Knicks · Food for thought from The Ringer regarding drafting point guards who aren't sure stars (page 1)

ccinflushing @ 4/26/2018 6:13 AM
.. in this article from The Ringer (https://www.theringer.com/nba/2018/4/20/...

Terry Rozier’s and Delon Wright’s three-year apprenticeships are paying off. The two young point guards have made names for themselves in the first round of the playoffs. Rozier has stepped in for the injured Kyrie Irving and sliced up the Bucks’ defense to help the Celtics to a 2-0 lead in their series, while Wright has been first among equals on a Raptors bench that powered the team to a 2-0 lead over the Wizards. Neither may end up being a star, but they both look ready to lead a team of their own. Acquiring one of them could be a new way forward for a rebuilding team: Instead of dealing with the growing pains of a young point guard, let them develop on someone else’s time.

.. could apply to Colin Sexton and Trae Young

fishmike @ 4/26/2018 9:42 AM
ccinflushing wrote:.. in this article from The Ringer (https://www.theringer.com/nba/2018/4/20/...

Terry Rozier’s and Delon Wright’s three-year apprenticeships are paying off. The two young point guards have made names for themselves in the first round of the playoffs. Rozier has stepped in for the injured Kyrie Irving and sliced up the Bucks’ defense to help the Celtics to a 2-0 lead in their series, while Wright has been first among equals on a Raptors bench that powered the team to a 2-0 lead over the Wizards. Neither may end up being a star, but they both look ready to lead a team of their own. Acquiring one of them could be a new way forward for a rebuilding team: Instead of dealing with the growing pains of a young point guard, let them develop on someone else’s time.

.. could apply to Colin Sexton and Trae Young

lottery pick, takes his lumps with another team, gets cast off, fight his way back, shows skills and talents that made him a lottery pick, ready to run a team. 25 years old

Trey Burke anyone?

knickstorrents @ 4/26/2018 9:48 AM
Colin Sexton seems too me-first
Trae Young is too undersized
Knixkik @ 4/26/2018 10:20 AM
ccinflushing wrote:.. in this article from The Ringer (https://www.theringer.com/nba/2018/4/20/...

Terry Rozier’s and Delon Wright’s three-year apprenticeships are paying off. The two young point guards have made names for themselves in the first round of the playoffs. Rozier has stepped in for the injured Kyrie Irving and sliced up the Bucks’ defense to help the Celtics to a 2-0 lead in their series, while Wright has been first among equals on a Raptors bench that powered the team to a 2-0 lead over the Wizards. Neither may end up being a star, but they both look ready to lead a team of their own. Acquiring one of them could be a new way forward for a rebuilding team: Instead of dealing with the growing pains of a young point guard, let them develop on someone else’s time.

.. could apply to Colin Sexton and Trae Young

This is essentially what the knicks are doing. Acquiring under 25 talent from other teams. Hardaway, Burke, and Mudiay. All good gambles. Some will hit and some will miss.

Nalod @ 4/26/2018 10:29 AM
Knixkik wrote:
ccinflushing wrote:.. in this article from The Ringer (https://www.theringer.com/nba/2018/4/20/...

Terry Rozier’s and Delon Wright’s three-year apprenticeships are paying off. The two young point guards have made names for themselves in the first round of the playoffs. Rozier has stepped in for the injured Kyrie Irving and sliced up the Bucks’ defense to help the Celtics to a 2-0 lead in their series, while Wright has been first among equals on a Raptors bench that powered the team to a 2-0 lead over the Wizards. Neither may end up being a star, but they both look ready to lead a team of their own. Acquiring one of them could be a new way forward for a rebuilding team: Instead of dealing with the growing pains of a young point guard, let them develop on someone else’s time.

.. could apply to Colin Sexton and Trae Young

This is essentially what the knicks are doing. Acquiring under 25 talent from other teams. Hardaway, Burke, and Mudiay. All good gambles. Some will hit and some will miss.

Key is for teams to trade them in return for value before they are free.
Its not a new model and its how teams can sustain longer periods of contention. Spurs best example of re-purposing other teams mid level players.
At the same times its important to know when to cut bait and move on. Mudiay is an extreme case but Denver has his replacement. The fact he was picked 7th should not matter. We have tried with Derrick Williams but not all are worthy of continuing.
For that matter, I say no to Beas. He was good for keeping games close in our tankathon and he can put up points, but they are more often "empty Calories". In crunch time he sort of zones out on defense and is not in the moment. Low IQ.

djsunyc @ 4/26/2018 10:51 AM
phil took pg grant the pick before delon wright. is grant even in the league?
Sangfroid @ 4/26/2018 10:53 AM
Nalod wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
ccinflushing wrote:.. in this article from The Ringer (https://www.theringer.com/nba/2018/4/20/...

Terry Rozier’s and Delon Wright’s three-year apprenticeships are paying off. The two young point guards have made names for themselves in the first round of the playoffs. Rozier has stepped in for the injured Kyrie Irving and sliced up the Bucks’ defense to help the Celtics to a 2-0 lead in their series, while Wright has been first among equals on a Raptors bench that powered the team to a 2-0 lead over the Wizards. Neither may end up being a star, but they both look ready to lead a team of their own. Acquiring one of them could be a new way forward for a rebuilding team: Instead of dealing with the growing pains of a young point guard, let them develop on someone else’s time.

.. could apply to Colin Sexton and Trae Young

This is essentially what the knicks are doing. Acquiring under 25 talent from other teams. Hardaway, Burke, and Mudiay. All good gambles. Some will hit and some will miss.

Key is for teams to trade them in return for value before they are free.
Its not a new model and its how teams can sustain longer periods of contention. Spurs best example of re-purposing other teams mid level players.
At the same times its important to know when to cut bait and move on. Mudiay is an extreme case but Denver has his replacement. The fact he was picked 7th should not matter. We have tried with Derrick Williams but not all are worthy of continuing.
For that matter, I say no to Beas. He was good for keeping games close in our tankathon and he can put up points, but they are more often "empty Calories". In crunch time he sort of zones out on defense and is not in the moment. Low IQ.

Beasley is like the hired gun, called in to tame the town. In this case, he's called in to provide offense, something that will be sorely missed this upcoming season. Let it be the new coach's decision (Hopefully, Coach Bud). Let's see what a defined role after training camp and the new season under Bud brings. Give him a two year deal, with an option on the second. It will take at least that long before we can re-assess where we are with KP.

meloshouldgo @ 4/26/2018 7:02 PM
Knixkik wrote:
ccinflushing wrote:.. in this article from The Ringer (https://www.theringer.com/nba/2018/4/20/...

Terry Rozier’s and Delon Wright’s three-year apprenticeships are paying off. The two young point guards have made names for themselves in the first round of the playoffs. Rozier has stepped in for the injured Kyrie Irving and sliced up the Bucks’ defense to help the Celtics to a 2-0 lead in their series, while Wright has been first among equals on a Raptors bench that powered the team to a 2-0 lead over the Wizards. Neither may end up being a star, but they both look ready to lead a team of their own. Acquiring one of them could be a new way forward for a rebuilding team: Instead of dealing with the growing pains of a young point guard, let them develop on someone else’s time.

.. could apply to Colin Sexton and Trae Young

This is essentially what the knicks are doing. Acquiring under 25 talent from other teams. Hardaway, Burke, and Mudiay. All good gambles. Some will hit and some will miss.

Yes and this is definitely a new twist on teh Hinkie model, we are going for the lottery rejects/busts to see if there was something really there. While I am not a big fan of undersized guards the approach itself is sound.

GoNyGoNyGo @ 4/27/2018 8:00 AM
djsunyc wrote:phil took pg grant the pick before delon wright. is grant even in the league?

Grant played well when he played for Chicago.

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