Knicks · If we make playoffs and our draft pick is 15+ and 30+ (page 1)

There is a few free agents I like next year--well have to see how things develop--but Im thinking two mature rookies and spend all my cash on one hardcore NBA free agent. Im really looking 4ward to watching I thomas come back--to see if hes ok. We have a big team with big players. A great clutch PG is something were going to need.

martin wrote:Fair, Knicks still need 1 more solid all star to make this a contending team though. Player who can just get his own at any time, sf/guard type.

As long as we are smart and patient, that player will want to come here as a free agent. Free agents just need an excuse to come to NY. This will always be a place players want to play.

Knixkik wrote:

martin wrote:Fair, Knicks still need 1 more solid all star to make this a contending team though. Player who can just get his own at any time, sf/guard type.

As long as we are smart and patient, that player will want to come here as a free agent. Free agents just need an excuse to come to NY. This will always be a place players want to play.

I'm down with that. Perry got work to do to manage the cap over the next 2 seasons.

At some point, it might be worth discussing trading Noah and clearing his salary from our cap and packaging both and getting cap room and maybe late 1st rounder - sort of what the Lakers did with Moz.

martin wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

martin wrote:Fair, Knicks still need 1 more solid all star to make this a contending team though. Player who can just get his own at any time, sf/guard type.

As long as we are smart and patient, that player will want to come here as a free agent. Free agents just need an excuse to come to NY. This will always be a place players want to play.

I'm down with that. Perry got work to do to manage the cap over the next 2 seasons.

Would having a non-competitive team have allowed us to showcase Noah?...If he showed he had somethingleft in the tank maybe we could have moved him at the trade deadline for picks/and expiring contract.

Doubt if Perry wants to keep Jackson's albatross.

Right now, I would think the only way to move him is to waive him and stretch out his contract.

franco12 wrote:I thought you were going to suggest packaging both to move up- which would be nice if we could get to 8-10.

At some point, it might be worth discussing trading Noah and clearing his salary from our cap and packaging both and getting cap room and maybe late 1st rounder - sort of what the Lakers did with Moz.

Knixkik wrote:

martin wrote:Fair, Knicks still need 1 more solid all star to make this a contending team though. Player who can just get his own at any time, sf/guard type.

As long as we are smart and patient, that player will want to come here as a free agent. Free agents just need an excuse to come to NY. This will always be a place players want to play.

I been trying to get guys to believe that we are on any upward rise.... I believe we will sign Someone because of KP and the team surrounding him. We are playing organized and free. Guys around the league know what's going on here. It's special. If we make the playoffs, we open the door for that to happen. The draft pick will come. Doesn't matter where we draft. Just habe too believe in the staff we have. They haven't been wrong in a while. Best is yet to come y'all

WaltLongmire wrote:

martin wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

martin wrote:Fair, Knicks still need 1 more solid all star to make this a contending team though. Player who can just get his own at any time, sf/guard type.

As long as we are smart and patient, that player will want to come here as a free agent. Free agents just need an excuse to come to NY. This will always be a place players want to play.

I'm down with that. Perry got work to do to manage the cap over the next 2 seasons.

Noah a weight on the cap.

Would having a non-competitive team have allowed us to showcase Noah?...If he showed he had somethingleft in the tank maybe we could have moved him at the trade deadline for picks/and expiring contract.

Doubt if Perry wants to keep Jackson's albatross.

Right now, I would think the only way to move him is to waive him and stretch out his contract.

I literally don't think Noah's contract decision comes into play unless there is a player targeted who commits to NY and Knicks don't yet have the cap space, no other scenario makes sense to trade/stretch Noah before then. I think this summer you can stretch Noah for an addition $7M in cap space relief, not much in the big picture.

WaltLongmire wrote:

franco12 wrote:I thought you were going to suggest packaging both to move up- which would be nice if we could get to 8-10.

At some point, it might be worth discussing trading Noah and clearing his salary from our cap and packaging both and getting cap room and maybe late 1st rounder - sort of what the Lakers did with Moz.

Would think that this would be on the table no matter where we finish...No?

Yes i would think packaging the 2 picks to move up slightly is a good move if there is a player that fits. It's an option i'm sure we will explore.

Knixkik wrote:Every year there is a Kuzma-type, we need to find him. I agree about experienced players. We can still find guys who can help now with good upside. Mikal Bridges from Villanova is a great option. Alize Johnson has that D Green type of all-around game too. There's guys out there.

For picks 15 and down -the Bridges from Mich state will be gone bt the Bridges from Villanova might be there Bonzie Colson from ND could be our dray green Jalen brunson I love have to watch Grayson allen all year--those types of players.

I want to watch I Thomas. I know he might not be some peoples "choice" but I love him hes frikin tough and good. We have a bunch of tall players and he could play with Frank etc.. Hes a star and we need another.

BRIGGS wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Every year there is a Kuzma-type, we need to find him. I agree about experienced players. We can still find guys who can help now with good upside. Mikal Bridges from Villanova is a great option. Alize Johnson has that D Green type of all-around game too. There's guys out there.

For picks 15 and down -the Bridges from Mich state will be gone bt the Bridges from Villanova might be there Bonzie Colson from ND could be our dray green Jalen brunson I love have to watch Grayson allen all year--those types of players.

I want to watch I Thomas. I know he might not be some peoples "choice" but I love him hes frikin tough and good.

Yes Colson is legit. Undersized but versatile. Grab Bridges (from Nova) in the 1st and Colson in the 2nd and i'm good.

EnySpree wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

martin wrote:Fair, Knicks still need 1 more solid all star to make this a contending team though. Player who can just get his own at any time, sf/guard type.

As long as we are smart and patient, that player will want to come here as a free agent. Free agents just need an excuse to come to NY. This will always be a place players want to play.

I been trying to get guys to believe that we are on any upward rise.... I believe we will sign Someone because of KP and the team surrounding him. We are playing organized and free. Guys around the league know what's going on here. It's special. If we make the playoffs, we open the door for that to happen. The draft pick will come. Doesn't matter where we draft. Just habe too believe in the staff we have. They haven't been wrong in a while. Best is yet to come y'all

When Melo and Phil was here, it's hard for FA's to see where they fit and if this system fits them. It's clear to everybody that the triangle reduced some of the players natural instincts, resulting into too much thinking. Now that Iso Melo is gone and the triangle system is gone (so they think), we are now an attractive destination for FA's. And Perry is the right guy to have, when all of a sudden, everybody wants to play in NY. Perry doesn't seem like a guy that jumps to the first thing he sees. So we are in good hands. The future is bright again. Sit back and enjoy the ride.

franco12 wrote:I thought you were going to suggest packaging both to move up- which would be nice if we could get to 8-10.

At some point, it might be worth discussing trading Noah and clearing his salary from our cap and packaging both and getting cap room and maybe late 1st rounder - sort of what the Lakers did with Moz.

This is not the NFL.

How often does a team in the 8-10 pick range move a trade for, as the original post projects, a 15+ plus pick plus a high 2nd round pick (even if it's the first pick in the 2nd round)

The 8-10 pick range is likely a Tier 3 or Tier 4 first round pick. A 15 plus pick is in the "cloud" i.e the range of guys where it's all a crapshoot based on need and potential.

If a team moves back or up, they are moving, at most, a few slots. This is actually established in NBA draft history. What you are suggesting is what would amount to an anomaly in the marketplace and it's history.

IF the Knicks had 8-10 in a pick, would you want them to move it for 15+ and a high 2nd? Then why should the other team?

What the Lakers are doing has no shape or form in any similarity to the Knicks. The Lakers, and well as the rest of the league, KNOW that LBJ and PG13 are going there as free agents, barring catastrophic injury. When they clear space, they KNOW what they are clearing it for and why.

The EASIEST trade right now is moving Noah for Luol Deng. Money is about the same, contract is about the same. Both ugly. Maybe the Lakers could use a center rather than a wing. (Wings are more valuable) It's a 'challenge trade', my bloated ugly overpaid problem for your bloated ugly overpaid problem.

Noah has no trade value. Given many teams are in the tax zone and the league in general will be cap locked for the next few offseasons, the value of cap space has spiked again. Meaning to move Noah, the price has gone up.

While it sucks, it might just be easier for the team to organically let Noah expire. Even a last year stretch is a three year hit. A buyout only makes sense if the Knicks can recoup a good chunk of cash, and since no team really wants Noah other than the vets minimum at this point, that's probably not going to happen.

No one wants Noah. I'd argue no one wanted him when the Knicks signed him, not to a four year deal. They basically bid against themselves. They "A-Rod-ed" themselves. Idiots.

As much as I'd want them to, the Knicks are not making the playoffs. They are no where near contention level. They are not one player away from contention level. The teams who are in strong positions now, that took time, a lot of time. In the NBA, the builds are just slow, it's the nature of the limited talent pool and the way the cap and contracts work.

Knixkik wrote:

martin wrote:Fair, Knicks still need 1 more solid all star to make this a contending team though. Player who can just get his own at any time, sf/guard type.

As long as we are smart and patient, that player will want to come here as a free agent. Free agents just need an excuse to come to NY. This will always be a place players want to play.

How are we going to sign them? If we're keeping this basic team together we're not going to have much, if any, cap space. And KP only has one more year after this one under his rookie deal so we're going to need to extend him.

dacash wrote:would you guys do the 15th pick to the bucks for Middleton?

Easily. Bucks would never do it though and could command multiple first. We would have to eat Henson and or Deladova's deals. They only move Middleton to maybe clean up their cap situation and add a pick.