Knicks · How Did okc just lose KD and replace him with 2 stars in less than a yr (page 2)

CrushAlot wrote:Sam Presti.

This!

EnySpree wrote:Did anyone mention the salary cap? It's easier to fit guys under this cap if you are lucky enough. Indiana and the Knicks made trades they felt could help their franchises. There you go.

BRIGGS wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

knickstorrents wrote:They couldn't do what they did if they didn't DRAFT Harden, Durant, and Westbrook. Everything fell from that. And these star players they have are rentals anyway, there's no long term for this nucleus. And once the nucleus added Melo, it's ultimately flawed. Melo is not even a 3rd option on a championship team, he's a sparkplug off the bench!!!!

They were about to lose Harden the same way they lost KD(for nothing)but struck a deal with houston.

The knicks have had solid draft picks over the years, and have let them go in bad trades, developing them in a losing environments, or let them walk.

The players we have now are just excited to be playing IN NY, the worst city on earth to try and develop. You have seen all the bull shh incidents that have happen in clubs and the night life just over the last couple seasons, our own player gets shot coming out of a club. Try focusing as a 20 something yr old with millions in your pocket, living in NY, playing in front of celebrities every night

You listen to walt about how reed was a true leader and kept guys in check including walt himself

The point is, that's the type of leadership you develop young players with.

The young guys we have now, should be playing behind guys like wade, labron, Paul geogre, cp3, harden, ect, they should have a very experince coach with a winning track record, they should have leaders that are still impacting the game.

Mills is not here to build a championship team, he took this job because of the prestige, and he lowered his bar to the floor so that there would be zero expectations.

IF mills really cared about the knicks and wanted to stop the bleeding, he would have urged DOLAN to bring in somebody with a proven track record.

Mills got a grade D or lower for ever move he made this summer.. I'm hoping most people (including myself) are wrong, but i seriously doubt it

Mills is in almost a no lose situation. He set the table to sck--so any upside he gets credit. He really cant lose so he wins atleast for the next 2 years. His only downside this year is THJ. Bt even if THJ is not up to the challenge--its easily a blame game on the rest of the team and coach. Guys like Kanter Beasley Sessions can all have upside at minimal cost to the team. Frabnk is great--I agreed with the pick if Frank scks Phil fcked up. Its not brain science.

Bingo! Ivy league management philosophy. Don't make any decision that can implicate your weaknesses or make you the target for criticism. Reason why he keeps saying "this will take a while". "We are building for future", "We shall see if young pieces are the right ones" All True but statements that preserve his longevity. Which is the only real thing he is worried about. Imo

HofstraBBall wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

knickstorrents wrote:They couldn't do what they did if they didn't DRAFT Harden, Durant, and Westbrook. Everything fell from that. And these star players they have are rentals anyway, there's no long term for this nucleus. And once the nucleus added Melo, it's ultimately flawed. Melo is not even a 3rd option on a championship team, he's a sparkplug off the bench!!!!

They were about to lose Harden the same way they lost KD(for nothing)but struck a deal with houston.

The knicks have had solid draft picks over the years, and have let them go in bad trades, developing them in a losing environments, or let them walk.

The players we have now are just excited to be playing IN NY, the worst city on earth to try and develop. You have seen all the bull shh incidents that have happen in clubs and the night life just over the last couple seasons, our own player gets shot coming out of a club. Try focusing as a 20 something yr old with millions in your pocket, living in NY, playing in front of celebrities every night

You listen to walt about how reed was a true leader and kept guys in check including walt himself

The point is, that's the type of leadership you develop young players with.

The young guys we have now, should be playing behind guys like wade, labron, Paul geogre, cp3, harden, ect, they should have a very experince coach with a winning track record, they should have leaders that are still impacting the game.

Mills is not here to build a championship team, he took this job because of the prestige, and he lowered his bar to the floor so that there would be zero expectations.

IF mills really cared about the knicks and wanted to stop the bleeding, he would have urged DOLAN to bring in somebody with a proven track record.

Mills got a grade D or lower for ever move he made this summer.. I'm hoping most people (including myself) are wrong, but i seriously doubt it

Mills is in almost a no lose situation. He set the table to sck--so any upside he gets credit. He really cant lose so he wins atleast for the next 2 years. His only downside this year is THJ. Bt even if THJ is not up to the challenge--its easily a blame game on the rest of the team and coach. Guys like Kanter Beasley Sessions can all have upside at minimal cost to the team. Frabnk is great--I agreed with the pick if Frank scks Phil fcked up. Its not brain science.

Bingo! Ivy league management philosophy. Don't make any decision that can implicate your weaknesses or make you the target for criticism. Reason why he keeps saying "this will take a while". "We are building for future", "We shall see if young pieces work oit" All True but statements preserve his longevity. Which is the only real thing he is worried about. Imo

BRIGGS wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

knickstorrents wrote:They couldn't do what they did if they didn't DRAFT Harden, Durant, and Westbrook. Everything fell from that. And these star players they have are rentals anyway, there's no long term for this nucleus. And once the nucleus added Melo, it's ultimately flawed. Melo is not even a 3rd option on a championship team, he's a sparkplug off the bench!!!!

They were about to lose Harden the same way they lost KD(for nothing)but struck a deal with houston.

The knicks have had solid draft picks over the years, and have let them go in bad trades, developing them in a losing environments, or let them walk.

The players we have now are just excited to be playing IN NY, the worst city on earth to try and develop. You have seen all the bull shh incidents that have happen in clubs and the night life just over the last couple seasons, our own player gets shot coming out of a club. Try focusing as a 20 something yr old with millions in your pocket, living in NY, playing in front of celebrities every night

You listen to walt about how reed was a true leader and kept guys in check including walt himself

The point is, that's the type of leadership you develop young players with.

The young guys we have now, should be playing behind guys like wade, labron, Paul geogre, cp3, harden, ect, they should have a very experince coach with a winning track record, they should have leaders that are still impacting the game.

Mills is not here to build a championship team, he took this job because of the prestige, and he lowered his bar to the floor so that there would be zero expectations.

IF mills really cared about the knicks and wanted to stop the bleeding, he would have urged DOLAN to bring in somebody with a proven track record.

Mills got a grade D or lower for ever move he made this summer.. I'm hoping most people (including myself) are wrong, but i seriously doubt it

Mills is in almost a no lose situation. He set the table to sck--so any upside he gets credit. He really cant lose so he wins atleast for the next 2 years. His only downside this year is THJ. Bt even if THJ is not up to the challenge--its easily a blame game on the rest of the team and coach. Guys like Kanter Beasley Sessions can all have upside at minimal cost to the team. Frabnk is great--I agreed with the pick if Frank scks Phil fcked up. Its not brain science.

This is not how experience GM'S operate. Mills has been part of the losing culture, he help formulate the culture with PHIL, and now he has taking over, and using youth has his scapegoat.

He's not building through the draft because he hasn't acquired any 1st round picks. He is adding sub par players. Here's the one thing Im yet to figure out..

HOW LONG IS MILLS CONTRACT FOR, I don't think that's ever came up

They've also had some questionable drafts, and IMO have not done a good job with their assets. Perhaps I'm too critical but I think a real, super talent would have found a way to keep KD, Harden and Westbrook, or at least gotten more in return for Harden and KD

Perry is a honeymoon period and that's the way it should be. Personally, I'd like it if he talks less until he proves something. This trade and THJ will be critical data points in evaluating whether or not he has a real eye for talent and for identifying players who can continue to improve. Fingers and toes crossed

knicks1248 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

knickstorrents wrote:They couldn't do what they did if they didn't DRAFT Harden, Durant, and Westbrook. Everything fell from that. And these star players they have are rentals anyway, there's no long term for this nucleus. And once the nucleus added Melo, it's ultimately flawed. Melo is not even a 3rd option on a championship team, he's a sparkplug off the bench!!!!

They were about to lose Harden the same way they lost KD(for nothing)but struck a deal with houston.

The knicks have had solid draft picks over the years, and have let them go in bad trades, developing them in a losing environments, or let them walk.

The players we have now are just excited to be playing IN NY, the worst city on earth to try and develop. You have seen all the bull shh incidents that have happen in clubs and the night life just over the last couple seasons, our own player gets shot coming out of a club. Try focusing as a 20 something yr old with millions in your pocket, living in NY, playing in front of celebrities every night

You listen to walt about how reed was a true leader and kept guys in check including walt himself

The point is, that's the type of leadership you develop young players with.

The young guys we have now, should be playing behind guys like wade, labron, Paul geogre, cp3, harden, ect, they should have a very experince coach with a winning track record, they should have leaders that are still impacting the game.

Mills is not here to build a championship team, he took this job because of the prestige, and he lowered his bar to the floor so that there would be zero expectations.

IF mills really cared about the knicks and wanted to stop the bleeding, he would have urged DOLAN to bring in somebody with a proven track record.

Mills got a grade D or lower for ever move he made this summer.. I'm hoping most people (including myself) are wrong, but i seriously doubt it

Mills is in almost a no lose situation. He set the table to sck--so any upside he gets credit. He really cant lose so he wins atleast for the next 2 years. His only downside this year is THJ. Bt even if THJ is not up to the challenge--its easily a blame game on the rest of the team and coach. Guys like Kanter Beasley Sessions can all have upside at minimal cost to the team. Frabnk is great--I agreed with the pick if Frank scks Phil fcked up. Its not brain science.

This is not how experience GM'S operate. Mills has been part of the losing culture, he help formulate the culture with PHIL, and now he has taking over, and using youth has his scapegoat.

He's not building through the draft because he hasn't acquired any 1st round picks. He is adding sub par players. Here's the one thing Im yet to figure out..

HOW LONG IS MILLS CONTRACT FOR, I don't think that's ever came up

Why you are expecting experienced GM to agree working for Dolan after what transpired last 20 years?
Only bureaucrats like Mills and beginners like Perry will take on it as they have no better choice.
You are asking for some alternative reality to take hold but this is not TV show, this is life.
So get with the program of hope or you will be miserable fan for the rest of your life. What the point?

Jmpasq wrote:

Nalod wrote:really, you don't understand all of that?

Quickly:

Have to draft well. Prerequisite is you don't trade your picks.
Also, don't overpay for star players. WE did with Melo. Lets not go over all of that but we were left with little depth after, and we had not much in picks.
Trade a first rounder for Bargain? Not smart.
Sam Presti had Harden, Durant and Westbrook. made one finals.
In one year they might lose westbrook and Paul George for nothing.
Lets see how it all turns out.
Bottom line is OKC build thru the draft.

As good as Presti has done he didnt win anything with a ridiculous amount of talent

arkrud wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

knickstorrents wrote:They couldn't do what they did if they didn't DRAFT Harden, Durant, and Westbrook. Everything fell from that. And these star players they have are rentals anyway, there's no long term for this nucleus. And once the nucleus added Melo, it's ultimately flawed. Melo is not even a 3rd option on a championship team, he's a sparkplug off the bench!!!!

They were about to lose Harden the same way they lost KD(for nothing)but struck a deal with houston.

The knicks have had solid draft picks over the years, and have let them go in bad trades, developing them in a losing environments, or let them walk.

The players we have now are just excited to be playing IN NY, the worst city on earth to try and develop. You have seen all the bull shh incidents that have happen in clubs and the night life just over the last couple seasons, our own player gets shot coming out of a club. Try focusing as a 20 something yr old with millions in your pocket, living in NY, playing in front of celebrities every night

You listen to walt about how reed was a true leader and kept guys in check including walt himself

The point is, that's the type of leadership you develop young players with.

The young guys we have now, should be playing behind guys like wade, labron, Paul geogre, cp3, harden, ect, they should have a very experince coach with a winning track record, they should have leaders that are still impacting the game.

Mills is not here to build a championship team, he took this job because of the prestige, and he lowered his bar to the floor so that there would be zero expectations.

IF mills really cared about the knicks and wanted to stop the bleeding, he would have urged DOLAN to bring in somebody with a proven track record.

Mills got a grade D or lower for ever move he made this summer.. I'm hoping most people (including myself) are wrong, but i seriously doubt it

Mills is in almost a no lose situation. He set the table to sck--so any upside he gets credit. He really cant lose so he wins atleast for the next 2 years. His only downside this year is THJ. Bt even if THJ is not up to the challenge--its easily a blame game on the rest of the team and coach. Guys like Kanter Beasley Sessions can all have upside at minimal cost to the team. Frabnk is great--I agreed with the pick if Frank scks Phil fcked up. Its not brain science.

This is not how experience GM'S operate. Mills has been part of the losing culture, he help formulate the culture with PHIL, and now he has taking over, and using youth has his scapegoat.

He's not building through the draft because he hasn't acquired any 1st round picks. He is adding sub par players. Here's the one thing Im yet to figure out..

HOW LONG IS MILLS CONTRACT FOR, I don't think that's ever came up

Why you are expecting experienced GM to agree working for Dolan after what transpired last 20 years?
Only bureaucrats like Mills and beginners like Perry will take on it as they have no better choice.
You are asking for some alternative reality to take hold but this is not TV show, this is life.
So get with the program of hope or you will be miserable fan for the rest of your life. What the point?

when your first major move as president is consider to be one of the worst off season acquisitions in the entire NBA this off season, you know were in trouble

https://www.thescore.com/nba/news/137191...

Tim Hardaway Jr., New York Knicks

The four-year, $71-million contract the Knicks handed Hardaway Jr. - which was reportedly over $20 million more than what the Atlanta Hawks put on the table - will constantly be in the back of fans' minds when watching the 25-year-old ball at Madison Square Garden.

You could label his final year in Atlanta as somewhat of a breakout, but if you want to go down that path, you'd also have to acknowledge that his numbers probably still didn't warrant such an extravagant contract.

Hardaway Jr. is a fine offensive guard with some decent upside, but he comes with his fair share of flaws on both ends, creating more of an uphill battle for him to justify his newfound wealth - a result of New York's readiness to outbid themselves, mind you.

basically, mills is following in the Foot steps of layden & Isaiah,

knicks1248 wrote:

arkrud wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

knickstorrents wrote:They couldn't do what they did if they didn't DRAFT Harden, Durant, and Westbrook. Everything fell from that. And these star players they have are rentals anyway, there's no long term for this nucleus. And once the nucleus added Melo, it's ultimately flawed. Melo is not even a 3rd option on a championship team, he's a sparkplug off the bench!!!!

They were about to lose Harden the same way they lost KD(for nothing)but struck a deal with houston.

The knicks have had solid draft picks over the years, and have let them go in bad trades, developing them in a losing environments, or let them walk.

The players we have now are just excited to be playing IN NY, the worst city on earth to try and develop. You have seen all the bull shh incidents that have happen in clubs and the night life just over the last couple seasons, our own player gets shot coming out of a club. Try focusing as a 20 something yr old with millions in your pocket, living in NY, playing in front of celebrities every night

You listen to walt about how reed was a true leader and kept guys in check including walt himself

The point is, that's the type of leadership you develop young players with.

The young guys we have now, should be playing behind guys like wade, labron, Paul geogre, cp3, harden, ect, they should have a very experince coach with a winning track record, they should have leaders that are still impacting the game.

Mills is not here to build a championship team, he took this job because of the prestige, and he lowered his bar to the floor so that there would be zero expectations.

IF mills really cared about the knicks and wanted to stop the bleeding, he would have urged DOLAN to bring in somebody with a proven track record.

Mills got a grade D or lower for ever move he made this summer.. I'm hoping most people (including myself) are wrong, but i seriously doubt it

Mills is in almost a no lose situation. He set the table to sck--so any upside he gets credit. He really cant lose so he wins atleast for the next 2 years. His only downside this year is THJ. Bt even if THJ is not up to the challenge--its easily a blame game on the rest of the team and coach. Guys like Kanter Beasley Sessions can all have upside at minimal cost to the team. Frabnk is great--I agreed with the pick if Frank scks Phil fcked up. Its not brain science.

This is not how experience GM'S operate. Mills has been part of the losing culture, he help formulate the culture with PHIL, and now he has taking over, and using youth has his scapegoat.

He's not building through the draft because he hasn't acquired any 1st round picks. He is adding sub par players. Here's the one thing Im yet to figure out..

HOW LONG IS MILLS CONTRACT FOR, I don't think that's ever came up

Why you are expecting experienced GM to agree working for Dolan after what transpired last 20 years?
Only bureaucrats like Mills and beginners like Perry will take on it as they have no better choice.
You are asking for some alternative reality to take hold but this is not TV show, this is life.
So get with the program of hope or you will be miserable fan for the rest of your life. What the point?

when your first major move as president is consider to be one of the worst off season acquisitions in the entire NBA this off season, you know were in trouble

https://www.thescore.com/nba/news/137191...

Tim Hardaway Jr., New York Knicks

The four-year, $71-million contract the Knicks handed Hardaway Jr. - which was reportedly over $20 million more than what the Atlanta Hawks put on the table - will constantly be in the back of fans' minds when watching the 25-year-old ball at Madison Square Garden.

You could label his final year in Atlanta as somewhat of a breakout, but if you want to go down that path, you'd also have to acknowledge that his numbers probably still didn't warrant such an extravagant contract.

Hardaway Jr. is a fine offensive guard with some decent upside, but he comes with his fair share of flaws on both ends, creating more of an uphill battle for him to justify his newfound wealth - a result of New York's readiness to outbid themselves, mind you.

basically, mills is following in the Foot steps of layden & Isaiah,

Bonn1997 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

arkrud wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

knickstorrents wrote:They couldn't do what they did if they didn't DRAFT Harden, Durant, and Westbrook. Everything fell from that. And these star players they have are rentals anyway, there's no long term for this nucleus. And once the nucleus added Melo, it's ultimately flawed. Melo is not even a 3rd option on a championship team, he's a sparkplug off the bench!!!!

They were about to lose Harden the same way they lost KD(for nothing)but struck a deal with houston.

The knicks have had solid draft picks over the years, and have let them go in bad trades, developing them in a losing environments, or let them walk.

The players we have now are just excited to be playing IN NY, the worst city on earth to try and develop. You have seen all the bull shh incidents that have happen in clubs and the night life just over the last couple seasons, our own player gets shot coming out of a club. Try focusing as a 20 something yr old with millions in your pocket, living in NY, playing in front of celebrities every night

You listen to walt about how reed was a true leader and kept guys in check including walt himself

The point is, that's the type of leadership you develop young players with.

The young guys we have now, should be playing behind guys like wade, labron, Paul geogre, cp3, harden, ect, they should have a very experince coach with a winning track record, they should have leaders that are still impacting the game.

Mills is not here to build a championship team, he took this job because of the prestige, and he lowered his bar to the floor so that there would be zero expectations.

IF mills really cared about the knicks and wanted to stop the bleeding, he would have urged DOLAN to bring in somebody with a proven track record.

Mills got a grade D or lower for ever move he made this summer.. I'm hoping most people (including myself) are wrong, but i seriously doubt it

Mills is in almost a no lose situation. He set the table to sck--so any upside he gets credit. He really cant lose so he wins atleast for the next 2 years. His only downside this year is THJ. Bt even if THJ is not up to the challenge--its easily a blame game on the rest of the team and coach. Guys like Kanter Beasley Sessions can all have upside at minimal cost to the team. Frabnk is great--I agreed with the pick if Frank scks Phil fcked up. Its not brain science.

This is not how experience GM'S operate. Mills has been part of the losing culture, he help formulate the culture with PHIL, and now he has taking over, and using youth has his scapegoat.

He's not building through the draft because he hasn't acquired any 1st round picks. He is adding sub par players. Here's the one thing Im yet to figure out..

HOW LONG IS MILLS CONTRACT FOR, I don't think that's ever came up

Why you are expecting experienced GM to agree working for Dolan after what transpired last 20 years?
Only bureaucrats like Mills and beginners like Perry will take on it as they have no better choice.
You are asking for some alternative reality to take hold but this is not TV show, this is life.
So get with the program of hope or you will be miserable fan for the rest of your life. What the point?

when your first major move as president is consider to be one of the worst off season acquisitions in the entire NBA this off season, you know were in trouble

https://www.thescore.com/nba/news/137191...

Tim Hardaway Jr., New York Knicks

The four-year, $71-million contract the Knicks handed Hardaway Jr. - which was reportedly over $20 million more than what the Atlanta Hawks put on the table - will constantly be in the back of fans' minds when watching the 25-year-old ball at Madison Square Garden.

You could label his final year in Atlanta as somewhat of a breakout, but if you want to go down that path, you'd also have to acknowledge that his numbers probably still didn't warrant such an extravagant contract.

Hardaway Jr. is a fine offensive guard with some decent upside, but he comes with his fair share of flaws on both ends, creating more of an uphill battle for him to justify his newfound wealth - a result of New York's readiness to outbid themselves, mind you.

basically, mills is following in the Foot steps of layden & Isaiah,

What makes Chris Walder's opinion that important? How much do you even know about him?

HONESTLY DUDE, if the article stated Thj was the best signing of the summer, you wouldn't question his credibility. That's what goes on around here, when ever there's a negative write up, you guys question the writers opinion, or motive. Yet when there is a positive write up, it's all good regardless of the writer.

There is next to nobody on earth who feels THJ wasn't grossly over paid(allan houston style), the good thing is, he has a chance to change that perception sooner than later

Bonn1997 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

arkrud wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

knickstorrents wrote:They couldn't do what they did if they didn't DRAFT Harden, Durant, and Westbrook. Everything fell from that. And these star players they have are rentals anyway, there's no long term for this nucleus. And once the nucleus added Melo, it's ultimately flawed. Melo is not even a 3rd option on a championship team, he's a sparkplug off the bench!!!!

They were about to lose Harden the same way they lost KD(for nothing)but struck a deal with houston.

The knicks have had solid draft picks over the years, and have let them go in bad trades, developing them in a losing environments, or let them walk.

The players we have now are just excited to be playing IN NY, the worst city on earth to try and develop. You have seen all the bull shh incidents that have happen in clubs and the night life just over the last couple seasons, our own player gets shot coming out of a club. Try focusing as a 20 something yr old with millions in your pocket, living in NY, playing in front of celebrities every night

You listen to walt about how reed was a true leader and kept guys in check including walt himself

The point is, that's the type of leadership you develop young players with.

The young guys we have now, should be playing behind guys like wade, labron, Paul geogre, cp3, harden, ect, they should have a very experince coach with a winning track record, they should have leaders that are still impacting the game.

Mills is not here to build a championship team, he took this job because of the prestige, and he lowered his bar to the floor so that there would be zero expectations.

IF mills really cared about the knicks and wanted to stop the bleeding, he would have urged DOLAN to bring in somebody with a proven track record.

Mills got a grade D or lower for ever move he made this summer.. I'm hoping most people (including myself) are wrong, but i seriously doubt it

Mills is in almost a no lose situation. He set the table to sck--so any upside he gets credit. He really cant lose so he wins atleast for the next 2 years. His only downside this year is THJ. Bt even if THJ is not up to the challenge--its easily a blame game on the rest of the team and coach. Guys like Kanter Beasley Sessions can all have upside at minimal cost to the team. Frabnk is great--I agreed with the pick if Frank scks Phil fcked up. Its not brain science.

This is not how experience GM'S operate. Mills has been part of the losing culture, he help formulate the culture with PHIL, and now he has taking over, and using youth has his scapegoat.

He's not building through the draft because he hasn't acquired any 1st round picks. He is adding sub par players. Here's the one thing Im yet to figure out..

HOW LONG IS MILLS CONTRACT FOR, I don't think that's ever came up

Why you are expecting experienced GM to agree working for Dolan after what transpired last 20 years?
Only bureaucrats like Mills and beginners like Perry will take on it as they have no better choice.
You are asking for some alternative reality to take hold but this is not TV show, this is life.
So get with the program of hope or you will be miserable fan for the rest of your life. What the point?

when your first major move as president is consider to be one of the worst off season acquisitions in the entire NBA this off season, you know were in trouble

https://www.thescore.com/nba/news/137191...

Tim Hardaway Jr., New York Knicks

The four-year, $71-million contract the Knicks handed Hardaway Jr. - which was reportedly over $20 million more than what the Atlanta Hawks put on the table - will constantly be in the back of fans' minds when watching the 25-year-old ball at Madison Square Garden.

You could label his final year in Atlanta as somewhat of a breakout, but if you want to go down that path, you'd also have to acknowledge that his numbers probably still didn't warrant such an extravagant contract.

Hardaway Jr. is a fine offensive guard with some decent upside, but he comes with his fair share of flaws on both ends, creating more of an uphill battle for him to justify his newfound wealth - a result of New York's readiness to outbid themselves, mind you.

basically, mills is following in the Foot steps of layden & Isaiah,

What makes Chris Walder's opinion that important? How much do you even know about him?

HONESTLY DUDE, if the article stated Thj was the best signing of the summer, you wouldn't question his credibility. That's what goes on around here, when ever there's a negative write up, you guys question the writers opinion, or motive. Yet when there is a positive write up, it's all good regardless of the writer.

There is next to nobody on earth who feels THJ wasn't grossly over paid(allan houston style), the good thing is, he has a chance to change that perception sooner than later

knicks1248 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

arkrud wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

knickstorrents wrote:They couldn't do what they did if they didn't DRAFT Harden, Durant, and Westbrook. Everything fell from that. And these star players they have are rentals anyway, there's no long term for this nucleus. And once the nucleus added Melo, it's ultimately flawed. Melo is not even a 3rd option on a championship team, he's a sparkplug off the bench!!!!

They were about to lose Harden the same way they lost KD(for nothing)but struck a deal with houston.

The knicks have had solid draft picks over the years, and have let them go in bad trades, developing them in a losing environments, or let them walk.

The players we have now are just excited to be playing IN NY, the worst city on earth to try and develop. You have seen all the bull shh incidents that have happen in clubs and the night life just over the last couple seasons, our own player gets shot coming out of a club. Try focusing as a 20 something yr old with millions in your pocket, living in NY, playing in front of celebrities every night

You listen to walt about how reed was a true leader and kept guys in check including walt himself

The point is, that's the type of leadership you develop young players with.

The young guys we have now, should be playing behind guys like wade, labron, Paul geogre, cp3, harden, ect, they should have a very experince coach with a winning track record, they should have leaders that are still impacting the game.

Mills is not here to build a championship team, he took this job because of the prestige, and he lowered his bar to the floor so that there would be zero expectations.

IF mills really cared about the knicks and wanted to stop the bleeding, he would have urged DOLAN to bring in somebody with a proven track record.

Mills got a grade D or lower for ever move he made this summer.. I'm hoping most people (including myself) are wrong, but i seriously doubt it

Mills is in almost a no lose situation. He set the table to sck--so any upside he gets credit. He really cant lose so he wins atleast for the next 2 years. His only downside this year is THJ. Bt even if THJ is not up to the challenge--its easily a blame game on the rest of the team and coach. Guys like Kanter Beasley Sessions can all have upside at minimal cost to the team. Frabnk is great--I agreed with the pick if Frank scks Phil fcked up. Its not brain science.

This is not how experience GM'S operate. Mills has been part of the losing culture, he help formulate the culture with PHIL, and now he has taking over, and using youth has his scapegoat.

He's not building through the draft because he hasn't acquired any 1st round picks. He is adding sub par players. Here's the one thing Im yet to figure out..

HOW LONG IS MILLS CONTRACT FOR, I don't think that's ever came up

Why you are expecting experienced GM to agree working for Dolan after what transpired last 20 years?
Only bureaucrats like Mills and beginners like Perry will take on it as they have no better choice.
You are asking for some alternative reality to take hold but this is not TV show, this is life.
So get with the program of hope or you will be miserable fan for the rest of your life. What the point?

when your first major move as president is consider to be one of the worst off season acquisitions in the entire NBA this off season, you know were in trouble

https://www.thescore.com/nba/news/137191...

Tim Hardaway Jr., New York Knicks

The four-year, $71-million contract the Knicks handed Hardaway Jr. - which was reportedly over $20 million more than what the Atlanta Hawks put on the table - will constantly be in the back of fans' minds when watching the 25-year-old ball at Madison Square Garden.

You could label his final year in Atlanta as somewhat of a breakout, but if you want to go down that path, you'd also have to acknowledge that his numbers probably still didn't warrant such an extravagant contract.

Hardaway Jr. is a fine offensive guard with some decent upside, but he comes with his fair share of flaws on both ends, creating more of an uphill battle for him to justify his newfound wealth - a result of New York's readiness to outbid themselves, mind you.

basically, mills is following in the Foot steps of layden & Isaiah,

What makes Chris Walder's opinion that important? How much do you even know about him?

HONESTLY DUDE, if the article stated Thj was the best signing of the summer, you wouldn't question his credibility. That's what goes on around here, when ever there's a negative write up, you guys question the writers opinion, or motive. Yet when there is a positive write up, it's all good regardless of the writer.

There is next to nobody on earth who feels THJ wasn't grossly over paid(allan houston style), the good thing is, he has a chance to change that perception sooner than later

So after the you know who is gone the next source of gloom and depression in Thj...
Get some life man. Do some yoga and meditation, be more on fresh air, watch less TV and read less Knicks blogs...

knicks1248 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

arkrud wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

knickstorrents wrote:They couldn't do what they did if they didn't DRAFT Harden, Durant, and Westbrook. Everything fell from that. And these star players they have are rentals anyway, there's no long term for this nucleus. And once the nucleus added Melo, it's ultimately flawed. Melo is not even a 3rd option on a championship team, he's a sparkplug off the bench!!!!

They were about to lose Harden the same way they lost KD(for nothing)but struck a deal with houston.

The knicks have had solid draft picks over the years, and have let them go in bad trades, developing them in a losing environments, or let them walk.

The players we have now are just excited to be playing IN NY, the worst city on earth to try and develop. You have seen all the bull shh incidents that have happen in clubs and the night life just over the last couple seasons, our own player gets shot coming out of a club. Try focusing as a 20 something yr old with millions in your pocket, living in NY, playing in front of celebrities every night

You listen to walt about how reed was a true leader and kept guys in check including walt himself

The point is, that's the type of leadership you develop young players with.

The young guys we have now, should be playing behind guys like wade, labron, Paul geogre, cp3, harden, ect, they should have a very experince coach with a winning track record, they should have leaders that are still impacting the game.

Mills is not here to build a championship team, he took this job because of the prestige, and he lowered his bar to the floor so that there would be zero expectations.

IF mills really cared about the knicks and wanted to stop the bleeding, he would have urged DOLAN to bring in somebody with a proven track record.

Mills got a grade D or lower for ever move he made this summer.. I'm hoping most people (including myself) are wrong, but i seriously doubt it

Mills is in almost a no lose situation. He set the table to sck--so any upside he gets credit. He really cant lose so he wins atleast for the next 2 years. His only downside this year is THJ. Bt even if THJ is not up to the challenge--its easily a blame game on the rest of the team and coach. Guys like Kanter Beasley Sessions can all have upside at minimal cost to the team. Frabnk is great--I agreed with the pick if Frank scks Phil fcked up. Its not brain science.

This is not how experience GM'S operate. Mills has been part of the losing culture, he help formulate the culture with PHIL, and now he has taking over, and using youth has his scapegoat.

He's not building through the draft because he hasn't acquired any 1st round picks. He is adding sub par players. Here's the one thing Im yet to figure out..

HOW LONG IS MILLS CONTRACT FOR, I don't think that's ever came up

Why you are expecting experienced GM to agree working for Dolan after what transpired last 20 years?
Only bureaucrats like Mills and beginners like Perry will take on it as they have no better choice.
You are asking for some alternative reality to take hold but this is not TV show, this is life.
So get with the program of hope or you will be miserable fan for the rest of your life. What the point?

when your first major move as president is consider to be one of the worst off season acquisitions in the entire NBA this off season, you know were in trouble

https://www.thescore.com/nba/news/137191...

Tim Hardaway Jr., New York Knicks

The four-year, $71-million contract the Knicks handed Hardaway Jr. - which was reportedly over $20 million more than what the Atlanta Hawks put on the table - will constantly be in the back of fans' minds when watching the 25-year-old ball at Madison Square Garden.

You could label his final year in Atlanta as somewhat of a breakout, but if you want to go down that path, you'd also have to acknowledge that his numbers probably still didn't warrant such an extravagant contract.

Hardaway Jr. is a fine offensive guard with some decent upside, but he comes with his fair share of flaws on both ends, creating more of an uphill battle for him to justify his newfound wealth - a result of New York's readiness to outbid themselves, mind you.

basically, mills is following in the Foot steps of layden & Isaiah,

What makes Chris Walder's opinion that important? How much do you even know about him?

HONESTLY DUDE, if the article stated Thj was the best signing of the summer, you wouldn't question his credibility. That's what goes on around here, when ever there's a negative write up, you guys question the writers opinion, or motive. Yet when there is a positive write up, it's all good regardless of the writer.

There is next to nobody on earth who feels THJ wasn't grossly over paid(allan houston style), the good thing is, he has a chance to change that perception sooner than later

The Knicks THJ signing made no sense at all, especially in early July .. last season the Knicks strongest area on the court were at the SG position. The Knicks weakest area on the court in every game last season were at both forward position, plus weak at not having a starter PG .. D.Rose performance n style should have been switch asap early in the season to the Knicks starting SG position.

and this one, which I think everyone is forgetting:
4) a willingness to be guaranteed basically nothing for next year... Presti won't be looking so great if he can't keep the band together

knicks1248 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

arkrud wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

knickstorrents wrote:They couldn't do what they did if they didn't DRAFT Harden, Durant, and Westbrook. Everything fell from that. And these star players they have are rentals anyway, there's no long term for this nucleus. And once the nucleus added Melo, it's ultimately flawed. Melo is not even a 3rd option on a championship team, he's a sparkplug off the bench!!!!

They were about to lose Harden the same way they lost KD(for nothing)but struck a deal with houston.

The knicks have had solid draft picks over the years, and have let them go in bad trades, developing them in a losing environments, or let them walk.

The players we have now are just excited to be playing IN NY, the worst city on earth to try and develop. You have seen all the bull shh incidents that have happen in clubs and the night life just over the last couple seasons, our own player gets shot coming out of a club. Try focusing as a 20 something yr old with millions in your pocket, living in NY, playing in front of celebrities every night

You listen to walt about how reed was a true leader and kept guys in check including walt himself

The point is, that's the type of leadership you develop young players with.

The young guys we have now, should be playing behind guys like wade, labron, Paul geogre, cp3, harden, ect, they should have a very experince coach with a winning track record, they should have leaders that are still impacting the game.

Mills is not here to build a championship team, he took this job because of the prestige, and he lowered his bar to the floor so that there would be zero expectations.

IF mills really cared about the knicks and wanted to stop the bleeding, he would have urged DOLAN to bring in somebody with a proven track record.

Mills got a grade D or lower for ever move he made this summer.. I'm hoping most people (including myself) are wrong, but i seriously doubt it

Mills is in almost a no lose situation. He set the table to sck--so any upside he gets credit. He really cant lose so he wins atleast for the next 2 years. His only downside this year is THJ. Bt even if THJ is not up to the challenge--its easily a blame game on the rest of the team and coach. Guys like Kanter Beasley Sessions can all have upside at minimal cost to the team. Frabnk is great--I agreed with the pick if Frank scks Phil fcked up. Its not brain science.

This is not how experience GM'S operate. Mills has been part of the losing culture, he help formulate the culture with PHIL, and now he has taking over, and using youth has his scapegoat.

He's not building through the draft because he hasn't acquired any 1st round picks. He is adding sub par players. Here's the one thing Im yet to figure out..

HOW LONG IS MILLS CONTRACT FOR, I don't think that's ever came up

Why you are expecting experienced GM to agree working for Dolan after what transpired last 20 years?
Only bureaucrats like Mills and beginners like Perry will take on it as they have no better choice.
You are asking for some alternative reality to take hold but this is not TV show, this is life.
So get with the program of hope or you will be miserable fan for the rest of your life. What the point?

when your first major move as president is consider to be one of the worst off season acquisitions in the entire NBA this off season, you know were in trouble

https://www.thescore.com/nba/news/137191...

Tim Hardaway Jr., New York Knicks

The four-year, $71-million contract the Knicks handed Hardaway Jr. - which was reportedly over $20 million more than what the Atlanta Hawks put on the table - will constantly be in the back of fans' minds when watching the 25-year-old ball at Madison Square Garden.

You could label his final year in Atlanta as somewhat of a breakout, but if you want to go down that path, you'd also have to acknowledge that his numbers probably still didn't warrant such an extravagant contract.

Hardaway Jr. is a fine offensive guard with some decent upside, but he comes with his fair share of flaws on both ends, creating more of an uphill battle for him to justify his newfound wealth - a result of New York's readiness to outbid themselves, mind you.

basically, mills is following in the Foot steps of layden & Isaiah,

What makes Chris Walder's opinion that important? How much do you even know about him?

HONESTLY DUDE, if the article stated Thj was the best signing of the summer, you wouldn't question his credibility. That's what goes on around here, when ever there's a negative write up, you guys question the writers opinion, or motive. Yet when there is a positive write up, it's all good regardless of the writer.

There is next to nobody on earth who feels THJ wasn't grossly over paid(allan houston style), the good thing is, he has a chance to change that perception sooner than later

Kemet wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

arkrud wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

knickstorrents wrote:They couldn't do what they did if they didn't DRAFT Harden, Durant, and Westbrook. Everything fell from that. And these star players they have are rentals anyway, there's no long term for this nucleus. And once the nucleus added Melo, it's ultimately flawed. Melo is not even a 3rd option on a championship team, he's a sparkplug off the bench!!!!

They were about to lose Harden the same way they lost KD(for nothing)but struck a deal with houston.

The knicks have had solid draft picks over the years, and have let them go in bad trades, developing them in a losing environments, or let them walk.

The players we have now are just excited to be playing IN NY, the worst city on earth to try and develop. You have seen all the bull shh incidents that have happen in clubs and the night life just over the last couple seasons, our own player gets shot coming out of a club. Try focusing as a 20 something yr old with millions in your pocket, living in NY, playing in front of celebrities every night

You listen to walt about how reed was a true leader and kept guys in check including walt himself

The point is, that's the type of leadership you develop young players with.

The young guys we have now, should be playing behind guys like wade, labron, Paul geogre, cp3, harden, ect, they should have a very experince coach with a winning track record, they should have leaders that are still impacting the game.

Mills is not here to build a championship team, he took this job because of the prestige, and he lowered his bar to the floor so that there would be zero expectations.

IF mills really cared about the knicks and wanted to stop the bleeding, he would have urged DOLAN to bring in somebody with a proven track record.

Mills got a grade D or lower for ever move he made this summer.. I'm hoping most people (including myself) are wrong, but i seriously doubt it

Mills is in almost a no lose situation. He set the table to sck--so any upside he gets credit. He really cant lose so he wins atleast for the next 2 years. His only downside this year is THJ. Bt even if THJ is not up to the challenge--its easily a blame game on the rest of the team and coach. Guys like Kanter Beasley Sessions can all have upside at minimal cost to the team. Frabnk is great--I agreed with the pick if Frank scks Phil fcked up. Its not brain science.

This is not how experience GM'S operate. Mills has been part of the losing culture, he help formulate the culture with PHIL, and now he has taking over, and using youth has his scapegoat.

He's not building through the draft because he hasn't acquired any 1st round picks. He is adding sub par players. Here's the one thing Im yet to figure out..

HOW LONG IS MILLS CONTRACT FOR, I don't think that's ever came up

Why you are expecting experienced GM to agree working for Dolan after what transpired last 20 years?
Only bureaucrats like Mills and beginners like Perry will take on it as they have no better choice.
You are asking for some alternative reality to take hold but this is not TV show, this is life.
So get with the program of hope or you will be miserable fan for the rest of your life. What the point?

when your first major move as president is consider to be one of the worst off season acquisitions in the entire NBA this off season, you know were in trouble

https://www.thescore.com/nba/news/137191...

Tim Hardaway Jr., New York Knicks

The four-year, $71-million contract the Knicks handed Hardaway Jr. - which was reportedly over $20 million more than what the Atlanta Hawks put on the table - will constantly be in the back of fans' minds when watching the 25-year-old ball at Madison Square Garden.

You could label his final year in Atlanta as somewhat of a breakout, but if you want to go down that path, you'd also have to acknowledge that his numbers probably still didn't warrant such an extravagant contract.

Hardaway Jr. is a fine offensive guard with some decent upside, but he comes with his fair share of flaws on both ends, creating more of an uphill battle for him to justify his newfound wealth - a result of New York's readiness to outbid themselves, mind you.

basically, mills is following in the Foot steps of layden & Isaiah,

What makes Chris Walder's opinion that important? How much do you even know about him?

HONESTLY DUDE, if the article stated Thj was the best signing of the summer, you wouldn't question his credibility. That's what goes on around here, when ever there's a negative write up, you guys question the writers opinion, or motive. Yet when there is a positive write up, it's all good regardless of the writer.

There is next to nobody on earth who feels THJ wasn't grossly over paid(allan houston style), the good thing is, he has a chance to change that perception sooner than later

The Knicks THJ signing made no sense at all, especially in early July .. last season the Knicks strongest area on the court were at the SG position. The Knicks weakest area on the court in every game last season were at both forward position, plus weak at not having a starter PG .. D.Rose performance n style should have been switch asap early in the season to the Knicks starting SG position.

StarksEwing1 wrote:he could have easily given in to Houston and taken back ryan Anderson's contract but waited it out and got back at least some type of compensation and no contracts that will hinder us for 3-4 years. Obviously he needs to continue to make good moves and draft well but I like his start and philosophy so far

i wonder if he stood his ground and let Melo come to camp if Melo would of put Portland on the list

Bonn1997 wrote:

Kemet wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

arkrud wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

knickstorrents wrote:They couldn't do what they did if they didn't DRAFT Harden, Durant, and Westbrook. Everything fell from that. And these star players they have are rentals anyway, there's no long term for this nucleus. And once the nucleus added Melo, it's ultimately flawed. Melo is not even a 3rd option on a championship team, he's a sparkplug off the bench!!!!

They were about to lose Harden the same way they lost KD(for nothing)but struck a deal with houston.

The knicks have had solid draft picks over the years, and have let them go in bad trades, developing them in a losing environments, or let them walk.

The players we have now are just excited to be playing IN NY, the worst city on earth to try and develop. You have seen all the bull shh incidents that have happen in clubs and the night life just over the last couple seasons, our own player gets shot coming out of a club. Try focusing as a 20 something yr old with millions in your pocket, living in NY, playing in front of celebrities every night

You listen to walt about how reed was a true leader and kept guys in check including walt himself

The point is, that's the type of leadership you develop young players with.

The young guys we have now, should be playing behind guys like wade, labron, Paul geogre, cp3, harden, ect, they should have a very experince coach with a winning track record, they should have leaders that are still impacting the game.

Mills is not here to build a championship team, he took this job because of the prestige, and he lowered his bar to the floor so that there would be zero expectations.

IF mills really cared about the knicks and wanted to stop the bleeding, he would have urged DOLAN to bring in somebody with a proven track record.

Mills got a grade D or lower for ever move he made this summer.. I'm hoping most people (including myself) are wrong, but i seriously doubt it

Mills is in almost a no lose situation. He set the table to sck--so any upside he gets credit. He really cant lose so he wins atleast for the next 2 years. His only downside this year is THJ. Bt even if THJ is not up to the challenge--its easily a blame game on the rest of the team and coach. Guys like Kanter Beasley Sessions can all have upside at minimal cost to the team. Frabnk is great--I agreed with the pick if Frank scks Phil fcked up. Its not brain science.

This is not how experience GM'S operate. Mills has been part of the losing culture, he help formulate the culture with PHIL, and now he has taking over, and using youth has his scapegoat.

He's not building through the draft because he hasn't acquired any 1st round picks. He is adding sub par players. Here's the one thing Im yet to figure out..

HOW LONG IS MILLS CONTRACT FOR, I don't think that's ever came up

Why you are expecting experienced GM to agree working for Dolan after what transpired last 20 years?
Only bureaucrats like Mills and beginners like Perry will take on it as they have no better choice.
You are asking for some alternative reality to take hold but this is not TV show, this is life.
So get with the program of hope or you will be miserable fan for the rest of your life. What the point?

when your first major move as president is consider to be one of the worst off season acquisitions in the entire NBA this off season, you know were in trouble

https://www.thescore.com/nba/news/137191...

Tim Hardaway Jr., New York Knicks

The four-year, $71-million contract the Knicks handed Hardaway Jr. - which was reportedly over $20 million more than what the Atlanta Hawks put on the table - will constantly be in the back of fans' minds when watching the 25-year-old ball at Madison Square Garden.

You could label his final year in Atlanta as somewhat of a breakout, but if you want to go down that path, you'd also have to acknowledge that his numbers probably still didn't warrant such an extravagant contract.

Hardaway Jr. is a fine offensive guard with some decent upside, but he comes with his fair share of flaws on both ends, creating more of an uphill battle for him to justify his newfound wealth - a result of New York's readiness to outbid themselves, mind you.

basically, mills is following in the Foot steps of layden & Isaiah,

What makes Chris Walder's opinion that important? How much do you even know about him?

HONESTLY DUDE, if the article stated Thj was the best signing of the summer, you wouldn't question his credibility. That's what goes on around here, when ever there's a negative write up, you guys question the writers opinion, or motive. Yet when there is a positive write up, it's all good regardless of the writer.

There is next to nobody on earth who feels THJ wasn't grossly over paid(allan houston style), the good thing is, he has a chance to change that perception sooner than later

The Knicks THJ signing made no sense at all, especially in early July .. last season the Knicks strongest area on the court were at the SG position. The Knicks weakest area on the court in every game last season were at both forward position, plus weak at not having a starter PG .. D.Rose performance n style should have been switch asap early in the season to the Knicks starting SG position.

Wait, what?!