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newyorknewyork wrote:CrushAlot wrote:knicks1248 wrote:He was a huge get. Skipping the combine really hurt him but helped the Knicks. Kudos to Perry/Mills for locking him up to a team friendly deal.If there is one player who has helped their stock the most by competing in NBA summer league, it’s New York Knicks rookie Mitchell Robinson.
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This block by Mitchell Robinson is nuts. Look at the amount of ground he covers after defending the pick-and-roll.On the defensive end, he should be able to make a tremendous impact for the Knicks next season and for years to come as he continues to develop. It was clear during his time in Las Vegas that he has the necessary intangibles, which were on display whenever guarding the opposition.
Robinson averaged 4.0 blocks per game, which is the most ever recorded in summer league. He added 13.0 points and 10.2 rebounds in 24.7 minutes per game, while shooting 66.7 percent from the field. In his best performance, he totaled 14 points, 12 rebounds and 5 blocks in just 19 minutes. His 6.2 offensive rebounds per game were also the most in summer league history.
For comparison, No. 1 overall pick Deandre Ayton averaged 14.5 points, 10.5 rebounds and 1.0 block per game for the Phoenix Suns. Ayton was on the floor for an additional two minutes in each game he played as well.
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Mitchell Robinson is gonna end Summer League with pretty similar numbers as No. 1 overall pick Deandre Ayton, despite not playing basketball for a year. That's wild.
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It’s just exhibition basketball, but it was especially refreshing to see Robinson in great shape considering he did not play competitively last season after foregoing his sole collegiate season.While it’s worth applauding his defensive skill set, the big man also showed tremendous offensive efficiency. He was able to score without having the ball in his hands for most of the possession and, as reporters noted, he hardly had to dribble to get his buckets.
His athleticism has made him a tremendously exciting prospect and one worth watching whenever he steps on the court. When he’s near the basket on either end of the floor, he’s a potential human highlight.
Did the knicks catch a diamond in the ruff or what.
He did most of his damage just off his natural instincts, length and athleticism. He can be special. Not needing the ball to generate volume is huge, closing out on the 3 is huge. Add in the rebounding and rim protection. He and KP can be a real real good tandem in maybe the Sheed & Ben mold with more offensive skills. He would allow KP to stay in the paint a little more on defense while he takes out stretch 4s. Can he be our Shawn Marion *type* at PF/C?
I read that he has a 4 yr deal with the last 2 being player option. Which is a great deal for the Knicks, but my question is if he opts out after 2 seasons. We only have his early bird rights? Or can we offer him more since we drafted him? Usually it takes about 3 yrs to obtain full rights correct? Would he be a RFA which Knicks could match any offer?
4 year deal with the last 2 as TEAM option.
martin wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:CrushAlot wrote:knicks1248 wrote:He was a huge get. Skipping the combine really hurt him but helped the Knicks. Kudos to Perry/Mills for locking him up to a team friendly deal.If there is one player who has helped their stock the most by competing in NBA summer league, it’s New York Knicks rookie Mitchell Robinson.
Kevin O'Connor
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@KevinOConnorNBA
This block by Mitchell Robinson is nuts. Look at the amount of ground he covers after defending the pick-and-roll.On the defensive end, he should be able to make a tremendous impact for the Knicks next season and for years to come as he continues to develop. It was clear during his time in Las Vegas that he has the necessary intangibles, which were on display whenever guarding the opposition.
Robinson averaged 4.0 blocks per game, which is the most ever recorded in summer league. He added 13.0 points and 10.2 rebounds in 24.7 minutes per game, while shooting 66.7 percent from the field. In his best performance, he totaled 14 points, 12 rebounds and 5 blocks in just 19 minutes. His 6.2 offensive rebounds per game were also the most in summer league history.
For comparison, No. 1 overall pick Deandre Ayton averaged 14.5 points, 10.5 rebounds and 1.0 block per game for the Phoenix Suns. Ayton was on the floor for an additional two minutes in each game he played as well.
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Mitchell Robinson is gonna end Summer League with pretty similar numbers as No. 1 overall pick Deandre Ayton, despite not playing basketball for a year. That's wild.
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It’s just exhibition basketball, but it was especially refreshing to see Robinson in great shape considering he did not play competitively last season after foregoing his sole collegiate season.While it’s worth applauding his defensive skill set, the big man also showed tremendous offensive efficiency. He was able to score without having the ball in his hands for most of the possession and, as reporters noted, he hardly had to dribble to get his buckets.
His athleticism has made him a tremendously exciting prospect and one worth watching whenever he steps on the court. When he’s near the basket on either end of the floor, he’s a potential human highlight.
Did the knicks catch a diamond in the ruff or what.
He did most of his damage just off his natural instincts, length and athleticism. He can be special. Not needing the ball to generate volume is huge, closing out on the 3 is huge. Add in the rebounding and rim protection. He and KP can be a real real good tandem in maybe the Sheed & Ben mold with more offensive skills. He would allow KP to stay in the paint a little more on defense while he takes out stretch 4s. Can he be our Shawn Marion *type* at PF/C?
I read that he has a 4 yr deal with the last 2 being player option. Which is a great deal for the Knicks, but my question is if he opts out after 2 seasons. We only have his early bird rights? Or can we offer him more since we drafted him? Usually it takes about 3 yrs to obtain full rights correct? Would he be a RFA which Knicks could match any offer?
4 year deal with the last 2 as TEAM option.
Oooh that changes everything!!! He pretty much signed like he was a first round pick
martin wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:CrushAlot wrote:knicks1248 wrote:He was a huge get. Skipping the combine really hurt him but helped the Knicks. Kudos to Perry/Mills for locking him up to a team friendly deal.If there is one player who has helped their stock the most by competing in NBA summer league, it’s New York Knicks rookie Mitchell Robinson.
Kevin O'Connor
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@KevinOConnorNBA
This block by Mitchell Robinson is nuts. Look at the amount of ground he covers after defending the pick-and-roll.On the defensive end, he should be able to make a tremendous impact for the Knicks next season and for years to come as he continues to develop. It was clear during his time in Las Vegas that he has the necessary intangibles, which were on display whenever guarding the opposition.
Robinson averaged 4.0 blocks per game, which is the most ever recorded in summer league. He added 13.0 points and 10.2 rebounds in 24.7 minutes per game, while shooting 66.7 percent from the field. In his best performance, he totaled 14 points, 12 rebounds and 5 blocks in just 19 minutes. His 6.2 offensive rebounds per game were also the most in summer league history.
For comparison, No. 1 overall pick Deandre Ayton averaged 14.5 points, 10.5 rebounds and 1.0 block per game for the Phoenix Suns. Ayton was on the floor for an additional two minutes in each game he played as well.
Joseph Flynn
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@ChinaJoeFlynn
Mitchell Robinson is gonna end Summer League with pretty similar numbers as No. 1 overall pick Deandre Ayton, despite not playing basketball for a year. That's wild.
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It’s just exhibition basketball, but it was especially refreshing to see Robinson in great shape considering he did not play competitively last season after foregoing his sole collegiate season.While it’s worth applauding his defensive skill set, the big man also showed tremendous offensive efficiency. He was able to score without having the ball in his hands for most of the possession and, as reporters noted, he hardly had to dribble to get his buckets.
His athleticism has made him a tremendously exciting prospect and one worth watching whenever he steps on the court. When he’s near the basket on either end of the floor, he’s a potential human highlight.
Did the knicks catch a diamond in the ruff or what.
He did most of his damage just off his natural instincts, length and athleticism. He can be special. Not needing the ball to generate volume is huge, closing out on the 3 is huge. Add in the rebounding and rim protection. He and KP can be a real real good tandem in maybe the Sheed & Ben mold with more offensive skills. He would allow KP to stay in the paint a little more on defense while he takes out stretch 4s. Can he be our Shawn Marion *type* at PF/C?
I read that he has a 4 yr deal with the last 2 being player option. Which is a great deal for the Knicks, but my question is if he opts out after 2 seasons. We only have his early bird rights? Or can we offer him more since we drafted him? Usually it takes about 3 yrs to obtain full rights correct? Would he be a RFA which Knicks could match any offer?
4 year deal with the last 2 as TEAM option.
Thats a great deal for the knicks, but his agent deserved to be fired about like 30 seconds after he signed that deal
newyorknewyork wrote:martin wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:CrushAlot wrote:knicks1248 wrote:He was a huge get. Skipping the combine really hurt him but helped the Knicks. Kudos to Perry/Mills for locking him up to a team friendly deal.If there is one player who has helped their stock the most by competing in NBA summer league, it’s New York Knicks rookie Mitchell Robinson.
Kevin O'Connor
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@KevinOConnorNBA
This block by Mitchell Robinson is nuts. Look at the amount of ground he covers after defending the pick-and-roll.On the defensive end, he should be able to make a tremendous impact for the Knicks next season and for years to come as he continues to develop. It was clear during his time in Las Vegas that he has the necessary intangibles, which were on display whenever guarding the opposition.
Robinson averaged 4.0 blocks per game, which is the most ever recorded in summer league. He added 13.0 points and 10.2 rebounds in 24.7 minutes per game, while shooting 66.7 percent from the field. In his best performance, he totaled 14 points, 12 rebounds and 5 blocks in just 19 minutes. His 6.2 offensive rebounds per game were also the most in summer league history.
For comparison, No. 1 overall pick Deandre Ayton averaged 14.5 points, 10.5 rebounds and 1.0 block per game for the Phoenix Suns. Ayton was on the floor for an additional two minutes in each game he played as well.
Joseph Flynn
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@ChinaJoeFlynn
Mitchell Robinson is gonna end Summer League with pretty similar numbers as No. 1 overall pick Deandre Ayton, despite not playing basketball for a year. That's wild.
6:43 PM - Jul 12, 2018
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It’s just exhibition basketball, but it was especially refreshing to see Robinson in great shape considering he did not play competitively last season after foregoing his sole collegiate season.While it’s worth applauding his defensive skill set, the big man also showed tremendous offensive efficiency. He was able to score without having the ball in his hands for most of the possession and, as reporters noted, he hardly had to dribble to get his buckets.
His athleticism has made him a tremendously exciting prospect and one worth watching whenever he steps on the court. When he’s near the basket on either end of the floor, he’s a potential human highlight.
Did the knicks catch a diamond in the ruff or what.
He did most of his damage just off his natural instincts, length and athleticism. He can be special. Not needing the ball to generate volume is huge, closing out on the 3 is huge. Add in the rebounding and rim protection. He and KP can be a real real good tandem in maybe the Sheed & Ben mold with more offensive skills. He would allow KP to stay in the paint a little more on defense while he takes out stretch 4s. Can he be our Shawn Marion *type* at PF/C?
I read that he has a 4 yr deal with the last 2 being player option. Which is a great deal for the Knicks, but my question is if he opts out after 2 seasons. We only have his early bird rights? Or can we offer him more since we drafted him? Usually it takes about 3 yrs to obtain full rights correct? Would he be a RFA which Knicks could match any offer?
4 year deal with the last 2 as TEAM option.
Oooh that changes everything!!! He pretty much signed like he was a first round pick
He got a contract that was in line with #24 pick.
Worth noting:
* Lots of great big man athletes in this bunch. Robinson looks to be right up there with Ayton and Bamba.
* Robinson and Ayton registered no assists at all throughout the summer league. (Why pass if you're shooting at a 60%+ clip?) On the other hand, Bagley, Carter, and Jackson seem to have more of a nose for moving the ball.
* Bagley and JJJ both shot around 40% - they may see themselves as more of perimeter players than the others.
Robinson 24.8mpg, 13.0ppg, 10.2rpg, 0apg, 4.0bpg, 67%fg
Ayton 26.8mpg, 14.5ppg, 10.5rpg, 0apg, 1.0bpg, 60%fg
Bagley 32mpg, 15ppg, 7rpg, 2apg, 1bpg, 39%fg
Carter 28.8mpg, 14.6ppg, 9.4rpg, 1.6apg, 2.6bpg, 55%fg
Jaren Jackson Jr 24.4mpg, 11.2ppg, 8.2rpg, 1.2apg, 3.8bpg, 41%fg
Bamba 19.7mpg, 8.7ppg, 5.7rpg, 0.7apg, 2.3bpg, 60%fg
Porter 0's across the board :)
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martin wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:martin wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:CrushAlot wrote:knicks1248 wrote:He was a huge get. Skipping the combine really hurt him but helped the Knicks. Kudos to Perry/Mills for locking him up to a team friendly deal.If there is one player who has helped their stock the most by competing in NBA summer league, it’s New York Knicks rookie Mitchell Robinson.
Kevin O'Connor
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@KevinOConnorNBA
This block by Mitchell Robinson is nuts. Look at the amount of ground he covers after defending the pick-and-roll.On the defensive end, he should be able to make a tremendous impact for the Knicks next season and for years to come as he continues to develop. It was clear during his time in Las Vegas that he has the necessary intangibles, which were on display whenever guarding the opposition.
Robinson averaged 4.0 blocks per game, which is the most ever recorded in summer league. He added 13.0 points and 10.2 rebounds in 24.7 minutes per game, while shooting 66.7 percent from the field. In his best performance, he totaled 14 points, 12 rebounds and 5 blocks in just 19 minutes. His 6.2 offensive rebounds per game were also the most in summer league history.
For comparison, No. 1 overall pick Deandre Ayton averaged 14.5 points, 10.5 rebounds and 1.0 block per game for the Phoenix Suns. Ayton was on the floor for an additional two minutes in each game he played as well.
Joseph Flynn
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@ChinaJoeFlynn
Mitchell Robinson is gonna end Summer League with pretty similar numbers as No. 1 overall pick Deandre Ayton, despite not playing basketball for a year. That's wild.
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It’s just exhibition basketball, but it was especially refreshing to see Robinson in great shape considering he did not play competitively last season after foregoing his sole collegiate season.While it’s worth applauding his defensive skill set, the big man also showed tremendous offensive efficiency. He was able to score without having the ball in his hands for most of the possession and, as reporters noted, he hardly had to dribble to get his buckets.
His athleticism has made him a tremendously exciting prospect and one worth watching whenever he steps on the court. When he’s near the basket on either end of the floor, he’s a potential human highlight.
Did the knicks catch a diamond in the ruff or what.
He did most of his damage just off his natural instincts, length and athleticism. He can be special. Not needing the ball to generate volume is huge, closing out on the 3 is huge. Add in the rebounding and rim protection. He and KP can be a real real good tandem in maybe the Sheed & Ben mold with more offensive skills. He would allow KP to stay in the paint a little more on defense while he takes out stretch 4s. Can he be our Shawn Marion *type* at PF/C?
I read that he has a 4 yr deal with the last 2 being player option. Which is a great deal for the Knicks, but my question is if he opts out after 2 seasons. We only have his early bird rights? Or can we offer him more since we drafted him? Usually it takes about 3 yrs to obtain full rights correct? Would he be a RFA which Knicks could match any offer?
4 year deal with the last 2 as TEAM option.
Oooh that changes everything!!! He pretty much signed like he was a first round pick
He got a contract that was in line with #24 pick.
Knicks took care of him. For all the “stupidity” some of you posters go off on the knicks sometimes build good will. This was a move we did not have to do but we give this kid a lot of time to develop. I would project his play in the NBA to be that of a fouling machine. Who will get his ass whooped physically. A very raw rookie!!!
But the upside is there and I’m excited to see how fast he assimilates.
IM happy we committed to him!
Nalod wrote:Knicks took care of him. For all the “stupidity” some of you posters go off on the knicks sometimes build good will. This was a move we did not have to do but we give this kid a lot of time to develop.
This was not about good will. The exchange is always GUARANTEED MONEY versus COST CONTROL. The reason Ron Baker got signed to his 2nd contract for far too much is because the Knicks did not ink him to a longer term deal the season before. The reason? They didn't want to give him guaranteed money upfront.
2nd round pick are guaranteed ZERO from any NBA team. 1st round picks get TWO YEARS of their slotted salary guaranteed. However 2nd round picks, if they pan out( Chandler Parsons, Asik, Arenas, Monta Ellis, Jokic, etc, I recognize they all did not pan out LONG TERM but given the time and place, they got to the open market sooner) have a faster pathway to open market freedom.
Knicks wanted two option years on their end. To do so, they had to trade off guaranteed money above nominal for a 2nd round pick.
Without more guaranteed money on the table, no reason for Robinson to do anything but sign the shortest contract possible, hope to raise his value, then go out onto the marketplace and see if he could get something better.
This was not goodwill. It was a compromise between two sides with different leverage points.
TripleThreat wrote:Nalod wrote:Knicks took care of him. For all the “stupidity” some of you posters go off on the knicks sometimes build good will. This was a move we did not have to do but we give this kid a lot of time to develop.
This was not about good will. The exchange is always GUARANTEED MONEY versus COST CONTROL. The reason Ron Baker got signed to his 2nd contract for far too much is because the Knicks did not ink him to a longer term deal the season before. The reason? They didn't want to give him guaranteed money upfront.2nd round pick are guaranteed ZERO from any NBA team. 1st round picks get TWO YEARS of their slotted salary guaranteed. However 2nd round picks, if they pan out( Chandler Parsons, Asik, Arenas, Monta Ellis, Jokic, etc, I recognize they all did not pan out LONG TERM but given the time and place, they got to the open market sooner) have a faster pathway to open market freedom.
Knicks wanted two option years on their end. To do so, they had to trade off guaranteed money above nominal for a 2nd round pick.
Without more guaranteed money on the table, no reason for Robinson to do anything but sign the shortest contract possible, hope to raise his value, then go out onto the marketplace and see if he could get something better.
This was not goodwill. It was a compromise between two sides with different leverage points.
Knicks won that compromise. His potential is worth more than the guaranteed money he obtained. But at the same time his earnings can grow substantially with Knicks having his full bird rights. Surprised it wasn't a team then player option in the 4th yr.
Regardless he needs to be developed and molded into a core pieces and KPs running mate for the long term. If that does happen then having him locked in at basically rookie scale salary can give the Knicks the freedom to build a deeper more talented team by the time he is up for renewal.
technomaster wrote:I took a moment to look up summer league stats for the top bigs in the draft. Robinson did well - and put up very competitive stats, right there with the lottery bigs. On a per minute basis, Robinson led in rebounding, shot blocking, and fg%. If summer league is any indication of draft value, it sure looks like we got a lottery-type talent.Worth noting:
* Lots of great big man athletes in this bunch. Robinson looks to be right up there with Ayton and Bamba.
* Robinson and Ayton registered no assists at all throughout the summer league. (Why pass if you're shooting at a 60%+ clip?) On the other hand, Bagley, Carter, and Jackson seem to have more of a nose for moving the ball.
* Bagley and JJJ both shot around 40% - they may see themselves as more of perimeter players than the others.Robinson 24.8mpg, 13.0ppg, 10.2rpg, 0apg, 4.0bpg, 67%fg
Ayton 26.8mpg, 14.5ppg, 10.5rpg, 0apg, 1.0bpg, 60%fg
Bagley 32mpg, 15ppg, 7rpg, 2apg, 1bpg, 39%fg
Carter 28.8mpg, 14.6ppg, 9.4rpg, 1.6apg, 2.6bpg, 55%fg
Jaren Jackson Jr 24.4mpg, 11.2ppg, 8.2rpg, 1.2apg, 3.8bpg, 41%fg
Bamba 19.7mpg, 8.7ppg, 5.7rpg, 0.7apg, 2.3bpg, 60%fg
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Those are pretty good stats from Robinson, impressive.
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C-Robinson
PF- Porzingis
SF- Knox
SG- Butler
PG- Irving
That has a lot of potential right there.
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Wow, thanks for posting that. Now I know my eyes were not lying. I am so happy we drafted him.
It is going to be interesting the rim protection we get with Him and Porzingis.
He looks every bit a lotto pick, but he will need some time to come up to speed.