C Kanter resigned 5 years 72mm(drops about 5 mm off our cap)
F KP
F Timmy Hardaway
G Frank Nitlkina
G Isiah Thomas 4 years 100mm)
C Kyle Oquinn (3 years 20mm)
F Beasley (2 years 10mm)
F Will Barton Full MLE
CG Spencer Dinwiddie
PG Jalen Brunson pick 20-22 acquired from Bucks
F Javell Mcgee vet minimum
F Bonzie Colson pick 42
G Ron Baker
G Daymean Dotson
G Aaron Holiday pick 34
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F Keita Bates-Diop undrafted
G Chandler Hutchison undrafted
Willy H traded to Milwaukee for 2018 1st rd pick
Courtney Lee Lance Thomas and pick 13 traded to Brooklyn for Spencer Dinwiddie
Waive and Stretch Noah
BRIGGS wrote:C Kanter resigned 5 years 72mm(drops about 5 mm off our cap)
F KP
F Timmy Hardaway
G Frank Nitlkina
G Isiah Thomas 4 years 100mm)C Kyle Oquinn (3 years 20mm)
F Beasley (2 years 10mm)
F Will Barton Full MLE
CG Spencer Dinwiddie
PG Jalen Brunson pick 20-22 acquired from Bucks
F Javell Mcgee vet minimum
F Bonzie Colson pick 42
G Ron Baker
G Daymean Dotson
G Aaron Holiday pick 34
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F Keita Bates-Diop undrafted
G Chandler Hutchison undrafted
Willy H traded to Milwaukee for 2018 1st rd pick
Courtney Lee Lance Thomas and pick 13 traded to Brooklyn for Spencer Dinwiddie
Waive and Stretch Noah
Trading Courtney Lee, lance AND the 13th pick for Spencer Diwiddie is one of the daftest trades I've ever seen on these boards. What is your logic behind that one? It doesn't even work out salary wise (we'd be sending out over $18mil for a player making $1.5mil)
I think IT, Kanter, and KOQ will all cost much more than that. KOQ for less than the MLE?!
How about you wait for another 3-4 months for topics like this? At this point, we can only guess do we go to playoffs or nr1 draft pick :D
I would offer Kanter 4 yrs 16 mil per.
Will Barton can command Hardaway Jr money. No way he only gets the MLE.
Bucks traded their draft pick for Bledsoe if in the 11-16 range or 2019 if in the 4-16 range or in 2020 if in the 8-30 range. Doubt they are willing to give up another draft pick at this moment for Willy
I am guessing packaging the #13 is a salary dump from Lee & Lance to clear space for IT while getting back Dwindle.
I don't get the Kanter love
We have OQuinn. Noah. Willy. KP may be our best 5 once it gets into playoff basketball closing games matching up with teams in the clutch.
Our PG is Jack.
Our starting SF is Lance Thomas. Or an undersized CLee.
We need to spend the 16$M on a guard and wing.
I like Kanter but his game is not impacting our wins the way his individual numbers look. He's your classic old school big who no longer fits as a starter on a contender or good playoff team. Think about how OKC used him off the bench, that's his role in today's league on a good team IMO.
We have to think about getting the team in 1-2 years good enough to match up with Boston and even compete with Golden State. I don't think Kanter is that starting 5 in the playoffs on a contender.
I'd spend the money on a wing and look for a PG upgrade for Jack.
Kanter is a luxury that you add once you have a core in place. We still need core players.
BRIGGS wrote:C Kanter resigned 5 years 72mm(drops about 5 mm off our cap)
F KP
F Timmy Hardaway
G Frank Nitlkina
G Isiah Thomas 4 years 100mm)C Kyle Oquinn (3 years 20mm)
F Beasley (2 years 10mm)
F Will Barton Full MLE
CG Spencer Dinwiddie
PG Jalen Brunson pick 20-22 acquired from Bucks
F Javell Mcgee vet minimum
F Bonzie Colson pick 42
G Ron Baker
G Daymean Dotson
G Aaron Holiday pick 34
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F Keita Bates-Diop undrafted
G Chandler Hutchison undrafted
Willy H traded to Milwaukee for 2018 1st rd pick
Courtney Lee Lance Thomas and pick 13 traded to Brooklyn for Spencer Dinwiddie
Waive and Stretch Noah
I see what you're doing here and i like some of it. One thing i love is the idea of Will Barton for the mid level. He's a playmaking wing who can come off the bench and get it done. He's probably a better value than resigning McDermott. He and Beasley off the bench should eliminate most scoring lapses.
smackeddog wrote:BRIGGS wrote:C Kanter resigned 5 years 72mm(drops about 5 mm off our cap)
F KP
F Timmy Hardaway
G Frank Nitlkina
G Isiah Thomas 4 years 100mm)C Kyle Oquinn (3 years 20mm)
F Beasley (2 years 10mm)
F Will Barton Full MLE
CG Spencer Dinwiddie
PG Jalen Brunson pick 20-22 acquired from Bucks
F Javell Mcgee vet minimum
F Bonzie Colson pick 42
G Ron Baker
G Daymean Dotson
G Aaron Holiday pick 34
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F Keita Bates-Diop undrafted
G Chandler Hutchison undrafted
Willy H traded to Milwaukee for 2018 1st rd pick
Courtney Lee Lance Thomas and pick 13 traded to Brooklyn for Spencer Dinwiddie
Waive and Stretch Noah
Trading Courtney Lee, lance AND the 13th pick for Spencer Diwiddie is one of the daftest trades I've ever seen on these boards. What is your logic behind that one? It doesn't even work out salary wise (we'd be sending out over $18mil for a player making $1.5mil)
It's for cap space but I still want that player. Also not married to Kanter-- that's one I'd have to think about. But thomas Barton and resigning oquinn is tge main goal
From the draft emphasize the pg position heavily with guys who can step in and play now. We turn weakness to strength
Also tried to emphasize strong depth so that thomas and kp can be kept fresh. Plenty of nix and match( injury depth) don't want to spend any money on the last 7 guys
Want to keep oquinn especially for the D-- I'm not married to Kanter-- that was one decision I wavered with -- I mean he's opt out I would not resign him unless it was a discount. With thomas kp and hard away we don't really need much more than kanter however-- so if it worked out well -- perhaps keep him
Bad hips can be chronic. I'd stay away from IT.
reub wrote:Bad hips can be chronic. I'd stay away from IT.
When youre 29? Everything Ive read about the potential negative downside was that if he was having trouble coming back--he wouldve missed the entire year--that was youre biggest red flag. The great thing is we get to watch him play 50-60 games at a very high level. If youre good to go--I mean what else is there--another look by our mds--some people simply heal.
I am still thinking about this year. A playoff birth is vital for the team's growth. Players like KP, Frank and Hardaway need it.
I am hopeful that NY can bring back,
Kanter and KOQ. They are both vital to the team's wins.
When they play well the team usually wins.
Draft will be very important especially if they miss the playoffs but playoffs are the goal!
I don’t think that even works financially. Would love to get Isaiah. No to Kanter, Mcgee, and Dinwiddie
I like it. I like all the players you're looking to bring back/bring in. I'm a little leery about IT for so much money but like you said, at 29 (not like he's already into his 30s like a Chris Paul or something) + the heart, grit, talent and he'd be a very good engine, which we're lacking and desperately need -- for 4 years, why not? I'm a big Dinwiddie guy too -- real good all-purpose guard with size that would add a ton imo. Another guy I like a lot is Brunson. Kinda reminds me of IT a little--a bigger version. Brunson makes you believe that we will get some kind of of PG upgrade come next year (Aaron holiday too, although he concerns me a little more than Brunson -- great shooter but is he a real floor general? Lacks real explosion too -- but a nice player, kinda like Patty Mills??). Brunson has a lot of the same qualities as IT -- he can shoot, pass, tough. Having a gret year for Nova.. Nbadraft.net has this dude going in the mid 40s -- that's crazy, he looks like a surefire 1st rounder to me, esp. when you consider there doesn't look to be that many standout PGs projected to go in this next draft. Really like Brunson..
I thought O'Quinn looked very good last night btw. Makes me think twice about letting him go. Would love to see him bring that type of game every night.
nyknickzingis wrote:I don't get the Kanter love
We have OQuinn. Noah. Willy. KP may be our best 5 once it gets into playoff basketball closing games matching up with teams in the clutch. Our PG is Jack.
Our starting SF is Lance Thomas. Or an undersized CLee.
We need to spend the 16$M on a guard and wing.
I like Kanter but his game is not impacting our wins the way his individual numbers look. He's your classic old school big who no longer fits as a starter on a contender or good playoff team. Think about how OKC used him off the bench, that's his role in today's league on a good team IMO.
We have to think about getting the team in 1-2 years good enough to match up with Boston and even compete with Golden State. I don't think Kanter is that starting 5 in the playoffs on a contender.
I'd spend the money on a wing and look for a PG upgrade for Jack.
Kanter is a luxury that you add once you have a core in place. We still need core players.
I don't get the Kanter hate. The recent game against Philadelphia Kanter actually outplayed Joel Embid. Can you imagine the Knicks going up against teams who have great big men like Embid without Kanter it would be a beatdown every time. Kanter gives the Knicks backbone, toughness.
I have been saying all along that one of the problems with Hornacek is that he continues to adjust to teams as opposed to forcing teams to adjust to the Knicks. This is silly. The Knicks have more than enough talent that they don't have to do this. For example when teams go small he panics and removes Kanter from the game. When teams go small this is precisely the time to have Kanter in the game and play bully ball.
In the post game press conference after the Dallas game, I was gratified to hear Hornacek finally admit that he would have to consider bullying teams when they go small. If he does go the bully ball route it would be long overdue.
My focus is beefing up the backcourt. While IT would definitely do that, i see him as too big of a risk. I would be content drafting Trevon Duval and signing Will Barton to the mid level. Duval can't shoot at all, but will push the pace and make plays. He also defends at a high level. Barton gives a huge offensive boost. A second unit of Barton, Duval, Beasley, and Thomas gives us a huge offensive punch and will improve athleticism and fask break opportunities. I want to stay with Kanter, Porzingis, Lee, Hardaway, and Ntilikina as a starting 5. Lee will eventually be replaced, but not until we identify who that ideal SF is. Until then it's not worth blowing it up. Need to keep building from within and building chemistry. Adding a couple of playmakers turns this into a good playoff team, then we can see where to go from there.
First you have to see if LeBron can win a championship with IT. If they can’t do it then no point adding IT to the Knicks.
BRIGGS wrote:C Kanter resigned 5 years 72mm(drops about 5 mm off our cap)
F KP
F Timmy Hardaway
G Frank Nitlkina
G Isiah Thomas 4 years 100mm)C Kyle Oquinn (3 years 20mm)
F Beasley (2 years 10mm)
F Will Barton Full MLE
CG Spencer Dinwiddie
PG Jalen Brunson pick 20-22 acquired from Bucks
F Javell Mcgee vet minimum
F Bonzie Colson pick 42
G Ron Baker
G Daymean Dotson
G Aaron Holiday pick 34
---------------------------
F Keita Bates-Diop undrafted
G Chandler Hutchison undrafted
Willy H traded to Milwaukee for 2018 1st rd pick
Courtney Lee Lance Thomas and pick 13 traded to Brooklyn for Spencer Dinwiddie
Waive and Stretch Noah
Oh Man that trade -- for S-Dinwiddie 
LivingLegend wrote:BRIGGS wrote:C Kanter resigned 5 years 72mm(drops about 5 mm off our cap)
F KP
F Timmy Hardaway
G Frank Nitlkina
G Isiah Thomas 4 years 100mm)C Kyle Oquinn (3 years 20mm)
F Beasley (2 years 10mm)
F Will Barton Full MLE
CG Spencer Dinwiddie
PG Jalen Brunson pick 20-22 acquired from Bucks
F Javell Mcgee vet minimum
F Bonzie Colson pick 42
G Ron Baker
G Daymean Dotson
G Aaron Holiday pick 34
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F Keita Bates-Diop undrafted
G Chandler Hutchison undrafted
Willy H traded to Milwaukee for 2018 1st rd pick
Courtney Lee Lance Thomas and pick 13 traded to Brooklyn for Spencer Dinwiddie
Waive and Stretch Noah
Oh Man that trade -- for S-Dinwiddie
Would I trade the 13th pick in the draft for Will Barton Isiah Thomas and Spencer Dinwiddie? Yes Id do that TYPE of trade if I get a yes from IT reps and his health is checked out ok. A draft pick is used to improve the team. Not sure the Nets would take on the cap--but they have and they yield no pick. The likelihood of Dinwiddie being better than pick 13 i high within itself. That would give us 4 wing players 6-5 or taller. I think the D with IT is a very over rated negative but having big combo guards with him is good balance anyway.
"Troy Aikman" approved!!!
There is a mistaken assumption that KP And Kanter compliment one another. The stats say otherwise and dramatically so. I like Kanter as a 20+ Min per nite backup. He can get you into the playoffs but he can not contain most 5s and simply doesn’t have the quickness and lateral athleticism to take us further. He’s a luxury as a backup. I think we pick #10 and there will talent there. Since there are 4 bigs projected in the top 5/6, and as Young will be gone, it should leave some 3s or 2s available
Paris907 wrote:There is a mistaken assumption that KP And Kanter compliment one another. The stats say otherwise and dramatically so. I like Kanter as a 20+ Min per nite backup. He can get you into the playoffs but he can not contain most 5s and simply doesn’t have the quickness and lateral athleticism to take us further. He’s a luxury as a backup. I think we pick #10 and there will talent there. Since there are 4 bigs projected in the top 5/6, and as Young will be gone, it should leave some 3s or 2s available
KP shoots, misses and then Kanter rebounds and puts it in. That's real synergy.
