Knicks · What this team needs going 4 ward (page 2)
reub wrote:nixluva wrote:Well Nitty doesn't look like he's gonna have major problems adjusting to the NBA Level. We know the kind of talent KP and Willy are showing. Kuz is looking stronger and more confident. THJ could be hitting his stride. There's enough positive going on with this team to be optimistic about the coming season.Frank is going to be a Kawhi-level star. He might be very good even in his first season. We are blessed to have him.
I still can't get over how big he is. Not just the length but he can shoot over smaller PG's with ease. The versatility as a PG/SG is going to be very interesting to see.
GustavBahler wrote:^ At least he isnt copying and pasting insults....
It wasn't an insult. Just calling it what it is. Did it twice to demonstrate that almost every thread is basically the same argument made using different angles. There is no point in providing rational arguments. The man wants what he wants and nothing else matters.
newyorknewyork wrote:GustavBahler wrote:^ At least he isnt copying and pasting insults....It wasn't an insult. Just calling it what it is. Did it twice to demonstrate that almost every thread is basically the same argument made using different angles. There is no point in providing rational arguments. The man wants what he wants and nothing else matters.
Im sure you've seen me lose it in a response to 1248 before. I know sometimes it comes off as borderline trolling, but Ive read far worse. And I dont believe copying and pasting disses is the way to go. You're a much better contributor and poster than that, IMO.
GustavBahler wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:GustavBahler wrote:^ At least he isnt copying and pasting insults....It wasn't an insult. Just calling it what it is. Did it twice to demonstrate that almost every thread is basically the same argument made using different angles. There is no point in providing rational arguments. The man wants what he wants and nothing else matters.
Im sure you've seen me lose it in a response to 1248 before. I know sometimes it comes off as borderline trolling, but Ive read far worse. And I dont believe copying and pasting disses is the way to go. You're a much better contributor and poster than that, IMO.
Its the offseason. I'll get my game right when the season starts.
newyorknewyork wrote:GustavBahler wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:GustavBahler wrote:^ At least he isnt copying and pasting insults....It wasn't an insult. Just calling it what it is. Did it twice to demonstrate that almost every thread is basically the same argument made using different angles. There is no point in providing rational arguments. The man wants what he wants and nothing else matters.
Im sure you've seen me lose it in a response to 1248 before. I know sometimes it comes off as borderline trolling, but Ive read far worse. And I dont believe copying and pasting disses is the way to go. You're a much better contributor and poster than that, IMO.
Its the offseason. I'll get my game right when the season starts.
Ditto, lol
BRIGGS wrote:One big thing we lack--a player who controls the dribble who can make plays--we do NOT have 1 right now
Bill Parcells "Success Tree"
1) Just get to .500
2) Beat every team you are "supposed to beat", beat every team you shouldn't beat, 2 out of 3 times.
3) Win your division and focus on winning against specifically the talent base in your division
4) Just get to the playoffs, once in the playoffs, anything can happen
5) If you get into the playoffs, play fundamental and disciplined ball
Tons of cart before the horse in this thread.
Knicks just need to focus on getting to .500 first.
Teams in the Knicks position need to go after VALUE and ASSETS and stockpile them. Teams like the Warriors can focus on BEST ROSTER FIT BASED ON NEED.
If the best player on the board when the Knicks draft is a PF, and they already have 6 PFs, then you take the best player available and hope he pans out and sort the rest out later. Only when you have two players equally rated do you pick positional value( i.e. a wing over a PF)
Philly got Fultz and still have options because they stockpiled VALUE and ASSETS. Boston got Irving, same thing. Houston got Paul and Harden, same thing. You can argue if these were good decisions overall, but the resource management side, the stockpile of assets and flexibility meant these teams were prime to strike when an opportunity arose.
Knicks need to fill the warchest. Just take the Best Player Available. If you can trade 3 quarters for a dollar, do it. Two dimes for quarter, do it. 4 pennies into a nickel, do it. Real progress is made incrementally. There are no quick fixes.
Willy
KP
THj
Frank
play together. Maybe Lance Thomas can come in and ignite the defense. He's a good 3nD guy. He can help on both ends without high usage.
My main concern is we're not going to get a fair look at these players because Melo is on the team. Melo is a great scorer so he will get 15-20 shots off and a high usage. We need to have a good long look at Willy/KP/3/THj/Frank with Baker also getting some time to see what sort of holes are there.
Knixkik wrote:franco12 wrote:BRIGGS wrote:One big thing we lack--a player who controls the dribble who can make plays--we do NOT have 1 right nowIm not counting on Noah and I think Oquinn is a goner next year--so we need a 4/5 who is 6-9 245 who can play basketball. Also Im not sure about KP's durability.
Were going to need a little more size and skill from the 3 long term. I like Beasley for this years team as a 6th or 7th man--but hes signed to a 1 yr contract and it will be up in the air what he brings.
I think SG were all set unless we find a player who is just dominant in the draft and happens to play 2 guard.
Kinda wished we had picked DSjr. After watching him (admittedly, very little) in summer league, I don't think he was going to suffer from D Rose's can't run an offense disease.
I'm still not convinced he would have been the best fit here. He seems to lack the leadership ability similar to Marbury, Francis, Rose etc. Ntilikina seems to have a much better personality for New York and the PG position.
Where do people get this from. Any high usage guard is automatically a poor leader.High usage guards are dominating the NBA right now. Dennis Smith jr. was schemed against every time he went on the floor and was still highly productive. However I do agree with how the Knicks built their roster he probably isn't the best fit, especially with Melo and Hardaway Jr. here. I just don't get the constant comparisons to malcontents like Francis, and Marbury when the kid hasn't played an NBA game. I see a guy built for todays game.
newyorknewyork wrote:
Ball dominant guards come along every year. Players like Frank are harder to come by. And even if Frank's flaws all becomes real in terms of penitration. He would still be the perfect compliment too any ball dominant guard we would acquire in the future. Jist like Kidd was able to elevate Feltons PG responsibilities.Franks skill set would allow you to have a Rose and not torpedo your offense. With KP, Willy, Frank. If Frank isnt a stud PG. Any PG we acquire would have a he'll of a cast to play with to make his job easier I will tell you that.
This I agree with about Frank, he does offer the Knicks a great amount of flexibility but he needs to be able to play PG at an average NBA starter level for us to maximize it. Smallish 2 guards that can fill it up are always available in the late lottery because while they offer scoring ability they get you killed on the defensive end. A guy like Frank who can guard wings allow the Knicks to draft a 6th man type combo guard but not lose anything defensively.
newyorknewyork wrote:Knickoftime wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Knickoftime wrote:nixluva wrote:Knickoftime wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Knickoftime wrote:BRIGGS wrote:One big thing we lack--a player who controls the dribble who can make plays--we do NOT have 1 right nowIm not counting on Noah and I think Oquinn is a goner next year--so we need a 4/5 who is 6-9 245 who can play basketball. Also Im not sure about KP's durability.
Were going to need a little more size and skill from the 3 long term. I like Beasley for this years team as a 6th or 7th man--but hes signed to a 1 yr contract and it will be up in the air what he brings.
I think SG were all set unless we find a player who is just dominant in the draft and happens to play 2 guard.
Since you think the Knicks are winning "25 games tops," one of those players should be available via a good draft pick.
mills doesn't want that type of player, so even there were 10 available, according to him, he would have still picked frank
When did he say that?
This is what I found about Mills take on Nitty:
Javascript is not enabled or there was problem with the URL: https://twitter.com/adamzagoria/status/887017817798737920
Click here to view the TweetUnless I'm misreading the tweet, it in no way says Mills doesn't want a "player who controls the dribble who can make plays"
Only a moron concludes because he endorses picking Ntilikina this draft that he doesn't want that type of player ever.
he's not going to be around long enough to see any of these players develop if they don't start winning, like this season
Well, that has nothing whatsoever to do with your claim about what type of players Mills doesn't want. That was still stupid.
Knicks1248 only cares about his own instant satisfaction of seeing the Knicks win immediately. He will try to finesse it to look like its whats best for the Knicks. But at the end of the day its only to feed his own desire for immediate satisfaction.
WHAT THE heck are you talking about, we haven't won sht in 44 yrs, and have had 3 consecutive lottery season.
you guys think by pressing the reset button every season, we should disregard the pass. immediate satisfaction?? don't make me laugh.
same regime and we/I should "BE Patient"...oooooohhh this time it's going to work, we just need 5 more losing season to make in 9 in row, and we should be contending...gtfo with the BS
when Isaiah took over- be patient
when walsh took over- be patient
when grunwald took over- be patient
when mills took over- be patient
when phil took over- be patient
now mills is taken over again-I should be patient, he's the man that knows how to build a contender Right ? we have so much evidence of that..
some of you are at the point where you will support any regime that comes in with a plan, and I will too, but after too many fck ups, I'm done. I don't see any melo haters saying, this is a new season lets give melo the benefit(you want him gone, end of story) we'll, I feel the same way about the FO
knicks1248 wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Knickoftime wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Knickoftime wrote:nixluva wrote:Knickoftime wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Knickoftime wrote:BRIGGS wrote:One big thing we lack--a player who controls the dribble who can make plays--we do NOT have 1 right nowIm not counting on Noah and I think Oquinn is a goner next year--so we need a 4/5 who is 6-9 245 who can play basketball. Also Im not sure about KP's durability.
Were going to need a little more size and skill from the 3 long term. I like Beasley for this years team as a 6th or 7th man--but hes signed to a 1 yr contract and it will be up in the air what he brings.
I think SG were all set unless we find a player who is just dominant in the draft and happens to play 2 guard.
Since you think the Knicks are winning "25 games tops," one of those players should be available via a good draft pick.
mills doesn't want that type of player, so even there were 10 available, according to him, he would have still picked frank
When did he say that?
This is what I found about Mills take on Nitty:
Javascript is not enabled or there was problem with the URL: https://twitter.com/adamzagoria/status/887017817798737920
Click here to view the TweetUnless I'm misreading the tweet, it in no way says Mills doesn't want a "player who controls the dribble who can make plays"
Only a moron concludes because he endorses picking Ntilikina this draft that he doesn't want that type of player ever.
he's not going to be around long enough to see any of these players develop if they don't start winning, like this season
Well, that has nothing whatsoever to do with your claim about what type of players Mills doesn't want. That was still stupid.
Knicks1248 only cares about his own instant satisfaction of seeing the Knicks win immediately. He will try to finesse it to look like its whats best for the Knicks. But at the end of the day its only to feed his own desire for immediate satisfaction.
WHAT THE heck are you talking about, we haven't won sht in 44 yrs, and have had 3 consecutive lottery season.
you guys think by pressing the reset button every season, we should disregard the pass. immediate satisfaction?? don't make me laugh.same regime and we/I should "BE Patient"...oooooohhh this time it's going to work, we just need 5 more losing season to make in 9 in row, and we should be contending...gtfo with the BS
when Isaiah took over- be patient
when walsh took over- be patient
when grunwald took over- be patient
when mills took over- be patient
when phil took over- be patient
now mills is taken over again-I should be patient, he's the man that knows how to build a contender Right ? we have so much evidence of that..some of you are at the point where you will support any regime that comes in with a plan, and I will too, but after too many fck ups, I'm done. I don't see any melo haters saying, this is a new season lets give melo the benefit(you want him gone, end of story) we'll, I feel the same way about the FO
People say to let things play out because the alternative is coming here for the daily communal shit fit. If you've already made up your mind that its hopeless, pointless, why even follow the Knicks?
You seem to be suggesting that there isnt a point to it. If you have come to that decision, you should just move on. Why torture yourself?
knicks1248 wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Knickoftime wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Knickoftime wrote:nixluva wrote:Knickoftime wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Knickoftime wrote:BRIGGS wrote:One big thing we lack--a player who controls the dribble who can make plays--we do NOT have 1 right nowIm not counting on Noah and I think Oquinn is a goner next year--so we need a 4/5 who is 6-9 245 who can play basketball. Also Im not sure about KP's durability.
Were going to need a little more size and skill from the 3 long term. I like Beasley for this years team as a 6th or 7th man--but hes signed to a 1 yr contract and it will be up in the air what he brings.
I think SG were all set unless we find a player who is just dominant in the draft and happens to play 2 guard.
Since you think the Knicks are winning "25 games tops," one of those players should be available via a good draft pick.
mills doesn't want that type of player, so even there were 10 available, according to him, he would have still picked frank
When did he say that?
This is what I found about Mills take on Nitty:
Javascript is not enabled or there was problem with the URL: https://twitter.com/adamzagoria/status/887017817798737920
Click here to view the TweetUnless I'm misreading the tweet, it in no way says Mills doesn't want a "player who controls the dribble who can make plays"
Only a moron concludes because he endorses picking Ntilikina this draft that he doesn't want that type of player ever.
he's not going to be around long enough to see any of these players develop if they don't start winning, like this season
Well, that has nothing whatsoever to do with your claim about what type of players Mills doesn't want. That was still stupid.
Knicks1248 only cares about his own instant satisfaction of seeing the Knicks win immediately. He will try to finesse it to look like its whats best for the Knicks. But at the end of the day its only to feed his own desire for immediate satisfaction.
WHAT THE heck are you talking about, we haven't won sht in 44 yrs, and have had 3 consecutive lottery season.
you guys think by pressing the reset button every season, we should disregard the pass. immediate satisfaction?? don't make me laugh.same regime and we/I should "BE Patient"...oooooohhh this time it's going to work, we just need 5 more losing season to make in 9 in row, and we should be contending...gtfo with the BS
when Isaiah took over- be patient
when walsh took over- be patient
when grunwald took over- be patient
when mills took over- be patient
when phil took over- be patient
now mills is taken over again-I should be patient, he's the man that knows how to build a contender Right ? we have so much evidence of that..some of you are at the point where you will support any regime that comes in with a plan, and I will too, but after too many fck ups, I'm done. I don't see any melo haters saying, this is a new season lets give melo the benefit(you want him gone, end of story) we'll, I feel the same way about the FO
What your saying would only be relevant if the Knicks have been using the same prpress of building with youth through the draft all those regimes yet continued to fail. We both know that hasnt been the case. In fact what you have been preaching is the blue print that those regimes sand Walsh followed. So your preaching the same formula that the Knicks have been failing at over these years. Yet then complain that they need to continue to do the same formula that has lead to failure because they haven't won in 44 years.
Regardless of any of that. Given the Knicks current situation. Rebuilding with youth is the best choice for this club. Carmelo if he stays will opt out or at most has 2 years left. Noah, Lee will probably decline over the next 2 yrs. If the Knicks are to win it needs to be due to the youth since they are the ones that have long term potential with the club. Knicks need to add one more cost controlled impact player. Then they can go so all in trying to win after the next draft.
If we land a stud then our foundation is set to be a playoff team over multiple seasons with youth that can maintain success more than one season. If he isn't a stud we are in the same boat as we are now. But can still look to go all in going forward. Example packaging Lee with 2 future first round picks. Plus cap space available when Melo opts out.
Jmpasq wrote:Knixkik wrote:franco12 wrote:BRIGGS wrote:One big thing we lack--a player who controls the dribble who can make plays--we do NOT have 1 right nowIm not counting on Noah and I think Oquinn is a goner next year--so we need a 4/5 who is 6-9 245 who can play basketball. Also Im not sure about KP's durability.
Were going to need a little more size and skill from the 3 long term. I like Beasley for this years team as a 6th or 7th man--but hes signed to a 1 yr contract and it will be up in the air what he brings.
I think SG were all set unless we find a player who is just dominant in the draft and happens to play 2 guard.
Kinda wished we had picked DSjr. After watching him (admittedly, very little) in summer league, I don't think he was going to suffer from D Rose's can't run an offense disease.
I'm still not convinced he would have been the best fit here. He seems to lack the leadership ability similar to Marbury, Francis, Rose etc. Ntilikina seems to have a much better personality for New York and the PG position.
Where do people get this from. Any high usage guard is automatically a poor leader.High usage guards are dominating the NBA right now. Dennis Smith jr. was schemed against every time he went on the floor and was still highly productive. However I do agree with how the Knicks built their roster he probably isn't the best fit, especially with Melo and Hardaway Jr. here. I just don't get the constant comparisons to malcontents like Francis, and Marbury when the kid hasn't played an NBA game. I see a guy built for todays game.
I see a guy who didn't even lift a finger on defense in college. That's a big red flag to me.
reub wrote:Jmpasq wrote:Knixkik wrote:franco12 wrote:BRIGGS wrote:One big thing we lack--a player who controls the dribble who can make plays--we do NOT have 1 right nowIm not counting on Noah and I think Oquinn is a goner next year--so we need a 4/5 who is 6-9 245 who can play basketball. Also Im not sure about KP's durability.
Were going to need a little more size and skill from the 3 long term. I like Beasley for this years team as a 6th or 7th man--but hes signed to a 1 yr contract and it will be up in the air what he brings.
I think SG were all set unless we find a player who is just dominant in the draft and happens to play 2 guard.
Kinda wished we had picked DSjr. After watching him (admittedly, very little) in summer league, I don't think he was going to suffer from D Rose's can't run an offense disease.
I'm still not convinced he would have been the best fit here. He seems to lack the leadership ability similar to Marbury, Francis, Rose etc. Ntilikina seems to have a much better personality for New York and the PG position.
Where do people get this from. Any high usage guard is automatically a poor leader.High usage guards are dominating the NBA right now. Dennis Smith jr. was schemed against every time he went on the floor and was still highly productive. However I do agree with how the Knicks built their roster he probably isn't the best fit, especially with Melo and Hardaway Jr. here. I just don't get the constant comparisons to malcontents like Francis, and Marbury when the kid hasn't played an NBA game. I see a guy built for todays game.
I see a guy who didn't even lift a finger on defense in college. That's a big red flag to me.
Exactly. Phil realized if the Knicks were ever going to be serious contenders in the playoffs the defense would have to improve and Frank is a big part of that plan. Phil's recognition of the need and determination to improve the defense could be seen when he consistently praised Ron Baker's willingness to get after it on that end of the floor.
nixluva wrote:Knickoftime wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Knickoftime wrote:BRIGGS wrote:One big thing we lack--a player who controls the dribble who can make plays--we do NOT have 1 right nowIm not counting on Noah and I think Oquinn is a goner next year--so we need a 4/5 who is 6-9 245 who can play basketball. Also Im not sure about KP's durability.
Were going to need a little more size and skill from the 3 long term. I like Beasley for this years team as a 6th or 7th man--but hes signed to a 1 yr contract and it will be up in the air what he brings.
I think SG were all set unless we find a player who is just dominant in the draft and happens to play 2 guard.
Since you think the Knicks are winning "25 games tops," one of those players should be available via a good draft pick.
mills doesn't want that type of player, so even there were 10 available, according to him, he would have still picked frank
When did he say that?
This is what I found about Mills take on Nitty:
Javascript is not enabled or there was problem with the URL: https://twitter.com/adamzagoria/status/887017817798737920
Click here to view the Tweet
He's not gonna say he wouldn't of picked Nitty.
knicks1248 wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Knickoftime wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Knickoftime wrote:nixluva wrote:Knickoftime wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Knickoftime wrote:BRIGGS wrote:One big thing we lack--a player who controls the dribble who can make plays--we do NOT have 1 right nowIm not counting on Noah and I think Oquinn is a goner next year--so we need a 4/5 who is 6-9 245 who can play basketball. Also Im not sure about KP's durability.
Were going to need a little more size and skill from the 3 long term. I like Beasley for this years team as a 6th or 7th man--but hes signed to a 1 yr contract and it will be up in the air what he brings.
I think SG were all set unless we find a player who is just dominant in the draft and happens to play 2 guard.
Since you think the Knicks are winning "25 games tops," one of those players should be available via a good draft pick.
mills doesn't want that type of player, so even there were 10 available, according to him, he would have still picked frank
When did he say that?
This is what I found about Mills take on Nitty:
Javascript is not enabled or there was problem with the URL: https://twitter.com/adamzagoria/status/887017817798737920
Click here to view the TweetUnless I'm misreading the tweet, it in no way says Mills doesn't want a "player who controls the dribble who can make plays"
Only a moron concludes because he endorses picking Ntilikina this draft that he doesn't want that type of player ever.
he's not going to be around long enough to see any of these players develop if they don't start winning, like this season
Well, that has nothing whatsoever to do with your claim about what type of players Mills doesn't want. That was still stupid.
Knicks1248 only cares about his own instant satisfaction of seeing the Knicks win immediately. He will try to finesse it to look like its whats best for the Knicks. But at the end of the day its only to feed his own desire for immediate satisfaction.
WHAT THE heck are you talking about, we haven't won sht in 44 yrs, and have had 3 consecutive lottery season.
you guys think by pressing the reset button every season, we should disregard the pass. immediate satisfaction?? don't make me laugh.same regime and we/I should "BE Patient"...oooooohhh this time it's going to work, we just need 5 more losing season to make in 9 in row, and we should be contending...gtfo with the BS
when Isaiah took over- be patient
when walsh took over- be patient
when grunwald took over- be patient
when mills took over- be patient
when phil took over- be patient
now mills is taken over again-I should be patient, he's the man that knows how to build a contender Right ? we have so much evidence of that..some of you are at the point where you will support any regime that comes in with a plan, and I will too, but after too many fck ups, I'm done. I don't see any melo haters saying, this is a new season lets give melo the benefit(you want him gone, end of story) we'll, I feel the same way about the FO
Yeah but this is the only time we actually did what everyone has been wanting us to do in all those other years with all those other GM's and started to rebuild this team the right way, so now more than any of those other years is the time to be patient.
newyorker4ever wrote:knicks1248 wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Knickoftime wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Knickoftime wrote:nixluva wrote:Knickoftime wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Knickoftime wrote:BRIGGS wrote:One big thing we lack--a player who controls the dribble who can make plays--we do NOT have 1 right nowIm not counting on Noah and I think Oquinn is a goner next year--so we need a 4/5 who is 6-9 245 who can play basketball. Also Im not sure about KP's durability.
Were going to need a little more size and skill from the 3 long term. I like Beasley for this years team as a 6th or 7th man--but hes signed to a 1 yr contract and it will be up in the air what he brings.
I think SG were all set unless we find a player who is just dominant in the draft and happens to play 2 guard.
Since you think the Knicks are winning "25 games tops," one of those players should be available via a good draft pick.
mills doesn't want that type of player, so even there were 10 available, according to him, he would have still picked frank
When did he say that?
This is what I found about Mills take on Nitty:
Javascript is not enabled or there was problem with the URL: https://twitter.com/adamzagoria/status/887017817798737920
Click here to view the TweetUnless I'm misreading the tweet, it in no way says Mills doesn't want a "player who controls the dribble who can make plays"
Only a moron concludes because he endorses picking Ntilikina this draft that he doesn't want that type of player ever.
he's not going to be around long enough to see any of these players develop if they don't start winning, like this season
Well, that has nothing whatsoever to do with your claim about what type of players Mills doesn't want. That was still stupid.
Knicks1248 only cares about his own instant satisfaction of seeing the Knicks win immediately. He will try to finesse it to look like its whats best for the Knicks. But at the end of the day its only to feed his own desire for immediate satisfaction.
WHAT THE heck are you talking about, we haven't won sht in 44 yrs, and have had 3 consecutive lottery season.
you guys think by pressing the reset button every season, we should disregard the pass. immediate satisfaction?? don't make me laugh.same regime and we/I should "BE Patient"...oooooohhh this time it's going to work, we just need 5 more losing season to make in 9 in row, and we should be contending...gtfo with the BS
when Isaiah took over- be patient
when walsh took over- be patient
when grunwald took over- be patient
when mills took over- be patient
when phil took over- be patient
now mills is taken over again-I should be patient, he's the man that knows how to build a contender Right ? we have so much evidence of that..some of you are at the point where you will support any regime that comes in with a plan, and I will too, but after too many fck ups, I'm done. I don't see any melo haters saying, this is a new season lets give melo the benefit(you want him gone, end of story) we'll, I feel the same way about the FO
Yeah but this is the only time we actually did what everyone has been wanting us to do in all those other years with all those other GM's and started to rebuild this team the right way, so now more than any of those other years is the time to be patient.
YUP! There's lot of young talent on the roster and it's the only logical path forward at this point.
Gotta develop and grow our own stars and then when the time is right they can get serious about adding a key Free Agent. Once the youth develop it will make the Knicks a more desirous destination.
Gotta let this play out naturally.
knicks1248 wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Knickoftime wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Knickoftime wrote:nixluva wrote:Knickoftime wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Knickoftime wrote:BRIGGS wrote:One big thing we lack--a player who controls the dribble who can make plays--we do NOT have 1 right nowIm not counting on Noah and I think Oquinn is a goner next year--so we need a 4/5 who is 6-9 245 who can play basketball. Also Im not sure about KP's durability.
Were going to need a little more size and skill from the 3 long term. I like Beasley for this years team as a 6th or 7th man--but hes signed to a 1 yr contract and it will be up in the air what he brings.
I think SG were all set unless we find a player who is just dominant in the draft and happens to play 2 guard.
Since you think the Knicks are winning "25 games tops," one of those players should be available via a good draft pick.
mills doesn't want that type of player, so even there were 10 available, according to him, he would have still picked frank
When did he say that?
This is what I found about Mills take on Nitty:
Javascript is not enabled or there was problem with the URL: https://twitter.com/adamzagoria/status/887017817798737920
Click here to view the TweetUnless I'm misreading the tweet, it in no way says Mills doesn't want a "player who controls the dribble who can make plays"
Only a moron concludes because he endorses picking Ntilikina this draft that he doesn't want that type of player ever.
he's not going to be around long enough to see any of these players develop if they don't start winning, like this season
Well, that has nothing whatsoever to do with your claim about what type of players Mills doesn't want. That was still stupid.
Knicks1248 only cares about his own instant satisfaction of seeing the Knicks win immediately. He will try to finesse it to look like its whats best for the Knicks. But at the end of the day its only to feed his own desire for immediate satisfaction.
WHAT THE heck are you talking about, we haven't won sht in 44 yrs, and have had 3 consecutive lottery season.
you guys think by pressing the reset button every season, we should disregard the pass. immediate satisfaction?? don't make me laugh.same regime and we/I should "BE Patient"...oooooohhh this time it's going to work, we just need 5 more losing season to make in 9 in row, and we should be contending...gtfo with the BS
when Isaiah took over- be patient
when walsh took over- be patient
when grunwald took over- be patient
when mills took over- be patient
when phil took over- be patient
now mills is taken over again-I should be patient, he's the man that knows how to build a contender Right ? we have so much evidence of that..some of you are at the point where you will support any regime that comes in with a plan, and I will too, but after too many fck ups, I'm done. I don't see any melo haters saying, this is a new season lets give melo the benefit(you want him gone, end of story) we'll, I feel the same way about the FO
You remain patient if you want the Knicks to have the dominant sustained long term success that GSW, Cleveland and other teams that have built through the draft have had.
However rebuilding does not happen in one year it takes commitment and yes PATIENCE to do it right. None of those GMs you listed had the fortitude to stick to the rebuild except Phil.
Phil was the only one that has patiently built through the draft and now the Knicks are relevant again. Hopefully for our sakes Perry also have the patience to see the rebuild though. Fortunately thus far it seems that he does.
awe1028 wrote:knicks1248 wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Knickoftime wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Knickoftime wrote:nixluva wrote:Knickoftime wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Knickoftime wrote:BRIGGS wrote:One big thing we lack--a player who controls the dribble who can make plays--we do NOT have 1 right nowIm not counting on Noah and I think Oquinn is a goner next year--so we need a 4/5 who is 6-9 245 who can play basketball. Also Im not sure about KP's durability.
Were going to need a little more size and skill from the 3 long term. I like Beasley for this years team as a 6th or 7th man--but hes signed to a 1 yr contract and it will be up in the air what he brings.
I think SG were all set unless we find a player who is just dominant in the draft and happens to play 2 guard.
Since you think the Knicks are winning "25 games tops," one of those players should be available via a good draft pick.
mills doesn't want that type of player, so even there were 10 available, according to him, he would have still picked frank
When did he say that?
This is what I found about Mills take on Nitty:
Javascript is not enabled or there was problem with the URL: https://twitter.com/adamzagoria/status/887017817798737920
Click here to view the TweetUnless I'm misreading the tweet, it in no way says Mills doesn't want a "player who controls the dribble who can make plays"
Only a moron concludes because he endorses picking Ntilikina this draft that he doesn't want that type of player ever.
he's not going to be around long enough to see any of these players develop if they don't start winning, like this season
Well, that has nothing whatsoever to do with your claim about what type of players Mills doesn't want. That was still stupid.
Knicks1248 only cares about his own instant satisfaction of seeing the Knicks win immediately. He will try to finesse it to look like its whats best for the Knicks. But at the end of the day its only to feed his own desire for immediate satisfaction.
WHAT THE heck are you talking about, we haven't won sht in 44 yrs, and have had 3 consecutive lottery season.
you guys think by pressing the reset button every season, we should disregard the pass. immediate satisfaction?? don't make me laugh.same regime and we/I should "BE Patient"...oooooohhh this time it's going to work, we just need 5 more losing season to make in 9 in row, and we should be contending...gtfo with the BS
when Isaiah took over- be patient
when walsh took over- be patient
when grunwald took over- be patient
when mills took over- be patient
when phil took over- be patient
now mills is taken over again-I should be patient, he's the man that knows how to build a contender Right ? we have so much evidence of that..some of you are at the point where you will support any regime that comes in with a plan, and I will too, but after too many fck ups, I'm done. I don't see any melo haters saying, this is a new season lets give melo the benefit(you want him gone, end of story) we'll, I feel the same way about the FO
You remain patient if you want the Knicks to have the dominant sustained long term success that GSW, Cleveland and other teams that have built through the draft have had.
However rebuilding does not happen in one year it takes commitment and yes PATIENCE to do it right. None of those GMs you listed had the fortitude to stick to the rebuild except Phil.
Phil was the only one that has patiently built through the draft and now the Knicks are relevant again. Hopefully for our sakes Perry also have the patience to see the rebuild though. Fortunately thus far it seems that he does.
Fans understandably want their team to win now.
That's why fans do not given teams to run.
Nothing valuable is build fast. But anything can be destroyed very quickly.
This team was destroyed so many times over for the last 20 years that it is time for fans and for ownership for that matter to stop looking for miracles.
Or just stop doing things which give you pain instead of pleasure.
Looks like Dolan already get it... how about NY Knicks fans?