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Kuz 3mm
Courtney Lee 13mm
2019 1st rd pick restricted to 15(until conveyance) and a 2020 2nd round pic

to Phoenix
For
Bledsoe 14.5mm (PG)
Derick Jones Jr 1mm(Kuz replacement)

BRIGGS wrote:Kuz 3mm
Courtney Lee 13mm
2019 1st rd pick restricted to 15(until conveyance) and a 2020 2nd round pic

to Phoenix
For
Bledsoe 14.5mm (PG)
Derick Jones Jr 1mm(Kuz replacement)

Can we get Josh Jackson in there somehow?

No pick included and swaping Kuz for Lance Thomas looks a lil more appealing but not convinced bledaoe is the right fit either. He's not the PG we want Frank to be plus he is injury. Rondo makes the most sense. Actually made the most sense since that ship sailed w the Baker signing. Flipping knicks should have went all in w Frank and chose Rondo over Baker. Probably didnt have to choose since i imagine Baker had zero leverage and wouldbhave had to take what knicks offered. Seriously after 20+ games who would have given Baker a major contract? Eas undrafted last year and honsetly his stats didnt stand out.

frenchy00 wrote:No pick included and swaping Kuz for Lance Thomas looks a lil more appealing but not convinced bledaoe is the right fit either. He's not the PG we want Frank to be plus he is injury. Rondo makes the most sense. Actually made the most sense since that ship sailed w the Baker signing. Flipping knicks should have went all in w Frank and chose Rondo over Baker. Probably didnt have to choose since i imagine Baker had zero leverage and wouldbhave had to take what knicks offered. Seriously after 20+ games who would have given Baker a major contract? Eas undrafted last year and honsetly his stats didnt stand out.

I have a feeling that Frank is not on the physical level of Smith Fultz Mitchell ( they can all start in the nba now) and were going yo have to accept we need a good pro pg to even compete. With Bledsoe we could go 3 guards at once and he gives us a physical presence on D we do not have right now

Phoenix gets a nice package back including two picks and opens up pg for Ulis to start. They can also flip Lee at deadline

Is this really a 5th 'trade for bledsoe' thread?

nyk4ever wrote:Is this really a 5th 'trade for bledsoe' thread?

Could be worse.

Could be the first Melo to Detroit thread.

BRIGGS wrote:Kuz 3mm
Courtney Lee 13mm
2019 1st rd pick restricted to 15(until conveyance) and a 2020 2nd round pic

to Phoenix
For
Bledsoe 14.5mm (PG)
Derick Jones Jr 1mm(Kuz replacement)

You're obsessed with trading first rounders. Bledsoe I don't mind but he's injury prone (games played the last few years: 40, 76, 43, 81, 31, 66), messes up draft positioning too. I'd consider landing him for Lee, but definitely not a pick.

BRIGGS wrote:Kuz 3mm
Courtney Lee 13mm
2019 1st rd pick restricted to 15(until conveyance) and a 2020 2nd round pic

to Phoenix
For
Bledsoe 14.5mm (PG)
Derick Jones Jr 1mm(Kuz replacement)

why would PHO give up their only starting PG and add yet another SG/SF? They've got too many of those as it is

smackeddog wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Kuz 3mm
Courtney Lee 13mm
2019 1st rd pick restricted to 15(until conveyance) and a 2020 2nd round pic

to Phoenix
For
Bledsoe 14.5mm (PG)
Derick Jones Jr 1mm(Kuz replacement)

You're obsessed with trading first rounders. Bledsoe I don't mind but he's injury prone (games played the last few years: 40, 76, 43, 81, 31, 66), messes up draft positioning too. I'd consider landing him for Lee, but definitely not a pick.

A draft pick conveyed after 15 means you made the playoffs. The odds of a draft pick past 15 being better than Bledsoe is not realistic.

That also seems like a lot for us to give up for basically Bledsoe. I would pass on that.

BRIGGS wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Kuz 3mm
Courtney Lee 13mm
2019 1st rd pick restricted to 15(until conveyance) and a 2020 2nd round pic

to Phoenix
For
Bledsoe 14.5mm (PG)
Derick Jones Jr 1mm(Kuz replacement)

You're obsessed with trading first rounders. Bledsoe I don't mind but he's injury prone (games played the last few years: 40, 76, 43, 81, 31, 66), messes up draft positioning too. I'd consider landing him for Lee, but definitely not a pick.

A draft pick conveyed after 15 means you made the playoffs. The odds of a draft pick past 15 being better than Bledsoe is not realistic.

Sounds like an argument to keep Bledsoe.

Knickoftime wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:Is this really a 5th 'trade for bledsoe' thread?

Could be worse.

Could be the first Melo to Detroit thread.

oki see what u did there and i like it

Allanfan20 wrote:That also seems like a lot for us to give up for basically Bledsoe. I would pass on that.

I'm a fan of Derrick Jones who I do not believe The Suns need now-- so throwing in two picks doesn't bother me as he is essentially a pick

Maybe a deal would work easier in a three way scenario where Lee goes elsewhere
I do not mind using restricted picks-- the whole gig on picks is to improve the team. It's when teams get into little or no protection and draft flipping that's leads to immense issue.
Right now we have no Pg 2 starting Sg a f who is making 25 mm who doesn't want to be here. Two bigs who don't play very well together. Some secondary lower caliber role players thomas Kuz etc a frail 18 to pg and 2 nd round picks. We need to invest in a pro pg if a deal can be made in reasonable fashion. We are horribly balanced right now with chemistry and drama issueS Not how to run a professional organization

BRIGGS wrote:Kuz 3mm
Courtney Lee 13mm
2019 1st rd pick restricted to 15(until conveyance) and a 2020 2nd round pic

to Phoenix
For
Bledsoe 14.5mm (PG)
Derick Jones Jr 1mm(Kuz replacement)

Use "The Mirror Test" Briggs

If you switched everything from the Suns and Knicks, except the team name, would you want your beloved Knicks to trade Eric Bledsoe, probably better than 2/3rds of the starting PGS in the entire league right now, on what has become a value contract against current market forces, for a future 1st round pick that is likely to not move the needle for the franchise, only to put the keys in the hands of Brandon Knight ( horrific year last year, bad contract) and shade the minutes of your franchise player, Devin Booker, and your new rookie phenom, Josh Jackson, to give minutes to an aging player who was never as a good as Bledsoe to start in the first place.

If you would not make this trade, why should the current Suns?

Briggs, trade scenarios that have a chance of really happening have to come off, perception wise, as a "Win/Win" Sometimes trades end up a "Win/Lose", but they cannot be relied on to happen. They are actually pretty infrequent. They might end up Win/Lose over time, but likely appeared of some market based sense during the actual trade timeline itself.

If you used this mirror test, and you were responsible for this trade, could you justify this trade to the local sports media? To your existing roster? To your coaches? To your front office? To the sponsors who pay for advertising in your arena? To those who buy commercial time from you?

Can the Knicks get Bledsoe? Not without a trade involving either Zinger or Hernangomez. Maybe next year the Suns will move him for a pick.

The Knicks are more likely to get Knight as a bad contract in a multi-team deal to move Melo ( i.e they'd rather have Knights bad contract than Ryan Anderson's bad contract. But no reasonable team would see Anderson as less valuable than Knight right now)

You have to legitimately ask yourself why the non Knicks team might do a deal you propose. And then look at the trade offs involved for the non Knicks team. Until you do, you will never understand the NBA marketplace as a whole.

Knickoftime wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:Is this really a 5th 'trade for bledsoe' thread?

Could be worse.

Could be the first Melo to Detroit thread.

yeah that melo to Detroit idea was really bad, the constant Bledsoe threads are dumb. one thread is enough, leave it all in there.

BRIGGS wrote:

frenchy00 wrote:No pick included and swaping Kuz for Lance Thomas looks a lil more appealing but not convinced bledaoe is the right fit either. He's not the PG we want Frank to be plus he is injury. Rondo makes the most sense. Actually made the most sense since that ship sailed w the Baker signing. Flipping knicks should have went all in w Frank and chose Rondo over Baker. Probably didnt have to choose since i imagine Baker had zero leverage and wouldbhave had to take what knicks offered. Seriously after 20+ games who would have given Baker a major contract? Eas undrafted last year and honsetly his stats didnt stand out.

I have a feeling that Frank is not on the physical level of Smith Fultz Mitchell ( they can all start in the nba now) and were going yo have to accept we need a good pro pg to even compete. With Bledsoe we could go 3 guards at once and he gives us a physical presence on D we do not have right now

Phoenix gets a nice package back including two picks and opens up pg for Ulis to start. They can also flip Lee at deadline

i would do it would Phoneix