Isn't Phil still under contract? Can he be asked for his input on our upcoming draft?
He chose KP while most people booed, wanting Mudiay or Stanley Johnson, and with his only other #1 pick he selected Frank, who is already one of the best defensive players in the league (at age 19).
Please come back for the draft Phil! And bring Clarence Gaines with you.
Gaines still works for the Knicks but it appears it is in a reduced capacity. Saw this regarding Gaines.
this is another measuring stick for this FO. If they just play it safe and take a skilled 2 way prospect that is as close to BPA as they can get we are fine. Lets see what happens if they try to get cute or make moves or just play it straight.
fishmike wrote:this is another measuring stick for this FO. If they just play it safe and take a skilled 2 way prospect that is as close to BPA as they can get we are fine. Lets see what happens if they try to get cute or make moves or just play it straight.
If they draft Trae Young I'll come down and visit NY after 17 years, I'll bring my baseball bat 
if we're bringing anyone back, let's have it be isiah thomas. Every time I see Trevor playing still, I think back to Larry Brown!
fishmike wrote:this is another measuring stick for this FO. If they just play it safe and take a skilled 2 way prospect that is as close to BPA as they can get we are fine. Lets see what happens if they try to get cute or make moves or just play it straight.
I have confidence in Perry- he seems like a smart guy that isn't going to overthink things. Hopefully he and Mills have a realistic view of our timeline and when we might actually be competitive which isn't this upcoming season.
Are you worried Mills/Perry will preach defense and then take the worst defensive player they can?
Are you worried they will make a very short sighted signing this off-season with winning an extra game or two in mind instead of letting the team bottom out like they should. The goal should be the worst record in the NBA next year to assure a top 5 pick.
reub wrote:Isn't Phil still under contract? Can he be asked for his input on our upcoming draft?
He chose KP while most people booed, wanting Mudiay or Stanley Johnson, and with his only other #1 pick he selected Frank, who is already one of the best defensive players in the league (at age 19).
Please come back for the draft Phil! And bring Clarence Gaines with you.
Amen.
franco12 wrote:fishmike wrote:this is another measuring stick for this FO. If they just play it safe and take a skilled 2 way prospect that is as close to BPA as they can get we are fine. Lets see what happens if they try to get cute or make moves or just play it straight.
I have confidence in Perry- he seems like a smart guy that isn't going to overthink things. Hopefully he and Mills have a realistic view of our timeline and when we might actually be competitive which isn't this upcoming season.
I have no confidence in Perry at all and definitely not Mills after going out and throwing that crazy huge contract at Timmy as soon as Phil was gone and Perry has never been a GM and made draft picks or done free agency so i'm nervous as hell hoping he gets it right.
franco12 wrote:if we're bringing anyone back, let's have it be isiah thomas. Every time I see Trevor playing still, I think back to Larry Brown!
And every time I think about all of those draft picks we didn't have I think of Thomas.
franco12 wrote:fishmike wrote:this is another measuring stick for this FO. If they just play it safe and take a skilled 2 way prospect that is as close to BPA as they can get we are fine. Lets see what happens if they try to get cute or make moves or just play it straight.
I have confidence in Perry- he seems like a smart guy that isn't going to overthink things. Hopefully he and Mills have a realistic view of our timeline and when we might actually be competitive which isn't this upcoming season.
What has Perry done to make you feel so confident? Kanter? McBuckets? Mudiay?? Ruining Willy and then giving him away?
newyorker4ever wrote:franco12 wrote:fishmike wrote:this is another measuring stick for this FO. If they just play it safe and take a skilled 2 way prospect that is as close to BPA as they can get we are fine. Lets see what happens if they try to get cute or make moves or just play it straight.
I have confidence in Perry- he seems like a smart guy that isn't going to overthink things. Hopefully he and Mills have a realistic view of our timeline and when we might actually be competitive which isn't this upcoming season.
I have no confidence in Perry at all and definitely not Mills after going out and throwing that crazy huge contract at Timmy as soon as Phil was gone and Perry has never been a GM and made draft picks or done free agency so i'm nervous as hell hoping he gets it right.
As a fan I am hoping he nails it!
As a rationale human being (or at least I like to think I am) I am in this exact boat -- just not feeling the FO; they say one thing (two way players defense etc) and do another (Kanter [who I like but...], McBuckets, Beas, Mudiay, Burke
fishmike wrote:this is another measuring stick for this FO. If they just play it safe and take a skilled 2 way prospect that is as close to BPA as they can get we are fine. Lets see what happens if they try to get cute or make moves or just play it straight.
They have claimed they won't take any shortcuts. That they will build this for the long haul. We will see if this holds true.
I believe the due diligence they put for the coaching search demonstrates that they wanted a guy they felt would coach and build the culture for the next decade. And they will look to build piece by piece.
meloshouldgo wrote:fishmike wrote:this is another measuring stick for this FO. If they just play it safe and take a skilled 2 way prospect that is as close to BPA as they can get we are fine. Lets see what happens if they try to get cute or make moves or just play it straight.
If they draft Trae Young I'll come down and visit NY after 17 years, I'll bring my baseball bat
I'm confused...you spent so long hating on Melo...why would you want a PG version of Melo? Ir is that what the bat would be for?
Jmpasq wrote:Are you worried Mills/Perry will preach defense and then take the worst defensive player they can?
Are you worried they will make a very short sighted signing this off-season with winning an extra game or two in mind instead of letting the team bottom out like they should. The goal should be the worst record in the NBA next year to assure a top 5 pick.
no thanks. Like taking 3 steps back to take one step forward.
fishmike wrote:Jmpasq wrote:Are you worried Mills/Perry will preach defense and then take the worst defensive player they can?
Are you worried they will make a very short sighted signing this off-season with winning an extra game or two in mind instead of letting the team bottom out like they should. The goal should be the worst record in the NBA next year to assure a top 5 pick.
no thanks. Like taking 3 steps back to take one step forward.
I think we're going to achieve that "feat" without even trying to get there. But that's ok because we'll be very good the next season.
Chandler wrote:newyorker4ever wrote:franco12 wrote:fishmike wrote:this is another measuring stick for this FO. If they just play it safe and take a skilled 2 way prospect that is as close to BPA as they can get we are fine. Lets see what happens if they try to get cute or make moves or just play it straight.
I have confidence in Perry- he seems like a smart guy that isn't going to overthink things. Hopefully he and Mills have a realistic view of our timeline and when we might actually be competitive which isn't this upcoming season.
I have no confidence in Perry at all and definitely not Mills after going out and throwing that crazy huge contract at Timmy as soon as Phil was gone and Perry has never been a GM and made draft picks or done free agency so i'm nervous as hell hoping he gets it right.
As a fan I am hoping he nails it!
As a rationale human being (or at least I like to think I am) I am in this exact boat -- just not feeling the FO; they say one thing (two way players defense etc) and do another (Kanter [who I like but...], McBuckets, Beas, Mudiay, Burke
Kanter, Mc D., and the 36th pick for a guy with a ntc, 15 mil trade kicker, owed 57 mil for two years was a pretty good return in my opinion. Much better than the buyout or Ryan Anderson package. Were you really expecting young, two way impact players in that deal? I thought the front office did pretty well. Burke and Williams were free agent signings on minimal contracts. Williams does fit the two way description but probably maxes out as a rotation player. Beas was a bargain and teams do need scoring. I also thought the Jack signing was smart. I think with the money available and what they moved out, that they did pretty well.
Moonangie wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:fishmike wrote:this is another measuring stick for this FO. If they just play it safe and take a skilled 2 way prospect that is as close to BPA as they can get we are fine. Lets see what happens if they try to get cute or make moves or just play it straight.
If they draft Trae Young I'll come down and visit NY after 17 years, I'll bring my baseball bat
I'm confused...you spent so long hating on Melo...why would you want a PG version of Melo? Ir is that what the bat would be for?
The bat would be swung at the head of whoever decides to draft Trae Fukking Young. (Half joking - I am not violent, but there are limits to my tolerance)
I am not high or low on Mills and Perry. In fact what they do now will determine to large extent how I feel about them. But they seem to have made very questionable free agent signings given their "focus on defense". The two things don't line up - so if they are just talking up defense to then choose the likes if Trae Young I will be pissed. But if they do choose a two way player with solid defensive instincts I will applaud them. The jury is out.
meloshouldgo wrote:I am not high or low on Mills and Perry. In fact what they do now will determine to large extent how I feel about them. But they seem to have made very questionable free agent signings given their "focus on defense". The two things don't line up - so if they are just talking up defense to then choose the likes if Trae Young I will be pissed. But if they do choose a two way player with solid defensive instincts I will applaud them. The jury is out.
I am not sure where this is coming from in regards to Scott Perry. Perry signed two vets to one year league mini deals (Jack and Bease) and two young guys to league mini deals with a team option in Burke and Williams. Three of those guys were very much a part of the Knicks team and were needed. What young players or vets were out there for that money that would have produced more? Those four signings cost the Knicks under 4 mil. Not sure what people's expectations were but I would love to see a list of 4 two way players that were available for that amount of money that Perry missed out on. Also, Williams and Burke appear to be a part of the Knick's future.
