Knicks · This losing streak is a blessing in disguise (page 1)
KP Kanter and THJR have all played at a fairly high level and while Frank has been inconsistent he has shown enough flashes at least to me that he can also be part of the core. What the Knicks lack is a wing player specifically a SF that can move the needle. In a different thread I proposed Paul George. Many quite accurately pointed out that this is not particularly realistic (though I still think its possible).
Which brings me to the point of the thread. I happened to look at the lottery standings and noticed that lo and behold after this three game losing streak the Knicks are currently in the lottery. With their inability to win on the road, Kanter's injury and the brutal road stretch coming up it is conceivable the Knicks could find themselves at the top half of the lottery soon.
This is the best of both worlds for the Knicks - losing a lot of games enough so that they have access to the best players in the draft while simultaneously developing star players that can form the cornerstone of a winning contending franchise
So rather than bemoan the fact that this is "the same old Knicks" rejoice in the fact that the Knicks could add another young lottery talent to their existing core.
Everybody knew this.
But shhhh... don't make people upset.
awe1028 wrote:I am not sure about all of you but I have seen all I need to know that this season no matter how it ends up is already a success. The Knicks are rebuilding and as such this season is mainly one of evaluation - to determine if there are players who can form the nucleus of a perennial playoff team. It's been only 20 games but so far I think this question has been answered in the affirmative.KP Kanter and THJR have all played at a fairly high level and while Frank has been inconsistent he has shown enough flashes at least to me that he can also be part of the core. What the Knicks lack is a wing player specifically a SF that can move the needle. In a different thread I proposed Paul George. Many quite accurately pointed out that this is not particularly realistic (though I still think its possible).
Which brings me to the point of the thread. I happened to look at the lottery standings and noticed that lo and behold after this three game losing streak the Knicks are currently in the lottery. With their inability to win on the road, Kanter's injury and the brutal road stretch coming up it is conceivable the Knicks could find themselves at the top half of the lottery soon.
This is the best of both worlds for the Knicks - losing a lot of games enough so that they have access to the best players in the draft while simultaneously developing star players that can form the cornerstone of a winning contending franchise
So rather than bemoan the fact that this is "the same old Knicks" rejoice in the fact that the Knicks could add another young lottery talent to their existing core.
its what has to be done, the problem is we won't be high enough to get the franchise changer we need
arkrud wrote:This is simple boring truth.
Everybody knew this.
But shhhh... don't make people upset.
Word lol. Season is so much fun as it is. Win or lose we we win this year.
awe1028 wrote:I am not sure about all of you but I have seen all I need to know that this season no matter how it ends up is already a success. The Knicks are rebuilding and as such this season is mainly one of evaluation - to determine if there are players who can form the nucleus of a perennial playoff team. It's been only 20 games but so far I think this question has been answered in the affirmative.KP Kanter and THJR have all played at a fairly high level and while Frank has been inconsistent he has shown enough flashes at least to me that he can also be part of the core. What the Knicks lack is a wing player specifically a SF that can move the needle. In a different thread I proposed Paul George. Many quite accurately pointed out that this is not particularly realistic (though I still think its possible).
Which brings me to the point of the thread. I happened to look at the lottery standings and noticed that lo and behold after this three game losing streak the Knicks are currently in the lottery. With their inability to win on the road, Kanter's injury and the brutal road stretch coming up it is conceivable the Knicks could find themselves at the top half of the lottery soon.
This is the best of both worlds for the Knicks - losing a lot of games enough so that they have access to the best players in the draft while simultaneously developing star players that can form the cornerstone of a winning contending franchise
So rather than bemoan the fact that this is "the same old Knicks" rejoice in the fact that the Knicks could add another young lottery talent to their existing core.
well if were losing that means, Kanter is back to playing zero defense, KP looks suspect on most nights, frank is a project, thj is back to being super inconsistent, KOQ is on his lazy shit, Lance is Mr "Once in a while" and the coaching staff is also back to being suspect.
Then you go into next yr, start all over again with the evaluating process, a 20% chance of landing a star or another project. The funny thing is, you draft a player like KP, and your ok with potentially losing him because the growth is nowhere to be found out of yet, another 30 win season.
It makes much more sense for the team to finish somewhere around .500 and a possible p/o berth, then we would be witnessing the opposite, and that's growth.
The knicks have got to trade one of those bigs before the deadline
awe1028 wrote:I am not sure about all of you but I have seen all I need to know that this season no matter how it ends up is already a success. The Knicks are rebuilding and as such this season is mainly one of evaluation - to determine if there are players who can form the nucleus of a perennial playoff team. It's been only 20 games but so far I think this question has been answered in the affirmative.KP Kanter and THJR have all played at a fairly high level and while Frank has been inconsistent he has shown enough flashes at least to me that he can also be part of the core. What the Knicks lack is a wing player specifically a SF that can move the needle. In a different thread I proposed Paul George. Many quite accurately pointed out that this is not particularly realistic (though I still think its possible).
Which brings me to the point of the thread. I happened to look at the lottery standings and noticed that lo and behold after this three game losing streak the Knicks are currently in the lottery. With their inability to win on the road, Kanter's injury and the brutal road stretch coming up it is conceivable the Knicks could find themselves at the top half of the lottery soon.
This is the best of both worlds for the Knicks - losing a lot of games enough so that they have access to the best players in the draft while simultaneously developing star players that can form the cornerstone of a winning contending franchise
So rather than bemoan the fact that this is "the same old Knicks" rejoice in the fact that the Knicks could add another young lottery talent to their existing core.
We need to add talent in the draft. But this team isn't that bad to be in the top half of the lottery. We will have winning streaks and losing streaks. There's no point in overthinking either side of things. We are a 35-40 win team most likely that will need to find talent at the end of the lottery.
Will be interesting to see which players Gaines finds, recommends. Curious to see how Gaines tailors his search (if at all) to Hornacek's wide open system.
Its time to rebuild this.
Lose no win later.
we win, we win.
we lose, we win.
injuries with long term impact or horrible trades would be the only negative.
Its not hard to see what needs Perry has to address in the offseason (if not sooner) Has time to come up with a plan. As long as it isnt a panic move (Doesn't sound like Perry's MO) the Knicks should take a big step forward next season. Barring injuries.
Knixkik wrote:awe1028 wrote:I am not sure about all of you but I have seen all I need to know that this season no matter how it ends up is already a success. The Knicks are rebuilding and as such this season is mainly one of evaluation - to determine if there are players who can form the nucleus of a perennial playoff team. It's been only 20 games but so far I think this question has been answered in the affirmative.KP Kanter and THJR have all played at a fairly high level and while Frank has been inconsistent he has shown enough flashes at least to me that he can also be part of the core. What the Knicks lack is a wing player specifically a SF that can move the needle. In a different thread I proposed Paul George. Many quite accurately pointed out that this is not particularly realistic (though I still think its possible).
Which brings me to the point of the thread. I happened to look at the lottery standings and noticed that lo and behold after this three game losing streak the Knicks are currently in the lottery. With their inability to win on the road, Kanter's injury and the brutal road stretch coming up it is conceivable the Knicks could find themselves at the top half of the lottery soon.
This is the best of both worlds for the Knicks - losing a lot of games enough so that they have access to the best players in the draft while simultaneously developing star players that can form the cornerstone of a winning contending franchise
So rather than bemoan the fact that this is "the same old Knicks" rejoice in the fact that the Knicks could add another young lottery talent to their existing core.
We need to add talent in the draft. But this team isn't that bad to be in the top half of the lottery. We will have winning streaks and losing streaks. There's no point in overthinking either side of things. We are a 35-40 win team most likely that will need to find talent at the end of the lottery.
Jmpasq wrote:
its what has to be done, the problem is we won't be high enough to get the franchise changer we need
Before this losing streak I would have agreed with both of you. Which is as I mentioned in the OP I had started a previous thread proposing Paul George as the answer. However after having the most favorable home schedule the Knicks are just 10 - 10 and are staring down 9 miles of bad road pun intended. Unless they rapidly change their play on the road things could get real ugly real fast.
But that's okay because it means a stud lottery talent awaits. There is a fun future awaiting this franchise if things continue to break right.
Jmpasq wrote:awe1028 wrote:I am not sure about all of you but I have seen all I need to know that this season no matter how it ends up is already a success. The Knicks are rebuilding and as such this season is mainly one of evaluation - to determine if there are players who can form the nucleus of a perennial playoff team. It's been only 20 games but so far I think this question has been answered in the affirmative.KP Kanter and THJR have all played at a fairly high level and while Frank has been inconsistent he has shown enough flashes at least to me that he can also be part of the core. What the Knicks lack is a wing player specifically a SF that can move the needle. In a different thread I proposed Paul George. Many quite accurately pointed out that this is not particularly realistic (though I still think its possible).
Which brings me to the point of the thread. I happened to look at the lottery standings and noticed that lo and behold after this three game losing streak the Knicks are currently in the lottery. With their inability to win on the road, Kanter's injury and the brutal road stretch coming up it is conceivable the Knicks could find themselves at the top half of the lottery soon.
This is the best of both worlds for the Knicks - losing a lot of games enough so that they have access to the best players in the draft while simultaneously developing star players that can form the cornerstone of a winning contending franchise
So rather than bemoan the fact that this is "the same old Knicks" rejoice in the fact that the Knicks could add another young lottery talent to their existing core.
its what has to be done, the problem is we won't be high enough to get the franchise changer we need
Knixkik wrote:
We need to add talent in the draft. But this team isn't that bad to be in the top half of the lottery. We will have winning streaks and losing streaks. There's no point in overthinking either side of things. We are a 35-40 win team most likely that will need to find talent at the end of the lottery.
Before this losing streak I would have agreed with both of you. Which is as I mentioned in the OP I had started a previous thread proposing Paul George as the answer. However after having the most favorable home schedule the Knicks are just 10 - 10 and are staring down 9 miles of bad road pun intended. Unless they rapidly change their play on the road things could get real ugly real fast.
But that's okay because it means a stud lottery talent awaits. There is a fun future awaiting this franchise if things continue to break right.
awe1028 wrote:Oops sorry for the double post tried to get rid of the second one if mods can delete.....
you can do it yourself in the edit function..
Press the x next to edit.
GustavBahler wrote:awe1028 wrote:Oops sorry for the double post tried to get rid of the second one if mods can delete.....you can do it yourself in the edit function..
Press the x next to edit.
could never understand why users never understood they could delete their own, thanks
Jmpasq wrote:awe1028 wrote:I am not sure about all of you but I have seen all I need to know that this season no matter how it ends up is already a success. The Knicks are rebuilding and as such this season is mainly one of evaluation - to determine if there are players who can form the nucleus of a perennial playoff team. It's been only 20 games but so far I think this question has been answered in the affirmative.KP Kanter and THJR have all played at a fairly high level and while Frank has been inconsistent he has shown enough flashes at least to me that he can also be part of the core. What the Knicks lack is a wing player specifically a SF that can move the needle. In a different thread I proposed Paul George. Many quite accurately pointed out that this is not particularly realistic (though I still think its possible).
Which brings me to the point of the thread. I happened to look at the lottery standings and noticed that lo and behold after this three game losing streak the Knicks are currently in the lottery. With their inability to win on the road, Kanter's injury and the brutal road stretch coming up it is conceivable the Knicks could find themselves at the top half of the lottery soon.
This is the best of both worlds for the Knicks - losing a lot of games enough so that they have access to the best players in the draft while simultaneously developing star players that can form the cornerstone of a winning contending franchise
So rather than bemoan the fact that this is "the same old Knicks" rejoice in the fact that the Knicks could add another young lottery talent to their existing core.
its what has to be done, the problem is we won't be high enough to get the franchise changer we need
We won't be in the top 5 to get a Doncic or M.Bagley or M.Porter but if we could get into the top 8 and come away with either M.Bridges or my favorite K.Knox who both have a chance of being really good players at the SF position then i would be happy with that.
newyorker4ever wrote:Jmpasq wrote:awe1028 wrote:I am not sure about all of you but I have seen all I need to know that this season no matter how it ends up is already a success. The Knicks are rebuilding and as such this season is mainly one of evaluation - to determine if there are players who can form the nucleus of a perennial playoff team. It's been only 20 games but so far I think this question has been answered in the affirmative.KP Kanter and THJR have all played at a fairly high level and while Frank has been inconsistent he has shown enough flashes at least to me that he can also be part of the core. What the Knicks lack is a wing player specifically a SF that can move the needle. In a different thread I proposed Paul George. Many quite accurately pointed out that this is not particularly realistic (though I still think its possible).
Which brings me to the point of the thread. I happened to look at the lottery standings and noticed that lo and behold after this three game losing streak the Knicks are currently in the lottery. With their inability to win on the road, Kanter's injury and the brutal road stretch coming up it is conceivable the Knicks could find themselves at the top half of the lottery soon.
This is the best of both worlds for the Knicks - losing a lot of games enough so that they have access to the best players in the draft while simultaneously developing star players that can form the cornerstone of a winning contending franchise
So rather than bemoan the fact that this is "the same old Knicks" rejoice in the fact that the Knicks could add another young lottery talent to their existing core.
its what has to be done, the problem is we won't be high enough to get the franchise changer we need
We won't be in the top 5 to get a Doncic or M.Bagley or M.Porter but if we could get into the top 8 and come away with either M.Bridges or my favorite K.Knox who both have a chance of being really good players at the SF position then i would be happy with that.
It's too much of a good story IF Knicks make it to lottery that they won't end up with Doncic.
Kanter, KP, Doncic, THJr, Frank.
International lineup!
As a matter of fact, consider becoming a Philly fan. They love losing. They embrace it. It's a way of life, that process.
And now just 5 or 6 years later, they get to enjoy being... mediocre. Before one or their fragile new cogs breaks again. Or they trade away some guy who was the last first round pick for some future first round picks.
But then they can start the tanking all over again. So much fun. There's always something new and shiny just waiting in the next draft.
Meanwhile, the league goes merrily on for another decade with three or four teams at the top, and a mangled bunch of franchises pining for that once in a lifetime lottery ticket...
Lather, rinse, repeat.
Losers sort of... like... losing. Don't they?