Have been watching the Knicks since the days of Bernard, and through the 80's, 90's, 00's, and 10's can confidently say we have not had a roster as flush with legitimate assets as we do right now. Nine player assets plus draft assets plus a solid front-office. We are rich. Who or what am I missing from the list below?
Our front court
- KP (22yo, 7'3", 240lbs) Legitimate all-star approaching all-world as one of the games best. KP goes max as soon as he's eligible.
- Willy (23yo, 6'11", 240lbs) He is so smooth around the bucket, knows how to pass, just needs to become a tougher down-lo enforcer type. Spend next summer at the car wash with Oakley, that'll do the trick. And we have him on a ridiculously good contract at $1.4M/per for the next three years! Value extraordinaire for the advanced stat geek.
- Kanter (25yo, 6'11", 245lbs) Kanter is the anti-Charles Smith with his ability to grab and put back the offensive boards. Building block!
Our back court
- Frank (19yo, 6'5", 190lbs) The scary thing is Frank is still growing. Hell I grew until I was about 23. Could this kid get to, say, 6'8+, 220lb+, and become a young Giannis? Not as crazy as it sounds, give him 5yrs and we could have a top-3 PG in the whole game
- Timmay (25yo, 6'6", 205lbs) Sunday night was a revelation. Driving to the hoop, shooting from afar, player better D than our past SG/SF types (certainly not Matador-D). If he keeps it up his contract will be seen as a steal. Can he keep it up? Consistency is his challenge for this year but there is enough there to believe he can do it.
Other guys with upside
- Damyean Dotson (23yo, 6'5", 210lbs) He slots into the second unit when/if we trade CLEE. Has the size, bulk, shot, and defensive instincts to be a solid contributor with upside.
- Dougie McBuckets (25yo, 6'8", 219lbs) I like his play so far and think he has room to grow into a solid asset for us. Young, can shoot, gets a little physical, if he can become a lock-down defender then we have another core piece
Our trade assets
- KOQ (27yo, 6'10", 250lbs) He's been playing well from my eye test, and given his youth is going to have significant value to a contender come deadline time. Have to think we get a 1st and expiring for him. This is called maximizing an asset, especially given he's in a contract year and we don't want to pay him with Willy and Kanter on board.
- C Lee (32yo, 6'5", 200lbs) If he keeps producing his 3-n-D he is going to fetch a first (could be a 2019 pick, but that's fine). More ammo for the future, and we have an in-house replacement in Dotson.
Other assets
- Bulls 2nd round pick in 2018, which could be the uber-valuable first pick of that round
- All our first round picks!
- Future cap flexibility, aka we're not in cap hell, even if it's tight
- Stable and professional front office
- Great scouting staff
- Buckets of money for future needs
Guys I don't consider assets, though can be useful
- Baker
- Beasley
- Jack/Sessions
- Kornet
- Noah
- Lance
I'm not sure Timmy will be considered until his contract is expiring. And it's still too early to tell with Dotson. Kanter will be hard to move until the last year of his current deal. The jury is still out on the front office. But I agree with everything else.
Gudris wrote:Your forgott Kuuz :)
What to do with Kuz? He's 28 (6'9", 215lbs), with this team not sure he gets burn. Is he a tradeable asset? A second-unit asset? Or a useful guy but nothing that'll make a difference in our quest for a chip or as a tradeable commodity?
not really flushed. I am bullish, bordering on homer as far as this overall roster but we are not flushed with assets. THj is not an asset. He's had 1 good game in 5. He will not be as bad as the first 4 but he's a long way from being an asset. I think he ends up being a good productive player. I like him for this squad and for what Jeff wants to do. THj is more than just a scorer. He's played hard on defense. I watched him alot vs. Paul George and he really spent a lot of energy defending him. THj also showed he's more than a chucker with his high assist total. He got paid though... so I wouldnt call him asset.
I see us KP/Willy/Frank/Dotson as assets.
I see Lee, Baker, THj, Kuz as even money. Only real value is to get them playing well for us.
I see McD, Kanter, and KOQ as cap friendly or expiring deals attached to players that will have strong trade value.
I see Noah and Lance as players signed for good intentions on deals that are simply bad at this point.
We have a nice roster. I like where we are going after Phil tried to win and make Melo happy by getting Rose and Noah and building a super team. I wouldnt say flushed with assets.
NO MORE trading first round picks we went down that road many times. Hell even that second round pick i want to keep as it is essentially a late first rounder. Also we are still in rebuilding mode so trading picks and young assets makes little sense right now. Im open to trading oquinn and kanter if we get more picks though
The point I'm making fish, is when in the past 40 years (the span I've been watching the Knicks) have we had more good, young assets, including future picks. I'm coming up blank. Thoughts?
StarksEwing1 wrote:NO MORE trading first round picks we went down that road many times. Hell even that second round pick i want to keep as it is essentially a late first rounder. Also we are still in rebuilding mode so trading picks and young assets makes little sense right now. Im open to trading oquinn and kanter if we get more picks though
My bad - put the picks in the wrong category. Fixed. And agree - NO trading of our draft capital.
stanleybostitch wrote:The point I'm making fish, is when in the past 40 years (the span I've been watching the Knicks) have we had more good, young assets, including future picks. I'm coming up blank. Thoughts?
This team is in the best position in nearly 20 years. Young studs and picks going forward. There’s a player development program too. Keeping young guys in the program long term will yield results.
stanleybostitch wrote:Gudris wrote:Your forgott Kuuz :)
What to do with Kuz? He's 28 (6'9", 215lbs), with this team not sure he gets burn. Is he a tradeable asset? A second-unit asset? Or a useful guy but nothing that'll make a difference in our quest for a chip or as a tradeable commodity?
I like Kuz.....I think he can contribute. I also think Hornacek is using practice to determine playing time. And if McBuckets or Lee are out playing Kuz, then he will get no burn because he's not playing PF when we have KP and other PFs on the roster. So Kuz is simply being squeezed out the rotation, since we are very deep now, especially at the forward position. Beasly also hurt Kuz playing time, along with Lance Thomas.
Dotson is an asset.....gotta love Knick fans.
stanleybostitch wrote:Have been watching the Knicks since the days of Bernard, and through the 80's, 90's, 00's, and 10's can confidently say we have not had a roster as flush with legitimate assets as we do right now. Nine player assets plus draft assets plus a solid front-office. We are rich. Who or what am I missing from the list below? Our front court
- KP (22yo, 7'3", 240lbs) Legitimate all-star approaching all-world as one of the games best. KP goes max as soon as he's eligible.
- Willy (23yo, 6'11", 240lbs) He is so smooth around the bucket, knows how to pass, just needs to become a tougher down-lo enforcer type. Spend next summer at the car wash with Oakley, that'll do the trick. And we have him on a ridiculously good contract at $1.4M/per for the next three years! Value extraordinaire for the advanced stat geek.
- Kanter (25yo, 6'11", 245lbs) Kanter is the anti-Charles Smith with his ability to grab and put back the offensive boards. Building block!
Our back court
- Frank (19yo, 6'5", 190lbs) The scary thing is Frank is still growing. Hell I grew until I was about 23. Could this kid get to, say, 6'8+, 220lb+, and become a young Giannis? Not as crazy as it sounds, give him 5yrs and we could have a top-3 PG in the whole game
- Timmay (25yo, 6'6", 205lbs) Sunday night was a revelation. Driving to the hoop, shooting from afar, player better D than our past SG/SF types (certainly not Matador-D). If he keeps it up his contract will be seen as a steal. Can he keep it up? Consistency is his challenge for this year but there is enough there to believe he can do it.
Other guys with upside
- Damyean Dotson (23yo, 6'5", 210lbs) He slots into the second unit when/if we trade CLEE. Has the size, bulk, shot, and defensive instincts to be a solid contributor with upside.
- Dougie McBuckets (25yo, 6'8", 219lbs) I like his play so far and think he has room to grow into a solid asset for us. Young, can shoot, gets a little physical, if he can become a lock-down defender then we have another core piece
Our trade assets
- KOQ (27yo, 6'10", 250lbs) He's been playing well from my eye test, and given his youth is going to have significant value to a contender come deadline time. Have to think we get a 1st and expiring for him. This is called maximizing an asset, especially given he's in a contract year and we don't want to pay him with Willy and Kanter on board.
- C Lee (32yo, 6'5", 200lbs) If he keeps producing his 3-n-D he is going to fetch a first (could be a 2019 pick, but that's fine). More ammo for the future, and we have an in-house replacement in Dotson.
Other assets
- Bulls 2nd round pick in 2018, which could be the uber-valuable first pick of that round
- All our first round picks!
- Future cap flexibility, aka we're not in cap hell, even if it's tight
- Stable and professional front office
- Great scouting staff
- Buckets of money for future needs
Guys I don't consider assets, though can be useful
- Baker
- Beasley
- Jack/Sessions
- Kornet
- Noah
- Lance
forgot to mention 8 assists for hardaway
