Knicks · I am warming up to the Fizdale hiring (page 1)
Unlike most I was neutral, meh on the Fizdale pick. But after listening to him on the "I am Rapaport" podcast I am starting to think this guy gets it. At about the 46:40 minute to about the 47 minute mark he starts talking about what its going to take to beat Golden State or Houston.
He asks,"How do I beat the best?
"I am not going to outscore Houston or G.S."
"That's just not realistic"
"No matter what team I Take I just don't realistically see that happening where I'm walking into a team that can outscore them"
"So I'm gonna have to have a DEFENSE THAT'S NUMBER ONE
I have been saying this all along. The only way the Knicks defeat G.S. is to build an elite defense that can neutralize G.S.'s offense. The fact that Fizdale recognizes this fact makes me hopeful that may be just may be he is the right coach.
Of course I have to see him live up to the statement by focusing on Frank and selecting the best defenders in the draft (Mikal Bridges Khyri Thomas, Melvin Frazier, Mo Bamba) but this is certainly good to hear
knicks1248 wrote:The #1 defense(jazz & spurs) will not beat the #1 offense that's just the era of basketball we are in right now, So that's really not the best course of action.
Don't agree with you. But what is YOUR best course of action?
martin wrote:knicks1248 wrote:The #1 defense(jazz & spurs) will not beat the #1 offense that's just the era of basketball we are in right now, So that's really not the best course of action.Don't agree with you. But what is YOUR best course of action?
+1
on a net basis, Houston is the #1 defense in the NBA. Toronto was #2. And GSW is #3. I know that Toronto just got swept but I'd argue they exceeded expectations. I think SAS and Utah exceeded expectations as well. Sign me up for defense.
SupremeCommander wrote:martin wrote:knicks1248 wrote:The #1 defense(jazz & spurs) will not beat the #1 offense that's just the era of basketball we are in right now, So that's really not the best course of action.Don't agree with you. But what is YOUR best course of action?
+1
on a net basis, Houston is the #1 defense in the NBA. Toronto was #2. And GSW is #3. I know that Toronto just got swept but I'd argue they exceeded expectations. I think SAS and Utah exceeded expectations as well. Sign me up for defense.
The Warriors are beyond a #1 offense so have to keep that in perspective. If a defensive team collected 4-5 all nba defensive players then that would be a more even comparison. Not only that but both the Spurs and Utah and Toronto made the playoffs with decent seeding. So if the Knicks eventually become a regular playoff team with decent seeding due to quality defense yr in and yr out. Wouldn't that lead to the continuity that ppl have been asking for out of the Knicks?
martin wrote:knicks1248 wrote:The #1 defense(jazz & spurs) will not beat the #1 offense that's just the era of basketball we are in right now, So that's really not the best course of action.Don't agree with you. But what is YOUR best course of action?
I think its the best way to become competitive, especially with Porzingis and Frank. We are basically one wing away from being a top 10 defensive team. However this team is still a long way away from being a legit contender
martin wrote:knicks1248 wrote:The #1 defense(jazz & spurs) will not beat the #1 offense that's just the era of basketball we are in right now, So that's really not the best course of action.Don't agree with you. But what is YOUR best course of action?
You have to be tops in the league on both ends, but more so the offense. The speed, spacing, and shooting of today's game, the whole object is to score before the other team can set up their defense. MDA's philosophy...
Kerr admitted the other day
The Warriors have won two championships in the last three years and put together one of the greatest runs in NBA history by playing small and prioritizing shooting and ball movement. It’s the evolution of a style pioneered by Rockets coach Mike D’Antoni during his mid-2000s run with the Phoenix Suns. Before the Warriors’ Game 4 against the New Orleans Pelicans on Sunday, head coach Steve Kerr reflected on D’Antoni’s influence on his team and on the modern game
Prioritizing to me says what their focus is on
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So if you collect enough talent to go with a system that puts up 115 pts then sure. But odds are you don't have that.
knicks1248 wrote:martin wrote:knicks1248 wrote:The #1 defense(jazz & spurs) will not beat the #1 offense that's just the era of basketball we are in right now, So that's really not the best course of action.Don't agree with you. But what is YOUR best course of action?
You have to be tops in the league on both ends, but more so the offense. The speed, spacing, and shooting of today's game, the whole object is to score before the other team can set up their defense. MDA's philosophy...
Kerr admitted the other day
The Warriors have won two championships in the last three years and put together one of the greatest runs in NBA history by playing small and prioritizing shooting and ball movement. It’s the evolution of a style pioneered by Rockets coach Mike D’Antoni during his mid-2000s run with the Phoenix Suns. Before the Warriors’ Game 4 against the New Orleans Pelicans on Sunday, head coach Steve Kerr reflected on D’Antoni’s influence on his team and on the modern game
Prioritizing to me says what their focus is on
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Effectiveness is the key.
Defense or offense the key is to run both effectively.
Shot selection, minimizing turnovers, less trips to FT by opponent and more by you.
GS is supper effective team. So any team with LeBron on it. So Spurs. And lately Huston.
The best coaches in NBA run the system which is more effective for the set of players their team has.
It takes time. Time to find the system, to collect the players who can be effective in it, and then perfect it to run as Switzerland clock.
It takes long time, patience, and trust from executives, owners, and fans.
Are we fans up to our part of the task?
arkrud wrote:Effectiveness is the key.
Defense or offense the key is to run both effectively.
Shot selection, minimizing turnovers, less trips to FT by opponent and more by you.
GS is supper effective team. So any team with LeBron on it. So Spurs. And lately Huston.
The best coaches in NBA run the system which is more effective for the set of players their team has.
It takes time. Time to find the system, to collect the players who can be effective in it, and then perfect it to run as Switzerland clock.
It takes long time, patience, and trust from executives, owners, and fans.
Are we fans up to our part of the task?
Absolutely! The advantage we have is our 2 cornerstones have high IQ and are decent defenders (KP and Frank - THJ is just a warm body that is probably a slight net negative). We need to fill out the rest of the roster with these types of players. ISO ball will not work anymore (despite how good Harden and Chris Paul are at it). It starts with shooting high percentages to give your defense time to get set against the opposing team. And then ends with good defense so that you can start a fast break on the other end from a miss.
knicks1248 wrote:The #1 defense(jazz & spurs) will not beat the #1 offense that's just the era of basketball we are in right now, So that's really not the best course of action.
This is nonsense. the Jazz and Spurs may have the #1 defenses but their defense is not elite.The type of defense the Knicks should be building and what Fizdale is referring to is a truly elite defense
The following clips shows exactly what elite defense looks like even in this era of basketball as you describe it.
Clip #1 Knicks vs Raptors 3rd quarter: 41 - 10 including 28 - 0 run
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNZtzTvD2OM
Clip #2 Frank vs Kyrie Irving Keep in mind this is against one of the best offensive players in the game and when Frank put that defense on him he had Kyrie stumbling around like a drunken
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDUcIC5KU6I
These 2 clips is just a sample of what a truly elite defense can do to on offense.
Imagine a collection of elite defenders on the Knicks including:
Frank
Mikal Bridges
KP
Defensive minded center from 2019 lottery (Bol Bol for example 7 ft 9 in wingspan a scenario that is quite possible since KP will miss most of the 2019 season)
Kawhi (top it off by adding Kawhi who is truly an elite defender)
I would put this collection of defenders and defense against any offense in the NBA including Golden State's and I like my chances.
“You score more points than your opponent, you will 100% of the time by playing good defense and offense”.
I made that up. But, you take that and you sound brilliant!!
arkrud wrote:knicks1248 wrote:martin wrote:knicks1248 wrote:The #1 defense(jazz & spurs) will not beat the #1 offense that's just the era of basketball we are in right now, So that's really not the best course of action.Don't agree with you. But what is YOUR best course of action?
You have to be tops in the league on both ends, but more so the offense. The speed, spacing, and shooting of today's game, the whole object is to score before the other team can set up their defense. MDA's philosophy...
Kerr admitted the other day
The Warriors have won two championships in the last three years and put together one of the greatest runs in NBA history by playing small and prioritizing shooting and ball movement. It’s the evolution of a style pioneered by Rockets coach Mike D’Antoni during his mid-2000s run with the Phoenix Suns. Before the Warriors’ Game 4 against the New Orleans Pelicans on Sunday, head coach Steve Kerr reflected on D’Antoni’s influence on his team and on the modern game
Prioritizing to me says what their focus is on
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Click here to view the TweetEffectiveness is the key.
Defense or offense the key is to run both effectively.
Shot selection, minimizing turnovers, less trips to FT by opponent and more by you.
GS is supper effective team. So any team with LeBron on it. So Spurs. And lately Huston.
The best coaches in NBA run the system which is more effective for the set of players their team has.
It takes time. Time to find the system, to collect the players who can be effective in it, and then perfect it to run as Switzerland clock.
It takes long time, patience, and trust from executives, owners, and fans.
Are we fans up to our part of the task?
It takes a long time when you have the wrong people handling things. Houston has one player they drafted clint capela, the rest are from trades, MDA has been there 3 yrs, and they are conteneders.
Not to mention fast pace MDA system is now one of the slowest, Both paul and Harden are half court players
Jmpasq wrote:martin wrote:knicks1248 wrote:The #1 defense(jazz & spurs) will not beat the #1 offense that's just the era of basketball we are in right now, So that's really not the best course of action.Don't agree with you. But what is YOUR best course of action?
I think its the best way to become competitive, especially with Porzingis and Frank. We are basically one wing away from being a top 10 defensive team. However this team is still a long way away from being a legit contender
I think drafted Mikal Bridges and having KP, Frank, and Bridges in the lineup make us a top 5 defensive team very soon. Having guys like Hardaway and Burke will help take the offensive pressure off of KP, but it will be important to add another big time scoring forward. Something like KP, Tabias Harris, Bridges, Hardaway, and Ntilikina with Burke at 6th man is something that can work in today's game. Positionless offense team and top 5 defensive team. How far a team like that goes in the playoffs ultimately depends on Bridges and Frank development.
Knixkik wrote:Jmpasq wrote:martin wrote:knicks1248 wrote:The #1 defense(jazz & spurs) will not beat the #1 offense that's just the era of basketball we are in right now, So that's really not the best course of action.Don't agree with you. But what is YOUR best course of action?
I think its the best way to become competitive, especially with Porzingis and Frank. We are basically one wing away from being a top 10 defensive team. However this team is still a long way away from being a legit contender
I think drafted Mikal Bridges and having KP, Frank, and Bridges in the lineup make us a top 5 defensive team very soon. Having guys like Hardaway and Burke will help take the offensive pressure off of KP, but it will be important to add another big time scoring forward. Something like KP, Tabias Harris, Bridges, Hardaway, and Ntilikina with Burke at 6th man is something that can work in today's game. Positionless offense team and top 5 defensive team. How far a team like that goes in the playoffs ultimately depends on Bridges and Frank development.
burke is our starting PG, that's a given
knicks1248 wrote:arkrud wrote:knicks1248 wrote:martin wrote:knicks1248 wrote:The #1 defense(jazz & spurs) will not beat the #1 offense that's just the era of basketball we are in right now, So that's really not the best course of action.Don't agree with you. But what is YOUR best course of action?
You have to be tops in the league on both ends, but more so the offense. The speed, spacing, and shooting of today's game, the whole object is to score before the other team can set up their defense. MDA's philosophy...
Kerr admitted the other day
The Warriors have won two championships in the last three years and put together one of the greatest runs in NBA history by playing small and prioritizing shooting and ball movement. It’s the evolution of a style pioneered by Rockets coach Mike D’Antoni during his mid-2000s run with the Phoenix Suns. Before the Warriors’ Game 4 against the New Orleans Pelicans on Sunday, head coach Steve Kerr reflected on D’Antoni’s influence on his team and on the modern game
Prioritizing to me says what their focus is on
Javascript is not enabled or there was problem with the URL: https://twitter.com/MarkG_Medina/status/993190298934304769
Click here to view the TweetEffectiveness is the key.
Defense or offense the key is to run both effectively.
Shot selection, minimizing turnovers, less trips to FT by opponent and more by you.
GS is supper effective team. So any team with LeBron on it. So Spurs. And lately Huston.
The best coaches in NBA run the system which is more effective for the set of players their team has.
It takes time. Time to find the system, to collect the players who can be effective in it, and then perfect it to run as Switzerland clock.
It takes long time, patience, and trust from executives, owners, and fans.
Are we fans up to our part of the task?It takes a long time when you have the wrong people handling things. Houston has one player they drafted clint capela, the rest are from trades, MDA has been there 3 yrs, and they are conteneders.
Not to mention fast pace MDA system is now one of the slowest, Both paul and Harden are half court players
Your no doubt a "coach can make a difference" kind of guy.
Your boy Mills was not here when MDA was so you can't throw him under the bus.
When MDA got here he had a nice roster and an in prime Melo.
So here this coach with a great rep from PHX failed so bad to get "into their heads" and coach them.
What do you think he failed?
Perhaps the same with Larry Brown? HOF fame with massive cred over many years.
knicks1248 wrote:Knixkik wrote:Jmpasq wrote:martin wrote:knicks1248 wrote:The #1 defense(jazz & spurs) will not beat the #1 offense that's just the era of basketball we are in right now, So that's really not the best course of action.Don't agree with you. But what is YOUR best course of action?
I think its the best way to become competitive, especially with Porzingis and Frank. We are basically one wing away from being a top 10 defensive team. However this team is still a long way away from being a legit contender
I think drafted Mikal Bridges and having KP, Frank, and Bridges in the lineup make us a top 5 defensive team very soon. Having guys like Hardaway and Burke will help take the offensive pressure off of KP, but it will be important to add another big time scoring forward. Something like KP, Tabias Harris, Bridges, Hardaway, and Ntilikina with Burke at 6th man is something that can work in today's game. Positionless offense team and top 5 defensive team. How far a team like that goes in the playoffs ultimately depends on Bridges and Frank development.
burke is our starting PG, that's a given
Next year most likely, but long-term i think Frank starts and Burke is 6th man.
Knixkik wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Knixkik wrote:Jmpasq wrote:martin wrote:knicks1248 wrote:The #1 defense(jazz & spurs) will not beat the #1 offense that's just the era of basketball we are in right now, So that's really not the best course of action.Don't agree with you. But what is YOUR best course of action?
I think its the best way to become competitive, especially with Porzingis and Frank. We are basically one wing away from being a top 10 defensive team. However this team is still a long way away from being a legit contender
I think drafted Mikal Bridges and having KP, Frank, and Bridges in the lineup make us a top 5 defensive team very soon. Having guys like Hardaway and Burke will help take the offensive pressure off of KP, but it will be important to add another big time scoring forward. Something like KP, Tabias Harris, Bridges, Hardaway, and Ntilikina with Burke at 6th man is something that can work in today's game. Positionless offense team and top 5 defensive team. How far a team like that goes in the playoffs ultimately depends on Bridges and Frank development.
burke is our starting PG, that's a given
Next year most likely, but long-term i think Frank starts and Burke is 6th man.
i doubt he starts for any long period honestly. defensive liability
Cartman718 wrote:Knixkik wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Knixkik wrote:Jmpasq wrote:martin wrote:knicks1248 wrote:The #1 defense(jazz & spurs) will not beat the #1 offense that's just the era of basketball we are in right now, So that's really not the best course of action.Don't agree with you. But what is YOUR best course of action?
I think its the best way to become competitive, especially with Porzingis and Frank. We are basically one wing away from being a top 10 defensive team. However this team is still a long way away from being a legit contender
I think drafted Mikal Bridges and having KP, Frank, and Bridges in the lineup make us a top 5 defensive team very soon. Having guys like Hardaway and Burke will help take the offensive pressure off of KP, but it will be important to add another big time scoring forward. Something like KP, Tabias Harris, Bridges, Hardaway, and Ntilikina with Burke at 6th man is something that can work in today's game. Positionless offense team and top 5 defensive team. How far a team like that goes in the playoffs ultimately depends on Bridges and Frank development.
burke is our starting PG, that's a given
Next year most likely, but long-term i think Frank starts and Burke is 6th man.
i doubt he starts for any long period honestly. defensive liability
I bet Burke, Frank, and Hardaway all start together next year. Burke is a defensive liability, but having Frank next to him helps.
Knixkik wrote:Lance at 4 and Kanter/KOQ at 5... boy that looks like another 25ish wins. I am willing to be surprised though!Cartman718 wrote:Knixkik wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Knixkik wrote:Jmpasq wrote:martin wrote:knicks1248 wrote:The #1 defense(jazz & spurs) will not beat the #1 offense that's just the era of basketball we are in right now, So that's really not the best course of action.Don't agree with you. But what is YOUR best course of action?
I think its the best way to become competitive, especially with Porzingis and Frank. We are basically one wing away from being a top 10 defensive team. However this team is still a long way away from being a legit contender
I think drafted Mikal Bridges and having KP, Frank, and Bridges in the lineup make us a top 5 defensive team very soon. Having guys like Hardaway and Burke will help take the offensive pressure off of KP, but it will be important to add another big time scoring forward. Something like KP, Tabias Harris, Bridges, Hardaway, and Ntilikina with Burke at 6th man is something that can work in today's game. Positionless offense team and top 5 defensive team. How far a team like that goes in the playoffs ultimately depends on Bridges and Frank development.
burke is our starting PG, that's a given
Next year most likely, but long-term i think Frank starts and Burke is 6th man.
i doubt he starts for any long period honestly. defensive liabilityI bet Burke, Frank, and Hardaway all start together next year. Burke is a defensive liability, but having Frank next to him helps.