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Nalod wrote:.......it all gets sorted on the court.
THjr might exceed that contract and then what?
Don't matter what any us think now? Its a risk. "Shock and awe"........Make an offer, make it sweet and make it hard to match.
Mills might look good, which makes Knicks1248 look bad.
Easy to take the conceptual and slam an exec when a game has yet to be played.
Im not professing that THjr is going to be all that, but I sure as hell are not calling anyone stupid UNTIL THE GAMES ARE PLAYED!!!

why would I look bad, your acting like I want the kid to fail, I just stated I hope the contact is a bargin. At first sight it doesn't, but hey, im obviously preying for the best.

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Nalod wrote:.......it all gets sorted on the court.
THjr might exceed that contract and then what?
Don't matter what any us think now? Its a risk. "Shock and awe"........Make an offer, make it sweet and make it hard to match.
Mills might look good, which makes Knicks1248 look bad.
Easy to take the conceptual and slam an exec when a game has yet to be played.
Im not professing that THjr is going to be all that, but I sure as hell are not calling anyone stupid UNTIL THE GAMES ARE PLAYED!!!

why would I look bad, your acting like I want the kid to fail, I just stated I hope the contact is a bargin. At first sight it doesn't, but hey, im obviously preying for the best.

well to be fair you do have a tendency to be negative especially when it comes to building around younger players and draft picks

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knickstorrents wrote:They couldn't do what they did if they didn't DRAFT Harden, Durant, and Westbrook. Everything fell from that. And these star players they have are rentals anyway, there's no long term for this nucleus. And once the nucleus added Melo, it's ultimately flawed. Melo is not even a 3rd option on a championship team, he's a sparkplug off the bench!!!!

They were about to lose Harden the same way they lost KD(for nothing)but struck a deal with houston.

The knicks have had solid draft picks over the years, and have let them go in bad trades, developing them in a losing environments, or let them walk.

The players we have now are just excited to be playing IN NY, the worst city on earth to try and develop. You have seen all the bull shh incidents that have happen in clubs and the night life just over the last couple seasons, our own player gets shot coming out of a club. Try focusing as a 20 something yr old with millions in your pocket, living in NY, playing in front of celebrities every night

You listen to walt about how reed was a true leader and kept guys in check including walt himself

The point is, that's the type of leadership you develop young players with.

The young guys we have now, should be playing behind guys like wade, labron, Paul geogre, cp3, harden, ect, they should have a very experince coach with a winning track record, they should have leaders that are still impacting the game.

Mills is not here to build a championship team, he took this job because of the prestige, and he lowered his bar to the floor so that there would be zero expectations.

IF mills really cared about the knicks and wanted to stop the bleeding, he would have urged DOLAN to bring in somebody with a proven track record.

Mills got a grade D or lower for ever move he made this summer.. I'm hoping most people (including myself) are wrong, but i seriously doubt it

Mills is in almost a no lose situation. He set the table to sck--so any upside he gets credit. He really cant lose so he wins atleast for the next 2 years. His only downside this year is THJ. Bt even if THJ is not up to the challenge--its easily a blame game on the rest of the team and coach. Guys like Kanter Beasley Sessions can all have upside at minimal cost to the team. Frabnk is great--I agreed with the pick if Frank scks Phil fcked up. Its not brain science.

This is not how experience GM'S operate. Mills has been part of the losing culture, he help formulate the culture with PHIL, and now he has taking over, and using youth has his scapegoat.

He's not building through the draft because he hasn't acquired any 1st round picks. He is adding sub par players. Here's the one thing Im yet to figure out..

HOW LONG IS MILLS CONTRACT FOR, I don't think that's ever came up

Why you are expecting experienced GM to agree working for Dolan after what transpired last 20 years?
Only bureaucrats like Mills and beginners like Perry will take on it as they have no better choice.
You are asking for some alternative reality to take hold but this is not TV show, this is life.
So get with the program of hope or you will be miserable fan for the rest of your life. What the point?

when your first major move as president is consider to be one of the worst off season acquisitions in the entire NBA this off season, you know were in trouble

https://www.thescore.com/nba/news/137191...

Tim Hardaway Jr., New York Knicks

The four-year, $71-million contract the Knicks handed Hardaway Jr. - which was reportedly over $20 million more than what the Atlanta Hawks put on the table - will constantly be in the back of fans' minds when watching the 25-year-old ball at Madison Square Garden.

You could label his final year in Atlanta as somewhat of a breakout, but if you want to go down that path, you'd also have to acknowledge that his numbers probably still didn't warrant such an extravagant contract.

Hardaway Jr. is a fine offensive guard with some decent upside, but he comes with his fair share of flaws on both ends, creating more of an uphill battle for him to justify his newfound wealth - a result of New York's readiness to outbid themselves, mind you.

basically, mills is following in the Foot steps of layden & Isaiah,

What makes Chris Walder's opinion that important? How much do you even know about him?

HONESTLY DUDE, if the article stated Thj was the best signing of the summer, you wouldn't question his credibility. That's what goes on around here, when ever there's a negative write up, you guys question the writers opinion, or motive. Yet when there is a positive write up, it's all good regardless of the writer.

There is next to nobody on earth who feels THJ wasn't grossly over paid(allan houston style), the good thing is, he has a chance to change that perception sooner than later

Not for anything, but Hardaway literally got the average salary for starting SG's in the league. I did the research and posted it in the thread about the Hardaway signing. His current contract ranks about 14 or so amongst all NBA SG.

the goal is have that contract look like a bargin, for me, expectations are through the roof

The contract being a bargain, I would love to have that, too. But point is that contract is the going rate for an average 2 guard.

Maybe so , but ATL was never going to give him that much (they were going between 11/12 per), and he still would have signed with them regardless. Mills already said he put a AARON JUDGE swing for the fences with the offer so ATL wouldn't match..

I'd say offering about 4 or 5 mil more a year than the other team for an RFA is the going rate too. Why would that matter anyway? You seem to have agreed ("maybe so") that we may have spent the going rate, which by definition means other teams would have spent this anyway even if Atlanta didn't.

ATL signed Bazemore the year prior to 4 yrs 70 mil. Also gave Dennis Schroder a 4 yr 70 extension. If they were offering Hardaway jr 11-12mil then they were low balling. They had the ability to match so they knew either Hardaway takes a lower then market deal. Or he gets his agent to do his job and find a market which they could have possibly matched.

Hardaway jr when ATL traded away Kover averaged 17.5pts 3.5rebs 2.6ast in 32mins on 59TS% and solid defense.

The more I think about it they might of matched 4 years 60 million