Knicks · You guys have to face that NOBODY wants to come to ny right now (page 1)
This is why Tim got that contract. You have to overpay. Of course if another team did this same thing nobody would say a thin in the media, but the knicks do and we are the worst. GTFO. I wish the damn knicks players would call out how bad the stupid media is. It's annoying as hell.
What about the Lakers? They been losing for the last few years but nobody says anything. Why? Cause they are a storied franchise? I'm really tired of the negative press.
Now we are going to have to try to suck up and meet a guy like KPs demands in a few years and he's already shown a lot of diva qualities.
Overpaying for mediocre talents sets a horrible standard.
Just let Steve "heavy lifting" Mills works more his magic!
"NOBODY WANTS TO COME TO NY NOW!!!"
"WORST SEASON EVER!!"
Sinix wrote:This is why the Knicks should of traded KP for a ton of draft picks. No one wants to come? Fine let's draft a ton of guys that can't leave for 4-5 years no matter what.Yeah, lets unload our one potential franchise player for a bunch of guys because they will be trapped here for 4-5 years. Brilliant. When was the last time that strategy worked?Now we are going to have to try to suck up and meet a guy like KPs demands in a few years and he's already shown a lot of diva qualities.
Overpaying for mediocre talents sets a horrible standard.
Welpee wrote:Sinix wrote:This is why the Knicks should of traded KP for a ton of draft picks. No one wants to come? Fine let's draft a ton of guys that can't leave for 4-5 years no matter what.Yeah, lets upload our one potential franchise player for a bunch of guys because they will be trapped here for 4-5 years. Brilliant. When was the last time that strategy worked?Now we are going to have to try to suck up and meet a guy like KPs demands in a few years and he's already shown a lot of diva qualities.
Overpaying for mediocre talents sets a horrible standard.
Last year. Look how awesome the Kings look compared to a year ago.
The Wolves with Kevin Love.
Countless other examples.
Sinix wrote:This is why the Knicks should of traded KP for a ton of draft picks. No one wants to come? Fine let's draft a ton of guys that can't leave for 4-5 years no matter what.Now we are going to have to try to suck up and meet a guy like KPs demands in a few years and he's already shown a lot of diva qualities.
Overpaying for mediocre talents sets a horrible standard.
Ah, Goldilocks syndrom.
What we know of whatever conversations took place is the Knicks were asking a HIGH price for KP. Which is exactly what you advocate. This came straight from Ainge, the ONLY team with a ton of draft picks to trade. Most other teams are limited to 1 every 2 seasons.
Is a "ton" 2 under any definition?
Of course if they did trade him and didn't get back a "ton" of draft picks, fans like yourself would be the first to complain about that.
So the only way to appease these fans is to get it "just right", the EXACT amount they formulated in their head, based on IMAGINING what Danny Ainge would or wouldn't do.
Sinix wrote:Wolves haven't made the playoffs in 14 years and they basically traded Love for Wiggins, not a bunch of unknown draft picks like you advocated. Kings haven't made the playoffs in 11 years. Either of those teams traded one guy for a "ton of guys that can't leave for 4-5 years" and made the playoffs. So I'll ask again, when was the last time that strategy worked?Welpee wrote:Sinix wrote:This is why the Knicks should of traded KP for a ton of draft picks. No one wants to come? Fine let's draft a ton of guys that can't leave for 4-5 years no matter what.Yeah, lets upload our one potential franchise player for a bunch of guys because they will be trapped here for 4-5 years. Brilliant. When was the last time that strategy worked?Now we are going to have to try to suck up and meet a guy like KPs demands in a few years and he's already shown a lot of diva qualities.
Overpaying for mediocre talents sets a horrible standard.
Last year. Look how awesome the Kings look compared to a year ago.
The Wolves with Kevin Love.
Countless other examples.
Welpee wrote:Sinix wrote:Wolves haven't made the playoffs in 14 years and they basically traded Love for Wiggins, not a bunch of unknown draft picks like you advocated. Kings haven't made the playoffs in 11 years. Either of those teams traded one guy for a "ton of guys that can't leave for 4-5 years" and made the playoffs. So I'll ask again, when was the last time that strategy worked?Welpee wrote:Sinix wrote:This is why the Knicks should of traded KP for a ton of draft picks. No one wants to come? Fine let's draft a ton of guys that can't leave for 4-5 years no matter what.Yeah, lets upload our one potential franchise player for a bunch of guys because they will be trapped here for 4-5 years. Brilliant. When was the last time that strategy worked?Now we are going to have to try to suck up and meet a guy like KPs demands in a few years and he's already shown a lot of diva qualities.
Overpaying for mediocre talents sets a horrible standard.
Last year. Look how awesome the Kings look compared to a year ago.
The Wolves with Kevin Love.
Countless other examples.
Well those are the picks I'm talking about. That's what you get for KP, top draft picks. Wiggins types. All draft picks are unknown blue chips. Even Wiggins.
As of right now, that move is judged as a huge success and people overwhelmingly believe Wolves are one of the future top teams in position to take over after the Cav/Warrior regimes fall. There's really only 1 other team people put with the Wolves here and thats the 6ers.
Kings haven't made the playoffs but they have an upward trajectory and level of hope they haven't had in like a decade from being weighed down by the Boogie cancer. They look like a team on a rise instead of the dead end they were for years.
If you want to go back further there's examples literally every year. This isn't a new phenomenon.
For example, the Celtics unloaded their franchise players Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnet at the right point for a treasure trove of draft picks. I think that's worked out pretty well, don't you?
GustavBahler wrote:You overpay for all-stars, future stars, the last piece for a contender. Not when you're allegedly rebuilding. Not when the big contract you just gave out was for a relatively small sample size (copyright Bonn all rights reserved)
This is like a hybrid of Jerome James and Eddy Curry.
Sinix wrote:your bag of tricks has a hole in itGustavBahler wrote:You overpay for all-stars, future stars, the last piece for a contender. Not when you're allegedly rebuilding. Not when the big contract you just gave out was for a relatively small sample size (copyright Bonn all rights reserved)This is like a hybrid of Jerome James and Eddy Curry.
Sinix wrote:Dude, the Wolves are looked upon as a future good team because of Towns and Butler. People were NOT drooling over the Wolves until they made the Butler trade. Regarding Cousins, I have yet to hear anybody say Buddy Hield and Zach Collins are the future of the league. They're on an upward trajectory because they've been at the bottom for the past decade, where else is there to go?Welpee wrote:Sinix wrote:Wolves haven't made the playoffs in 14 years and they basically traded Love for Wiggins, not a bunch of unknown draft picks like you advocated. Kings haven't made the playoffs in 11 years. Either of those teams traded one guy for a "ton of guys that can't leave for 4-5 years" and made the playoffs. So I'll ask again, when was the last time that strategy worked?Welpee wrote:Sinix wrote:This is why the Knicks should of traded KP for a ton of draft picks. No one wants to come? Fine let's draft a ton of guys that can't leave for 4-5 years no matter what.Yeah, lets upload our one potential franchise player for a bunch of guys because they will be trapped here for 4-5 years. Brilliant. When was the last time that strategy worked?Now we are going to have to try to suck up and meet a guy like KPs demands in a few years and he's already shown a lot of diva qualities.
Overpaying for mediocre talents sets a horrible standard.
Last year. Look how awesome the Kings look compared to a year ago.
The Wolves with Kevin Love.
Countless other examples.
Well those are the picks I'm talking about. That's what you get for KP, top draft picks. Wiggins types. All draft picks are unknown blue chips. Even Wiggins.
As of right now, that move is judged as a huge success and people overwhelmingly believe Wolves are one of the future top teams in position to take over after the Cav/Warrior regimes fall. There's really only 1 other team people put with the Wolves here and thats the 6ers.
Kings haven't made the playoffs but they have an upward trajectory and level of hope they haven't had in like a decade from being weighed down by the Boogie cancer. They look like a team on a rise instead of the dead end they were for years.
If you want to go back further there's examples literally every year. This isn't a new phenomenon.
For example, the Celtics unloaded their franchise players Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnet at the right point for a treasure trove of draft picks. I think that's worked out pretty well, don't you?
And since you played the Garnett/Pierce card, now you're trying to equate trading three past their prime stars (throw Jason Terry in there too) to trading a 21 years old potential franchise player who hasn't even begun to hit his prime? Let me ask you this: if Ainge had a 21 year old Kevin Garnett would he trade him (alone) for all of the picks he acquired in that trade? The answer is H*LL NO! But that's pretty much what you want the Knicks to do.
KP4Life wrote:So we have to overpay. Our team hasn't won a damn chip since 1970. Taxes in NYC are insane. And we are currently rebuilding. Nobody wants to come here. Not even mentioning the politics and terrible media that spins everything we do negatively.This is why Tim got that contract. You have to overpay. Of course if another team did this same thing nobody would say a thin in the media, but the knicks do and we are the worst. GTFO. I wish the damn knicks players would call out how bad the stupid media is. It's annoying as hell.
What about the Lakers? They been losing for the last few years but nobody says anything. Why? Cause they are a storied franchise? I'm really tired of the negative press.
I agree with you the media is the main reason the Knicks aren't a destination for FAs. They simply don't want the headaches that come with NY media. The amount of scrutiny that a player has to go through simply not worth it.
Welpee wrote:Sinix wrote:Dude, the Wolves are looked upon as a future good team because of Towns and Butler. People were NOT drooling over the Wolves until they made the Butler trade. Regarding Cousins, I have yet to hear anybody say Buddy Hield and Zach Collins are the future of the league. They're on an upward trajectory because they've been at the bottom for the past decade, where else is there to go?Welpee wrote:Sinix wrote:Wolves haven't made the playoffs in 14 years and they basically traded Love for Wiggins, not a bunch of unknown draft picks like you advocated. Kings haven't made the playoffs in 11 years. Either of those teams traded one guy for a "ton of guys that can't leave for 4-5 years" and made the playoffs. So I'll ask again, when was the last time that strategy worked?Welpee wrote:Sinix wrote:This is why the Knicks should of traded KP for a ton of draft picks. No one wants to come? Fine let's draft a ton of guys that can't leave for 4-5 years no matter what.Yeah, lets upload our one potential franchise player for a bunch of guys because they will be trapped here for 4-5 years. Brilliant. When was the last time that strategy worked?Now we are going to have to try to suck up and meet a guy like KPs demands in a few years and he's already shown a lot of diva qualities.
Overpaying for mediocre talents sets a horrible standard.
Last year. Look how awesome the Kings look compared to a year ago.
The Wolves with Kevin Love.
Countless other examples.
Well those are the picks I'm talking about. That's what you get for KP, top draft picks. Wiggins types. All draft picks are unknown blue chips. Even Wiggins.
As of right now, that move is judged as a huge success and people overwhelmingly believe Wolves are one of the future top teams in position to take over after the Cav/Warrior regimes fall. There's really only 1 other team people put with the Wolves here and thats the 6ers.
Kings haven't made the playoffs but they have an upward trajectory and level of hope they haven't had in like a decade from being weighed down by the Boogie cancer. They look like a team on a rise instead of the dead end they were for years.
If you want to go back further there's examples literally every year. This isn't a new phenomenon.
For example, the Celtics unloaded their franchise players Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnet at the right point for a treasure trove of draft picks. I think that's worked out pretty well, don't you?
And since you played the Garnett/Pierce card, now you're trying to equate trading three past their prime stars (throw Jason Terry in there too) to trading a 21 years old potential franchise player who hasn't even begun to hit his prime? Let me ask you this: if Ainge had a 21 year old Kevin Garnett would he trade him (alone) for all of the picks he acquired in that trade? The answer is H*LL NO! But that's pretty much what you want the Knicks to do.
Stop moving the goal post. You wanted examples, I gave you them clearly. If you look enough, no two situations will ever be the exact same.
Lots of teams give up their main franchises pieces for younger rebuilding pieces. It's common practice. It often works perfectly. You made a bad point, get over it.
Sinix wrote:Welpee wrote:Sinix wrote:Dude, the Wolves are looked upon as a future good team because of Towns and Butler. People were NOT drooling over the Wolves until they made the Butler trade. Regarding Cousins, I have yet to hear anybody say Buddy Hield and Zach Collins are the future of the league. They're on an upward trajectory because they've been at the bottom for the past decade, where else is there to go?Welpee wrote:Sinix wrote:Wolves haven't made the playoffs in 14 years and they basically traded Love for Wiggins, not a bunch of unknown draft picks like you advocated. Kings haven't made the playoffs in 11 years. Either of those teams traded one guy for a "ton of guys that can't leave for 4-5 years" and made the playoffs. So I'll ask again, when was the last time that strategy worked?Welpee wrote:Sinix wrote:This is why the Knicks should of traded KP for a ton of draft picks. No one wants to come? Fine let's draft a ton of guys that can't leave for 4-5 years no matter what.Yeah, lets upload our one potential franchise player for a bunch of guys because they will be trapped here for 4-5 years. Brilliant. When was the last time that strategy worked?Now we are going to have to try to suck up and meet a guy like KPs demands in a few years and he's already shown a lot of diva qualities.
Overpaying for mediocre talents sets a horrible standard.
Last year. Look how awesome the Kings look compared to a year ago.
The Wolves with Kevin Love.
Countless other examples.
Well those are the picks I'm talking about. That's what you get for KP, top draft picks. Wiggins types. All draft picks are unknown blue chips. Even Wiggins.
As of right now, that move is judged as a huge success and people overwhelmingly believe Wolves are one of the future top teams in position to take over after the Cav/Warrior regimes fall. There's really only 1 other team people put with the Wolves here and thats the 6ers.
Kings haven't made the playoffs but they have an upward trajectory and level of hope they haven't had in like a decade from being weighed down by the Boogie cancer. They look like a team on a rise instead of the dead end they were for years.
If you want to go back further there's examples literally every year. This isn't a new phenomenon.
For example, the Celtics unloaded their franchise players Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnet at the right point for a treasure trove of draft picks. I think that's worked out pretty well, don't you?
And since you played the Garnett/Pierce card, now you're trying to equate trading three past their prime stars (throw Jason Terry in there too) to trading a 21 years old potential franchise player who hasn't even begun to hit his prime? Let me ask you this: if Ainge had a 21 year old Kevin Garnett would he trade him (alone) for all of the picks he acquired in that trade? The answer is H*LL NO! But that's pretty much what you want the Knicks to do.
Stop moving the goal post. You wanted examples, I gave you them clearly. If you look enough, no two situations will ever be the exact same.
Lots of teams give up their main franchises pieces for younger rebuilding pieces. It's common practice. It often works perfectly. You made a bad point, get over it.
Love-Cousins and KP are apples and oranges, and I think you know it (if you don't, yikes). But hey, that's two examples. There are "countless other examples".
Should be easy to name 2.
How you won't will be the interesting part.
Knickoftime wrote:Sinix wrote:Welpee wrote:Sinix wrote:Dude, the Wolves are looked upon as a future good team because of Towns and Butler. People were NOT drooling over the Wolves until they made the Butler trade. Regarding Cousins, I have yet to hear anybody say Buddy Hield and Zach Collins are the future of the league. They're on an upward trajectory because they've been at the bottom for the past decade, where else is there to go?Welpee wrote:Sinix wrote:Wolves haven't made the playoffs in 14 years and they basically traded Love for Wiggins, not a bunch of unknown draft picks like you advocated. Kings haven't made the playoffs in 11 years. Either of those teams traded one guy for a "ton of guys that can't leave for 4-5 years" and made the playoffs. So I'll ask again, when was the last time that strategy worked?Welpee wrote:Sinix wrote:This is why the Knicks should of traded KP for a ton of draft picks. No one wants to come? Fine let's draft a ton of guys that can't leave for 4-5 years no matter what.Yeah, lets upload our one potential franchise player for a bunch of guys because they will be trapped here for 4-5 years. Brilliant. When was the last time that strategy worked?Now we are going to have to try to suck up and meet a guy like KPs demands in a few years and he's already shown a lot of diva qualities.
Overpaying for mediocre talents sets a horrible standard.
Last year. Look how awesome the Kings look compared to a year ago.
The Wolves with Kevin Love.
Countless other examples.
Well those are the picks I'm talking about. That's what you get for KP, top draft picks. Wiggins types. All draft picks are unknown blue chips. Even Wiggins.
As of right now, that move is judged as a huge success and people overwhelmingly believe Wolves are one of the future top teams in position to take over after the Cav/Warrior regimes fall. There's really only 1 other team people put with the Wolves here and thats the 6ers.
Kings haven't made the playoffs but they have an upward trajectory and level of hope they haven't had in like a decade from being weighed down by the Boogie cancer. They look like a team on a rise instead of the dead end they were for years.
If you want to go back further there's examples literally every year. This isn't a new phenomenon.
For example, the Celtics unloaded their franchise players Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnet at the right point for a treasure trove of draft picks. I think that's worked out pretty well, don't you?
And since you played the Garnett/Pierce card, now you're trying to equate trading three past their prime stars (throw Jason Terry in there too) to trading a 21 years old potential franchise player who hasn't even begun to hit his prime? Let me ask you this: if Ainge had a 21 year old Kevin Garnett would he trade him (alone) for all of the picks he acquired in that trade? The answer is H*LL NO! But that's pretty much what you want the Knicks to do.
Stop moving the goal post. You wanted examples, I gave you them clearly. If you look enough, no two situations will ever be the exact same.
Lots of teams give up their main franchises pieces for younger rebuilding pieces. It's common practice. It often works perfectly. You made a bad point, get over it.
Love-Cousins and KP are apples and oranges, and I think you know it (if you don't, yikes). But hey, that's two examples. There are "countless other examples".
Should be easy to name 2.
How you won't will be the interesting part.
LOL
If the Nets had a mirror image of the Knicks and traded away KP for picks successfully you would find a way to tell me that's not the same either.
It was asked to provide examples of teams successfully trading away star players for draft picks.
Timberwolves traded Kevin Loves and got Wiggins and Bennett at that time who still had an outside shot at developing into something. Wiggins puts up better numbers than Love now and is leading a youth movement that is expected to rocket up in the rankings this season. Their incredible youth would suggest they are set up for a long time of good fortunes to come.
Last season- Demarcus Cousins for.... honestly the real only notable asset was the Pelicans first round pick. It looked like the Kings got absolutely hosed. I mean... Jesus Christ, Cousins averages over 25 pts a game on decent efficiency, 11 boards, a steal, a block and is 26 years old. This guy isn't a comparable asset to KP? They ended up relaying their picks. Exactly what I wanted the Knicks to do. Now they have a great looking youthful team. Some of them are going to work out. If a lot of them don't work out, they'll have the availability to tank and get a game changer in next draft. You get enough top 5 picks, eventually you will strike gold. But besides that, they look like they get hosed but now they draft great and get 3 amazing, ideal vets in Zach Randolph Vince Carter, and Hill. Those are the three guys you want teaching your young dudes.
C: Willie Cauley-Stein, Kosta Koufos
PF: Zach Randolph
SF: Garrett Temple, Justin Jackson
SG: Buddy Hield, Vince Carter, Malachi Richardson, Bogdan Bogdanovic
PG: De’Aaron Fox, George Hill
Why can't the Knicks pull this stuff?
Then I reached back for the big one. Franchise stars and cornerstones Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett for basically every Nets draft pick in existence. This is like an extreme example come to life. It's the gift that keeps on giving for Boston and the curse that keeps on crippling Brooklyn. Is it the same exact thing as trading a young KP for draft picks? No. But it is an example of trading a franchise cornerstone(which is always a moving on for a team) for draft picks. If a team would make a deal just as bad as the Nets did to the Celtics then it would be the same exact thing. There's no guarntee you can find some team as stupid as the Nets anymore though- The Knicks don't really have the option to trade with themselves.
Sinix wrote:Knickoftime wrote:Sinix wrote:Welpee wrote:Sinix wrote:Dude, the Wolves are looked upon as a future good team because of Towns and Butler. People were NOT drooling over the Wolves until they made the Butler trade. Regarding Cousins, I have yet to hear anybody say Buddy Hield and Zach Collins are the future of the league. They're on an upward trajectory because they've been at the bottom for the past decade, where else is there to go?Welpee wrote:Sinix wrote:Wolves haven't made the playoffs in 14 years and they basically traded Love for Wiggins, not a bunch of unknown draft picks like you advocated. Kings haven't made the playoffs in 11 years. Either of those teams traded one guy for a "ton of guys that can't leave for 4-5 years" and made the playoffs. So I'll ask again, when was the last time that strategy worked?Welpee wrote:Sinix wrote:This is why the Knicks should of traded KP for a ton of draft picks. No one wants to come? Fine let's draft a ton of guys that can't leave for 4-5 years no matter what.Yeah, lets upload our one potential franchise player for a bunch of guys because they will be trapped here for 4-5 years. Brilliant. When was the last time that strategy worked?Now we are going to have to try to suck up and meet a guy like KPs demands in a few years and he's already shown a lot of diva qualities.
Overpaying for mediocre talents sets a horrible standard.
Last year. Look how awesome the Kings look compared to a year ago.
The Wolves with Kevin Love.
Countless other examples.
Well those are the picks I'm talking about. That's what you get for KP, top draft picks. Wiggins types. All draft picks are unknown blue chips. Even Wiggins.
As of right now, that move is judged as a huge success and people overwhelmingly believe Wolves are one of the future top teams in position to take over after the Cav/Warrior regimes fall. There's really only 1 other team people put with the Wolves here and thats the 6ers.
Kings haven't made the playoffs but they have an upward trajectory and level of hope they haven't had in like a decade from being weighed down by the Boogie cancer. They look like a team on a rise instead of the dead end they were for years.
If you want to go back further there's examples literally every year. This isn't a new phenomenon.
For example, the Celtics unloaded their franchise players Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnet at the right point for a treasure trove of draft picks. I think that's worked out pretty well, don't you?
And since you played the Garnett/Pierce card, now you're trying to equate trading three past their prime stars (throw Jason Terry in there too) to trading a 21 years old potential franchise player who hasn't even begun to hit his prime? Let me ask you this: if Ainge had a 21 year old Kevin Garnett would he trade him (alone) for all of the picks he acquired in that trade? The answer is H*LL NO! But that's pretty much what you want the Knicks to do.
Stop moving the goal post. You wanted examples, I gave you them clearly. If you look enough, no two situations will ever be the exact same.
Lots of teams give up their main franchises pieces for younger rebuilding pieces. It's common practice. It often works perfectly. You made a bad point, get over it.
Love-Cousins and KP are apples and oranges, and I think you know it (if you don't, yikes). But hey, that's two examples. There are "countless other examples".
Should be easy to name 2.
How you won't will be the interesting part.
LOL
If the Nets had a mirror image of the Knicks and traded away KP for picks successfully you would find a way to tell me that's not the same either.
It was asked to provide examples of teams successfully trading away star players for draft picks.
Timberwolves traded Kevin Loves and got Wiggins and Bennett at that time who still had an outside shot at developing into something. Wiggins puts up better numbers than Love now and is leading a youth movement that is expected to rocket up in the rankings this season. Their incredible youth would suggest they are set up for a long time of good fortunes to come.
Last season- Demarcus Cousins for.... honestly the real only notable asset was the Pelicans first round pick. It looked like the Kings got absolutely hosed. I mean... Jesus Christ, Cousins averages over 25 pts a game on decent efficiency, 11 boards, a steal, a block and is 26 years old. This guy isn't a comparable asset to KP? They ended up relaying their picks. Exactly what I wanted the Knicks to do. Now they have a great looking youthful team. Some of them are going to work out. If a lot of them don't work out, they'll have the availability to tank and get a game changer in next draft. You get enough top 5 picks, eventually you will strike gold. But besides that, they look like they get hosed but now they draft great and get 3 amazing, ideal vets in Zach Randolph Vince Carter, and Hill. Those are the three guys you want teaching your young dudes.
C: Willie Cauley-Stein, Kosta Koufos
PF: Zach Randolph
SF: Garrett Temple, Justin Jackson
SG: Buddy Hield, Vince Carter, Malachi Richardson, Bogdan Bogdanovic
PG: De’Aaron Fox, George HillWhy can't the Knicks pull this stuff?
Then I reached back for the big one. Franchise stars and cornerstones Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett for basically every Nets draft pick in existence. This is like an extreme example come to life. It's the gift that keeps on giving for Boston and the curse that keeps on crippling Brooklyn. Is it the same exact thing as trading a young KP for draft picks? No. But it is an example of trading a franchise cornerstone(which is always a moving on for a team) for draft picks. If a team would make a deal just as bad as the Nets did to the Celtics then it would be the same exact thing. There's no guarntee you can find some team as stupid as the Nets anymore though- The Knicks don't really have the option to trade with themselves.
I think you've completely missed the point.
Love was a 25 year old 6 year vet when traded.
Cousins was a 26 year told in his 7th season.
Neither of the teams who traded them have any success to show but promise.
You really don't see the difference in trading a 6 year vs. a 2 year veteran?
Sacramento and Minnesota changed directions.
The Knicks giving up Porzingis for slightly younger, no less expensive players is spinning wheels.
Name a entering his 3rd year, 21 year-old former ROY runner-up who was successfully traded in the manner you suggest and THEN you may have something, which at the moment, you don't.
KP4Life wrote:So we have to overpay. Our team hasn't won a damn chip since 1970. Taxes in NYC are insane. And we are currently rebuilding. Nobody wants to come here. Not even mentioning the politics and terrible media that spins everything we do negatively.This is why Tim got that contract. You have to overpay. Of course if another team did this same thing nobody would say a thin in the media, but the knicks do and we are the worst. GTFO. I wish the damn knicks players would call out how bad the stupid media is. It's annoying as hell.
What about the Lakers? They been losing for the last few years but nobody says anything. Why? Cause they are a storied franchise? I'm really tired of the negative press.
yeah and we won't be able to pay them if they want to come here now either
Knickoftime wrote:Sinix wrote:Knickoftime wrote:Sinix wrote:Welpee wrote:Sinix wrote:Dude, the Wolves are looked upon as a future good team because of Towns and Butler. People were NOT drooling over the Wolves until they made the Butler trade. Regarding Cousins, I have yet to hear anybody say Buddy Hield and Zach Collins are the future of the league. They're on an upward trajectory because they've been at the bottom for the past decade, where else is there to go?Welpee wrote:Sinix wrote:Wolves haven't made the playoffs in 14 years and they basically traded Love for Wiggins, not a bunch of unknown draft picks like you advocated. Kings haven't made the playoffs in 11 years. Either of those teams traded one guy for a "ton of guys that can't leave for 4-5 years" and made the playoffs. So I'll ask again, when was the last time that strategy worked?Welpee wrote:Sinix wrote:This is why the Knicks should of traded KP for a ton of draft picks. No one wants to come? Fine let's draft a ton of guys that can't leave for 4-5 years no matter what.Yeah, lets upload our one potential franchise player for a bunch of guys because they will be trapped here for 4-5 years. Brilliant. When was the last time that strategy worked?Now we are going to have to try to suck up and meet a guy like KPs demands in a few years and he's already shown a lot of diva qualities.
Overpaying for mediocre talents sets a horrible standard.
Last year. Look how awesome the Kings look compared to a year ago.
The Wolves with Kevin Love.
Countless other examples.
Well those are the picks I'm talking about. That's what you get for KP, top draft picks. Wiggins types. All draft picks are unknown blue chips. Even Wiggins.
As of right now, that move is judged as a huge success and people overwhelmingly believe Wolves are one of the future top teams in position to take over after the Cav/Warrior regimes fall. There's really only 1 other team people put with the Wolves here and thats the 6ers.
Kings haven't made the playoffs but they have an upward trajectory and level of hope they haven't had in like a decade from being weighed down by the Boogie cancer. They look like a team on a rise instead of the dead end they were for years.
If you want to go back further there's examples literally every year. This isn't a new phenomenon.
For example, the Celtics unloaded their franchise players Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnet at the right point for a treasure trove of draft picks. I think that's worked out pretty well, don't you?
And since you played the Garnett/Pierce card, now you're trying to equate trading three past their prime stars (throw Jason Terry in there too) to trading a 21 years old potential franchise player who hasn't even begun to hit his prime? Let me ask you this: if Ainge had a 21 year old Kevin Garnett would he trade him (alone) for all of the picks he acquired in that trade? The answer is H*LL NO! But that's pretty much what you want the Knicks to do.
Stop moving the goal post. You wanted examples, I gave you them clearly. If you look enough, no two situations will ever be the exact same.
Lots of teams give up their main franchises pieces for younger rebuilding pieces. It's common practice. It often works perfectly. You made a bad point, get over it.
Love-Cousins and KP are apples and oranges, and I think you know it (if you don't, yikes). But hey, that's two examples. There are "countless other examples".
Should be easy to name 2.
How you won't will be the interesting part.
LOL
If the Nets had a mirror image of the Knicks and traded away KP for picks successfully you would find a way to tell me that's not the same either.
It was asked to provide examples of teams successfully trading away star players for draft picks.
Timberwolves traded Kevin Loves and got Wiggins and Bennett at that time who still had an outside shot at developing into something. Wiggins puts up better numbers than Love now and is leading a youth movement that is expected to rocket up in the rankings this season. Their incredible youth would suggest they are set up for a long time of good fortunes to come.
Last season- Demarcus Cousins for.... honestly the real only notable asset was the Pelicans first round pick. It looked like the Kings got absolutely hosed. I mean... Jesus Christ, Cousins averages over 25 pts a game on decent efficiency, 11 boards, a steal, a block and is 26 years old. This guy isn't a comparable asset to KP? They ended up relaying their picks. Exactly what I wanted the Knicks to do. Now they have a great looking youthful team. Some of them are going to work out. If a lot of them don't work out, they'll have the availability to tank and get a game changer in next draft. You get enough top 5 picks, eventually you will strike gold. But besides that, they look like they get hosed but now they draft great and get 3 amazing, ideal vets in Zach Randolph Vince Carter, and Hill. Those are the three guys you want teaching your young dudes.
C: Willie Cauley-Stein, Kosta Koufos
PF: Zach Randolph
SF: Garrett Temple, Justin Jackson
SG: Buddy Hield, Vince Carter, Malachi Richardson, Bogdan Bogdanovic
PG: De’Aaron Fox, George HillWhy can't the Knicks pull this stuff?
Then I reached back for the big one. Franchise stars and cornerstones Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett for basically every Nets draft pick in existence. This is like an extreme example come to life. It's the gift that keeps on giving for Boston and the curse that keeps on crippling Brooklyn. Is it the same exact thing as trading a young KP for draft picks? No. But it is an example of trading a franchise cornerstone(which is always a moving on for a team) for draft picks. If a team would make a deal just as bad as the Nets did to the Celtics then it would be the same exact thing. There's no guarntee you can find some team as stupid as the Nets anymore though- The Knicks don't really have the option to trade with themselves.
I think you've completely missed the point.
Love was a 25 year old 6 year vet when traded.
Cousins was a 26 year told in his 7th season.
Neither of the teams who traded them have any success to show but promise.
You really don't see the difference in trading a 6 year vs. a 2 year veteran?
Sacramento and Minnesota changed directions.
The Knicks giving up Porzingis for slightly younger, no less expensive players is spinning wheels.
Name a entering his 3rd year, 21 year-old former ROY runner-up who was successfully traded in the manner you suggest and THEN you may have something, which at the moment, you don't.
It's all relative. There's always a trade out there that is worth it. KP is worth the next 10 Brooklyn 1st round picks. If there fits a need to trade him then you look into it. If you want to fill the team out with rookies that you have control over for 4-5 years, then that's a good plan. I really like the Kings approach. I don't like overpaying for Tim Hardaways and watching Melo's ugly game.