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I don’t trust this front office. It was developmental year and only Ntlikina got time to develop and even then you could say he didn’t get enough time. Kuz and Willie get discarded. Dotson has basically amassed 316 minutes for the year which is basically the equivalent to 6 1/2 games. Where was the development of the players. This was such a wasted year nothing got done the way it’s supposed to for a development stand point. I’m watching the Miami game and Ntlikina isn’t even being used. The entire third quarter used on vets. How ridiculous are the Knicks. A lot you guys are singing praises but this has been the worst year than last simply because last year players young ones and home grown players were being used at a higher frequency.

The worst part of this year is losing KP and poor lottery position. Just an all around ridiculously dumb organization.

Vmart wrote:I don’t trust this front office. It was developmental year and only Ntlikina got time to develop and even then you could say he didn’t get enough time. Kuz and Willie get discarded. Dotson has basically amassed 316 minutes for the year which is basically the equivalent to 6 1/2 games. Where was the development of the players. This was such a wasted year nothing got done the way it’s supposed to for a development stand point. I’m watching the Miami game and Ntlikina isn’t even being used. The entire third quarter used on vets. How ridiculous are the Knicks. A lot you guys are singing praises but this has been the worst year than last simply because last year players young ones and home grown players were being used at a higher frequency.

The worst part of this year is losing KP and poor lottery position. Just an all around ridiculously dumb organization.

yep no idea what they are doing a truly inept organization. As long as Steve Mills is here we will go nowhere

So true -

Frank, Burke, Dotson, Hicks, Kornet should be the starting lineup going forward and each should get at least 25-30 mpg.

It is not development year. There is nothing to develop.
This is evaluation year to find out whom else we need to trash.
Not to much to retain. And we know what they worth money wise.
Clarity is what we needed and we have it.
Sorry we suck.
Just accept reality, surrender, and start working on new building.
There is no other alternative.

Jmpasq wrote:

Vmart wrote:I don’t trust this front office. It was developmental year and only Ntlikina got time to develop and even then you could say he didn’t get enough time. Kuz and Willie get discarded. Dotson has basically amassed 316 minutes for the year which is basically the equivalent to 6 1/2 games. Where was the development of the players. This was such a wasted year nothing got done the way it’s supposed to for a development stand point. I’m watching the Miami game and Ntlikina isn’t even being used. The entire third quarter used on vets. How ridiculous are the Knicks. A lot you guys are singing praises but this has been the worst year than last simply because last year players young ones and home grown players were being used at a higher frequency.

The worst part of this year is losing KP and poor lottery position. Just an all around ridiculously dumb organization.

yep no idea what they are doing a truly inept organization. As long as Steve Mills is here we will go nowhere

you two guys should go on a camping trip together

Jmpasq wrote:

Vmart wrote:I don’t trust this front office. It was developmental year and only Ntlikina got time to develop and even then you could say he didn’t get enough time. Kuz and Willie get discarded. Dotson has basically amassed 316 minutes for the year which is basically the equivalent to 6 1/2 games. Where was the development of the players. This was such a wasted year nothing got done the way it’s supposed to for a development stand point. I’m watching the Miami game and Ntlikina isn’t even being used. The entire third quarter used on vets. How ridiculous are the Knicks. A lot you guys are singing praises but this has been the worst year than last simply because last year players young ones and home grown players were being used at a higher frequency.

The worst part of this year is losing KP and poor lottery position. Just an all around ridiculously dumb organization.

yep no idea what they are doing a truly inept organization. As long as Steve Mills is here we will go nowhere

I'm not understanding why some people don't get this. He sent 19 million a yr Noah away, and kept 3 million a yr JH around to coach a 3 and 22 record(in Noah's absence).

some of you are impress by the fact he kept draft picks and didn't trade every thing for Kyrie, or Bledsoe..

This entire season was dedicated to frank, and he's been far from impressive, I certainly wouldn't be surprise if Marks hired, Trae is drafted, and Frank is shipped for another pick.

knicks1248 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

Vmart wrote:I don’t trust this front office. It was developmental year and only Ntlikina got time to develop and even then you could say he didn’t get enough time. Kuz and Willie get discarded. Dotson has basically amassed 316 minutes for the year which is basically the equivalent to 6 1/2 games. Where was the development of the players. This was such a wasted year nothing got done the way it’s supposed to for a development stand point. I’m watching the Miami game and Ntlikina isn’t even being used. The entire third quarter used on vets. How ridiculous are the Knicks. A lot you guys are singing praises but this has been the worst year than last simply because last year players young ones and home grown players were being used at a higher frequency.

The worst part of this year is losing KP and poor lottery position. Just an all around ridiculously dumb organization.

yep no idea what they are doing a truly inept organization. As long as Steve Mills is here we will go nowhere

I'm not understanding why some people don't get this. He sent 19 million a yr Noah away, and kept 3 million a yr JH around to coach a 3 and 22 record(in Noah's absence).

some of you are impress by the fact he kept draft picks and didn't trade every thing for Kyrie, or Bledsoe..

This entire season was dedicated to frank, and he's been far from impressive, I certainly wouldn't be surprise if Marks hired, Trae is drafted, and Frank is shipped for another pick.

Unlike you, Perry and Mills see the value in Frank. We are 29th rated defense with him off the floor, and 13th ranked defense with him on the floor. He is not a big stats guy, but most NBA execs don't focus on simple stats anymore. Frank can play 3 positions (once he adds strength) so drafting a PG will not equate to Frank being shipped out. Most teams have multiple playmakers in the lineup anyway.

Knixkik wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

Vmart wrote:I don’t trust this front office. It was developmental year and only Ntlikina got time to develop and even then you could say he didn’t get enough time. Kuz and Willie get discarded. Dotson has basically amassed 316 minutes for the year which is basically the equivalent to 6 1/2 games. Where was the development of the players. This was such a wasted year nothing got done the way it’s supposed to for a development stand point. I’m watching the Miami game and Ntlikina isn’t even being used. The entire third quarter used on vets. How ridiculous are the Knicks. A lot you guys are singing praises but this has been the worst year than last simply because last year players young ones and home grown players were being used at a higher frequency.

The worst part of this year is losing KP and poor lottery position. Just an all around ridiculously dumb organization.

yep no idea what they are doing a truly inept organization. As long as Steve Mills is here we will go nowhere

I'm not understanding why some people don't get this. He sent 19 million a yr Noah away, and kept 3 million a yr JH around to coach a 3 and 22 record(in Noah's absence).

some of you are impress by the fact he kept draft picks and didn't trade every thing for Kyrie, or Bledsoe..

This entire season was dedicated to frank, and he's been far from impressive, I certainly wouldn't be surprise if Marks hired, Trae is drafted, and Frank is shipped for another pick.

Unlike you, Perry and Mills see the value in Frank. We are 29th rated defense with him off the floor, and 13th ranked defense with him on the floor. He is not a big stats guy, but most NBA execs don't focus on simple stats anymore. Frank can play 3 positions (once he adds strength) so drafting a PG will not equate to Frank being shipped out. Most teams have multiple playmakers in the lineup anyway.

and we are brutal (bottom 3) on offense when franks and lance on the floor, judging from our record, that seems to be more of a factor.

knicks1248 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

Vmart wrote:I don’t trust this front office. It was developmental year and only Ntlikina got time to develop and even then you could say he didn’t get enough time. Kuz and Willie get discarded. Dotson has basically amassed 316 minutes for the year which is basically the equivalent to 6 1/2 games. Where was the development of the players. This was such a wasted year nothing got done the way it’s supposed to for a development stand point. I’m watching the Miami game and Ntlikina isn’t even being used. The entire third quarter used on vets. How ridiculous are the Knicks. A lot you guys are singing praises but this has been the worst year than last simply because last year players young ones and home grown players were being used at a higher frequency.

The worst part of this year is losing KP and poor lottery position. Just an all around ridiculously dumb organization.

yep no idea what they are doing a truly inept organization. As long as Steve Mills is here we will go nowhere

I'm not understanding why some people don't get this. He sent 19 million a yr Noah away, and kept 3 million a yr JH around to coach a 3 and 22 record(in Noah's absence).

some of you are impress by the fact he kept draft picks and didn't trade every thing for Kyrie, or Bledsoe..

This entire season was dedicated to frank, and he's been far from impressive, I certainly wouldn't be surprise if Marks hired, Trae is drafted, and Frank is shipped for another pick.

Sean Marks?

knicks1248 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

Vmart wrote:I don’t trust this front office. It was developmental year and only Ntlikina got time to develop and even then you could say he didn’t get enough time. Kuz and Willie get discarded. Dotson has basically amassed 316 minutes for the year which is basically the equivalent to 6 1/2 games. Where was the development of the players. This was such a wasted year nothing got done the way it’s supposed to for a development stand point. I’m watching the Miami game and Ntlikina isn’t even being used. The entire third quarter used on vets. How ridiculous are the Knicks. A lot you guys are singing praises but this has been the worst year than last simply because last year players young ones and home grown players were being used at a higher frequency.

The worst part of this year is losing KP and poor lottery position. Just an all around ridiculously dumb organization.

yep no idea what they are doing a truly inept organization. As long as Steve Mills is here we will go nowhere

I'm not understanding why some people don't get this. He sent 19 million a yr Noah away, and kept 3 million a yr JH around to coach a 3 and 22 record(in Noah's absence).

some of you are impress by the fact he kept draft picks and didn't trade every thing for Kyrie, or Bledsoe..

This entire season was dedicated to frank, and he's been far from impressive, I certainly wouldn't be surprise if Marks hired, Trae is drafted, and Frank is shipped for another pick.

Those 19 million dollars are from another regime. Noah acted like he was entitled to minutes, even though he was a total zero last season. Juiced, and spent more time in the offseason celebrating his retirement deal, than being prepared to compete. His last big contract.

Im sure Hornacek hasnt forgotten how it made things worse for the team, his first season in NY. Keeping Noah from adding more wear and tear is preferable at this point, than Noah getting hurt and Thibs passing on a possible deal with Minny down the road

As for Frank, hasnt started, his minutes consistently around 20 minutes. Frank has gotten some slack for his lack of aggressiveness, but Franks rookie year hasnt taken precedence over the rest of the team. Or Mudiay wouldnt be getting an extended look at starter, while Frank still comes off the bench. Not the end of the world for me if Hornacek finishes out his deal.

Vmart wrote:I don’t trust this front office. It was developmental year and only Ntlikina got time to develop and even then you could say he didn’t get enough time. Kuz and Willie get discarded. Dotson has basically amassed 316 minutes for the year which is basically the equivalent to 6 1/2 games. Where was the development of the players. This was such a wasted year nothing got done the way it’s supposed to for a development stand point. I’m watching the Miami game and Ntlikina isn’t even being used. The entire third quarter used on vets. How ridiculous are the Knicks. A lot you guys are singing praises but this has been the worst year than last simply because last year players young ones and home grown players were being used at a higher frequency.

The worst part of this year is losing KP and poor lottery position. Just an all around ridiculously dumb organization.

Kuz had to go because of Noah's deal and because Phil didn't draft an NBA ready point guard. Kid not being a Knick is a result of poor management by the past regime. Apparently Clifford and Jeff calling out Willy for his work ethic, poor d etc. doesn't matter because he is under 25?

GustavBahler wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

Vmart wrote:I don’t trust this front office. It was developmental year and only Ntlikina got time to develop and even then you could say he didn’t get enough time. Kuz and Willie get discarded. Dotson has basically amassed 316 minutes for the year which is basically the equivalent to 6 1/2 games. Where was the development of the players. This was such a wasted year nothing got done the way it’s supposed to for a development stand point. I’m watching the Miami game and Ntlikina isn’t even being used. The entire third quarter used on vets. How ridiculous are the Knicks. A lot you guys are singing praises but this has been the worst year than last simply because last year players young ones and home grown players were being used at a higher frequency.

The worst part of this year is losing KP and poor lottery position. Just an all around ridiculously dumb organization.

yep no idea what they are doing a truly inept organization. As long as Steve Mills is here we will go nowhere

I'm not understanding why some people don't get this. He sent 19 million a yr Noah away, and kept 3 million a yr JH around to coach a 3 and 22 record(in Noah's absence).

some of you are impress by the fact he kept draft picks and didn't trade every thing for Kyrie, or Bledsoe..

This entire season was dedicated to frank, and he's been far from impressive, I certainly wouldn't be surprise if Marks hired, Trae is drafted, and Frank is shipped for another pick.

Those 19 million dollars are from another regime. Noah acted like he was entitled to minutes, even though he was a total zero last season. Juiced, and spent more time in the offseason celebrating his retirement deal, than being prepared to compete. His last big contract.

Im sure Hornacek hasnt forgotten how it made things worse for the team, his first season in NY. Keeping Noah from adding more wear and tear is preferable at this point, than Noah getting hurt and Thibs passing on a possible deal with Minny down the road

As for Frank, hasnt started, his minutes consistently around 20 minutes. Frank has gotten some slack for his lack of aggressiveness, but Franks rookie year hasnt taken precedence over the rest of the team. Or Mudiay wouldnt be getting an extended look at starter, while Frank still comes off the bench. Not the end of the world for me if Hornacek finishes out his deal.

Wasn't Mills the GM when Noah was signed, funny how some now point to perry (the gm)when it comes to trades and signings now, but only point to phil when Mills was the GM..

so convenient to exclude Mills from anything associated with player movement (as the GM)under phil

Who else was permitted to play through their mistakes like frank, hell, Noahs was yank after one mishaps in a blow out.

It's ok to tell Willie he needs to work on his defense before receiving any real PT, but not tell frank he needs to work on his brutal(32%) offense to get more PT. That's not an even playing field.

That's why noah and willy were upset.

Rose last season pass the ball to no one, yet Jennings (who average more assist in less minutes) got far less minutes, even after rose skipped out on the team.

That's a fck'd up culture

knicks1248 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

Vmart wrote:I don’t trust this front office. It was developmental year and only Ntlikina got time to develop and even then you could say he didn’t get enough time. Kuz and Willie get discarded. Dotson has basically amassed 316 minutes for the year which is basically the equivalent to 6 1/2 games. Where was the development of the players. This was such a wasted year nothing got done the way it’s supposed to for a development stand point. I’m watching the Miami game and Ntlikina isn’t even being used. The entire third quarter used on vets. How ridiculous are the Knicks. A lot you guys are singing praises but this has been the worst year than last simply because last year players young ones and home grown players were being used at a higher frequency.

The worst part of this year is losing KP and poor lottery position. Just an all around ridiculously dumb organization.

yep no idea what they are doing a truly inept organization. As long as Steve Mills is here we will go nowhere

I'm not understanding why some people don't get this. He sent 19 million a yr Noah away, and kept 3 million a yr JH around to coach a 3 and 22 record(in Noah's absence).

some of you are impress by the fact he kept draft picks and didn't trade every thing for Kyrie, or Bledsoe..

This entire season was dedicated to frank, and he's been far from impressive, I certainly wouldn't be surprise if Marks hired, Trae is drafted, and Frank is shipped for another pick.

Unlike you, Perry and Mills see the value in Frank. We are 29th rated defense with him off the floor, and 13th ranked defense with him on the floor. He is not a big stats guy, but most NBA execs don't focus on simple stats anymore. Frank can play 3 positions (once he adds strength) so drafting a PG will not equate to Frank being shipped out. Most teams have multiple playmakers in the lineup anyway.

and we are brutal (bottom 3) on offense when franks and lance on the floor, judging from our record, that seems to be more of a factor.

Just curious, do you have numbers to back that up? Not doubting it, just interested to look. Also, look at our record with and without KP. If we are talking about our record, that is really the only factor that matters. Frank should not be expected to lead us to wins, as you seem to be suggesting. We are a better team, particularly defensively with him on the floor. I can show you if you would like, there is no disputing it. But because he doesn't score much or make fancy plays, you consistently point out him being some disappointment. The only ones truly disappointed are those more interested in aesthetics than actual contributions to winning.

knicks1248 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

Vmart wrote:I don’t trust this front office. It was developmental year and only Ntlikina got time to develop and even then you could say he didn’t get enough time. Kuz and Willie get discarded. Dotson has basically amassed 316 minutes for the year which is basically the equivalent to 6 1/2 games. Where was the development of the players. This was such a wasted year nothing got done the way it’s supposed to for a development stand point. I’m watching the Miami game and Ntlikina isn’t even being used. The entire third quarter used on vets. How ridiculous are the Knicks. A lot you guys are singing praises but this has been the worst year than last simply because last year players young ones and home grown players were being used at a higher frequency.

The worst part of this year is losing KP and poor lottery position. Just an all around ridiculously dumb organization.

yep no idea what they are doing a truly inept organization. As long as Steve Mills is here we will go nowhere

I'm not understanding why some people don't get this. He sent 19 million a yr Noah away, and kept 3 million a yr JH around to coach a 3 and 22 record(in Noah's absence).

some of you are impress by the fact he kept draft picks and didn't trade every thing for Kyrie, or Bledsoe..

This entire season was dedicated to frank, and he's been far from impressive, I certainly wouldn't be surprise if Marks hired, Trae is drafted, and Frank is shipped for another pick.

Those 19 million dollars are from another regime. Noah acted like he was entitled to minutes, even though he was a total zero last season. Juiced, and spent more time in the offseason celebrating his retirement deal, than being prepared to compete. His last big contract.

Im sure Hornacek hasnt forgotten how it made things worse for the team, his first season in NY. Keeping Noah from adding more wear and tear is preferable at this point, than Noah getting hurt and Thibs passing on a possible deal with Minny down the road

As for Frank, hasnt started, his minutes consistently around 20 minutes. Frank has gotten some slack for his lack of aggressiveness, but Franks rookie year hasnt taken precedence over the rest of the team. Or Mudiay wouldnt be getting an extended look at starter, while Frank still comes off the bench. Not the end of the world for me if Hornacek finishes out his deal.

Wasn't Mills the GM when Noah was signed, funny how some now point to perry (the gm)when it comes to trades and signings now, but only point to phil when Mills was the GM..

so convenient to exclude Mills from anything associated with player movement (as the GM)under phil

Who else was permitted to play through their mistakes like frank, hell, Noahs was yank after one mishaps in a blow out.

It's ok to tell Willie he needs to work on his defense before receiving any real PT, but not tell frank he needs to work on his brutal(32%) offense to get more PT. That's not an even playing field.

That's why noah and willy were upset.

Rose last season pass the ball to no one, yet Jennings (who average more assist in less minutes) got far less minutes, even after rose skipped out on the team.

That's a fck'd up culture

You'd make a lousy courtroom attorney.

Nalod wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

Vmart wrote:I don’t trust this front office. It was developmental year and only Ntlikina got time to develop and even then you could say he didn’t get enough time. Kuz and Willie get discarded. Dotson has basically amassed 316 minutes for the year which is basically the equivalent to 6 1/2 games. Where was the development of the players. This was such a wasted year nothing got done the way it’s supposed to for a development stand point. I’m watching the Miami game and Ntlikina isn’t even being used. The entire third quarter used on vets. How ridiculous are the Knicks. A lot you guys are singing praises but this has been the worst year than last simply because last year players young ones and home grown players were being used at a higher frequency.

The worst part of this year is losing KP and poor lottery position. Just an all around ridiculously dumb organization.

yep no idea what they are doing a truly inept organization. As long as Steve Mills is here we will go nowhere

I'm not understanding why some people don't get this. He sent 19 million a yr Noah away, and kept 3 million a yr JH around to coach a 3 and 22 record(in Noah's absence).

some of you are impress by the fact he kept draft picks and didn't trade every thing for Kyrie, or Bledsoe..

This entire season was dedicated to frank, and he's been far from impressive, I certainly wouldn't be surprise if Marks hired, Trae is drafted, and Frank is shipped for another pick.

Those 19 million dollars are from another regime. Noah acted like he was entitled to minutes, even though he was a total zero last season. Juiced, and spent more time in the offseason celebrating his retirement deal, than being prepared to compete. His last big contract.

Im sure Hornacek hasnt forgotten how it made things worse for the team, his first season in NY. Keeping Noah from adding more wear and tear is preferable at this point, than Noah getting hurt and Thibs passing on a possible deal with Minny down the road

As for Frank, hasnt started, his minutes consistently around 20 minutes. Frank has gotten some slack for his lack of aggressiveness, but Franks rookie year hasnt taken precedence over the rest of the team. Or Mudiay wouldnt be getting an extended look at starter, while Frank still comes off the bench. Not the end of the world for me if Hornacek finishes out his deal.

Wasn't Mills the GM when Noah was signed, funny how some now point to perry (the gm)when it comes to trades and signings now, but only point to phil when Mills was the GM..

so convenient to exclude Mills from anything associated with player movement (as the GM)under phil

Who else was permitted to play through their mistakes like frank, hell, Noahs was yank after one mishaps in a blow out.

It's ok to tell Willie he needs to work on his defense before receiving any real PT, but not tell frank he needs to work on his brutal(32%) offense to get more PT. That's not an even playing field.

That's why noah and willy were upset.

Rose last season pass the ball to no one, yet Jennings (who average more assist in less minutes) got far less minutes, even after rose skipped out on the team.

That's a fck'd up culture

You'd make a lousy courtroom attorney.

you would have convicted OJ, despite the lousy ass job the DA did

Knixkik wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

Vmart wrote:I don’t trust this front office. It was developmental year and only Ntlikina got time to develop and even then you could say he didn’t get enough time. Kuz and Willie get discarded. Dotson has basically amassed 316 minutes for the year which is basically the equivalent to 6 1/2 games. Where was the development of the players. This was such a wasted year nothing got done the way it’s supposed to for a development stand point. I’m watching the Miami game and Ntlikina isn’t even being used. The entire third quarter used on vets. How ridiculous are the Knicks. A lot you guys are singing praises but this has been the worst year than last simply because last year players young ones and home grown players were being used at a higher frequency.

The worst part of this year is losing KP and poor lottery position. Just an all around ridiculously dumb organization.

yep no idea what they are doing a truly inept organization. As long as Steve Mills is here we will go nowhere

I'm not understanding why some people don't get this. He sent 19 million a yr Noah away, and kept 3 million a yr JH around to coach a 3 and 22 record(in Noah's absence).

some of you are impress by the fact he kept draft picks and didn't trade every thing for Kyrie, or Bledsoe..

This entire season was dedicated to frank, and he's been far from impressive, I certainly wouldn't be surprise if Marks hired, Trae is drafted, and Frank is shipped for another pick.

Unlike you, Perry and Mills see the value in Frank. We are 29th rated defense with him off the floor, and 13th ranked defense with him on the floor. He is not a big stats guy, but most NBA execs don't focus on simple stats anymore. Frank can play 3 positions (once he adds strength) so drafting a PG will not equate to Frank being shipped out. Most teams have multiple playmakers in the lineup anyway.

and we are brutal (bottom 3) on offense when franks and lance on the floor, judging from our record, that seems to be more of a factor.

Just curious, do you have numbers to back that up? Not doubting it, just interested to look. Also, look at our record with and without KP. If we are talking about our record, that is really the only factor that matters. Frank should not be expected to lead us to wins, as you seem to be suggesting. We are a better team, particularly defensively with him on the floor. I can show you if you would like, there is no disputing it. But because he doesn't score much or make fancy plays, you consistently point out him being some disappointment. The only ones truly disappointed are those more interested in aesthetics than actual contributions to winning.

this was last night alone

Ntilikina was coming off two encouraging performances — both victories for the Knicks — but completed one of the worst games of his NBA career Wednesday, scoring just three points on 1-of-5 shooting. The Knicks were outscored by 17 points in Ntilikina’s 20 minutes.[/quote]

fishmike wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

Vmart wrote:I don’t trust this front office. It was developmental year and only Ntlikina got time to develop and even then you could say he didn’t get enough time. Kuz and Willie get discarded. Dotson has basically amassed 316 minutes for the year which is basically the equivalent to 6 1/2 games. Where was the development of the players. This was such a wasted year nothing got done the way it’s supposed to for a development stand point. I’m watching the Miami game and Ntlikina isn’t even being used. The entire third quarter used on vets. How ridiculous are the Knicks. A lot you guys are singing praises but this has been the worst year than last simply because last year players young ones and home grown players were being used at a higher frequency.

The worst part of this year is losing KP and poor lottery position. Just an all around ridiculously dumb organization.

yep no idea what they are doing a truly inept organization. As long as Steve Mills is here we will go nowhere

you two guys should go on a camping trip together

I can say the same for you and Nalod.

knicks1248 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

Vmart wrote:I don’t trust this front office. It was developmental year and only Ntlikina got time to develop and even then you could say he didn’t get enough time. Kuz and Willie get discarded. Dotson has basically amassed 316 minutes for the year which is basically the equivalent to 6 1/2 games. Where was the development of the players. This was such a wasted year nothing got done the way it’s supposed to for a development stand point. I’m watching the Miami game and Ntlikina isn’t even being used. The entire third quarter used on vets. How ridiculous are the Knicks. A lot you guys are singing praises but this has been the worst year than last simply because last year players young ones and home grown players were being used at a higher frequency.

The worst part of this year is losing KP and poor lottery position. Just an all around ridiculously dumb organization.

yep no idea what they are doing a truly inept organization. As long as Steve Mills is here we will go nowhere

I'm not understanding why some people don't get this. He sent 19 million a yr Noah away, and kept 3 million a yr JH around to coach a 3 and 22 record(in Noah's absence).

some of you are impress by the fact he kept draft picks and didn't trade every thing for Kyrie, or Bledsoe..

This entire season was dedicated to frank, and he's been far from impressive, I certainly wouldn't be surprise if Marks hired, Trae is drafted, and Frank is shipped for another pick.

Those 19 million dollars are from another regime. Noah acted like he was entitled to minutes, even though he was a total zero last season. Juiced, and spent more time in the offseason celebrating his retirement deal, than being prepared to compete. His last big contract.

Im sure Hornacek hasnt forgotten how it made things worse for the team, his first season in NY. Keeping Noah from adding more wear and tear is preferable at this point, than Noah getting hurt and Thibs passing on a possible deal with Minny down the road

As for Frank, hasnt started, his minutes consistently around 20 minutes. Frank has gotten some slack for his lack of aggressiveness, but Franks rookie year hasnt taken precedence over the rest of the team. Or Mudiay wouldnt be getting an extended look at starter, while Frank still comes off the bench. Not the end of the world for me if Hornacek finishes out his deal.

Wasn't Mills the GM when Noah was signed, funny how some now point to perry (the gm)when it comes to trades and signings now, but only point to phil when Mills was the GM..

so convenient to exclude Mills from anything associated with player movement (as the GM)under phil

Who else was permitted to play through their mistakes like frank, hell, Noahs was yank after one mishaps in a blow out.

It's ok to tell Willie he needs to work on his defense before receiving any real PT, but not tell frank he needs to work on his brutal(32%) offense to get more PT. That's not an even playing field.

That's why noah and willy were upset.

Rose last season pass the ball to no one, yet Jennings (who average more assist in less minutes) got far less minutes, even after rose skipped out on the team.

That's a fck'd up culture

Noah's ridiculous deal came from him seeking out Phil, and shmoozing himself into 70 million dollars. After being relegated to tbe bench in Chicago. And Mills did what he has done since joining the Knicks, he said "yes".

Again, Frank got some slack for his offense, a big reason being he is already one of the best on the ball defenders in the league, while Willy was one of the worst. As simple as that. If Frank had been rushed into tbe starting lineup, I would agree with you.

20 minutes a game is sometimes more than I felt Frank deserved. Thought he should spend more time watching Burke, and learn. Still dont believe Hornacek has gone overboard with minutes for Frank this season.

Vmart wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

Vmart wrote:I don’t trust this front office. It was developmental year and only Ntlikina got time to develop and even then you could say he didn’t get enough time. Kuz and Willie get discarded. Dotson has basically amassed 316 minutes for the year which is basically the equivalent to 6 1/2 games. Where was the development of the players. This was such a wasted year nothing got done the way it’s supposed to for a development stand point. I’m watching the Miami game and Ntlikina isn’t even being used. The entire third quarter used on vets. How ridiculous are the Knicks. A lot you guys are singing praises but this has been the worst year than last simply because last year players young ones and home grown players were being used at a higher frequency.

The worst part of this year is losing KP and poor lottery position. Just an all around ridiculously dumb organization.

yep no idea what they are doing a truly inept organization. As long as Steve Mills is here we will go nowhere

you two guys should go on a camping trip together

I can say the same for you and Nalod.

yea.. but we would have a lot of Knick fans around our warm fun camp fire. You would be alone with Jmp and 1248 in the dark and rain because nothing good ever happens in your world.

GustavBahler wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

Vmart wrote:I don’t trust this front office. It was developmental year and only Ntlikina got time to develop and even then you could say he didn’t get enough time. Kuz and Willie get discarded. Dotson has basically amassed 316 minutes for the year which is basically the equivalent to 6 1/2 games. Where was the development of the players. This was such a wasted year nothing got done the way it’s supposed to for a development stand point. I’m watching the Miami game and Ntlikina isn’t even being used. The entire third quarter used on vets. How ridiculous are the Knicks. A lot you guys are singing praises but this has been the worst year than last simply because last year players young ones and home grown players were being used at a higher frequency.

The worst part of this year is losing KP and poor lottery position. Just an all around ridiculously dumb organization.

yep no idea what they are doing a truly inept organization. As long as Steve Mills is here we will go nowhere

I'm not understanding why some people don't get this. He sent 19 million a yr Noah away, and kept 3 million a yr JH around to coach a 3 and 22 record(in Noah's absence).

some of you are impress by the fact he kept draft picks and didn't trade every thing for Kyrie, or Bledsoe..

This entire season was dedicated to frank, and he's been far from impressive, I certainly wouldn't be surprise if Marks hired, Trae is drafted, and Frank is shipped for another pick.

Those 19 million dollars are from another regime. Noah acted like he was entitled to minutes, even though he was a total zero last season. Juiced, and spent more time in the offseason celebrating his retirement deal, than being prepared to compete. His last big contract.

Im sure Hornacek hasnt forgotten how it made things worse for the team, his first season in NY. Keeping Noah from adding more wear and tear is preferable at this point, than Noah getting hurt and Thibs passing on a possible deal with Minny down the road

As for Frank, hasnt started, his minutes consistently around 20 minutes. Frank has gotten some slack for his lack of aggressiveness, but Franks rookie year hasnt taken precedence over the rest of the team. Or Mudiay wouldnt be getting an extended look at starter, while Frank still comes off the bench. Not the end of the world for me if Hornacek finishes out his deal.

Wasn't Mills the GM when Noah was signed, funny how some now point to perry (the gm)when it comes to trades and signings now, but only point to phil when Mills was the GM..

so convenient to exclude Mills from anything associated with player movement (as the GM)under phil

Who else was permitted to play through their mistakes like frank, hell, Noahs was yank after one mishaps in a blow out.

It's ok to tell Willie he needs to work on his defense before receiving any real PT, but not tell frank he needs to work on his brutal(32%) offense to get more PT. That's not an even playing field.

That's why noah and willy were upset.

Rose last season pass the ball to no one, yet Jennings (who average more assist in less minutes) got far less minutes, even after rose skipped out on the team.

That's a fck'd up culture

Noah's ridiculous deal came from him seeking out Phil, and shmoozing himself into 70 million dollars. After being relegated to tbe bench in Chicago. And Mills did what he has done since joining the Knicks, he said "yes".

Again, Frank got some slack for his offense, a big reason being he is already one of the best on the ball defenders in the league, while Willy was one of the worst. As simple as that. If Frank had been rushed into tbe starting lineup, I would agree with you.

20 minutes a game is sometimes more than I felt Frank deserved. Thought he should spend more time watching Burke, and learn. Still dont believe Hornacek has gone overboard with minutes for Frank this season.

Frank has averaged 20mpg for just about 70 games now. That is a great about of work for a 19 year old who has never lifted weights and isnt ready for the league. This is what it looks like when you talk about a young player "taking his lumps." Dude plays every night. Sometimes he gets yanked, other times they ride him longer when he's playing well. Knick fans have no context for player development. Frank is doing just fine and the Knicks doing a good job with him.