Knicks · Re-build, sell the vets or go for the playoffs and now? (page 2)

We won't know how good we really are until we get a better coach. I think Horny should be fired.

Sell off O'Quinn, Lee, and Beasley to the highest bidder. Kanter too if anyone wants him. Play Frank as the primary backup at both guard spots. Pray that we can get a top 6 pick in this year's draft.

SELL!

wargames wrote:SELL!

VCoug wrote:

Sell off O'Quinn, Lee, and Beasley to the highest bidder. Kanter too if anyone wants him. Play Frank as the primary backup at both guard spots. Pray that we can get a top 6 pick in this year's draft.

I think if Frank backs up Tim and Jack and gets 30+ minutes no worries about a top 6 pick. Especially if Lee, O'Quinn, and Kanter are traded.

The Knicks have made it clear what direction they want. Perry tried the same stuff with the Kings before he left too.

The Knicks have made it clear what direction they want. Perry tried the same stuff with the Kings before he left too.

One of my all time favorite movies!

I think you look to sell prudently.

Courtney Lee yes. Jack - maybe not - doubt we can get that much, and we need someone to play PG.

I'd like to keep KOQ long term. He's a home time, blue collar guy & I want to keep him.

At the start of the season, I thought trade Kanter. His play and leadership were eye opening.

So I am 50/50 on trading him, and if I can get some nice legit assets for him, I do it.

VCoug wrote:

Sell off O'Quinn, Lee, and Beasley to the highest bidder. Kanter too if anyone wants him. Play Frank as the primary backup at both guard spots. Pray that we can get a top 6 pick in this year's draft.

agree 100%

Some of you get far too enthusiastic for losing. Doesn't take much for you to go there. Not even the All-Star break. Burke hasnt played, trade deadlines havent passed. Like hitting the reset button on your XBox.

GustavBahler wrote:Some of you get far too enthusiastic for losing. Doesn't take much for you to go there. Not even the All-Star break. Burke hasnt played, trade deadlines havent passed. Like hitting the reset button on your XBox.

i doubt anybody is happy to lose. It was always a longshot to go to the playoffs this year. I think the knicks are headed in the right direction but we still probably are a year and a few pieces away. If we did get another top pick it would Definetly help in the long run. Now im not saying we should tank at all but our success is probably more in the future than right now.

GustavBahler wrote:Some of you get far too enthusiastic for losing. Doesn't take much for you to go there. Not even the All-Star break. Burke hasnt played, trade deadlines havent passed. Like hitting the reset button on your XBox.

The chances that Burke makes a significant difference to this team are somewhere between slim and none and we don't have the assets to make a trade if someone significant becomes available. I'm happy to lost short term if it means a better chance of winning long term. Depending on who you talk to, this year's draft has somewhere between 3 (Doncic, Ayton, Bagley) and 6 (Young, Porter, Bamba) potential franchise players. If losing a few more games this season means we draft a franchise player then, yes, we should be rooting for losses just like the years we wanted to draft Westbrook and then Curry and just missed out on them.

VCoug wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Some of you get far too enthusiastic for losing. Doesn't take much for you to go there. Not even the All-Star break. Burke hasnt played, trade deadlines havent passed. Like hitting the reset button on your XBox.

The chances that Burke makes a significant difference to this team are somewhere between slim and none and we don't have the assets to make a trade if someone significant becomes available. I'm happy to lost short term if it means a better chance of winning long term. Depending on who you talk to, this year's draft has somewhere between 3 (Doncic, Ayton, Bagley) and 6 (Young, Porter, Bamba) potential franchise players. If losing a few more games this season means we draft a franchise player then, yes, we should be rooting for losses just like the years we wanted to draft Westbrook and then Curry and just missed out on them.

My point is that some have become so jaded, that they cant wait to see how it plays out. Perry made a very good deal for Melo considering the severe limits that were placed on his ability to make the best deal for the team. Not waiting to see how he responds, ready to flush the season already. Too soon.

At some point it may be more advantageous to look ahead to the lottery, but this early in the season feels cynical. There isnt the drama from last season, the team gets along, the coach hasnt lost the team as of now. Lets see if they can turn things around. That is something a young team can build on.

I've been saying tank all year! Here are my views on the matter:

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topi...

GustavBahler wrote:

VCoug wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Some of you get far too enthusiastic for losing. Doesn't take much for you to go there. Not even the All-Star break. Burke hasnt played, trade deadlines havent passed. Like hitting the reset button on your XBox.

The chances that Burke makes a significant difference to this team are somewhere between slim and none and we don't have the assets to make a trade if someone significant becomes available. I'm happy to lost short term if it means a better chance of winning long term. Depending on who you talk to, this year's draft has somewhere between 3 (Doncic, Ayton, Bagley) and 6 (Young, Porter, Bamba) potential franchise players. If losing a few more games this season means we draft a franchise player then, yes, we should be rooting for losses just like the years we wanted to draft Westbrook and then Curry and just missed out on them.

My point is that some have become so jaded, that they cant wait to see how it plays out. Perry made a very good deal for Melo considering the severe limits that were placed on his ability to make the best deal for the team. Not waiting to see how he responds, ready to flush the season already. Too soon.

At some point it may be more advantageous to look ahead to the lottery, but this early in the season feels cynical. There isnt the drama from last season, the team gets along, the coach hasnt lost the team as of now. Lets see if they can turn things around. That is something a young team can build on.

Yes, he made a very good deal in that he didn't take back any disastrous contracts like Ryan Anderson but we didn't get back any real assets. Kanter is a nice, overpaid player who's adding a couple of wins but doesn't make any major difference; McDermott is whatever; and we got a 2nd round pick. Like I said above, we have no assets to add a significant, win-now piece; there's nothing for Perry to respond with.

We're not that young of a team (we're tied for 12th oldest with Washington); we're not really winning with our youth except for KP and a little bit of Ntilikina; of our top 10 players in MPG only KP, THJr, Ntilikina, CLee, and Lance Thomas have contracts past next season; even if we turn it around we were only a .500ish team before this swoon; and even if we wanted to build on this we'd have no real way to add anyone because we'd be capped out.

smackeddog wrote:I've been saying tank all year! Here are my views on the matter:

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topi...

I've been saying tank for what feels like my entire adult life and I'm 35 years old!

VCoug wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

VCoug wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Some of you get far too enthusiastic for losing. Doesn't take much for you to go there. Not even the All-Star break. Burke hasnt played, trade deadlines havent passed. Like hitting the reset button on your XBox.

The chances that Burke makes a significant difference to this team are somewhere between slim and none and we don't have the assets to make a trade if someone significant becomes available. I'm happy to lost short term if it means a better chance of winning long term. Depending on who you talk to, this year's draft has somewhere between 3 (Doncic, Ayton, Bagley) and 6 (Young, Porter, Bamba) potential franchise players. If losing a few more games this season means we draft a franchise player then, yes, we should be rooting for losses just like the years we wanted to draft Westbrook and then Curry and just missed out on them.

My point is that some have become so jaded, that they cant wait to see how it plays out. Perry made a very good deal for Melo considering the severe limits that were placed on his ability to make the best deal for the team. Not waiting to see how he responds, ready to flush the season already. Too soon.

At some point it may be more advantageous to look ahead to the lottery, but this early in the season feels cynical. There isnt the drama from last season, the team gets along, the coach hasnt lost the team as of now. Lets see if they can turn things around. That is something a young team can build on.

Yes, he made a very good deal in that he didn't take back any disastrous contracts like Ryan Anderson but we didn't get back any real assets. Kanter is a nice, overpaid player who's adding a couple of wins but doesn't make any major difference; McDermott is whatever; and we got a 2nd round pick. Like I said above, we have no assets to add a significant, win-now piece; there's nothing for Perry to respond with.

We're not that young of a team (we're tied for 12th oldest with Washington); we're not really winning with our youth except for KP and a little bit of Ntilikina; of our top 10 players in MPG only KP, THJr, Ntilikina, CLee, and Lance Thomas have contracts past next season; even if we turn it around we were only a .500ish team before this swoon; and even if we wanted to build on this we'd have no real way to add anyone because we'd be capped out.

You left out the most important part, Perry made that deal while under Melo's NTC. Perry made a very good deal considering he had very little wiggle room. That should at least make you want to give him the benefit of the doubt IMO. See if he can make some moves to better balance out the roster this season.

GustavBahler wrote:Some of you get far too enthusiastic for losing. Doesn't take much for you to go there. Not even the All-Star break. Burke hasnt played, trade deadlines havent passed. Like hitting the reset button on your XBox.

Burke hasn't played? hahahaha....listen to yourself. Resistance is futile. Let go....

BigDaddyG wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Some of you get far too enthusiastic for losing. Doesn't take much for you to go there. Not even the All-Star break. Burke hasnt played, trade deadlines havent passed. Like hitting the reset button on your XBox.

Burke hasn't played? hahahaha....listen to yourself. Resistance is futile. Let go....

Listen to yourself, your path to victory is endless losing, and ping pong balls. Come to the sane side, lol.

GustavBahler wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Some of you get far too enthusiastic for losing. Doesn't take much for you to go there. Not even the All-Star break. Burke hasnt played, trade deadlines havent passed. Like hitting the reset button on your XBox.

Burke hasn't played? hahahaha....listen to yourself. Resistance is futile. Let go....

Listen to yourself, your path to victory is endless losing, and ping pong balls. Come to the sane side, lol.

Only through the power of the tank can we be reborn...

GustavBahler wrote:

VCoug wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

VCoug wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Some of you get far too enthusiastic for losing. Doesn't take much for you to go there. Not even the All-Star break. Burke hasnt played, trade deadlines havent passed. Like hitting the reset button on your XBox.

The chances that Burke makes a significant difference to this team are somewhere between slim and none and we don't have the assets to make a trade if someone significant becomes available. I'm happy to lost short term if it means a better chance of winning long term. Depending on who you talk to, this year's draft has somewhere between 3 (Doncic, Ayton, Bagley) and 6 (Young, Porter, Bamba) potential franchise players. If losing a few more games this season means we draft a franchise player then, yes, we should be rooting for losses just like the years we wanted to draft Westbrook and then Curry and just missed out on them.

My point is that some have become so jaded, that they cant wait to see how it plays out. Perry made a very good deal for Melo considering the severe limits that were placed on his ability to make the best deal for the team. Not waiting to see how he responds, ready to flush the season already. Too soon.

At some point it may be more advantageous to look ahead to the lottery, but this early in the season feels cynical. There isnt the drama from last season, the team gets along, the coach hasnt lost the team as of now. Lets see if they can turn things around. That is something a young team can build on.

Yes, he made a very good deal in that he didn't take back any disastrous contracts like Ryan Anderson but we didn't get back any real assets. Kanter is a nice, overpaid player who's adding a couple of wins but doesn't make any major difference; McDermott is whatever; and we got a 2nd round pick. Like I said above, we have no assets to add a significant, win-now piece; there's nothing for Perry to respond with.

We're not that young of a team (we're tied for 12th oldest with Washington); we're not really winning with our youth except for KP and a little bit of Ntilikina; of our top 10 players in MPG only KP, THJr, Ntilikina, CLee, and Lance Thomas have contracts past next season; even if we turn it around we were only a .500ish team before this swoon; and even if we wanted to build on this we'd have no real way to add anyone because we'd be capped out.

You left out the most important part, Perry made that deal while under Melo's NTC. Perry made a very good deal considering he had very little wiggle room. That should at least make you want to give him the benefit of the doubt IMO. See if he can make some moves to better balance out the roster this season.

The issue isn't roster balance, it's roster talent. Every player on this team would be a role player on a good team, including KP at this point in his career. There's no balance to turn this team from a .500-ish at best team into something resembling a title contender.