Paris907 wrote:Q: how’s his defense ?????
He’s ready. Tim should be relegated to the bench. He’s not a poor nba player just lacks the smarts and consistency
Night in and night out. Beal toyed w him in the 3rd, got into his head and extinguished him.
Hes a good ballhandler for his size. Hes untapped and just starting to breakout.
BRIGGS wrote:Paris907 wrote:Q: how’s his defense ?????
He’s ready. Tim should be relegated to the bench. He’s not a poor nba player just lacks the smarts and consistency
Night in and night out. Beal toyed w him in the 3rd, got into his head and extinguished him.
Hes a good ballhandler for his size. Hes untapped and just starting to breakout.
You guys don't like Hardaway as a starter, but are ready to commit big time to Hezonja? This guy has proven nothing, other than putting up big numbers for a couple of weeks on one of the worst teams in the league. You guys will like him until we maybe sign him, then hate him within a couple months. That's how it works here.
Knixkik wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Paris907 wrote:Q: how’s his defense ?????
He’s ready. Tim should be relegated to the bench. He’s not a poor nba player just lacks the smarts and consistency
Night in and night out. Beal toyed w him in the 3rd, got into his head and extinguished him.
Hes a good ballhandler for his size. Hes untapped and just starting to breakout.
You guys don't like Hardaway as a starter, but are ready to commit big time to Hezonja? This guy has proven nothing, other than putting up big numbers for a couple of weeks on one of the worst teams in the league. You guys will like him until we maybe sign him, then hate him within a couple months. That's how it works here.
I think a lot of people liked Mario when he came out but he was a bit to young and wild for the NBA. Hes now the Magic best defensive player. Hes almost 6-10 can handle shoot decent passer. Has shown a very comfortable side here--hes a better prospect than Hardaway. He also wont cost 72mm maybe 50-60.
BRIGGS wrote:Knixkik wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Paris907 wrote:Q: how’s his defense ?????
He’s ready. Tim should be relegated to the bench. He’s not a poor nba player just lacks the smarts and consistency
Night in and night out. Beal toyed w him in the 3rd, got into his head and extinguished him.
Hes a good ballhandler for his size. Hes untapped and just starting to breakout.
You guys don't like Hardaway as a starter, but are ready to commit big time to Hezonja? This guy has proven nothing, other than putting up big numbers for a couple of weeks on one of the worst teams in the league. You guys will like him until we maybe sign him, then hate him within a couple months. That's how it works here.
I think a lot of people liked Mario when he came out but he was a bit to young and wild for the NBA. Hes now the Magic best defensive player. Hes almost 6-10 can handle shoot decent passer. Has shown a very comfortable side here--hes a better prospect than Hardaway. He also wont cost 72mm maybe 50-60.
Maybe he's a better prospect, but there is no way to know how he develops. Hardaway was one of the leading scorers on a playoff team last year. Hezonja is just putting together a stretch of good games on a really bad team. Seems like the grass is always greener theory to me. I am intrigued by him some, but I want to see more.
Strange obsession with the 2015 draft projects in NY.
We already have KP (#2) and Mudiay (#7), and previously had Jerian Grant (#19) and Willy Hernangomez(#35). JP Totoko (#58) has also spent time with the Knicks Summer league.
Brooklyn has Russell (#2), Okafor (#3), and Hollis-Jefferson (#23).
Folks here have been fawning over Stanley Johnson and now, Hezonja.
And back to Justise Winslow... what happened to him? Wasn't he the next James Harden/Paul Pierce? When did he get stiff and turn into the next Michael Kidd-Gilchrist?!?
technomaster wrote:Strange obsession with the 2015 draft projects in NY. We already have KP (#2) and Mudiay (#7), and previously had Jerian Grant (#19) and Willy Hernangomez(#35). JP Totoko (#58) has also spent time with the Knicks Summer league.
Brooklyn has Russell (#2), Okafor (#3), and Hollis-Jefferson (#23).
Folks here have been fawning over Stanley Johnson and now, Hezonja.
And back to Justise Winslow... what happened to him? Wasn't he the next James Harden/Paul Pierce? When did he get stiff and turn into the next Michael Kidd-Gilchrist?!?
He got injured and never improved his jumper. Still plenty of time for him though.
For me, Hezonja is a classic sign him to a 1 year contract guy. Knicks may have a starting spot at SF? Offer him a shot and see how it goes.
technomaster wrote:Strange obsession with the 2015 draft projects in NY. We already have KP (#2) and Mudiay (#7), and previously had Jerian Grant (#19) and Willy Hernangomez(#35). JP Totoko (#58) has also spent time with the Knicks Summer league.
Brooklyn has Russell (#2), Okafor (#3), and Hollis-Jefferson (#23).
Folks here have been fawning over Stanley Johnson and now, Hezonja.
And back to Justise Winslow... what happened to him? Wasn't he the next James Harden/Paul Pierce? When did he get stiff and turn into the next Michael Kidd-Gilchrist?!?
Guys come into the league under developed in either body or game(or both) and it takes years to get up to snuff. Walking in at year 4 when they are 22-23 i about right.
martin wrote:For me, Hezonja is a classic sign him to a 1 year contract guy. Knicks may have a starting spot at SF? Offer him a shot and see how it goes.
Im not sure about that--first off if he plays like he is now hes getting paid by someone more than 1 year. If the MLE is 9mm now--than a commitment to 4-5 years at 10-11 mm--say 4 years 44mm -48mm with a team option on 5. 11-12 mm or just above the MLE. We have those funds.
BRIGGS wrote:martin wrote:For me, Hezonja is a classic sign him to a 1 year contract guy. Knicks may have a starting spot at SF? Offer him a shot and see how it goes.
Im not sure about that--first off if he plays like he is now hes getting paid by someone more than 1 year. If the MLE is 9mm now--than a commitment to 4-5 years at 10-11 mm--say 4 years 44mm -48mm with a team option on 5. 11-12 mm or just above the MLE. We have those funds.
you are only thinking about a 1 year plan, not long term.
Hezonja just had a couple of good months over the past 3 years? And if he falls back to bust mode, you just created more dead weight cap space.
Overpay him for 1 year or whatever and then team option after that.
Knixkik wrote:technomaster wrote:Strange obsession with the 2015 draft projects in NY. We already have KP (#2) and Mudiay (#7), and previously had Jerian Grant (#19) and Willy Hernangomez(#35). JP Totoko (#58) has also spent time with the Knicks Summer league.
Brooklyn has Russell (#2), Okafor (#3), and Hollis-Jefferson (#23).
Folks here have been fawning over Stanley Johnson and now, Hezonja.
And back to Justise Winslow... what happened to him? Wasn't he the next James Harden/Paul Pierce? When did he get stiff and turn into the next Michael Kidd-Gilchrist?!?
He got injured and never improved his jumper. Still plenty of time for him though.
Winslow’s jumper is finally improving.
BRIGGS wrote:Knixkik wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Paris907 wrote:Q: how’s his defense ?????
He’s ready. Tim should be relegated to the bench. He’s not a poor nba player just lacks the smarts and consistency
Night in and night out. Beal toyed w him in the 3rd, got into his head and extinguished him.
Hes a good ballhandler for his size. Hes untapped and just starting to breakout.
You guys don't like Hardaway as a starter, but are ready to commit big time to Hezonja? This guy has proven nothing, other than putting up big numbers for a couple of weeks on one of the worst teams in the league. You guys will like him until we maybe sign him, then hate him within a couple months. That's how it works here.
I think a lot of people liked Mario when he came out but he was a bit to young and wild for the NBA. Hes now the Magic best defensive player. Hes almost 6-10 can handle shoot decent passer. Has shown a very comfortable side here--hes a better prospect than Hardaway. He also wont cost 72mm maybe 50-60.
He's 6-8 and is league-below average in every defensive metrics for his position. Even Magic have better +/- when he's off the floor. Only for last two months he averages 10 ppg. 50-60 for that?
martin wrote:BRIGGS wrote:martin wrote:For me, Hezonja is a classic sign him to a 1 year contract guy. Knicks may have a starting spot at SF? Offer him a shot and see how it goes.
Im not sure about that--first off if he plays like he is now hes getting paid by someone more than 1 year. If the MLE is 9mm now--than a commitment to 4-5 years at 10-11 mm--say 4 years 44mm -48mm with a team option on 5. 11-12 mm or just above the MLE. We have those funds.
you are only thinking about a 1 year plan, not long term.
Hezonja just had a couple of good months over the past 3 years? And if he falls back to bust mode, you just created more dead weight cap space.
Overpay him for 1 year or whatever and then team option after that.
Yep I like your plan it would be insane to give him 4 years
NYC is a city that European players like to play in bc they will find many people from their respective countries here. Money eventually talks but a player like Hezenja can come here and play on a prove it contract. Playing the 3 here offers a unique opportunity for him.
Jmpasq wrote:martin wrote:BRIGGS wrote:martin wrote:For me, Hezonja is a classic sign him to a 1 year contract guy. Knicks may have a starting spot at SF? Offer him a shot and see how it goes.
Im not sure about that--first off if he plays like he is now hes getting paid by someone more than 1 year. If the MLE is 9mm now--than a commitment to 4-5 years at 10-11 mm--say 4 years 44mm -48mm with a team option on 5. 11-12 mm or just above the MLE. We have those funds.
you are only thinking about a 1 year plan, not long term.
Hezonja just had a couple of good months over the past 3 years? And if he falls back to bust mode, you just created more dead weight cap space.
Overpay him for 1 year or whatever and then team option after that.
Yep I like your plan it would be insane to give him 4 years
I kind of agree with Briggs but not at the figures he put up. There is always a team willing to throw money at potential. I think Mario's agent will hold a good amount of leverage since almost every team can at least offer the mid level.
Though after not playing for these 2.5 yrs. I think he will value PT over salary. But his agent will have the leverage for a player option over a team. He either really believes in himself and takes a 2 yr deal with PO for the 2nd yr. Or he takes a 3 yr deal with a PO in the 3rd. We are a favorable location due to need, diversity, and influx of euros already on the roster.
I like the fact that when the play him at PF to cover for Gordan. He snags 10 rebounds. And he seems to routinely get 2 stls a game A team like Houston though will crave him. Would have to sell him on the open opportunity to be a feature in NY.
Seems like Orlando can only offer him up to $5 mil a year because they lost his rights. They are likely to lose him this summer. Might be a good opportunity here to get him without committing big.
The more i think about it, the more it seems likely that Perry will grab Hezonja this summer. The contract will be the question. But I am sure Perry was heavily involved in the draft/scouting process that brought him to Orlando, and probably developed a good relationship with him. The SF slot will be wide open, so i am sure Perry will sell him on that opportunity. Seems to fit the mold of young, athletic shooter. I just wonder if he will commit a long-term contract with summer 2019 on the horizon.
I liked this kid Kevon Looney. Warriors didn’t pick up his option so he is a FA this summer. Could be had cheap and would bring athletecism at a position of need. He’s 22 years old and unless I just saw him on a good night, has some hops
Be nice if Troy Williams can rise to these guys level and be a low cost home grown player!
He next up.
Hezonja thoughts after tonite game?
I'd pass. We need a SF who is an excellent defender -- if we sacrifice on that then the guy needs to be next level offense -- pass, shoot, smart everything
he's not either. Will be a distraction. If we get him for short money if Beasley were to leave that would be ok; we just can't be signing him thinking he's The Guy
