Off Topic · Off Topic: six months later, do people who voted for Trump still support this guy? (page 44)

This can be applied.

newyorknewyork wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:To me, I think this is the bigger issue that our country faces, not just kneeling in protest of police brutality, but giving slot of these kids in poor neighborhoods a better normal. Whether it's folks growing up in a trailer park or in the inner cities (and this isn't just limited to black and white, but that's predominantly what anyone wants to talk about) it always comes down to parenting and I'm sorry but I think when you look at the issues in the inner cities with kids growing up without fathers, or no parents at all, it doesn't even give most of these kids a chance to begin with.

I don't think many people would disagree with that sentiment. I think a way to maybe look at it some people don't one what's occurring between police and black youths as being a part of anyone's normal.

This is more of an epidemic than the police issues to me. These kids need a better start in life and it begins with their parents.

Which began with their parents, and their parents, and their parents, of course. Be wary of anyone who refuses to acknowledge historical factors in this discussion. It's the height of ignorance to try to remove it from the equation.

If the "solution" to this problem is for a singular generation who grew up and exist in this environment to just change their culture overnight, then the ignorant people proposing this are so ignorant they don't realize they've discovered the solution to every problem ever.

Opioid crisis: Just be better.

Insurance fraud and white-collar crime that takes money out of all of our pockets: Just be better.

Domestic violence: Just be better.

Child abuse: Just be better.

There's no problem that can't and shouldn't be solved the same way that some idiots think people from historically poor communities should just take responsibility for themselves and take advantage of the opportunity this great country provides anyone.

There is always the culture loop to fall on.

African Americans need to emphasize parenting and education more. Okay so why don't they? Because of the culture. Okay so why is the culture the way it is? Because African Americans need to emphasize parenting and education more.

Freedom of choice does not mean the right choices will be made.
And the choices which be made defined what this people life will be.
If culture is the downward spiral it is bound to disappear.
The history is not kind to anyone - at the end every culture get what it deserved.
Cultures which breed violence and hatred depopulate and disappear, cultures which collect and protect intellectual and moral wealth persevere and last forever.
Nothing is new under the sun.

newyorknewyork wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:To me, I think this is the bigger issue that our country faces, not just kneeling in protest of police brutality, but giving slot of these kids in poor neighborhoods a better normal. Whether it's folks growing up in a trailer park or in the inner cities (and this isn't just limited to black and white, but that's predominantly what anyone wants to talk about) it always comes down to parenting and I'm sorry but I think when you look at the issues in the inner cities with kids growing up without fathers, or no parents at all, it doesn't even give most of these kids a chance to begin with.

I don't think many people would disagree with that sentiment. I think a way to maybe look at it some people don't one what's occurring between police and black youths as being a part of anyone's normal.

This is more of an epidemic than the police issues to me. These kids need a better start in life and it begins with their parents.

Which began with their parents, and their parents, and their parents, of course. Be wary of anyone who refuses to acknowledge historical factors in this discussion. It's the height of ignorance to try to remove it from the equation.

If the "solution" to this problem is for a singular generation who grew up and exist in this environment to just change their culture overnight, then the ignorant people proposing this are so ignorant they don't realize they've discovered the solution to every problem ever.

Opioid crisis: Just be better.

Insurance fraud and white-collar crime that takes money out of all of our pockets: Just be better.

Domestic violence: Just be better.

Child abuse: Just be better.

There's no problem that can't and shouldn't be solved the same way that some idiots think people from historically poor communities should just take responsibility for themselves and take advantage of the opportunity this great country provides anyone.

There is always the culture loop to fall on.

African Americans need to emphasize parenting and education more. Okay so why don't they? Because of the culture. Okay so why is the culture the way it is? Because African Americans need to emphasize parenting and education more.

There is nothing to fall on. Culture being sticky is a fact, not a view. Absolutely no one would argue personal accountability and a speedy change are desirable here. I'm speaking specifically to people who outright deny it's a significant factor.

We speak in sympathetic and nearly revered tones about the difficulties facing our manufacturing jobs force, the people hit hard in the Rust Belt. It would be silly for me to suggest that all these people and their children should just become engineers and programmers, problem solved.

Knickoftime wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:To me, I think this is the bigger issue that our country faces, not just kneeling in protest of police brutality, but giving slot of these kids in poor neighborhoods a better normal. Whether it's folks growing up in a trailer park or in the inner cities (and this isn't just limited to black and white, but that's predominantly what anyone wants to talk about) it always comes down to parenting and I'm sorry but I think when you look at the issues in the inner cities with kids growing up without fathers, or no parents at all, it doesn't even give most of these kids a chance to begin with.

I don't think many people would disagree with that sentiment. I think a way to maybe look at it some people don't one what's occurring between police and black youths as being a part of anyone's normal.

This is more of an epidemic than the police issues to me. These kids need a better start in life and it begins with their parents.

Which began with their parents, and their parents, and their parents, of course. Be wary of anyone who refuses to acknowledge historical factors in this discussion. It's the height of ignorance to try to remove it from the equation.

If the "solution" to this problem is for a singular generation who grew up and exist in this environment to just change their culture overnight, then the ignorant people proposing this are so ignorant they don't realize they've discovered the solution to every problem ever.

Opioid crisis: Just be better.

Insurance fraud and white-collar crime that takes money out of all of our pockets: Just be better.

Domestic violence: Just be better.

Child abuse: Just be better.

There's no problem that can't and shouldn't be solved the same way that some idiots think people from historically poor communities should just take responsibility for themselves and take advantage of the opportunity this great country provides anyone.

There is always the culture loop to fall on.

African Americans need to emphasize parenting and education more. Okay so why don't they? Because of the culture. Okay so why is the culture the way it is? Because African Americans need to emphasize parenting and education more.

There is nothing to fall on. Culture being sticky is a fact, not a view. Absolutely no one would argue personal accountability and a speedy change are desirable here. I'm speaking specifically to people who outright deny it's a significant factor.

We speak in sympathetic and nearly revered tones about the difficulties facing our manufacturing jobs force, the people hit hard in the Rust Belt. It would be silly for me to suggest that all these people and their children should just become engineers and programmers, problem solved.

I was agreeing with you. The culture loop have been the arguments utilized which specifically ignore a certain role and actions that have happen to create this environment. As its not convienent to acknowledge it.

arkrud wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:To me, I think this is the bigger issue that our country faces, not just kneeling in protest of police brutality, but giving slot of these kids in poor neighborhoods a better normal. Whether it's folks growing up in a trailer park or in the inner cities (and this isn't just limited to black and white, but that's predominantly what anyone wants to talk about) it always comes down to parenting and I'm sorry but I think when you look at the issues in the inner cities with kids growing up without fathers, or no parents at all, it doesn't even give most of these kids a chance to begin with.

I don't think many people would disagree with that sentiment. I think a way to maybe look at it some people don't one what's occurring between police and black youths as being a part of anyone's normal.

This is more of an epidemic than the police issues to me. These kids need a better start in life and it begins with their parents.

Which began with their parents, and their parents, and their parents, of course. Be wary of anyone who refuses to acknowledge historical factors in this discussion. It's the height of ignorance to try to remove it from the equation.

If the "solution" to this problem is for a singular generation who grew up and exist in this environment to just change their culture overnight, then the ignorant people proposing this are so ignorant they don't realize they've discovered the solution to every problem ever.

Opioid crisis: Just be better.

Insurance fraud and white-collar crime that takes money out of all of our pockets: Just be better.

Domestic violence: Just be better.

Child abuse: Just be better.

There's no problem that can't and shouldn't be solved the same way that some idiots think people from historically poor communities should just take responsibility for themselves and take advantage of the opportunity this great country provides anyone.

There is always the culture loop to fall on.

African Americans need to emphasize parenting and education more. Okay so why don't they? Because of the culture. Okay so why is the culture the way it is? Because African Americans need to emphasize parenting and education more.

Freedom of choice does not mean the right choices will be made.
And the choices which be made defined what this people life will be.
If culture is the downward spiral it is bound to disappear.
The history is not kind to anyone - at the end every culture get what it deserved.
Cultures which breed violence and hatred depopulate and disappear, cultures which collect and protect intellectual and moral wealth persevere and last forever.
Nothing is new under the sun.

Directly post slavery. There was no black on black gang drug violence. There was no hip hop. This culture was not established yet. You believe that African Americans have developed this culture due to their own poor choices?

Knickoftime wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:To me, I think this is the bigger issue that our country faces, not just kneeling in protest of police brutality, but giving slot of these kids in poor neighborhoods a better normal. Whether it's folks growing up in a trailer park or in the inner cities (and this isn't just limited to black and white, but that's predominantly what anyone wants to talk about) it always comes down to parenting and I'm sorry but I think when you look at the issues in the inner cities with kids growing up without fathers, or no parents at all, it doesn't even give most of these kids a chance to begin with.

I don't think many people would disagree with that sentiment. I think a way to maybe look at it some people don't one what's occurring between police and black youths as being a part of anyone's normal.

This is more of an epidemic than the police issues to me. These kids need a better start in life and it begins with their parents.

Which began with their parents, and their parents, and their parents, of course. Be wary of anyone who refuses to acknowledge historical factors in this discussion. It's the height of ignorance to try to remove it from the equation.

If the "solution" to this problem is for a singular generation who grew up and exist in this environment to just change their culture overnight, then the ignorant people proposing this are so ignorant they don't realize they've discovered the solution to every problem ever.

Opioid crisis: Just be better.

Insurance fraud and white-collar crime that takes money out of all of our pockets: Just be better.

Domestic violence: Just be better.

Child abuse: Just be better.

There's no problem that can't and shouldn't be solved the same way that some idiots think people from historically poor communities should just take responsibility for themselves and take advantage of the opportunity this great country provides anyone.

I agree with everything you've said but I keep coming back to the same problem, which is the heart of the issue for me and I definitely can sympathize with the vicious cycle that this runs generation to generation. But the problem is we all know this is the issue but where are the protests and the pleas for this to change? Where's a guy like al sharpton or Jesse Jackson crying out against this stuff? How come Obama didn't do more in this field? I respect the hell out of Barack Obama achieving the presidency but I feel like he could have done so much more. I don't agree with a lot of obamas legislation and views but I respect the hell out of him. I just think he came up way short in trying to solve this issue. In no way am I trying to side with Briggs but I can understand where he's coming from when he talks about the inner cities and how Obama failed African Americans. He had such a great platform to try and clean up the inner cities and help end the vicious cycle that goes on but I feel like he didn't even turn over a stone.

It just seems to me like it's always easy to fall back on racism as the thing to protest against even though there are issues right in front of us that need just as much attention, if not more. In no way do I think we live in a perfect society, because I know we don't and there are plenty of racist dbags out there, but I feel like focusing more efforts to help educate and clean up our inner cities would go a long way to not helping just African Americans but society as a whole.

This is just one middle class white guys (lol) view but I hope nothing I'm saying is taken the wrong way or found to be ignorant

Knickoftime wrote:There is nothing to fall on. Culture being sticky is a fact, not a view. Absolutely no one would argue personal accountability and a speedy change are desirable here. I'm speaking specifically to people who outright deny it's a significant factor.

We speak in sympathetic and nearly revered tones about the difficulties facing our manufacturing jobs force, the people hit hard in the Rust Belt. It would be silly for me to suggest that all these people and their children should just become engineers and programmers, problem solved.

yet this election was purely based on how these people were ignored. but these people were never ENSLAVED. these people were ALWAYS allowed to vote.

i'm still not sure how one can blindly say all you have to do is work hard and you can achieve completely ignoring the decades/centuries of psychological damage to an entire race.

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trump looking out for the folks that voted for him lol.

hoodwinked and conned by a con-man.

there is absolutely no form of law he is trying to pass to help "the rust belt" folks. and yet they still stand behind him.

nyk4ever wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:To me, I think this is the bigger issue that our country faces, not just kneeling in protest of police brutality, but giving slot of these kids in poor neighborhoods a better normal. Whether it's folks growing up in a trailer park or in the inner cities (and this isn't just limited to black and white, but that's predominantly what anyone wants to talk about) it always comes down to parenting and I'm sorry but I think when you look at the issues in the inner cities with kids growing up without fathers, or no parents at all, it doesn't even give most of these kids a chance to begin with.

I don't think many people would disagree with that sentiment. I think a way to maybe look at it some people don't one what's occurring between police and black youths as being a part of anyone's normal.

This is more of an epidemic than the police issues to me. These kids need a better start in life and it begins with their parents.

Which began with their parents, and their parents, and their parents, of course. Be wary of anyone who refuses to acknowledge historical factors in this discussion. It's the height of ignorance to try to remove it from the equation.

If the "solution" to this problem is for a singular generation who grew up and exist in this environment to just change their culture overnight, then the ignorant people proposing this are so ignorant they don't realize they've discovered the solution to every problem ever.

Opioid crisis: Just be better.

Insurance fraud and white-collar crime that takes money out of all of our pockets: Just be better.

Domestic violence: Just be better.

Child abuse: Just be better.

There's no problem that can't and shouldn't be solved the same way that some idiots think people from historically poor communities should just take responsibility for themselves and take advantage of the opportunity this great country provides anyone.

I agree with everything you've said but I keep coming back to the same problem, which is the heart of the issue for me and I definitely can sympathize with the vicious cycle that this runs generation to generation. But the problem is we all know this is the issue but where are the protests and the pleas for this to change? Where's a guy like al sharpton or Jesse Jackson crying out against this stuff? How come Obama didn't do more in this field? I respect the hell out of Barack Obama achieving the presidency but I feel like he could have done so much more. I don't agree with a lot of obamas legislation and views but I respect the hell out of him. I just think he came up way short in trying to solve this issue. In no way am I trying to side with Briggs but I can understand where he's coming from when he talks about the inner cities and how Obama failed African Americans. He had such a great platform to try and clean up the inner cities and help end the vicious cycle that goes on but I feel like he didn't even turn over a stone.

It just seems to me like it's always easy to fall back on racism as the thing to protest against even though there are issues right in front of us that need just as much attention, if not more. In no way do I think we live in a perfect society, because I know we don't and there are plenty of racist dbags out there, but I feel like focusing more efforts to help educate and clean up our inner cities would go a long way to not helping just African Americans but society as a whole.

This is just one middle class white guys (lol) view but I hope nothing I'm saying is taken the wrong way or found to be ignorant

This is intellectually dishonest. There's NOTHING the Republicans would've let Obama pass that specifically helped the AA Community at the level necessary to actually solve the major issues that exist.

We're talking about the kind of investment that has NEVER happened. Investments in Education, social programs, eradication of Food Deserts, employment, Gun control, the drug war. Changes in the Judicial system and Policing. Poverty is the largest problem along with education.

nixluva wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:To me, I think this is the bigger issue that our country faces, not just kneeling in protest of police brutality, but giving slot of these kids in poor neighborhoods a better normal. Whether it's folks growing up in a trailer park or in the inner cities (and this isn't just limited to black and white, but that's predominantly what anyone wants to talk about) it always comes down to parenting and I'm sorry but I think when you look at the issues in the inner cities with kids growing up without fathers, or no parents at all, it doesn't even give most of these kids a chance to begin with.

I don't think many people would disagree with that sentiment. I think a way to maybe look at it some people don't one what's occurring between police and black youths as being a part of anyone's normal.

This is more of an epidemic than the police issues to me. These kids need a better start in life and it begins with their parents.

Which began with their parents, and their parents, and their parents, of course. Be wary of anyone who refuses to acknowledge historical factors in this discussion. It's the height of ignorance to try to remove it from the equation.

If the "solution" to this problem is for a singular generation who grew up and exist in this environment to just change their culture overnight, then the ignorant people proposing this are so ignorant they don't realize they've discovered the solution to every problem ever.

Opioid crisis: Just be better.

Insurance fraud and white-collar crime that takes money out of all of our pockets: Just be better.

Domestic violence: Just be better.

Child abuse: Just be better.

There's no problem that can't and shouldn't be solved the same way that some idiots think people from historically poor communities should just take responsibility for themselves and take advantage of the opportunity this great country provides anyone.

I agree with everything you've said but I keep coming back to the same problem, which is the heart of the issue for me and I definitely can sympathize with the vicious cycle that this runs generation to generation. But the problem is we all know this is the issue but where are the protests and the pleas for this to change? Where's a guy like al sharpton or Jesse Jackson crying out against this stuff? How come Obama didn't do more in this field? I respect the hell out of Barack Obama achieving the presidency but I feel like he could have done so much more. I don't agree with a lot of obamas legislation and views but I respect the hell out of him. I just think he came up way short in trying to solve this issue. In no way am I trying to side with Briggs but I can understand where he's coming from when he talks about the inner cities and how Obama failed African Americans. He had such a great platform to try and clean up the inner cities and help end the vicious cycle that goes on but I feel like he didn't even turn over a stone.

It just seems to me like it's always easy to fall back on racism as the thing to protest against even though there are issues right in front of us that need just as much attention, if not more. In no way do I think we live in a perfect society, because I know we don't and there are plenty of racist dbags out there, but I feel like focusing more efforts to help educate and clean up our inner cities would go a long way to not helping just African Americans but society as a whole.

This is just one middle class white guys (lol) view but I hope nothing I'm saying is taken the wrong way or found to be ignorant

This is intellectually dishonest. There's NOTHING the Republicans would've let Obama pass that specifically helped the AA Community at the level necessary to actually solve the major issues that exist.

We're talking about the kind of investment that has NEVER happened. Investments in Education, social programs, eradication of Food Deserts, employment, Gun control, the drug war. Changes in the Judicial system and Policing. Poverty is the largest problem along with education.

Thanks for the response nixluva but I'd rather hear from some of the other posters participating in this discussion. They seem to have a better grasp on things and dont seem to incite things the way that you do. Thanks.

nyk4ever wrote:

nixluva wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:To me, I think this is the bigger issue that our country faces, not just kneeling in protest of police brutality, but giving slot of these kids in poor neighborhoods a better normal. Whether it's folks growing up in a trailer park or in the inner cities (and this isn't just limited to black and white, but that's predominantly what anyone wants to talk about) it always comes down to parenting and I'm sorry but I think when you look at the issues in the inner cities with kids growing up without fathers, or no parents at all, it doesn't even give most of these kids a chance to begin with.

I don't think many people would disagree with that sentiment. I think a way to maybe look at it some people don't one what's occurring between police and black youths as being a part of anyone's normal.

This is more of an epidemic than the police issues to me. These kids need a better start in life and it begins with their parents.

Which began with their parents, and their parents, and their parents, of course. Be wary of anyone who refuses to acknowledge historical factors in this discussion. It's the height of ignorance to try to remove it from the equation.

If the "solution" to this problem is for a singular generation who grew up and exist in this environment to just change their culture overnight, then the ignorant people proposing this are so ignorant they don't realize they've discovered the solution to every problem ever.

Opioid crisis: Just be better.

Insurance fraud and white-collar crime that takes money out of all of our pockets: Just be better.

Domestic violence: Just be better.

Child abuse: Just be better.

There's no problem that can't and shouldn't be solved the same way that some idiots think people from historically poor communities should just take responsibility for themselves and take advantage of the opportunity this great country provides anyone.

I agree with everything you've said but I keep coming back to the same problem, which is the heart of the issue for me and I definitely can sympathize with the vicious cycle that this runs generation to generation. But the problem is we all know this is the issue but where are the protests and the pleas for this to change? Where's a guy like al sharpton or Jesse Jackson crying out against this stuff? How come Obama didn't do more in this field? I respect the hell out of Barack Obama achieving the presidency but I feel like he could have done so much more. I don't agree with a lot of obamas legislation and views but I respect the hell out of him. I just think he came up way short in trying to solve this issue. In no way am I trying to side with Briggs but I can understand where he's coming from when he talks about the inner cities and how Obama failed African Americans. He had such a great platform to try and clean up the inner cities and help end the vicious cycle that goes on but I feel like he didn't even turn over a stone.

It just seems to me like it's always easy to fall back on racism as the thing to protest against even though there are issues right in front of us that need just as much attention, if not more. In no way do I think we live in a perfect society, because I know we don't and there are plenty of racist dbags out there, but I feel like focusing more efforts to help educate and clean up our inner cities would go a long way to not helping just African Americans but society as a whole.

This is just one middle class white guys (lol) view but I hope nothing I'm saying is taken the wrong way or found to be ignorant

This is intellectually dishonest. There's NOTHING the Republicans would've let Obama pass that specifically helped the AA Community at the level necessary to actually solve the major issues that exist.

We're talking about the kind of investment that has NEVER happened. Investments in Education, social programs, eradication of Food Deserts, employment, Gun control, the drug war. Changes in the Judicial system and Policing. Poverty is the largest problem along with education.

Thanks for the response nixluva but I'd rather hear from some of the other posters participating in this discussion. They seem to have a better grasp on things and dont seem to incite things the way that you do. Thanks.

You can do whatever you want, including running and hiding from the truth. I'm speaking from lived experience as an AA but you think that's not a having a GRASP on things. Also in what way did I "incite things"? I speak the truth and support it with facts!

If you post something that is Intellectually Dishonest then I'm going to call you on it. Put your big boy pants on.

newyorknewyork wrote:

arkrud wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:To me, I think this is the bigger issue that our country faces, not just kneeling in protest of police brutality, but giving slot of these kids in poor neighborhoods a better normal. Whether it's folks growing up in a trailer park or in the inner cities (and this isn't just limited to black and white, but that's predominantly what anyone wants to talk about) it always comes down to parenting and I'm sorry but I think when you look at the issues in the inner cities with kids growing up without fathers, or no parents at all, it doesn't even give most of these kids a chance to begin with.

I don't think many people would disagree with that sentiment. I think a way to maybe look at it some people don't one what's occurring between police and black youths as being a part of anyone's normal.

This is more of an epidemic than the police issues to me. These kids need a better start in life and it begins with their parents.

Which began with their parents, and their parents, and their parents, of course. Be wary of anyone who refuses to acknowledge historical factors in this discussion. It's the height of ignorance to try to remove it from the equation.

If the "solution" to this problem is for a singular generation who grew up and exist in this environment to just change their culture overnight, then the ignorant people proposing this are so ignorant they don't realize they've discovered the solution to every problem ever.

Opioid crisis: Just be better.

Insurance fraud and white-collar crime that takes money out of all of our pockets: Just be better.

Domestic violence: Just be better.

Child abuse: Just be better.

There's no problem that can't and shouldn't be solved the same way that some idiots think people from historically poor communities should just take responsibility for themselves and take advantage of the opportunity this great country provides anyone.

There is always the culture loop to fall on.

African Americans need to emphasize parenting and education more. Okay so why don't they? Because of the culture. Okay so why is the culture the way it is? Because African Americans need to emphasize parenting and education more.

Freedom of choice does not mean the right choices will be made.
And the choices which be made defined what this people life will be.
If culture is the downward spiral it is bound to disappear.
The history is not kind to anyone - at the end every culture get what it deserved.
Cultures which breed violence and hatred depopulate and disappear, cultures which collect and protect intellectual and moral wealth persevere and last forever.
Nothing is new under the sun.

Directly post slavery. There was no black on black gang drug violence. There was no hip hop. This culture was not established yet. You believe that African Americans have developed this culture due to their own poor choices?

People were moved from tribal culture into modern (at a time) society and were isolated and used as slaves.
It was no way any kind of culture can be established for this people.
Then some generations later they were freed but segregated from mainstream local culture.
This forced some unique cultural traits to develop as a mix of old tribal culture and some elements picked up from slave-owners society.
Obviously it was no time to establish anything structured so the mix of original African Voodoo and Christianity took over as religious concepts are designed to occupy easily any empty cultural space.
Then when segregation was over the pressure of mainstream American culture falls like a hummer as American culture itself is a mix of multiple cultures brought from all over the world.
The only way to be a part of American culture is to melt into it, especially if some group has no string original culture to hold on too.
AA is what America is when original cultural values of the people are lost or weak. They are the mirror America is looking into. So do not blame the mirror if it shows sometimes you find ugly.
Rather be grateful when it shows beautiful things.

arkrud wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

nixluva wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Man everything relates back to race for you--I wasnt even talking about race. Actually its people like you who are a big problem. You throw around the word "oppressed" instead of using examples of why anyone can be what they want to be in this country. You downplay the opportunity the uS gives EVERY single person and you bait it with racial disparity.

Nixluva--you have ZERO appreciation for a country that made you a great life. You like to teach history but youre a BAD teacher my friend. If you want to do something teach and preach to people what they can be instead of picturing a blindly bleak face on things. Slavery occurred all over the world nixluva--thats history--nothing we can do about it now. But we can bring examples of what is good and what can be achieved. But you like hate more than you like optimism.

Nixluva there are hundreds of millions--maybe billions of people oppressed around the world. People cant own a home many people dont even have rations of food for a day. You dont even understand what oppressed means--you were never oppressed for one minute of your life--Id bet on that. My bet is you have a nice home were afford more luxuries than 99% of the rest of the Earth--brought up good kidswho had a good education and you downplay the great opportunity the uS gave you by spewing gibberish nonsense.

You're a problem--you are no solution--youre take is the embarrassing part. Everything you have you take for granted. Half my family was incinerated--every day I see my children Im happy. I started off behind the gun in this world when my dad died when I was 8(my mom pregnant with my little brother) This country gave me opportunity and ive done this best I could do--with some health issues at a young age to boot. I appreciate the flag and what it means--but UNLIKE TrUMP I accept thoughtful disagreement on issue. I do NOT agree with his bashing style--but as you tell me I am on the wrong side of history--my opinion of you is come into the year 2017 and appreciate the things the uS gave you and stop focusing on problem of the past. Guys like Popovich never gave Trump or democracy one minute of chance--he was obstructed and resisted from minute 1 because a large bunch of people didnt get what they wanted. He certainly isnt the nicest person but I believe 100% that he wants the greater good for everyone--still do and that Hillary Clinton was not a viable choice. Dont write me back a page long diatribe on why you believe you were oppressed when there are billions of people who really ARE oppressed in the world--give it a needed break.

BRIGGS there's just a fundamental level of ignorance to your world view. You and from what I can perceive MANY others in this country who think like you are basically unsympathetic to the plight of others in this country. You can't put yourself in someone else's shoes and try to understand what their situation is like.

For starters you want to pretend that history has no impact on the present. This is convenient for you and your argument. As i've spoken about often, my Grandmothers, Aunts, Uncles and Parents are still alive and ranging in ages from 60-95. Their lives MOST CERTAINLY have been impacted by OPPRESSION. I was born in the 60's and I can tell you that I most CERTAINLY experienced the disadvantages of OPPRESSION. I and others have been trying to point out to you that inequality and injustice in this country has never stopped being an issue for minorities!!! As I said there were no GOOD OLE DAYS for AA's and other Minorities in this country.

The SYSTEM that has been in place since the founding of this nation was built to be unequal. The Mentality of MANY of White Citizens towards AA's has been one of White Supremacy from the founding of this nation up to this very day. You want me to ignore the inequality and just be happy that i'm here in the U.S. cuz this country GAVE me and my people all this opportunity. WHY should we ignore the inequality and injustice that's been going on since 1619 to this very day?

Lastly NO ONE is "afforded luxuries" in this country. I'm not sure why you would say such a thing. Especially Minorities in this country. Given that you say that half your family was incinerated you should be more empathetic to those who are being oppressed.

These are my grandfathers who fought in WWII. They were in Segregated military units and after fighting they came home to Segregation and inequality. One of them was wounded in War and eventually died from complications. He never knew a world that was equal for AA's.
Both of them had Grandparents who were Slaves.

Things are not EQUAL in this country to this day.

Nixluva--You live in the greatest country in the world---feel lucky and stand tall when the anthem plays.

This debate is all about one thing which is a fact of live:

You can't put yourself in someone else's shoes and try to understand what their situation is like.

Nix cannot for the life of him understood what Jews were going through aver more that 2000 years of oppression and killing and BRIGGS cannot understood what AA were going through over 300 years oppression in US.
Nix cannot look at life in US from the point of view of people getting slotted and dying from hunger in Syria, Iraq, Libya, Yemen, Afghanistan, Somalia, Chad, Nigeria, NK, Venezuelan, and list goes on.
And this people will never consider Nix and other Americans who complain about their life anything else but ignorant sobs.
It is no doubt that this is the attitude which is real. But the question is why we people are like this?
Why we never appreciate the good thugs we have in live and why we always angry about things we cannot get? Why we never in piece?
Why we always hateful, always afraid, always jealous to anyone else achievements, and always looking for excuses for our own shortcomings?
It is not because we are black or white, man or women, Christians or Muslims, homosexual or heterosexual, old or young but because we cannot control our small mind and obtain our true SELF which is love and which is God.

Because a vast majority of the people in this country are incredibly small minded robots who live in a fantasy bubble. No concern for anyone but themselves. Only fake outrage and meaningless fake resolutions that accomplish nothing. Only helps fuel their egos and inflate their self-worth and acceptance amongst peers.

They take everything from, safety, freedom, jobs, social programs, immigration, health & wealth for granted until them and their loved ones are faced with real world issues.

Again, the simple solution is to start drafting young americans to serve their country. They will come home a better person. Out of trouble, mature, selfless, patriotic &
Unified. Grateful citizens of the world.

Our multi million dollars athletes especially would benefit.

BRIGGS wrote:

TheGame wrote:I was going to start a new topic about this but out of respect for the off-topic nature of the issue, I am adding my comments here. Trump's latest controversy really saddens me more than any thing else he has done. Without any prompting whatsoever, this guy chimes in on the issue of NFL players protesting by sitting during the national anthem. First, he wants the NFL to fire any player that exercises their First Amendment right to peacefully protest. Trump says, " "Total disrespect of our heritage, a total disrespect of everything that we stand for. Everything that we stand for." Notice the coded language. It is "our" heritage and everything that "we" stand for. Meaning that black people are not apart of the "our" or "we". They are still house and field n---- here for your entertainment. Then he attacks the NFL for making changes to the game designed to protect players from head injuries by saying they are ruining the game. Meaning, who cares if dumb field N---- have brain injuries, they do not matter to me anyway. Then Trump goes on to state, "If a player wants the privilege of making millions of dollars in the NFL, or other leagues, he or she should not be allowed to disrespect our Great American Flag (or Country) and should stand for the National Anthem. If not, YOU'RE FIRED. Find something else to do!" Thus, he shows that the real issue is that these field n----- are making millions of dollars, and my base of poor white people are jealous and so we are going to make an issue of anything these uppity n----- do. He then "uninvites" the Warriors to the White House after they already decided they were not going. Saying it is a great honor to go to the White House. In short, you uppity n----- have money, so you should just be thankful for what you have and not make any trouble.

The fact that all of this was unsolicited shows the deep seated racism and bigotry that he has. I did not like Bush, but I would have never turned down an invitation to the White House to meet him. I did not like Romney, but I would have had respect for him as a person. I absolutely have mad respect for McCain, even though I don't agree with his policies. But we now have a president who you cannot even respect as a person, let alone addressing his policies. It is truly a dark time that we are living in. I hope that this country makes a better choice in the next election. It is not even about republican or democrat. It is about electing someone who takes the position of President seriously and understands that he represents the entire country and not just white people.

I 100% agree. I'm not in love with everything Trump does and this to me was not necessary and over the top. I believe we should stand for the anthem-- I thinks it's completely disresctful not to BUT the way Trump disparaged and handled that situation Friday night-- I don't choose to be associated with that-- that's not in my playbook. I think it's fair to ask Trump to apologize and as Lavar Ball says-- stay in his lane.

Why should he apologize when it's the radical left making it
about race? Not President Trump. He's speaking for all of America. The ones that got him elected. Why would he let them down? He wants to be re-elected for
A 2nd term in 3yrs. He's not listening to the rhetoric of the loud boisterous minority.

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Mad respect as usual. Thanks for speaking out on this.

Our country is such an embarrassment--so poorly run that you live in a ten million dollar home and tip people 10g's a sitting. Yep you could do that in any other country in the world. I think some people really have to move out if they dont like it. Actually if you spoke out like this on TV in China or Russia--you might not see tomorrow let alone live in luxury.

I didnt like what D Trump said on Friday either--I dont think a President needs to chide an athlete and certainly he had some F gaul swearing at them. Those owners who probably agreed with Trump MUCH more so than with the few players that knelt were personally assaulted by him Friday. Thats their billion $ business--wtf do you thin k they are going to do at that point???? That wasn't against anything other than their pocket books. Those guys are cut throat MFers--they are loyal to their pockets.

Go travelling, you'll find most people in the world either fear Trump's ineptitude or ridicule him- Pops was right. Trump is a joke to most people in the world, albeit a dangerous one

"Our country is an embarrassment to the world" Did I get the word wrong? In 10 months did Trump create the world's problems or did they already exist? If Pop was so concerned why didnt he take a knee 20 years ago? If Im wrong didnt President Reagan lie--say 100 X in office? Didnt Bill Clinton have a coed under his desk sucking his F dick while his wife was downstairs? Didnt George Bush lie and say Iraq had WMD which killed how many people? How many Black people did Obama help in his 8 years as the first black President? Lets get real--EVERY President had their BIG flaws.

When you election a dumb, delusional, thin skinned, lying, bigoted, misogynistic, bright orange clown with a terrible hairdo as your president, who spends most of his time spouting absolute drivel, then yes you become a joke in people's eyes.

Every President is a liar. The lady who didnt win the Presidency might've been the worst liar of all--shes still lyin. If she had any dignity she wouldve been divorced 30 year ago. She was not fit to be President and that was the choices--Pop got that right. The assault on Trump started way before he became President--hes in the toughest job under the absolute worst conditions. Instead of ANY type of positive contribution to help all the word RESIST was there before this guy had a chance. No one even remotely tried to work it out together so youu should take it like a man instead of being a complainer.

Im going to be 48.5 years on this Earth--I have never EVER heard people saying resist the government before it was even given a chance? I never heard that at all? Resist what--resist the fcking law? Create an environment of chaos? Disrupt democracy? Never positive==not 1 day. Biggest bunch of BS I have ever seen hypocrisy at its finest.

Every time I hear sht like this it encourages me to vote the same way. And people will remember this--dont try to help--just act like a chaotic spoiled hypocritical complainer. Resist to 7 more years --you wait and see. Its just like marriage--either you work together or you dont. You dont have to agree with everything but you do for the greater cause. Lets see what happens when Democrats try to keep tax money out of peoples pockets.

Atta boy! that's more like it

arkrud wrote:People were moved from tribal culture into modern (at a time) society and were isolated and used as slaves.
It was no way any kind of culture can be established for this people.

First off African Slaves were not coming from only Tribal Culture. There were established Kingdoms and Empires on the Continent of Africa. The Portuguese, Dutch and British bought slaves from the Kings of complex kingdoms like the Mali Empire, Dahomey and Ashanti. There were long established ancient cities like Timbuktu with its commerce, libraries and universities. Africans came to America with skills in Farming, Metal work, mining, animal husbandry. The politics of dealing with various African Cultures led to Marriage between African Royal Families and Europeans to make for better relations. The descendants of these intermarriages still live in Africa.

arkrud wrote:Then some generations later they were freed but segregated from mainstream local culture.
This forced some unique cultural traits to develop as a mix of old tribal culture and some elements picked up from slave-owners society.
Obviously it was no time to establish anything structured so the mix of original African Voodoo and Christianity took over as religious concepts are designed to occupy easily any empty cultural space.

Africans that were enslaved included Muslims as well as Yoruba and other African religions, but they weren't all ignorant of Judeo Christian beliefs. AA's were actually very much blended into Colonial Society with the exception of the Sea Island Slaves that lived mostly isolated and kept their African Traditions to this day.

The Christian religions were very well established among slaves from very early on. Being a captive audience, most all were converted and the same Moral teachings everyone else in society received were instilled in AA's. Even more so since they were fully aware of the fact that they were not being treated properly according to the teachings of Christ. You have to remember that there were always some Free Africans in America as well.

arkrud wrote:Then when segregation was over the pressure of mainstream American culture falls like a hummer as American culture itself is a mix of multiple cultures brought from all over the world.
The only way to be a part of American culture is to melt into it, especially if some group has no string original culture to hold on too.

AA is what America is when original cultural values of the people are lost or weak. They are the mirror America is looking into. So do not blame the mirror if it shows sometimes you find ugly.
Rather be grateful when it shows beautiful things.

As for AA's and their culture, just understand that MUCH of what America is famous for comes from African Culture. It's so melted in that you don't even realize it anymore. Language, Food, Art, Music etc. This country would not be the same if you didn't have the mixing of African and other cultures to create what is considered American Culture.

AA's are not some Monolith where all are the same. No different from everyone else there is great diversity among AA's. No the entire 40 Million of us are not all struggling, "lost or weak". We have a very long and proud tradition in this country despite the intentional Oppression and Degradation we've suffered. Things done to keep us at a lower class and out of power. Things done to ruin the Family structure and living conditions of our communities. As I've said before, this wasn't some benign circumstance that can't be explained. This was done on purpose from the very beginning in 1619 until this very day.

gunsnewing wrote:

arkrud wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

nixluva wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Man everything relates back to race for you--I wasnt even talking about race. Actually its people like you who are a big problem. You throw around the word "oppressed" instead of using examples of why anyone can be what they want to be in this country. You downplay the opportunity the uS gives EVERY single person and you bait it with racial disparity.

Nixluva--you have ZERO appreciation for a country that made you a great life. You like to teach history but youre a BAD teacher my friend. If you want to do something teach and preach to people what they can be instead of picturing a blindly bleak face on things. Slavery occurred all over the world nixluva--thats history--nothing we can do about it now. But we can bring examples of what is good and what can be achieved. But you like hate more than you like optimism.

Nixluva there are hundreds of millions--maybe billions of people oppressed around the world. People cant own a home many people dont even have rations of food for a day. You dont even understand what oppressed means--you were never oppressed for one minute of your life--Id bet on that. My bet is you have a nice home were afford more luxuries than 99% of the rest of the Earth--brought up good kidswho had a good education and you downplay the great opportunity the uS gave you by spewing gibberish nonsense.

You're a problem--you are no solution--youre take is the embarrassing part. Everything you have you take for granted. Half my family was incinerated--every day I see my children Im happy. I started off behind the gun in this world when my dad died when I was 8(my mom pregnant with my little brother) This country gave me opportunity and ive done this best I could do--with some health issues at a young age to boot. I appreciate the flag and what it means--but UNLIKE TrUMP I accept thoughtful disagreement on issue. I do NOT agree with his bashing style--but as you tell me I am on the wrong side of history--my opinion of you is come into the year 2017 and appreciate the things the uS gave you and stop focusing on problem of the past. Guys like Popovich never gave Trump or democracy one minute of chance--he was obstructed and resisted from minute 1 because a large bunch of people didnt get what they wanted. He certainly isnt the nicest person but I believe 100% that he wants the greater good for everyone--still do and that Hillary Clinton was not a viable choice. Dont write me back a page long diatribe on why you believe you were oppressed when there are billions of people who really ARE oppressed in the world--give it a needed break.

BRIGGS there's just a fundamental level of ignorance to your world view. You and from what I can perceive MANY others in this country who think like you are basically unsympathetic to the plight of others in this country. You can't put yourself in someone else's shoes and try to understand what their situation is like.

For starters you want to pretend that history has no impact on the present. This is convenient for you and your argument. As i've spoken about often, my Grandmothers, Aunts, Uncles and Parents are still alive and ranging in ages from 60-95. Their lives MOST CERTAINLY have been impacted by OPPRESSION. I was born in the 60's and I can tell you that I most CERTAINLY experienced the disadvantages of OPPRESSION. I and others have been trying to point out to you that inequality and injustice in this country has never stopped being an issue for minorities!!! As I said there were no GOOD OLE DAYS for AA's and other Minorities in this country.

The SYSTEM that has been in place since the founding of this nation was built to be unequal. The Mentality of MANY of White Citizens towards AA's has been one of White Supremacy from the founding of this nation up to this very day. You want me to ignore the inequality and just be happy that i'm here in the U.S. cuz this country GAVE me and my people all this opportunity. WHY should we ignore the inequality and injustice that's been going on since 1619 to this very day?

Lastly NO ONE is "afforded luxuries" in this country. I'm not sure why you would say such a thing. Especially Minorities in this country. Given that you say that half your family was incinerated you should be more empathetic to those who are being oppressed.

These are my grandfathers who fought in WWII. They were in Segregated military units and after fighting they came home to Segregation and inequality. One of them was wounded in War and eventually died from complications. He never knew a world that was equal for AA's.
Both of them had Grandparents who were Slaves.

Things are not EQUAL in this country to this day.

Nixluva--You live in the greatest country in the world---feel lucky and stand tall when the anthem plays.

This debate is all about one thing which is a fact of live:

You can't put yourself in someone else's shoes and try to understand what their situation is like.

Nix cannot for the life of him understood what Jews were going through aver more that 2000 years of oppression and killing and BRIGGS cannot understood what AA were going through over 300 years oppression in US.
Nix cannot look at life in US from the point of view of people getting slotted and dying from hunger in Syria, Iraq, Libya, Yemen, Afghanistan, Somalia, Chad, Nigeria, NK, Venezuelan, and list goes on.
And this people will never consider Nix and other Americans who complain about their life anything else but ignorant sobs.
It is no doubt that this is the attitude which is real. But the question is why we people are like this?
Why we never appreciate the good thugs we have in live and why we always angry about things we cannot get? Why we never in piece?
Why we always hateful, always afraid, always jealous to anyone else achievements, and always looking for excuses for our own shortcomings?
It is not because we are black or white, man or women, Christians or Muslims, homosexual or heterosexual, old or young but because we cannot control our small mind and obtain our true SELF which is love and which is God.

Because a vast majority of the people in this country are incredibly small minded robots who live in a fantasy bubble. No concern for anyone but themselves. Only fake outrage and meaningless fake resolutions that accomplish nothing. Only helps fuel their egos and inflate their self-worth and acceptance amongst peers.

They take everything from, safety, freedom, jobs, social programs, immigration, health & wealth for granted until them and their loved ones are faced with real world issues.

Again, the simple solution is to start drafting young americans to serve their country. They will come home a better person. Out of trouble, mature, selfless, patriotic &
Unified. Grateful citizens of the world.

Our multi million dollars athletes especially would benefit.

Drafting? That's your solution? Teaching Civics would be more beneficial than drafting people IMO. How about starting with better Education, Employment and Resources in communities of need all over the country? How about fixing the broken, dysfunctional Judicial system and Policing? Lower the cost of Healthcare and making it available to everyone. Making it easier for everyone to VOTE!

gunsnewing wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

TheGame wrote:I was going to start a new topic about this but out of respect for the off-topic nature of the issue, I am adding my comments here. Trump's latest controversy really saddens me more than any thing else he has done. Without any prompting whatsoever, this guy chimes in on the issue of NFL players protesting by sitting during the national anthem. First, he wants the NFL to fire any player that exercises their First Amendment right to peacefully protest. Trump says, " "Total disrespect of our heritage, a total disrespect of everything that we stand for. Everything that we stand for." Notice the coded language. It is "our" heritage and everything that "we" stand for. Meaning that black people are not apart of the "our" or "we". They are still house and field n---- here for your entertainment. Then he attacks the NFL for making changes to the game designed to protect players from head injuries by saying they are ruining the game. Meaning, who cares if dumb field N---- have brain injuries, they do not matter to me anyway. Then Trump goes on to state, "If a player wants the privilege of making millions of dollars in the NFL, or other leagues, he or she should not be allowed to disrespect our Great American Flag (or Country) and should stand for the National Anthem. If not, YOU'RE FIRED. Find something else to do!" Thus, he shows that the real issue is that these field n----- are making millions of dollars, and my base of poor white people are jealous and so we are going to make an issue of anything these uppity n----- do. He then "uninvites" the Warriors to the White House after they already decided they were not going. Saying it is a great honor to go to the White House. In short, you uppity n----- have money, so you should just be thankful for what you have and not make any trouble.

The fact that all of this was unsolicited shows the deep seated racism and bigotry that he has. I did not like Bush, but I would have never turned down an invitation to the White House to meet him. I did not like Romney, but I would have had respect for him as a person. I absolutely have mad respect for McCain, even though I don't agree with his policies. But we now have a president who you cannot even respect as a person, let alone addressing his policies. It is truly a dark time that we are living in. I hope that this country makes a better choice in the next election. It is not even about republican or democrat. It is about electing someone who takes the position of President seriously and understands that he represents the entire country and not just white people.

I 100% agree. I'm not in love with everything Trump does and this to me was not necessary and over the top. I believe we should stand for the anthem-- I thinks it's completely disresctful not to BUT the way Trump disparaged and handled that situation Friday night-- I don't choose to be associated with that-- that's not in my playbook. I think it's fair to ask Trump to apologize and as Lavar Ball says-- stay in his lane.

Why should he apologize when it's the radical left making it
about race? Not President Trump. He's speaking for all of America. The ones that got him elected. Why would he let them down? He wants to be re-elected for
A 2nd term in 3yrs. He's not listening to the rhetoric of the loud boisterous minority.

LOL. I think you are being sarcastic and are not seriously suggesting that this issue is not about race. For anyone who might question whether it is about race, I would say this. Why did not Trump call the white people standing with white supremacist "SOB's" for essential protesting against racial equality. For those people, Trump bent over backwards trying to justify their actions and said there were "fine people" in the crowd. Yet, when black athletes protest racial inequality due to police brutality, he wholly ignores what they are protesting and demands that they be fired. Trump has no problem with US citizens riding around with confederate flags which represents those who committed acts of treason against this country but god forbid a black man kneels in protest and we are all up in arms. Now the white supremacist supporter, their fine people but these uppity blacks should be cursed at and be fired.

As one of the videos said, if the NFL players were kneeling to protest the fact that soldiers are not given adequate medical benefits would anyone still be mad? No, they wouldn't. The issue is that Trump and his supporters take offense that these rich black athletes have the audacity to do a peaceful protest in their faces about inequality which is an issue that Trump does not care to believe in and is in no way concerned about. This man literally called on law enforcement to assault detainees when they arrested them. So instead of saying i disagree and don't care about police brutality aGainst black people, trump instead flips everything and claims that black athletes peacefully protesting by kneeling is against the military and our flag. This same man who was a draft dodger and who said John McCain was not a war Hero for being captured (statements his supporters seem unconcerned with) is now claiming he is so offended. Of course, this is about race. Trump is playing up the racial tensions in this country because he perceives it as advantageous to him politically, which is the real shame here because it shows this guy is more concerned with himself and stirring the pot that he is about unity in our country.

gunsnewing wrote:

arkrud wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

nixluva wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Man everything relates back to race for you--I wasnt even talking about race. Actually its people like you who are a big problem. You throw around the word "oppressed" instead of using examples of why anyone can be what they want to be in this country. You downplay the opportunity the uS gives EVERY single person and you bait it with racial disparity.

Nixluva--you have ZERO appreciation for a country that made you a great life. You like to teach history but youre a BAD teacher my friend. If you want to do something teach and preach to people what they can be instead of picturing a blindly bleak face on things. Slavery occurred all over the world nixluva--thats history--nothing we can do about it now. But we can bring examples of what is good and what can be achieved. But you like hate more than you like optimism.

Nixluva there are hundreds of millions--maybe billions of people oppressed around the world. People cant own a home many people dont even have rations of food for a day. You dont even understand what oppressed means--you were never oppressed for one minute of your life--Id bet on that. My bet is you have a nice home were afford more luxuries than 99% of the rest of the Earth--brought up good kidswho had a good education and you downplay the great opportunity the uS gave you by spewing gibberish nonsense.

You're a problem--you are no solution--youre take is the embarrassing part. Everything you have you take for granted. Half my family was incinerated--every day I see my children Im happy. I started off behind the gun in this world when my dad died when I was 8(my mom pregnant with my little brother) This country gave me opportunity and ive done this best I could do--with some health issues at a young age to boot. I appreciate the flag and what it means--but UNLIKE TrUMP I accept thoughtful disagreement on issue. I do NOT agree with his bashing style--but as you tell me I am on the wrong side of history--my opinion of you is come into the year 2017 and appreciate the things the uS gave you and stop focusing on problem of the past. Guys like Popovich never gave Trump or democracy one minute of chance--he was obstructed and resisted from minute 1 because a large bunch of people didnt get what they wanted. He certainly isnt the nicest person but I believe 100% that he wants the greater good for everyone--still do and that Hillary Clinton was not a viable choice. Dont write me back a page long diatribe on why you believe you were oppressed when there are billions of people who really ARE oppressed in the world--give it a needed break.

BRIGGS there's just a fundamental level of ignorance to your world view. You and from what I can perceive MANY others in this country who think like you are basically unsympathetic to the plight of others in this country. You can't put yourself in someone else's shoes and try to understand what their situation is like.

For starters you want to pretend that history has no impact on the present. This is convenient for you and your argument. As i've spoken about often, my Grandmothers, Aunts, Uncles and Parents are still alive and ranging in ages from 60-95. Their lives MOST CERTAINLY have been impacted by OPPRESSION. I was born in the 60's and I can tell you that I most CERTAINLY experienced the disadvantages of OPPRESSION. I and others have been trying to point out to you that inequality and injustice in this country has never stopped being an issue for minorities!!! As I said there were no GOOD OLE DAYS for AA's and other Minorities in this country.

The SYSTEM that has been in place since the founding of this nation was built to be unequal. The Mentality of MANY of White Citizens towards AA's has been one of White Supremacy from the founding of this nation up to this very day. You want me to ignore the inequality and just be happy that i'm here in the U.S. cuz this country GAVE me and my people all this opportunity. WHY should we ignore the inequality and injustice that's been going on since 1619 to this very day?

Lastly NO ONE is "afforded luxuries" in this country. I'm not sure why you would say such a thing. Especially Minorities in this country. Given that you say that half your family was incinerated you should be more empathetic to those who are being oppressed.

These are my grandfathers who fought in WWII. They were in Segregated military units and after fighting they came home to Segregation and inequality. One of them was wounded in War and eventually died from complications. He never knew a world that was equal for AA's.
Both of them had Grandparents who were Slaves.

Things are not EQUAL in this country to this day.

Nixluva--You live in the greatest country in the world---feel lucky and stand tall when the anthem plays.

This debate is all about one thing which is a fact of live:

You can't put yourself in someone else's shoes and try to understand what their situation is like.

Nix cannot for the life of him understood what Jews were going through aver more that 2000 years of oppression and killing and BRIGGS cannot understood what AA were going through over 300 years oppression in US.
Nix cannot look at life in US from the point of view of people getting slotted and dying from hunger in Syria, Iraq, Libya, Yemen, Afghanistan, Somalia, Chad, Nigeria, NK, Venezuelan, and list goes on.
And this people will never consider Nix and other Americans who complain about their life anything else but ignorant sobs.
It is no doubt that this is the attitude which is real. But the question is why we people are like this?
Why we never appreciate the good thugs we have in live and why we always angry about things we cannot get? Why we never in piece?
Why we always hateful, always afraid, always jealous to anyone else achievements, and always looking for excuses for our own shortcomings?
It is not because we are black or white, man or women, Christians or Muslims, homosexual or heterosexual, old or young but because we cannot control our small mind and obtain our true SELF which is love and which is God.

Because a vast majority of the people in this country are incredibly small minded robots who live in a fantasy bubble. No concern for anyone but themselves. Only fake outrage and meaningless fake resolutions that accomplish nothing. Only helps fuel their egos and inflate their self-worth and acceptance amongst peers.

They take everything from, safety, freedom, jobs, social programs, immigration, health & wealth for granted until them and their loved ones are faced with real world issues.

Again, the simple solution is to start drafting young americans to serve their country. They will come home a better person. Out of trouble, mature, selfless, patriotic &
Unified. Grateful citizens of the world.

Our multi million dollars athletes especially would benefit.

Where did you serve?

arkrud wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

arkrud wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:To me, I think this is the bigger issue that our country faces, not just kneeling in protest of police brutality, but giving slot of these kids in poor neighborhoods a better normal. Whether it's folks growing up in a trailer park or in the inner cities (and this isn't just limited to black and white, but that's predominantly what anyone wants to talk about) it always comes down to parenting and I'm sorry but I think when you look at the issues in the inner cities with kids growing up without fathers, or no parents at all, it doesn't even give most of these kids a chance to begin with.

I don't think many people would disagree with that sentiment. I think a way to maybe look at it some people don't one what's occurring between police and black youths as being a part of anyone's normal.

This is more of an epidemic than the police issues to me. These kids need a better start in life and it begins with their parents.

Which began with their parents, and their parents, and their parents, of course. Be wary of anyone who refuses to acknowledge historical factors in this discussion. It's the height of ignorance to try to remove it from the equation.

If the "solution" to this problem is for a singular generation who grew up and exist in this environment to just change their culture overnight, then the ignorant people proposing this are so ignorant they don't realize they've discovered the solution to every problem ever.

Opioid crisis: Just be better.

Insurance fraud and white-collar crime that takes money out of all of our pockets: Just be better.

Domestic violence: Just be better.

Child abuse: Just be better.

There's no problem that can't and shouldn't be solved the same way that some idiots think people from historically poor communities should just take responsibility for themselves and take advantage of the opportunity this great country provides anyone.

There is always the culture loop to fall on.

African Americans need to emphasize parenting and education more. Okay so why don't they? Because of the culture. Okay so why is the culture the way it is? Because African Americans need to emphasize parenting and education more.

Freedom of choice does not mean the right choices will be made.
And the choices which be made defined what this people life will be.
If culture is the downward spiral it is bound to disappear.
The history is not kind to anyone - at the end every culture get what it deserved.
Cultures which breed violence and hatred depopulate and disappear, cultures which collect and protect intellectual and moral wealth persevere and last forever.
Nothing is new under the sun.

Directly post slavery. There was no black on black gang drug violence. There was no hip hop. This culture was not established yet. You believe that African Americans have developed this culture due to their own poor choices?

People were moved from tribal culture into modern (at a time) society and were isolated and used as slaves.
It was no way any kind of culture can be established for this people.
Then some generations later they were freed but segregated from mainstream local culture.
This forced some unique cultural traits to develop as a mix of old tribal culture and some elements picked up from slave-owners society.
Obviously it was no time to establish anything structured so the mix of original African Voodoo and Christianity took over as religious concepts are designed to occupy easily any empty cultural space.
Then when segregation was over the pressure of mainstream American culture falls like a hummer as American culture itself is a mix of multiple cultures brought from all over the world.
The only way to be a part of American culture is to melt into it, especially if some group has no string original culture to hold on too.
AA is what America is when original cultural values of the people are lost or weak. They are the mirror America is looking into. So do not blame the mirror if it shows sometimes you find ugly.
Rather be grateful when it shows beautiful things.

In a typical response. Zero accountability voiced while claiming African Americans to be primitive to justify 2nd class citizen treatment. During segregation African Americans were forced to support themselves. In doing so.

In 1865, just after Emancipation, 476,748 free Blacks — 1.5 percent of U.S. population– owned a .005 percent of the total wealth of the United States. Today, a full 135 years after the abolition of slavery, 44.5 million Black Americans — 14.2 percent of the population — possess a meager 1 percent of the national wealth.

This doesn't line up with your timeline of primitive African American evolution.

From 1890 to 1950, Black women married at higher rates than white women, despite a consistent shortage of Black males due to their higher mortality rate.

The mortality rate wasn't due to black on black crime.

In 1965, only 8 percent of childbirths in the Black community occurred out of wedlock. In 2010, that figure was 41 percent;

This also doesn't line up with your timeline of primitive African American evolution.

In 1954, white men had a zero percent unemployment rate, while African-American men experienced about a 4 percent rate. By 2010, it was at 16.7 percent for Black men compared to 7.7 percent for white men.

Many Black men were also dislodged from their families and pushed into the rapidly expanding prison industrial complex that developed in the wake of rising unemployment.

When you say pressure of "mainstream American culture" do you mean extreme racism, prejudice, oppression?

During segregation with a smaller population. There was a higher rate black business owners then there are today. Strictly due to AAs having to depend on themselves in order to survive. Not bad for those primitive beings. During integration AAs flocked to support white owned businesses happy to be viewed as equal. The difference is whites didn't flock to black own businesses in unison. White owned businesses added new revenue that they weren't receiving during segregation. While blacks lost almost all revenue from lack of support from anyone.

Then there is.
The business practices of redlining, mortgage discrimination, and racially restrictive covenants contributed to the overcrowding and physical deterioration of areas where minorities chose to congregate. Such conditions are considered to have contributed to the emigration of other populations. The limited facilities for banking and insurance, due to a perceived lack of profitability, and other social services, and extra fees meant to hedge against perceived profit issues increased their cost to residents in predominantly non-white suburbs and city neighborhoods.[15][16] According to the environmental geographer Laura Pulido, the historical processes of suburbanization and urban decentralization contribute to contemporary environmental racism.[17]

Do we chalk this up to pressure of American culutre as well?