Off Topic · If you have to watch the way you cut your hair--this world is fckd (page 6)
smackeddog wrote:Knickoftime wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Knickoftime wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Knickoftime wrote:BRIGGS wrote:You want straight talk and discourse or just complain ? You want problem to start getting solved--then you have to hear from both sides.I've done nothing but engage you in discourse. Disagreeing with you and finding fault in your positions is not complaining.
You think you are dead right that Im a racist and so is every white guy right? AA for the most part have great hatred towards whites? and on the other hand white people along with Asian and European are fearful of AA. So we need to do something about that--we need change. Again you just have a self righteous view. You are seeing one side. If AA feels slighted form racism today--can you explain how that is today? How exactly did racism effect your life? A white guy do something to you? A Chinese guy do something bad to you? Dont tell me about 19060 tell me about 2017. I see AA President and every other position. A great deal of fairness exist. People from 1960 must laugh at people today talking about racism--they experienced it--you dont.If you'd like this straight talk discourse to continue ... If YOU want to hear other sides ... It is necessary you answer a question. Straight-forwardly, no hedging, please.
How did you conclude what my race is?
Spoiler warning: I'm a card-carrying white guy.
You're name is Steve Mills--Ive seen you may times. I dont need to conclude anything--I know you're AA.
My name is not Steve Mills, I've never posted here under the name Steve Mills, I do not know who "Steve Mills" is and I am in fact, white.
Answer the question.
. Every last person on this board knows who Steve Mills is and you claim you don't? . Steve its ok--atleast youre getting paid handsomely to post on a Knicks message board. But we wonder why they lose!Wait, so you genuinely think I'm the Executive President of the Knicks?
No, it didn't even occur to me you're referring to that Steve Mills.
Hey Steve, I'm Keith Van Horn- did you know BRIGGS is actually Donald Trump?
I want to be a Batman. But not knowing who Steve Mills is =hilarious.
nixluva wrote:arkrud wrote:nixluva wrote:BRIGGS wrote:It's just reality. I treat all people the same -- I have friends of all creeds colors-- it has no bearing on me. In fact my AA or Asian friends -- guys who grew up in Brooklyn and Ct are all the same way. There is no need to talk about race issues because we have none between each other. Were long term friends. I think in this world you give effort uou can have happiness and success-- no one us held back.
You're world is not representative of the Majority for African Americans so you really have no frame of reference IMO. The Majority of AA's still live in the former Slave States which is also where the majority of Confederate Monuments are and groups like the KKK etc. There is a long standing order of things down here that you simply can't understand if you refuse to listen to those who know from experience.
You really seem to have a lack of understanding that life in other areas may not reflect the experience others live in other areas. It's as if you are intentionally being obtuse about this. You seem to think somehow this is all just being overblown. I would love to have you come down here and talk your nonsense. Let me take you to the areas where the Sons of the Confederacy have their compounds and control of entire towns. They've always been in control and still hold onto that power. You would not be so smug about these things.
You either will remain in ignorance or you can change that and actually LEARN the truth and be enlightened. There are plenty of members on this forum who could help you if you legitimately wanted to learn and expand your knowledge. Why is it that you think the South is so solidly Red and under Republican Control? The percentage of AA per state is highest in the South. It always has been and that is why they used Violence to keep AA's from voting. Now they just pass voter Suppression laws and limit the number of voting locations, but it's the same reasons. CONTROL.
Nix - you seems to be very knowledgeable and deeply involved in AA issues in the South and elsewhere in US.
Leaving in NY/NJ in its multinational fresh-emigrant communities I cannot see the issues you highlight.
The population is so diverse and even African people are mostly not AA but rather later African and Latin American/Caribbean emigrants.
I think Briggs is in the same boat, that's why he cannot relate to many issues you are talking about.
I think your concerns are very valid and live conditions and problems of AA people you describe are real.
One thing I want to understand - why in your opinion the AA people in US and specifically in the South are not coming together with well defined political party and their own political representatives to bring their grievances to the forefront of US political life?
Why with so many prominent AA people in mainstream politics, media, entertainment business, and in all areas of culture they do not come with clear message about the issues and problem like you do? Why instead they are waiting for Democrats or some random White figures to get enlightened about this issues and go to war for AA people?
Part of the problem is that the TRUTH about this country's history is not taught. That's why I always go back and bring it up to the modern era so that there is a sense of perspective of how we got here and why things are so bad for AA's and other minorities.There's this myth that you can only relate if you're an AA as opposed to a new immigrant. As for your question about all the Prominent AA's not being able to come with a clear message or some other solution, well you have to remember that there are long established Power Structures in place and overall AA's don't have enough power to get things done on their own. Perhaps they might've been able to if not for the many times over the years where they were purposefully attacked in order to prevent any progress.
You have to remember that they used the FBI and CIA to break up Black Power Movements. They've also destroyed many Black communities that were progressing on their own. This is not an accident that AA's are behind in every facet of Society!!! This was done on purpose! Why do you think they still try to block or limit AA's from voting? In the former Slave States the % of AA is higher and high enough to actually impact Elections. This is why the KKK used Terror to keep AA's from voting.
Rank State African-American Alone
Population (2010)[1] % African-American
1 District of Columbia 305,074 50.08%
2 Mississippi 1,074,200 37.30%
3 Louisiana 1,506,534 32.4%
4 Georgia 3,150,435 31.4%
5 Maryland 1,798,593 30.1%
6 South Carolina 1,290,684 28.48%
7 Alabama 1,251,311 26.38%
8 North Carolina 2,048,628 21.60%This is why they Shot, Lynched and Terrorized AA's to stop them from voting in the South:
Easy Nix, your answer should have been you are doing exactly what he is accusing AA people of not doing. You are posting here everyday to make those points over and over again and not waiting for random white people to do it for you. And you are surely not the only one and basketball firms are surely not the only place that's being done.
meloshouldgo wrote:smackeddog wrote:Knickoftime wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Knickoftime wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Knickoftime wrote:BRIGGS wrote:You want straight talk and discourse or just complain ? You want problem to start getting solved--then you have to hear from both sides.I've done nothing but engage you in discourse. Disagreeing with you and finding fault in your positions is not complaining.
You think you are dead right that Im a racist and so is every white guy right? AA for the most part have great hatred towards whites? and on the other hand white people along with Asian and European are fearful of AA. So we need to do something about that--we need change. Again you just have a self righteous view. You are seeing one side. If AA feels slighted form racism today--can you explain how that is today? How exactly did racism effect your life? A white guy do something to you? A Chinese guy do something bad to you? Dont tell me about 19060 tell me about 2017. I see AA President and every other position. A great deal of fairness exist. People from 1960 must laugh at people today talking about racism--they experienced it--you dont.If you'd like this straight talk discourse to continue ... If YOU want to hear other sides ... It is necessary you answer a question. Straight-forwardly, no hedging, please.
How did you conclude what my race is?
Spoiler warning: I'm a card-carrying white guy.
You're name is Steve Mills--Ive seen you may times. I dont need to conclude anything--I know you're AA.
My name is not Steve Mills, I've never posted here under the name Steve Mills, I do not know who "Steve Mills" is and I am in fact, white.
Answer the question.
. Every last person on this board knows who Steve Mills is and you claim you don't? . Steve its ok--atleast youre getting paid handsomely to post on a Knicks message board. But we wonder why they lose!Wait, so you genuinely think I'm the Executive President of the Knicks?
No, it didn't even occur to me you're referring to that Steve Mills.
Hey Steve, I'm Keith Van Horn- did you know BRIGGS is actually Donald Trump?
I want to be a Batman. But not knowing who Steve Mills is =hilarious.
I didn't make the connection. It simply never occurred to me he was making that insane of a suggestion.
nixluva wrote:arkrud wrote:nixluva wrote:arkrud wrote:nixluva wrote:BRIGGS wrote:It's just reality. I treat all people the same -- I have friends of all creeds colors-- it has no bearing on me. In fact my AA or Asian friends -- guys who grew up in Brooklyn and Ct are all the same way. There is no need to talk about race issues because we have none between each other. Were long term friends. I think in this world you give effort uou can have happiness and success-- no one us held back.
You're world is not representative of the Majority for African Americans so you really have no frame of reference IMO. The Majority of AA's still live in the former Slave States which is also where the majority of Confederate Monuments are and groups like the KKK etc. There is a long standing order of things down here that you simply can't understand if you refuse to listen to those who know from experience.
You really seem to have a lack of understanding that life in other areas may not reflect the experience others live in other areas. It's as if you are intentionally being obtuse about this. You seem to think somehow this is all just being overblown. I would love to have you come down here and talk your nonsense. Let me take you to the areas where the Sons of the Confederacy have their compounds and control of entire towns. They've always been in control and still hold onto that power. You would not be so smug about these things.
You either will remain in ignorance or you can change that and actually LEARN the truth and be enlightened. There are plenty of members on this forum who could help you if you legitimately wanted to learn and expand your knowledge. Why is it that you think the South is so solidly Red and under Republican Control? The percentage of AA per state is highest in the South. It always has been and that is why they used Violence to keep AA's from voting. Now they just pass voter Suppression laws and limit the number of voting locations, but it's the same reasons. CONTROL.
Nix - you seems to be very knowledgeable and deeply involved in AA issues in the South and elsewhere in US.
Leaving in NY/NJ in its multinational fresh-emigrant communities I cannot see the issues you highlight.
The population is so diverse and even African people are mostly not AA but rather later African and Latin American/Caribbean emigrants.
I think Briggs is in the same boat, that's why he cannot relate to many issues you are talking about.
I think your concerns are very valid and live conditions and problems of AA people you describe are real.
One thing I want to understand - why in your opinion the AA people in US and specifically in the South are not coming together with well defined political party and their own political representatives to bring their grievances to the forefront of US political life?
Why with so many prominent AA people in mainstream politics, media, entertainment business, and in all areas of culture they do not come with clear message about the issues and problem like you do? Why instead they are waiting for Democrats or some random White figures to get enlightened about this issues and go to war for AA people?
Part of the problem is that the TRUTH about this country's history is not taught. That's why I always go back and bring it up to the modern era so that there is a sense of perspective of how we got here and why things are so bad for AA's and other minorities.There's this myth that you can only relate if you're an AA as opposed to a new immigrant. As for your question about all the Prominent AA's not being able to come with a clear message or some other solution, well you have to remember that there are long established Power Structures in place and overall AA's don't have enough power to get things done on their own. Perhaps they might've been able to if not for the many times over the years where they were purposefully attacked in order to prevent any progress.
You have to remember that they used the FBI and CIA to break up Black Power Movements. They've also destroyed many Black communities that were progressing on their own. This is not an accident that AA's are behind in every facet of Society!!! This was done on purpose! Why do you think they still try to block or limit AA's from voting? In the former Slave States the % of AA is higher and high enough to actually impact Elections. This is why the KKK used Terror to keep AA's from voting.
Rank State African-American Alone
Population (2010)[1] % African-American
1 District of Columbia 305,074 50.08%
2 Mississippi 1,074,200 37.30%
3 Louisiana 1,506,534 32.4%
4 Georgia 3,150,435 31.4%
5 Maryland 1,798,593 30.1%
6 South Carolina 1,290,684 28.48%
7 Alabama 1,251,311 26.38%
8 North Carolina 2,048,628 21.60%This is why they Shot, Lynched and Terrorized AA's to stop them from voting in the South:
So what you actually mean that due to all this years of oppression from the powerful elites and government low enforcement structures AA leaders are discouraged and scared to stand up and create their own political party outside of mainstream super-parties (Dems and Reps). You also imply that due to media and political misrepresentation of AA community new emigrants from Africa and Caribbean cannot relate and stand up shoulder-to-shoulder to protect their humanity and basic rights. I can see this....
But why do you think it is so difficult to come up with some positive non-destructive and antagonist moment similar to the era when segregation failed under joint effort of many progressive people? What is missing from the puzzle?
You misunderstand me. What I was attempting to show you is that just 5 years after the end of the Civil War AA's had accomplished a LOT! There was the beginning of establishing real institutions and wealth. The only thing that stopped this was Violence and intimidation once the U.S. Troops left the South. Then after they got rid of all the Elected AA officials they enacted laws to subjugate the AA Population again. Any AA Leaders that rose up got cut down!!!What you seem to be missing is that the attacks on the AA Community never stopped. The Systems in place are set up in such a way to perpetuate the Inequality. AA's on their own can only do so much when faced with the onslaught from outside their community. The PLAN has worked so well that AA's don't have the Generational Wealth or Black Owned Institutions that could lead to more success. Destruction of Black Cities like Greenwood known as Black Wall Street or more recently the Housing Bubble and Great Recession decimated AA Wealth. Never mind the totally lopsided Judicial System and Law Enforcement Practices!!!
AA's don't have enough representation in White Society, Big Business or Country Club life. AA's have been corralled into lower income neighborhoods for so long that it creates a negative impact on the community. There are no jobs for AA Youth. It's such a vast system of Oppression that it's extremely difficult to climb out of. Just because a few make it to the higher levels economically doesn't make up for the underlying issues. This is why AA's complain about the SYSTEM being against them.
I am sorry if I misunderstood you.
I understand the history and I will repeat even if you do not like it that many other nations in other couturiers had same and worth experience for hundreds and thousand of years.
And they never solved their issues when they use violence or keep clamoring about the past.
You can repeat the reasons of the AA problems 20 times over but it will not solve any issues and will never make live better for inner cities and South.
People need solutions, need actions, need to come forward and make a change together.
The only way to do it in democratic society is through political process, through unity and political representation.
There are many, including many successful AA people who do not want to lift a finger to help struggling AA communities.
They are not racists of course... but they think if they made it why others still don't?
The African emigrants coming here and jumping to upper middle class in one generation and they are thinking why this inner city people never made it?
Of course they don't know the whole story, or don't want to know.
Time for exudes is over - time for hard work is now. Hard mental work... Time to drop the second class mentality and became the first class, the class of its own.
And educated and passionate people like you should be the first who need to step forward and say we should be better that this, we are better that this.
We should stop standing there with asking hand but organize themselves as political force and take what belongs to us.
This what many minorities did to became relevant and successful even if still hated. But hated for their success. I wish you to experience this type of hate - it is liberating and inspiring.
arkrud wrote:nixluva wrote:arkrud wrote:nixluva wrote:arkrud wrote:nixluva wrote:BRIGGS wrote:It's just reality. I treat all people the same -- I have friends of all creeds colors-- it has no bearing on me. In fact my AA or Asian friends -- guys who grew up in Brooklyn and Ct are all the same way. There is no need to talk about race issues because we have none between each other. Were long term friends. I think in this world you give effort uou can have happiness and success-- no one us held back.
You're world is not representative of the Majority for African Americans so you really have no frame of reference IMO. The Majority of AA's still live in the former Slave States which is also where the majority of Confederate Monuments are and groups like the KKK etc. There is a long standing order of things down here that you simply can't understand if you refuse to listen to those who know from experience.
You really seem to have a lack of understanding that life in other areas may not reflect the experience others live in other areas. It's as if you are intentionally being obtuse about this. You seem to think somehow this is all just being overblown. I would love to have you come down here and talk your nonsense. Let me take you to the areas where the Sons of the Confederacy have their compounds and control of entire towns. They've always been in control and still hold onto that power. You would not be so smug about these things.
You either will remain in ignorance or you can change that and actually LEARN the truth and be enlightened. There are plenty of members on this forum who could help you if you legitimately wanted to learn and expand your knowledge. Why is it that you think the South is so solidly Red and under Republican Control? The percentage of AA per state is highest in the South. It always has been and that is why they used Violence to keep AA's from voting. Now they just pass voter Suppression laws and limit the number of voting locations, but it's the same reasons. CONTROL.
Nix - you seems to be very knowledgeable and deeply involved in AA issues in the South and elsewhere in US.
Leaving in NY/NJ in its multinational fresh-emigrant communities I cannot see the issues you highlight.
The population is so diverse and even African people are mostly not AA but rather later African and Latin American/Caribbean emigrants.
I think Briggs is in the same boat, that's why he cannot relate to many issues you are talking about.
I think your concerns are very valid and live conditions and problems of AA people you describe are real.
One thing I want to understand - why in your opinion the AA people in US and specifically in the South are not coming together with well defined political party and their own political representatives to bring their grievances to the forefront of US political life?
Why with so many prominent AA people in mainstream politics, media, entertainment business, and in all areas of culture they do not come with clear message about the issues and problem like you do? Why instead they are waiting for Democrats or some random White figures to get enlightened about this issues and go to war for AA people?
Part of the problem is that the TRUTH about this country's history is not taught. That's why I always go back and bring it up to the modern era so that there is a sense of perspective of how we got here and why things are so bad for AA's and other minorities.There's this myth that you can only relate if you're an AA as opposed to a new immigrant. As for your question about all the Prominent AA's not being able to come with a clear message or some other solution, well you have to remember that there are long established Power Structures in place and overall AA's don't have enough power to get things done on their own. Perhaps they might've been able to if not for the many times over the years where they were purposefully attacked in order to prevent any progress.
You have to remember that they used the FBI and CIA to break up Black Power Movements. They've also destroyed many Black communities that were progressing on their own. This is not an accident that AA's are behind in every facet of Society!!! This was done on purpose! Why do you think they still try to block or limit AA's from voting? In the former Slave States the % of AA is higher and high enough to actually impact Elections. This is why the KKK used Terror to keep AA's from voting.
Rank State African-American Alone
Population (2010)[1] % African-American
1 District of Columbia 305,074 50.08%
2 Mississippi 1,074,200 37.30%
3 Louisiana 1,506,534 32.4%
4 Georgia 3,150,435 31.4%
5 Maryland 1,798,593 30.1%
6 South Carolina 1,290,684 28.48%
7 Alabama 1,251,311 26.38%
8 North Carolina 2,048,628 21.60%This is why they Shot, Lynched and Terrorized AA's to stop them from voting in the South:
So what you actually mean that due to all this years of oppression from the powerful elites and government low enforcement structures AA leaders are discouraged and scared to stand up and create their own political party outside of mainstream super-parties (Dems and Reps). You also imply that due to media and political misrepresentation of AA community new emigrants from Africa and Caribbean cannot relate and stand up shoulder-to-shoulder to protect their humanity and basic rights. I can see this....
But why do you think it is so difficult to come up with some positive non-destructive and antagonist moment similar to the era when segregation failed under joint effort of many progressive people? What is missing from the puzzle?
You misunderstand me. What I was attempting to show you is that just 5 years after the end of the Civil War AA's had accomplished a LOT! There was the beginning of establishing real institutions and wealth. The only thing that stopped this was Violence and intimidation once the U.S. Troops left the South. Then after they got rid of all the Elected AA officials they enacted laws to subjugate the AA Population again. Any AA Leaders that rose up got cut down!!!What you seem to be missing is that the attacks on the AA Community never stopped. The Systems in place are set up in such a way to perpetuate the Inequality. AA's on their own can only do so much when faced with the onslaught from outside their community. The PLAN has worked so well that AA's don't have the Generational Wealth or Black Owned Institutions that could lead to more success. Destruction of Black Cities like Greenwood known as Black Wall Street or more recently the Housing Bubble and Great Recession decimated AA Wealth. Never mind the totally lopsided Judicial System and Law Enforcement Practices!!!
AA's don't have enough representation in White Society, Big Business or Country Club life. AA's have been corralled into lower income neighborhoods for so long that it creates a negative impact on the community. There are no jobs for AA Youth. It's such a vast system of Oppression that it's extremely difficult to climb out of. Just because a few make it to the higher levels economically doesn't make up for the underlying issues. This is why AA's complain about the SYSTEM being against them.
I am sorry if I misunderstood you.
I understand the history and I will repeat even if you do not like it that many other nations in other couturiers had same and worth experience for hundreds and thousand of years.
And they never solved their issues when they use violence or keep clamoring about the past.
You can repeat the reasons of the AA problems 20 times over but it will not solve any issues and will never make live better for inner cities and South.
People need solutions, need actions, need to come forward and make a change together.
The only way to do it in democratic society is through political process, through unity and political representation.
There are many, including many successful AA people who do not want to lift a finger to help struggling AA communities.
They are not racists of course... but they think if they made it why others still don't?
The African emigrants coming here and jumping to upper middle class in one generation and they are thinking why this inner city people never made it?
Of course they don't know the whole story, or don't want to know.
Time for exudes is over - time for hard work is now. Hard mental work... Time to drop the second class mentality and became the first class, the class of its own.
And educated and passionate people like you should be the first who need to step forward and say we should be better that this, we are better that this.
We should stop standing there with asking hand but organize themselves as political force and take what belongs to us.
This what many minorities did to became relevant and successful even if still hated. But hated for their success. I wish you to experience this type of hate - it is liberating and inspiring.
I'm afraid you will never understand the depth and complexity of these issues. Just cuz a few African Immigrants were able to come here and be successful doesn't mean ALL of them have been able to do so. You have to know the circumstances of each case which you don't. Many of these successes stories are from highly educated people as opposed to some poor person without benefit of high education. Besides this is a drop in the bucket in comparison to the 47 million AA's.
You keep ignoring all the evidence I've presented to explain the SYSTEMIC impediments working against AA's. These systemic issues can trap anyone at any time. The point isn't to look at the exceptions who made it out but to GET RID OF THE IMPEDIMENTS that artificially disadvantage AA's and other minorities.
Case in point is unfair Banking Practices. I posted about this earlier in this thread. These are practices that are done without AA's knowledge. You can't understand this cuz you're not an African American but if you were it could effect you. Again this isn't about individual cases but entire Racial and ethnic groups!
nixluva wrote:arkrud wrote:nixluva wrote:arkrud wrote:nixluva wrote:arkrud wrote:nixluva wrote:BRIGGS wrote:It's just reality. I treat all people the same -- I have friends of all creeds colors-- it has no bearing on me. In fact my AA or Asian friends -- guys who grew up in Brooklyn and Ct are all the same way. There is no need to talk about race issues because we have none between each other. Were long term friends. I think in this world you give effort uou can have happiness and success-- no one us held back.
You're world is not representative of the Majority for African Americans so you really have no frame of reference IMO. The Majority of AA's still live in the former Slave States which is also where the majority of Confederate Monuments are and groups like the KKK etc. There is a long standing order of things down here that you simply can't understand if you refuse to listen to those who know from experience.
You really seem to have a lack of understanding that life in other areas may not reflect the experience others live in other areas. It's as if you are intentionally being obtuse about this. You seem to think somehow this is all just being overblown. I would love to have you come down here and talk your nonsense. Let me take you to the areas where the Sons of the Confederacy have their compounds and control of entire towns. They've always been in control and still hold onto that power. You would not be so smug about these things.
You either will remain in ignorance or you can change that and actually LEARN the truth and be enlightened. There are plenty of members on this forum who could help you if you legitimately wanted to learn and expand your knowledge. Why is it that you think the South is so solidly Red and under Republican Control? The percentage of AA per state is highest in the South. It always has been and that is why they used Violence to keep AA's from voting. Now they just pass voter Suppression laws and limit the number of voting locations, but it's the same reasons. CONTROL.
Nix - you seems to be very knowledgeable and deeply involved in AA issues in the South and elsewhere in US.
Leaving in NY/NJ in its multinational fresh-emigrant communities I cannot see the issues you highlight.
The population is so diverse and even African people are mostly not AA but rather later African and Latin American/Caribbean emigrants.
I think Briggs is in the same boat, that's why he cannot relate to many issues you are talking about.
I think your concerns are very valid and live conditions and problems of AA people you describe are real.
One thing I want to understand - why in your opinion the AA people in US and specifically in the South are not coming together with well defined political party and their own political representatives to bring their grievances to the forefront of US political life?
Why with so many prominent AA people in mainstream politics, media, entertainment business, and in all areas of culture they do not come with clear message about the issues and problem like you do? Why instead they are waiting for Democrats or some random White figures to get enlightened about this issues and go to war for AA people?
Part of the problem is that the TRUTH about this country's history is not taught. That's why I always go back and bring it up to the modern era so that there is a sense of perspective of how we got here and why things are so bad for AA's and other minorities.There's this myth that you can only relate if you're an AA as opposed to a new immigrant. As for your question about all the Prominent AA's not being able to come with a clear message or some other solution, well you have to remember that there are long established Power Structures in place and overall AA's don't have enough power to get things done on their own. Perhaps they might've been able to if not for the many times over the years where they were purposefully attacked in order to prevent any progress.
You have to remember that they used the FBI and CIA to break up Black Power Movements. They've also destroyed many Black communities that were progressing on their own. This is not an accident that AA's are behind in every facet of Society!!! This was done on purpose! Why do you think they still try to block or limit AA's from voting? In the former Slave States the % of AA is higher and high enough to actually impact Elections. This is why the KKK used Terror to keep AA's from voting.
Rank State African-American Alone
Population (2010)[1] % African-American
1 District of Columbia 305,074 50.08%
2 Mississippi 1,074,200 37.30%
3 Louisiana 1,506,534 32.4%
4 Georgia 3,150,435 31.4%
5 Maryland 1,798,593 30.1%
6 South Carolina 1,290,684 28.48%
7 Alabama 1,251,311 26.38%
8 North Carolina 2,048,628 21.60%This is why they Shot, Lynched and Terrorized AA's to stop them from voting in the South:
So what you actually mean that due to all this years of oppression from the powerful elites and government low enforcement structures AA leaders are discouraged and scared to stand up and create their own political party outside of mainstream super-parties (Dems and Reps). You also imply that due to media and political misrepresentation of AA community new emigrants from Africa and Caribbean cannot relate and stand up shoulder-to-shoulder to protect their humanity and basic rights. I can see this....
But why do you think it is so difficult to come up with some positive non-destructive and antagonist moment similar to the era when segregation failed under joint effort of many progressive people? What is missing from the puzzle?
You misunderstand me. What I was attempting to show you is that just 5 years after the end of the Civil War AA's had accomplished a LOT! There was the beginning of establishing real institutions and wealth. The only thing that stopped this was Violence and intimidation once the U.S. Troops left the South. Then after they got rid of all the Elected AA officials they enacted laws to subjugate the AA Population again. Any AA Leaders that rose up got cut down!!!What you seem to be missing is that the attacks on the AA Community never stopped. The Systems in place are set up in such a way to perpetuate the Inequality. AA's on their own can only do so much when faced with the onslaught from outside their community. The PLAN has worked so well that AA's don't have the Generational Wealth or Black Owned Institutions that could lead to more success. Destruction of Black Cities like Greenwood known as Black Wall Street or more recently the Housing Bubble and Great Recession decimated AA Wealth. Never mind the totally lopsided Judicial System and Law Enforcement Practices!!!
AA's don't have enough representation in White Society, Big Business or Country Club life. AA's have been corralled into lower income neighborhoods for so long that it creates a negative impact on the community. There are no jobs for AA Youth. It's such a vast system of Oppression that it's extremely difficult to climb out of. Just because a few make it to the higher levels economically doesn't make up for the underlying issues. This is why AA's complain about the SYSTEM being against them.
I am sorry if I misunderstood you.
I understand the history and I will repeat even if you do not like it that many other nations in other couturiers had same and worth experience for hundreds and thousand of years.
And they never solved their issues when they use violence or keep clamoring about the past.
You can repeat the reasons of the AA problems 20 times over but it will not solve any issues and will never make live better for inner cities and South.
People need solutions, need actions, need to come forward and make a change together.
The only way to do it in democratic society is through political process, through unity and political representation.
There are many, including many successful AA people who do not want to lift a finger to help struggling AA communities.
They are not racists of course... but they think if they made it why others still don't?
The African emigrants coming here and jumping to upper middle class in one generation and they are thinking why this inner city people never made it?
Of course they don't know the whole story, or don't want to know.
Time for exudes is over - time for hard work is now. Hard mental work... Time to drop the second class mentality and became the first class, the class of its own.
And educated and passionate people like you should be the first who need to step forward and say we should be better that this, we are better that this.
We should stop standing there with asking hand but organize themselves as political force and take what belongs to us.
This what many minorities did to became relevant and successful even if still hated. But hated for their success. I wish you to experience this type of hate - it is liberating and inspiring.I'm afraid you will never understand the depth and complexity of these issues. Just cuz a few African Immigrants were able to come here and be successful doesn't mean ALL of them have been able to do so. You have to know the circumstances of each case which you don't. Many of these successes stories are from highly educated people as opposed to some poor person without benefit of high education. Besides this is a drop in the bucket in comparison to the 47 million AA's.
You keep ignoring all the evidence I've presented to explain the SYSTEMIC impediments working against AA's. These systemic issues can trap anyone at any time. The point isn't to look at the exceptions who made it out but to GET RID OF THE IMPEDIMENTS that artificially disadvantage AA's and other minorities.
Case in point is unfair Banking Practices. I posted about this earlier in this thread. These are practices that are done without AA's knowledge. You can't understand this cuz you're not an African American but if you were it could effect you. Again this isn't about individual cases but entire Racial and ethnic groups!
I saw this issues with my own eyes when I drive through some neighborhoods and I was leaving in Brooklyn. I am not blind.
But I think you are wrong about how many successful AA people are around in US and how many successful new emigrants from all over the world are made good for themselves, their families, and their communities.
The vicious cycle of poverty, crime, drugs, and resentment is hard to break. But many great people did it and open themselves and their children to better life.
This is worth celebrating not only getting noticed and for some reason you left them out and pointing only to those who still suffering.
We need to help each other not look for somebody or something to blame. This does no good.
You can drug some Confederate statue to the ground an bit it with a stick all day long. Will it make life of anyone better?
arkrud wrote:nixluva wrote:arkrud wrote:nixluva wrote:arkrud wrote:nixluva wrote:arkrud wrote:nixluva wrote:BRIGGS wrote:It's just reality. I treat all people the same -- I have friends of all creeds colors-- it has no bearing on me. In fact my AA or Asian friends -- guys who grew up in Brooklyn and Ct are all the same way. There is no need to talk about race issues because we have none between each other. Were long term friends. I think in this world you give effort uou can have happiness and success-- no one us held back.
You're world is not representative of the Majority for African Americans so you really have no frame of reference IMO. The Majority of AA's still live in the former Slave States which is also where the majority of Confederate Monuments are and groups like the KKK etc. There is a long standing order of things down here that you simply can't understand if you refuse to listen to those who know from experience.
You really seem to have a lack of understanding that life in other areas may not reflect the experience others live in other areas. It's as if you are intentionally being obtuse about this. You seem to think somehow this is all just being overblown. I would love to have you come down here and talk your nonsense. Let me take you to the areas where the Sons of the Confederacy have their compounds and control of entire towns. They've always been in control and still hold onto that power. You would not be so smug about these things.
You either will remain in ignorance or you can change that and actually LEARN the truth and be enlightened. There are plenty of members on this forum who could help you if you legitimately wanted to learn and expand your knowledge. Why is it that you think the South is so solidly Red and under Republican Control? The percentage of AA per state is highest in the South. It always has been and that is why they used Violence to keep AA's from voting. Now they just pass voter Suppression laws and limit the number of voting locations, but it's the same reasons. CONTROL.
Nix - you seems to be very knowledgeable and deeply involved in AA issues in the South and elsewhere in US.
Leaving in NY/NJ in its multinational fresh-emigrant communities I cannot see the issues you highlight.
The population is so diverse and even African people are mostly not AA but rather later African and Latin American/Caribbean emigrants.
I think Briggs is in the same boat, that's why he cannot relate to many issues you are talking about.
I think your concerns are very valid and live conditions and problems of AA people you describe are real.
One thing I want to understand - why in your opinion the AA people in US and specifically in the South are not coming together with well defined political party and their own political representatives to bring their grievances to the forefront of US political life?
Why with so many prominent AA people in mainstream politics, media, entertainment business, and in all areas of culture they do not come with clear message about the issues and problem like you do? Why instead they are waiting for Democrats or some random White figures to get enlightened about this issues and go to war for AA people?
Part of the problem is that the TRUTH about this country's history is not taught. That's why I always go back and bring it up to the modern era so that there is a sense of perspective of how we got here and why things are so bad for AA's and other minorities.There's this myth that you can only relate if you're an AA as opposed to a new immigrant. As for your question about all the Prominent AA's not being able to come with a clear message or some other solution, well you have to remember that there are long established Power Structures in place and overall AA's don't have enough power to get things done on their own. Perhaps they might've been able to if not for the many times over the years where they were purposefully attacked in order to prevent any progress.
You have to remember that they used the FBI and CIA to break up Black Power Movements. They've also destroyed many Black communities that were progressing on their own. This is not an accident that AA's are behind in every facet of Society!!! This was done on purpose! Why do you think they still try to block or limit AA's from voting? In the former Slave States the % of AA is higher and high enough to actually impact Elections. This is why the KKK used Terror to keep AA's from voting.
Rank State African-American Alone
Population (2010)[1] % African-American
1 District of Columbia 305,074 50.08%
2 Mississippi 1,074,200 37.30%
3 Louisiana 1,506,534 32.4%
4 Georgia 3,150,435 31.4%
5 Maryland 1,798,593 30.1%
6 South Carolina 1,290,684 28.48%
7 Alabama 1,251,311 26.38%
8 North Carolina 2,048,628 21.60%This is why they Shot, Lynched and Terrorized AA's to stop them from voting in the South:
So what you actually mean that due to all this years of oppression from the powerful elites and government low enforcement structures AA leaders are discouraged and scared to stand up and create their own political party outside of mainstream super-parties (Dems and Reps). You also imply that due to media and political misrepresentation of AA community new emigrants from Africa and Caribbean cannot relate and stand up shoulder-to-shoulder to protect their humanity and basic rights. I can see this....
But why do you think it is so difficult to come up with some positive non-destructive and antagonist moment similar to the era when segregation failed under joint effort of many progressive people? What is missing from the puzzle?
You misunderstand me. What I was attempting to show you is that just 5 years after the end of the Civil War AA's had accomplished a LOT! There was the beginning of establishing real institutions and wealth. The only thing that stopped this was Violence and intimidation once the U.S. Troops left the South. Then after they got rid of all the Elected AA officials they enacted laws to subjugate the AA Population again. Any AA Leaders that rose up got cut down!!!What you seem to be missing is that the attacks on the AA Community never stopped. The Systems in place are set up in such a way to perpetuate the Inequality. AA's on their own can only do so much when faced with the onslaught from outside their community. The PLAN has worked so well that AA's don't have the Generational Wealth or Black Owned Institutions that could lead to more success. Destruction of Black Cities like Greenwood known as Black Wall Street or more recently the Housing Bubble and Great Recession decimated AA Wealth. Never mind the totally lopsided Judicial System and Law Enforcement Practices!!!
AA's don't have enough representation in White Society, Big Business or Country Club life. AA's have been corralled into lower income neighborhoods for so long that it creates a negative impact on the community. There are no jobs for AA Youth. It's such a vast system of Oppression that it's extremely difficult to climb out of. Just because a few make it to the higher levels economically doesn't make up for the underlying issues. This is why AA's complain about the SYSTEM being against them.
I am sorry if I misunderstood you.
I understand the history and I will repeat even if you do not like it that many other nations in other couturiers had same and worth experience for hundreds and thousand of years.
And they never solved their issues when they use violence or keep clamoring about the past.
You can repeat the reasons of the AA problems 20 times over but it will not solve any issues and will never make live better for inner cities and South.
People need solutions, need actions, need to come forward and make a change together.
The only way to do it in democratic society is through political process, through unity and political representation.
There are many, including many successful AA people who do not want to lift a finger to help struggling AA communities.
They are not racists of course... but they think if they made it why others still don't?
The African emigrants coming here and jumping to upper middle class in one generation and they are thinking why this inner city people never made it?
Of course they don't know the whole story, or don't want to know.
Time for exudes is over - time for hard work is now. Hard mental work... Time to drop the second class mentality and became the first class, the class of its own.
And educated and passionate people like you should be the first who need to step forward and say we should be better that this, we are better that this.
We should stop standing there with asking hand but organize themselves as political force and take what belongs to us.
This what many minorities did to became relevant and successful even if still hated. But hated for their success. I wish you to experience this type of hate - it is liberating and inspiring.I'm afraid you will never understand the depth and complexity of these issues. Just cuz a few African Immigrants were able to come here and be successful doesn't mean ALL of them have been able to do so. You have to know the circumstances of each case which you don't. Many of these successes stories are from highly educated people as opposed to some poor person without benefit of high education. Besides this is a drop in the bucket in comparison to the 47 million AA's.
You keep ignoring all the evidence I've presented to explain the SYSTEMIC impediments working against AA's. These systemic issues can trap anyone at any time. The point isn't to look at the exceptions who made it out but to GET RID OF THE IMPEDIMENTS that artificially disadvantage AA's and other minorities.
Case in point is unfair Banking Practices. I posted about this earlier in this thread. These are practices that are done without AA's knowledge. You can't understand this cuz you're not an African American but if you were it could effect you. Again this isn't about individual cases but entire Racial and ethnic groups!
I saw this issues with my own eyes when I drive through some neighborhoods and I was leaving in Brooklyn. I am not blind.
But I think you are wrong about how many successful AA people are around in US and how many successful new emigrants from all over the world are made good for themselves, their families, and their communities.
The vicious cycle of poverty, crime, drugs, and resentment is hard to break. But many great people did it and open themselves and their children to better life.
This is worth celebrating not only getting noticed and for some reason you left them out and pointing only to those who still suffering.
We need to help each other not look for somebody or something to blame. This does no good.
You can drug some Confederate statue to the ground an bit it with a stick all day long. Will it make life of anyone better?
Let me clarify something, I am not saying that there aren't many AA's doing well or overcoming the impact of historic oppression. OBVIOUSLY there are! In fact I live in Georgia and the city of Atlanta is like a Black Mecca! The problem is that the statistics show that in every single metric AA's are behind the White population and that is understandable given all the things I've been posting about.
The SYSTEMIC disadvantages have been ravaging the AA, Hispanic and Native American communities since Colonial times. The disadvantages were intentionally built into this country's systems!!! Until White Americans ALSO accept and desire to remove these things this country will continue to be held back.
I should also add that these problems extend not only to Race but Class as well. The system is too slanted towards the wealthy and against the poor and middle class. This is also not an accident!!!