Knicks · I miss the Triangle (page 1)
No offense, but tell me too when the team has failed with 3pt, fast pace, and pick-and-roll? Every year. Which bad team wanted or wants to play "slow"? They always say they emphasize defense or pace or 3pt or something something, but they didn't make it work. They suck, because the teams are bad, not because what they say or try.
There is a video trying to analyze some games of last season. We just did 5% of triangle on average every games. It was not surprised, as Jeff didn't know triangle.
I mean, it is very easy to blame on triangle because local media told you so. But which playoff team actually has used it? From the day Phil Jackson won his first champion to now (27 years?) , there is NONE. Twolf and Knicks tried to use it but they were very bad teams. No one knows if it works because no one uses it. The reason is beyond basketball. It is about business and politics. Alpha stars would not like it because it forces them to share the ball and lower their score, ans score is equal to money.
But again, we are the true detective of NBA. Everything we tried but failed, then that thing must be shi t. Somewhere, Kerr must be very relieved that we didn't try his "system", otherwise we would prove that he only won just because he has Curry, Green, KD and Klay. He only merely won 2 champs. It doesn't mean anything. Even 11 champs doesn't mean anything. 
GustavBahler wrote:mlby1215 wrote:I am ready to blame the pick-and-roll and 3pt very soon. Knicks tried! but it doesn't work!! 3pt is too outdated! passing is useless!! Of course GSW can play that way because they have KD and Curry!! Just like MJ, Kobe and Shaq!! Knicks has proved and will continue to prove how outdated and unless of every "winning" system.
Please tell me when was the last time the Triangle has been run succesfully in this league as a system. The last time a team made it to the playoffs running the Triangle. Blame yourself for not paying attention.
I can tell you the last time teams did all the things you cited, successfully. Its called the playoffs.
Give it up. The Triangle is gone, as Hofstra said, watch some old youtube videos if you get sentimental. Better than more crapola about a system that did absolutely nothing for this franchise.
mlby1215 wrote:2011?No offense, but tell me too when the team has failed with 3pt, fast pace, and pick-and-roll? Every year. Which bad team wanted or wants to play "slow"? They always say they emphasize defense or pace or 3pt or something something, but they didn't make it work. They suck, because the teams are bad, not because what they say or try.
There is a video trying to analyze some games of last season. We just did 5% of triangle on average every games. It was not surprised, as Jeff didn't know triangle.
I mean, it is very easy to blame on triangle because local media told you so. But which playoff team actually has used it? From the day Phil Jackson won his first champion to now (27 years?) , there is NONE. Twolf and Knicks tried to use it but they were very bad teams. No one knows if it works because no one uses it. The reason is beyond basketball. It is about business and politics. Alpha stars would not like it because it forces them to share the ball and lower their score, ans score is equal to money.
But again, we are the true detective of NBA. Everything we tried but failed, then that thing must be shi t. Somewhere, Kerr must be very relieved that we didn't try his "system", otherwise we would prove that he only won just because he has Curry, Green, KD and Klay. He only merely won 2 champs. It doesn't mean anything. Even 11 champs doesn't mean anything.
GustavBahler wrote:mlby1215 wrote:I am ready to blame the pick-and-roll and 3pt very soon. Knicks tried! but it doesn't work!! 3pt is too outdated! passing is useless!! Of course GSW can play that way because they have KD and Curry!! Just like MJ, Kobe and Shaq!! Knicks has proved and will continue to prove how outdated and unless of every "winning" system.
Please tell me when was the last time the Triangle has been run succesfully in this league as a system. The last time a team made it to the playoffs running the Triangle. Blame yourself for not paying attention.
And there was only two head coaches who actually ran it on their own, right? You can say only Phil Jackson doing it successfully or only Rambis doing it unsuccessfully. Which one do you want to take? Like it won it 11 champs times or it couldn't help some lottery teams to be good teams? Don't you think teams should never shoot 3pt again because bad teams shoot 3pts and failed?
Yeah, it wasted time. Hopefully we will never shoot 3pts again because it will not help us make to playoff and it will waste our time to play that way? Why run? you will lose. Why doing transaction defense? You still lose. Why pick-and-roll? You still can't make to playoff that way.
What system would help the team make to playoff in 14/15? People still want to find an excuse for the losing. There is a whole lot of reasons a team can lose and if you need to a reason, how about doing it starting from the players? or the coaches? or the environment? And maybe you should think about why it won 11 champs in 20 years? Our team was so bad and first thing you would think about is the system which actually had run many times successfully?
No one will run triangle, and as Phil is going to die and triangle will die with him. No one try to hold it up or something. But look it back, you really think triangle had hold the team back or the team didn't know how to do it?
50 years later. people will remember how the mysterious triangle system could not help that Knicks team getting back to playoff. Even though it won 11 champions with Phil Jackson.
Yeah, right?
I can understand your anger, but the failure is not related to triangle. It is just a way for the media to attack Knicks and/or Phil Jackson. Show some respect to the history of NBA. I do not think we will see another person who could win 11 champions in our lifetimes.
GustavBahler wrote:Cant answer the question can you? Cant tell me the last time ANYONE was succesful running the Triangle as a system? The last time anyone not named Phil Jackson (with the inventor of the Triangle sitting right next to him) did anything in this league with it? Don't care how many times they ran it. Plenty of time was spent trying to get it down. Wasted time.I can tell you the last time teams did all the things you cited, successfully. Its called the playoffs.
Give it up. The Triangle is gone, as Hofstra said, watch some old youtube videos if you get sentimental. Better than more crapola about a system that did absolutely nothing for this franchise.
mlby1215 wrote:2011?No offense, but tell me too when the team has failed with 3pt, fast pace, and pick-and-roll? Every year. Which bad team wanted or wants to play "slow"? They always say they emphasize defense or pace or 3pt or something something, but they didn't make it work. They suck, because the teams are bad, not because what they say or try.
There is a video trying to analyze some games of last season. We just did 5% of triangle on average every games. It was not surprised, as Jeff didn't know triangle.
I mean, it is very easy to blame on triangle because local media told you so. But which playoff team actually has used it? From the day Phil Jackson won his first champion to now (27 years?) , there is NONE. Twolf and Knicks tried to use it but they were very bad teams. No one knows if it works because no one uses it. The reason is beyond basketball. It is about business and politics. Alpha stars would not like it because it forces them to share the ball and lower their score, ans score is equal to money.
But again, we are the true detective of NBA. Everything we tried but failed, then that thing must be shi t. Somewhere, Kerr must be very relieved that we didn't try his "system", otherwise we would prove that he only won just because he has Curry, Green, KD and Klay. He only merely won 2 champs. It doesn't mean anything. Even 11 champs doesn't mean anything.
GustavBahler wrote:mlby1215 wrote:I am ready to blame the pick-and-roll and 3pt very soon. Knicks tried! but it doesn't work!! 3pt is too outdated! passing is useless!! Of course GSW can play that way because they have KD and Curry!! Just like MJ, Kobe and Shaq!! Knicks has proved and will continue to prove how outdated and unless of every "winning" system.
Please tell me when was the last time the Triangle has been run succesfully in this league as a system. The last time a team made it to the playoffs running the Triangle. Blame yourself for not paying attention.
Only one man succesfully ran this sytem in the NBA. He had the inventor of this system as his wing man. None of the coach's on Jackson's tree could do anything with this system in today's NBA. The players didn't like it, the coach couldnt teach it, the assistant coach who had many years of this system under his belt couldnt teach it.
So when I keep hearing about a great system that absolutely no one can succesfully replicate, I wonder if posters like yourself are paying attention. Looking back when they should be looking forward. The Triangle as a system is dead and buried in the NBA. Get over it. The only thing that upsets me is still hearing about a system that is worthless in today's game. You can spend this season reliving the non-existent glory years of the Knicks and the Triangle if you want. Tired of talking about this subject. Its over, move on. Thats what Im doing.
mlby1215 wrote:Did I say 2011?And there was only two head coaches who actually ran it on their own, right? You can say only Phil Jackson doing it successfully or only Rambis doing it unsuccessfully. Which one do you want to take? Like it won it 11 champs times or it couldn't help some lottery teams to be good teams? Don't you think teams should never shoot 3pt again because bad teams shoot 3pts and failed?
Yeah, it wasted time. Hopefully we will never shoot 3pts again because it will not help us make to playoff and it will waste our time to play that way? Why run? you will lose. Why doing transaction defense? You still lose. Why pick-and-roll? You still can't make to playoff that way.
What system would help the team make to playoff in 14/15? People still want to find an excuse for the losing. There is a whole lot of reasons a team can lose and if you need to a reason, how about doing it starting from the players? or the coaches? or the environment? And maybe you should think about why it won 11 champs in 20 years? Our team was so bad and first thing you would think about is the system which actually had run many times successfully?
No one will run triangle, and as Phil is going to die and triangle will die with him. No one try to hold it up or something. But look it back, you really think triangle had hold the team back or the team didn't know how to do it?
50 years later. people will remember how the mysterious triangle system could not help that Knicks team getting back to playoff. Even though it won 11 champions with Phil Jackson.
Yeah, right?
I can understand your anger, but the failure is not related to triangle. It is just a way for the media to attack Knicks and/or Phil Jackson. Show some respect to the history of NBA. I do not think we will see another person who could win 11 champions in our lifetimes.
GustavBahler wrote:Cant answer the question can you? Cant tell me the last time ANYONE was succesful running the Triangle as a system? The last time anyone not named Phil Jackson (with the inventor of the Triangle sitting right next to him) did anything in this league with it? Don't care how many times they ran it. Plenty of time was spent trying to get it down. Wasted time.I can tell you the last time teams did all the things you cited, successfully. Its called the playoffs.
Give it up. The Triangle is gone, as Hofstra said, watch some old youtube videos if you get sentimental. Better than more crapola about a system that did absolutely nothing for this franchise.
mlby1215 wrote:2011?No offense, but tell me too when the team has failed with 3pt, fast pace, and pick-and-roll? Every year. Which bad team wanted or wants to play "slow"? They always say they emphasize defense or pace or 3pt or something something, but they didn't make it work. They suck, because the teams are bad, not because what they say or try.
There is a video trying to analyze some games of last season. We just did 5% of triangle on average every games. It was not surprised, as Jeff didn't know triangle.
I mean, it is very easy to blame on triangle because local media told you so. But which playoff team actually has used it? From the day Phil Jackson won his first champion to now (27 years?) , there is NONE. Twolf and Knicks tried to use it but they were very bad teams. No one knows if it works because no one uses it. The reason is beyond basketball. It is about business and politics. Alpha stars would not like it because it forces them to share the ball and lower their score, ans score is equal to money.
But again, we are the true detective of NBA. Everything we tried but failed, then that thing must be shi t. Somewhere, Kerr must be very relieved that we didn't try his "system", otherwise we would prove that he only won just because he has Curry, Green, KD and Klay. He only merely won 2 champs. It doesn't mean anything. Even 11 champs doesn't mean anything.
GustavBahler wrote:mlby1215 wrote:I am ready to blame the pick-and-roll and 3pt very soon. Knicks tried! but it doesn't work!! 3pt is too outdated! passing is useless!! Of course GSW can play that way because they have KD and Curry!! Just like MJ, Kobe and Shaq!! Knicks has proved and will continue to prove how outdated and unless of every "winning" system.
Please tell me when was the last time the Triangle has been run succesfully in this league as a system. The last time a team made it to the playoffs running the Triangle. Blame yourself for not paying attention.