Knicks · I'm already excited for the 2018 offseason and ensuing season (page 1)

Key for the Knicks this year is to develop as a team, keep KP flowing from his Euro team experience, tutor Frank as much as possible and let the young guys - Frank, Baker, Willy, Kanter, Dotson - get minutes, all the while somehow ensuring a high lottery pick. Last year for it.

I am trying to figure out what type of player would be ideal next to KP. He feels like an oversized SF to me and plays like one, still probably needs another year before he really fills into his body and devastates the NBA. Next to KP: a big body that rebounds, defends, doesn't need touches, runs, blocks shots. KP still wants to play the 4 and maybe that's his position, he may never get to a C's body and want to bang down low, feels more like a guy who wants to operate in the high post out to the 3point line. A very young Noah would have been very nice. How about DeAndre Jordan (he will most likely opt out)?

Feel like the Knicks still need a guy who can really control the ball and offense as well as get his own. Donic would be super ideal next to Frank, THJr and KP. Can shoot, pass, get his own, space, rebound. Not sure about defending the 3.

Given the current roster (and without know what happens trade-wise over the next year) I am assuming KOQ will opt out, Baker will opt in, Kanter will opt out.

Player 		age	    2018-19 
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Joakim Noah	32 	 18,530,000 
Tim Hardaway	26	 17,325,000 
Courtney Lee	32 	 12,253,780 
Lance Thomas	29 	  7,119,650 
KP	 	23 	  5,697,054 
Ron Baker	25	  4,544,400 
FNtilikina	20	  4,155,720 
Willy 		24	  1,544,951 
Damyean Dotson	24	  1,378,242 
Donic		19	  7,000,000 
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		       ~$80,000,000

Would you go for DeAndre, who would be 30, IF IF IF Donic is on board and everything else plays out? Knicks will have about $20-25M next offseason if Kanter opts out.

You get rim protection and weakside protection and 2 other bigs off bench that could do well together. Starting lineup would feature a lot of 3 point shooting and a PnR C that could work with either Frank or Doncic. You got guys who can run.

C DeAndre
PF KP
SF Doncic
G THJr
PG Frank

PG Baker
G Lee/Dotson
SF LT
PF Willy
C Noah

I'd be a little hesitant about circling in on another center. Although I have a sense of what the guys we have are capable of, I'd like to give it a few months first. If we get Doncic, than a Jordan type would make sense. Michael Porter Jr. would also be a good fit. He would give our frontcourt an insane amount of length and outside shooting. He also has the tools to defend the perimeter. I think Duke's Bagley will be the best NCAA prospect this season, but Doncic and Porter Jr. are the best fits for the team. For our current roster, I think we can really use a Wilson Chandler or Mo' Harkless type. One guy I really wanted, but would be hesitant to pay, is Otto Porter. I think the Wiz, given their cap situation, are going to want to get out of Porter's deal sooner rather than later. He's a high level system player and high % spot-up shooter. He might be an option, depending on how fast our guys click on the court. That contract tho...

I would target players in the 8-10 range. I don't think we will be bad enough for a top 5 pick.

For free agents, i want a SF who can be a difference maker. Maybe Robert Covington? Youngish, athletic, defensive minded.

The rebuild is in full swing, and the future is wide open.........
Might be good, might not be. But we own our picks, we have some yoothier players and we have tradable assets.
Only Noah is a bad contract and he might still prove to be useful in many ways.
No glee, no exuberance, and really no expectations.
Let the kids grow up, and see what we got.
New front office, no starphuchs anywhere. Not in the front office, not on the court.
Its fresh, and we might only win 25-30 games.

Whole team gets a free pass!!!!!

Knixkik wrote:I would target players in the 8-10 range. I don't think we will be bad enough for a top 5 pick.

For free agents, i want a SF who can be a difference maker. Maybe Robert Covington? Youngish, athletic, defensive minded.

It’s all up in the air right now who knows where we end up.... if we do end up with doncic watch out this team is going to be a title contender for years to come! and the ultimate international star team.

KP
Kanter
Doncic
THjr
Frankie

6th man Willy

But even if we end up in the teens or 8 to 10 we have some pieces to move up.

If THjr becomes a star or kanter becomes a star we can package them with our pick and future first to someone like Cleveland and land doncic.

I just wouldn’t be shocked if we land doncic regardless of where we end up I don’t see us going higher then 15 but we could go anywhere before that. It all depends on health and our youth development in KP,kanter,THjr,Willy,Frankie if its slow to improve so what it lands us a star in doncic with still youth that can become stars....

I’m not going to wine if KP takes over this year and we make the playoffs either

I don't want to hear about mediocre guys like Covington and overrated guys like deandre. I don't want to hear about Doncic. The Knicks lane is building three way they have been and pouncing on a trade when the obsolute time is right. The Knicks are in great position to make a real home run deal to add with what's already working. We're in the beginning stages... truss what we're doing now. Let's enjoy this... The Knicks are a truly scary franchise right now.

One of our problems has been guarding stretch 4s-5s.

-We need a 4/5 that excels in that department to cover for the weakness of KP & Willy/Kanter in that department.
-We def need a point forward. We don't have enough ball movers or play makers throughout the roster which is full of shooters. We are built at this moment to depend to much on a Steve Nash-Jason Kidd type PG.
-Would like Jeff to challenge Hardaway Jr to up his assist. Same for KP.

newyorknewyork wrote:One of our problems has been guarding stretch 4s-5s.

-We need a 4/5 that excels in that department to cover for the weakness of KP & Willy/Kanter in that department.
-We def need a point forward. We don't have enough ball movers or play makers throughout the roster which is full of shooters. We are built at this moment to depend to much on a Steve Nash-Jason Kidd type PG.
-Would like Jeff to challenge Hardaway Jr to up his assist. Same for KP.

I think that's where a real 3 and D small forward. We have plenty of 6'4" to 6'6" guys to throw at shooting guards and hopefully small forwards. But, outside of Lance, don't have that guy at the forward spot. It's one of our glaring weaknesses.

BigDaddyG wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:One of our problems has been guarding stretch 4s-5s.

-We need a 4/5 that excels in that department to cover for the weakness of KP & Willy/Kanter in that department.
-We def need a point forward. We don't have enough ball movers or play makers throughout the roster which is full of shooters. We are built at this moment to depend to much on a Steve Nash-Jason Kidd type PG.
-Would like Jeff to challenge Hardaway Jr to up his assist. Same for KP.

I think that's where a real 3 and D small forward. We have plenty of 6'4" to 6'6" guys to throw at shooting guards and hopefully small forwards. But, outside of Lance, don't have that guy at the forward spot. It's one of our glaring weaknesses.

Exactly. We need to find that guy.

Knixkik wrote:I would target players in the 8-10 range. I don't think we will be bad enough for a top 5 pick.

For free agents, i want a SF who can be a difference maker. Maybe Robert Covington? Youngish, athletic, defensive minded.

Everyone seems to have forgotten about this guy, but he should be available in the 8-10 range and he would also fill a need. This coming draft seems to be high on forwards. But let's keep it real. We're not good and a couple of injuries could make as gawd awful. Doncic is in play.

BigDaddyG wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:One of our problems has been guarding stretch 4s-5s.

-We need a 4/5 that excels in that department to cover for the weakness of KP & Willy/Kanter in that department.
-We def need a point forward. We don't have enough ball movers or play makers throughout the roster which is full of shooters. We are built at this moment to depend to much on a Steve Nash-Jason Kidd type PG.
-Would like Jeff to challenge Hardaway Jr to up his assist. Same for KP.

I think that's where a real 3 and D small forward. We have plenty of 6'4" to 6'6" guys to throw at shooting guards and hopefully small forwards. But, outside of Lance, don't have that guy at the forward spot. It's one of our glaring weaknesses.

yep our biggest issue is the lack of true SF's. Lance is really the only true SF we have. I really hope we can luck into a high pick, we are due. I wouldn't be surprised if the NBA gifted us Doncic, fits the international feel of the team

Jmpasq wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:One of our problems has been guarding stretch 4s-5s.

-We need a 4/5 that excels in that department to cover for the weakness of KP & Willy/Kanter in that department.
-We def need a point forward. We don't have enough ball movers or play makers throughout the roster which is full of shooters. We are built at this moment to depend to much on a Steve Nash-Jason Kidd type PG.
-Would like Jeff to challenge Hardaway Jr to up his assist. Same for KP.

I think that's where a real 3 and D small forward. We have plenty of 6'4" to 6'6" guys to throw at shooting guards and hopefully small forwards. But, outside of Lance, don't have that guy at the forward spot. It's one of our glaring weaknesses.

yep our biggest issue is the lack of true SF's. Lance is really the only true SF we have. I really hope we can luck into a high pick, we are due. I wouldn't be surprised if the NBA gifted us Doncic, fits the international feel of the team

same

martin wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:One of our problems has been guarding stretch 4s-5s.

-We need a 4/5 that excels in that department to cover for the weakness of KP & Willy/Kanter in that department.
-We def need a point forward. We don't have enough ball movers or play makers throughout the roster which is full of shooters. We are built at this moment to depend to much on a Steve Nash-Jason Kidd type PG.
-Would like Jeff to challenge Hardaway Jr to up his assist. Same for KP.

I think that's where a real 3 and D small forward. We have plenty of 6'4" to 6'6" guys to throw at shooting guards and hopefully small forwards. But, outside of Lance, don't have that guy at the forward spot. It's one of our glaring weaknesses.

yep our biggest issue is the lack of true SF's. Lance is really the only true SF we have. I really hope we can luck into a high pick, we are due. I wouldn't be surprised if the NBA gifted us Doncic, fits the international feel of the team

same

I love your positivity but I doubt it happens. The guy I really wanted in the mix was Winslow - if we could somehow pretty him away from the heat. He is not a 3 pt shooter but he maybe one of the best defensive SFs in the league. One of the few players I would trade a first round pick for.

Kanter is excited about coming to NY. Not sure he will opt out. Again, the 3 7 footers can each play 30+ a night and be a heck of a force.

Still not enough pep...

BigDaddyG wrote:

Knixkik wrote:I would target players in the 8-10 range. I don't think we will be bad enough for a top 5 pick.

For free agents, i want a SF who can be a difference maker. Maybe Robert Covington? Youngish, athletic, defensive minded.

Everyone seems to have forgotten about this guy, but he should be available in the 8-10 range and he would also fill a need. This coming draft seems to be high on forwards. But let's keep it real. We're not good and a couple of injuries could make as gawd awful. Doncic is in play.

He would be great, but i had assumed he was definitely in the top 7. He would have to regress a little bit to be considered 8-10 i think, unless a ton of freshman come strong out of the gate.

Knixkik wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

Knixkik wrote:I would target players in the 8-10 range. I don't think we will be bad enough for a top 5 pick.

For free agents, i want a SF who can be a difference maker. Maybe Robert Covington? Youngish, athletic, defensive minded.

Everyone seems to have forgotten about this guy, but he should be available in the 8-10 range and he would also fill a need. This coming draft seems to be high on forwards. But let's keep it real. We're not good and a couple of injuries could make as gawd awful. Doncic is in play.

He would be great, but i had assumed he was definitely in the top 7. He would have to regress a little bit to be considered 8-10 i think, unless a ton of freshman come strong out of the gate.

It's hard to tell this early in the tank process. ESPN has grabbing him at #6 and nbadraft.net has him falling just outside of the lottery. I think there's a very good chance he'll be within our draft slot when the time comes.

Nalod wrote:The rebuild is in full swing, and the future is wide open.........
Might be good, might not be. But we own our picks, we have some yoothier players and we have tradable assets.
Only Noah is a bad contract and he might still prove to be useful in many ways.
No glee, no exuberance, and really no expectations.
Let the kids grow up, and see what we got.
New front office, no starphuchs anywhere. Not in the front office, not on the court.
Its fresh, and we might only win 25-30 games.

Whole team gets a free pass!!!!!

This right here. This is what helps me sleep at night. We haven't had much to hope for in ages... this works for me just fine. If they should happen to win this season even just a little bit, all Gravy.

I'm excited to see how they build around Porzingis. Long-term I see us having 3 starters. KP, frank, and hardaway. Short term we will see how willy and kanter look next to KP. But long-term I see him at center with defensive minded forwards next to him. Bridges is a possibility if we are really bad. If we are better than projected, Justin Jackson from Maryland is a 3 and D prospect in the late lottery. Maybe we offer Covington big money this summer. Those are targets. Kanter and willy both have a place off the bench when we want to play bigger.

You guys are forgetting about our dark horse in this race. Beasley has come in 20 pounds lighter, and is in a "prove it" year. I look for him to move up in playing chart, and supplant LT as team's small forward.

But Beasley thinks that someone who uses 11% of their brain figured out that the rest of us only use 10% of our's. Are we sure he's the answer?