reub wrote:Welpee wrote:TripleThreat wrote:Welpee wrote:Questions:1) Can Kanter get a long term deal at over $18M from any other team.
2) Can the Knicks convince Kanter that they need to see another year from him under a new coach before committing long term?
I wouldn't give Kanter a long term deal right now before seeing him perform under Fizdale. If they have to let him walk, as much as a like Kanter, we have to do what we have to do. I understand Kanter's (and KOQ's) position but it's just not in the best interest of the Knicks right now.
1) Given the current marketplace, No.
My best guess is his current value/approximation is 4/32 or 2/16, the second year being a team option or a player option depending on the pathway to possibly starting.
2) I don't see this issue as relevant to his situation. Kanter is outside his prime developmental window. He's "young" in real life terms, in NBA terms, he's a sunk cost.
The issue isn't Kanter's continued development, rather his fit in whatever system Fizdale runs.
Kanter is going to opt in, rain threes and increase his market value. Wait and see.
You say that likes it's far fetched or something. He's obviously been putting in plenty of practice at shooting 3's which he's been posting all the videos of and is something Fiz lets and tells his big men do, although i do think there's a chance he opts out, i still don't see him doing it and it's a contract year so he's gonna kill it next year. I really don't care either way if he opts in or out cause it's not gonna hurt us next season either way.
WaltLongmire wrote:
He's been talking about 'getting physically right' for 2 or 3 years, it's not happening.
Perry was interviews last night on MSG and said we'd have no cap space and just the MLE and BLE, he didn't even say there was the prospect of cap space, so I can only conclude Kanter is opting in and is just trying to squeeze the Knicks by holding out until the last day.
smackeddog wrote:WaltLongmire wrote:
He's been talking about 'getting physically right' for 2 or 3 years, it's not happening.
He might want to play in the summer league. He hasn't had much on court time for two years. It also would be a nice gesture to show commitment to getting back on the court.
Man, why can't we do something like this with Kanter:
It's not that I dislike Kanter (seems a nice guy), it's just we need to get more athletic at C and PF, and better defensively, and we can't afford to pay him beyond 2019.
smackeddog wrote:Man, why can't we do something like this with Kanter:It's not that I dislike Kanter (seems a nice guy), it's just we need to get more athletic at C and PF, and better defensively, and we can't afford to pay him beyond 2019.
Yep....Kanter pick the teams he prefer... and do a sign and trade with the team that wants him.
blkexec wrote:smackeddog wrote:Man, why can't we do something like this with Kanter:It's not that I dislike Kanter (seems a nice guy), it's just we need to get more athletic at C and PF, and better defensively, and we can't afford to pay him beyond 2019.
Yep....Kanter pick the teams he prefer... and do a sign and trade with the team that wants him.
what about to the bucks for Parker?
Chandler wrote:blkexec wrote:smackeddog wrote:Man, why can't we do something like this with Kanter:It's not that I dislike Kanter (seems a nice guy), it's just we need to get more athletic at C and PF, and better defensively, and we can't afford to pay him beyond 2019.
Yep....Kanter pick the teams he prefer... and do a sign and trade with the team that wants him.
what about to the bucks for Parker?
than you have no center and a log jam at sf/pf
knicks1248 wrote:Chandler wrote:blkexec wrote:smackeddog wrote:Man, why can't we do something like this with Kanter:It's not that I dislike Kanter (seems a nice guy), it's just we need to get more athletic at C and PF, and better defensively, and we can't afford to pay him beyond 2019.
Yep....Kanter pick the teams he prefer... and do a sign and trade with the team that wants him.
what about to the bucks for Parker?
than you have no center and a log jam at sf/pf
is your DNA so-biased to the negative?
what is the log jam you speak of, Knox, Lance?
and the predicate is if Kanter is inclined to leave anyway
blkexec wrote:smackeddog wrote:Man, why can't we do something like this with Kanter:It's not that I dislike Kanter (seems a nice guy), it's just we need to get more athletic at C and PF, and better defensively, and we can't afford to pay him beyond 2019.
Yep....Kanter pick the teams he prefer... and do a sign and trade with the team that wants him.
Then the Knicks would need to take back salary. Teams gonna just give us expirings?
What scenario would it be worth it for the Knicks?
Chandler wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Chandler wrote:blkexec wrote:smackeddog wrote:Man, why can't we do something like this with Kanter:It's not that I dislike Kanter (seems a nice guy), it's just we need to get more athletic at C and PF, and better defensively, and we can't afford to pay him beyond 2019.
Yep....Kanter pick the teams he prefer... and do a sign and trade with the team that wants him.
what about to the bucks for Parker?
than you have no center and a log jam at sf/pf
is your DNA so-biased to the negative?
what is the log jam you speak of, Knox, Lance?
and the predicate is if Kanter is inclined to leave anyway
lee and thj are suited more as a SF, which that would make lee, THJ, williams, knox, and lance at sf/pf not to mention beasly who is still in play and comes much cheaper.
Parker does not make the roster more balance and after two ACL injuries, your not concerned about his health?.
knicks1248 wrote:Chandler wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Chandler wrote:blkexec wrote:smackeddog wrote:Man, why can't we do something like this with Kanter:It's not that I dislike Kanter (seems a nice guy), it's just we need to get more athletic at C and PF, and better defensively, and we can't afford to pay him beyond 2019.
Yep....Kanter pick the teams he prefer... and do a sign and trade with the team that wants him.
what about to the bucks for Parker?
than you have no center and a log jam at sf/pf
is your DNA so-biased to the negative?
what is the log jam you speak of, Knox, Lance?
and the predicate is if Kanter is inclined to leave anyway
lee and thj are suited more as a SF, which that would make lee, THJ, williams, knox, and lance at sf/pf not to mention beasly who is still in play and comes much cheaper.
Parker does not make the roster more balance and after two ACL injuries, your not concerned about his health?.
In what league are Lee and Hardaway more suited to play SF?!? Lee is 6'5 200 lbs and Haradaway is 6'6 205 lbs!! In our own division, DeRozon plays the 2 and he's 6'7 220...Hayward will be back for the C's and he's a 6'8 220 SF...Robert Covington of the Sixers is 6'7 220 lbs...Get the picture.
Even Coach Fiz said that Hardaway and Lee are too small to play SF!
At this point, I think the Knicks are trying to squeeze out a 2nd rounder for Lee to a contender that needs some depth. He doesn't fit the timeline, as they say.
If Kanter opts out:
* Kanter may be passing on the single highest paying season of his career. Contracts for traditional big men are being devalued given the current playing style the NBA is moving toward. His next deal could start for as little as half of what he'd make now. It may take him 2 seasons to earn the same money.
* From the Knicks standpoint, they'd have no choice but to play (ie showcase) Noah, and opens the door for Hicks and Kornet to spend a lot of time with the Knicks, and makes a return for Beasley that much more likely.
Uptown wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Chandler wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Chandler wrote:blkexec wrote:smackeddog wrote:Man, why can't we do something like this with Kanter:It's not that I dislike Kanter (seems a nice guy), it's just we need to get more athletic at C and PF, and better defensively, and we can't afford to pay him beyond 2019.
Yep....Kanter pick the teams he prefer... and do a sign and trade with the team that wants him.
what about to the bucks for Parker?
than you have no center and a log jam at sf/pf
is your DNA so-biased to the negative?
what is the log jam you speak of, Knox, Lance?
and the predicate is if Kanter is inclined to leave anyway
lee and thj are suited more as a SF, which that would make lee, THJ, williams, knox, and lance at sf/pf not to mention beasly who is still in play and comes much cheaper.
Parker does not make the roster more balance and after two ACL injuries, your not concerned about his health?.
In what league are Lee and Hardaway more suited to play SF?!? Lee is 6'5 200 lbs and Haradaway is 6'6 205 lbs!! In our own division, DeRozon plays the 2 and he's 6'7 220...Hayward will be back for the C's and he's a 6'8 220 SF...Robert Covington of the Sixers is 6'7 220 lbs...Get the picture.
Even Coach Fiz said that Hardaway and Lee are too small to play SF!
1248 doesnt subscribe to your logic... or any logic for that matter.
knicks1248 wrote:Chandler wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Chandler wrote:blkexec wrote:smackeddog wrote:Man, why can't we do something like this with Kanter:It's not that I dislike Kanter (seems a nice guy), it's just we need to get more athletic at C and PF, and better defensively, and we can't afford to pay him beyond 2019.
Yep....Kanter pick the teams he prefer... and do a sign and trade with the team that wants him.
what about to the bucks for Parker?
than you have no center and a log jam at sf/pf
is your DNA so-biased to the negative?
what is the log jam you speak of, Knox, Lance?
and the predicate is if Kanter is inclined to leave anyway
lee and thj are suited more as a SF, which that would make lee, THJ, williams, knox, and lance at sf/pf not to mention beasly who is still in play and comes much cheaper.
Parker does not make the roster more balance and after two ACL injuries, your not concerned about his health?.
dude, you do understand why most everyone thinks you are ridiculous right? It's comments like this that really take the cake. I don't know man, this type of post doesnt really add to much here
If Kanter leaves just play Kornet.
fishmike wrote:https://dailyknicks.com/2018/06/26/new-y...
He has a smooth release and nice form on his shot...With reps, no reason to believe he can't make them in games....This shot will definitely enhance his paycheck.
Kanter can make the shot - he looks very comfortable doing it. This might enhance his value a bit, but all things considered, I think he's looking at a 48mil/4yr deal. If that's the case, he should opt in for this season and hope he doesn't suffer any major injury.
With so many young bigmen (err tall men) coming into the league this year, perhaps we'll start to see a slight shift back to teams playing bruiser ball, which may enhance his value again.
newyorker4ever wrote:reub wrote:Welpee wrote:TripleThreat wrote:Welpee wrote:Questions:1) Can Kanter get a long term deal at over $18M from any other team.
2) Can the Knicks convince Kanter that they need to see another year from him under a new coach before committing long term?
I wouldn't give Kanter a long term deal right now before seeing him perform under Fizdale. If they have to let him walk, as much as a like Kanter, we have to do what we have to do. I understand Kanter's (and KOQ's) position but it's just not in the best interest of the Knicks right now.
1) Given the current marketplace, No.
My best guess is his current value/approximation is 4/32 or 2/16, the second year being a team option or a player option depending on the pathway to possibly starting.
2) I don't see this issue as relevant to his situation. Kanter is outside his prime developmental window. He's "young" in real life terms, in NBA terms, he's a sunk cost.
The issue isn't Kanter's continued development, rather his fit in whatever system Fizdale runs.
Kanter is going to opt in, rain threes and increase his market value. Wait and see.
You say that likes it's far fetched or something. He's obviously been putting in plenty of practice at shooting 3's which he's been posting all the videos of and is something Fiz lets and tells his big men do, although i do think there's a chance he opts out, i still don't see him doing it and it's a contract year so he's gonna kill it next year. I really don't care either way if he opts in or out cause it's not gonna hurt us next season either way.
Unfortunately, it is far fetched.
Shooting with no one guarding you in an open gym, when you are well rested, and not getting beat up all game, not having to travel on back to backs, not nursing some nagging in season injury/pain, that's a different story from NBA game speed. Even shooting in some light scrimmages or non NBA games are not the same thing.
Here's the other issue. To be effective as a three point shooter, you actually also need the skill set to move without the ball. You don't need to go Joe Dumars on anyone, but you need to at least be league average in that department. Kanter is low IQ black hole with the ball in his hands. What he does now is run towards the basket, get the ball, and never give it up, and attack the cup. That's it. Out on the perimeter, he actually has to read the defense enough to help himself find good shots. He'll also have to put the ball on the floor. He'll also have to pass the ball at times because not every look ends up a clean look at the basket from long range.
Jason Kidd wasn't a super horrible transition from a horrible shooter to an OK one. He had a good handle. He could move without the ball. He could read the floor. He could make the pass when needed. He knew when to shoot and when to pass. Kanter is just gonna chuck it. He's a black hole now, he'll be a black hole forever. You stage him on the perimeter, he's gonna just get it and chuck it. He's going to make Corey Maggette look like John Stockon.
He's outside his prime developmental window. There's no long term progression to indicate a league average three point shot is coming. It doesn't just flip like a light switch. It's a multiple season progression.
