Was a great game last night. Garden was electric. First with mostly excitement about having the the champs in the house. (First time seeing KD and Curry together live). Big buzz when the starting five came out. Most were surprised. Have to say, was also taken back by the change. Specially cuz we were playing the Warriors. But boy did they come out with energy. Shots were not dropping but they were playing aggrrssive defense. Those five are Very fast and athletic. From,1 to 5.
Dotson was what I thought he can be all pre season. Super quick. Covers a lot of ground on D and not afraid on offense. Frank played with intensity on BOTH sides! Best game I have seen him play live. Kid obviously gets up for big names. (LeBron last year). Looked like the point guard some were saying he could be. Hope he can bring that type of aggressiveness on a consistent basis no matter the level of competition. Timmy was Timmy. Started slow but got it going. Guy can flat out shoot and has no conscience. Know that many on here dont like his style (would rather a guy with a good two handed chest pass) but when going up against high level guys like this "you need him on that court you want him on that court".
when he is on he is a guy that can play at a ridiculous level. Kanter was visibly surprised of the benching. But came off the bench as he had something to prove. Think Fiz"s message was heard loud and clear. Robinson gave a good effort but his age showed. Do think that he is real athletic and noves so well for his size. Think we got a steal with him and Trier. Think the challenge is niw on the Knicks to develop them. Burke also played like he received the message, came off the bench with more intensity, specially on defensive side, and looked a bit more like last year. Trier looked a bit hesitant and taken back by the competition. But he had some pretty good defenders on him and had to worry about chasing Thompson. Mario played decent. Still think he needs a bit more court vision when driving. Sometimes just puts his head down and goes. As for Lance....respect the effort and attitude but he is starting to look old. Do think he can turn it around as long as he starts hitting his threes. Very vocal on the court and always coaching. Was surprised no Baker? Another Fiz message? Biggest surprise for me was Vonleh. Just continues to impress. Kid is a physical specimen. Can see him running a 4.5 and playing middle linebacker in the NFL. Another guy that has good upside on both ends. For those questioning Perry, the athleticism on the court is top notch.
Was surprised reading the game thread this morning. People complaining of Franks benching? Some complaining about Fizs minute management. Fair enough. Understand some think winning is everything. And Of course everyone has a right to their opinion. For me it was all good last night. Dont really think a win or a loss last night meant anything. Questioning what buttons could have been pushed to beat the world champs seems to be irrelevant and disconnected from whats is truly going here. Or what the goals are and should be. Think Fiz is showing why he was picked to lead this team. He can care less about ONE win or what the fans want. He has laser focusd on developing the culture and teaching these young players. Could care less about short term success. Has his eye on only long term goals. Something all claimed is what was needed and wanted around here. If no one can see that the reason we looked so good the first three quarters is because of what he is preaching, your not paying attention. Just look at how well the new first unit played and how much more energy the players that were moved to second unit had. Look at how he finally put Frank at the PG spot, after some thought starting him at 3 was a long term move. These are all parts of a bigger plan. All messages that will pay dividends when it counts. Guy is teaching. Fiz knows what he is doing. Fans should just sit back, enjoy and keep an eye on the progression of the team. Keep those learning moments coming Fiz. Even if the cost is a few meaningless wins. Super excited to see this taking place. Saw nothing but positives last night. Great night of basketball.
Btw. Probably a seperate topic. But KD and Curry together are something to watch. KD is the best offensive player I have seen, the last couple of years, in the NBA. If dreams came true he would be a Knick next year. Curry is amazing as well. Took a video of him practicing shots from half court. He was making most! For those claiming defense is the most important thing to winning Chips or guys that can pass and not take crazy shots, you have not seen these two guys play or witnessed them in the 4th quarter of last nights game. No one could have guarded those two. And they did not exactly take good wide open shots that were the result of good ball movement.
My only issue was that the starters went back in too late. I didnt expect to win but I just felt the starters deserved to try before the game got out of hand considering how great they played. Other than that I wasnt upset. I love that Fiz knows its about the kids which is what ive wanted for years
StarksEwing1 wrote:My only issue was that the starters went back in too late. I didnt expect to win but I just felt the starters deserved to try before the game got out of hand considering how great they played. Other than that I wasnt upset. I love that Fiz knows its about the kids which is what ive wanted for years
Wondered that myself. Burke started to force a bit and GS was gaining momentum. But Again, have to trust what Fiz is trying to do with them. Think he is making Frank a major part of his focus. We have seen him do some diferent things to mold him. Hopefully this was one. May also have been a teaching moment for the unit he demoted. Think if this was the first game of the playoffs in 2020, it would be cauae for concern.
HofstraBBall wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:My only issue was that the starters went back in too late. I didnt expect to win but I just felt the starters deserved to try before the game got out of hand considering how great they played. Other than that I wasnt upset. I love that Fiz knows its about the kids which is what ive wanted for years
Wondered that myself. Burke started to force a bit and GS was gaining momentum. But Again, have to trust what Fiz is trying to do with them. Think he is making Frank a major part of his focus. We have seen him do some diferent things to mold him. Hopefully this was one. May also have been a teaching moment for the unit he demoted. Think if this was the first game of the playoffs in 2020, it would be cauae for concern.
Yes thats true. This year I care more about the development and "handing the reigns" over to the young guys. Like I mentioned I didnt expect to win either way but I would of liked to see the kids back in there when it got tied. Instead they went back in down 10 when KD was rolling. I felt they were put in a bad position after playing so damn well
Great write up. Thanks for posting it.
Thanks Hofstra. I noticed you go to a lot of games which is terrific. I used to have a friend with season tickets and went a lot. Now im just able to go to a few.
Thanks Hofstra, you back in NY for a visit?
StarksEwing1 wrote:My only issue was that the starters went back in too late. I didnt expect to win but I just felt the starters deserved to try before the game got out of hand considering how great they played. Other than that I wasnt upset. I love that Fiz knows its about the kids which is what ive wanted for years
The full starting line-up was in the game at 104-96. In the NBA, that isn't out of hand. I've seen two games the last couple of days where teams up 6 lost in the last 90 seconds.
Would the momentum/chance be improved a couple mins earlier when Robinson and I think Hardaway came back in, sure
But let's not overblow what actually happened.
Good write up.
It’s teh Golden Fucking State Warriors, three of four chips in full form vying for a threePeat!!!
Knicks did’t lose, they got schooled by 4 HOF’s!!!!
Fiz put it out there and showed the future. Stil to come KP and Knox. A Likely lottery pick AND KD if he wants in. The future is not clear but its bright!!!!
Knickoftime wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:My only issue was that the starters went back in too late. I didnt expect to win but I just felt the starters deserved to try before the game got out of hand considering how great they played. Other than that I wasnt upset. I love that Fiz knows its about the kids which is what ive wanted for years
The full starting line-up was in the game at 104-96. In the NBA, that isn't out of hand. I've seen two games the last couple of days where teams up 6 lost in the last 90 seconds.
Would the momentum/chance be improved a couple mins earlier when Robinson and I think Hardaway came back in, sure
But let's not overblow what actually happened.
It is out of hand against the defending champions after you allow them to gain momentum in a game where they were clearly struggling. And your starters are coming in cold.
Knickoftime wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:My only issue was that the starters went back in too late. I didnt expect to win but I just felt the starters deserved to try before the game got out of hand considering how great they played. Other than that I wasnt upset. I love that Fiz knows its about the kids which is what ive wanted for years
The full starting line-up was in the game at 104-96. In the NBA, that isn't out of hand. I've seen two games the last couple of days where teams up 6 lost in the last 90 seconds.
Would the momentum/chance be improved a couple mins earlier when Robinson and I think Hardaway came back in, sure
But let's not overblow what actually happened.
Not overblowing anything. I didnt expect us to win either way. All I said was that waiting until the lead evaporated and the warriors were in a great flow to put the starters in was not a good decision considering how well they played all game. I love fiz but im just being honest
meloshouldgo wrote:Knickoftime wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:My only issue was that the starters went back in too late. I didnt expect to win but I just felt the starters deserved to try before the game got out of hand considering how great they played. Other than that I wasnt upset. I love that Fiz knows its about the kids which is what ive wanted for years
The full starting line-up was in the game at 104-96. In the NBA, that isn't out of hand. I've seen two games the last couple of days where teams up 6 lost in the last 90 seconds.
Would the momentum/chance be improved a couple mins earlier when Robinson and I think Hardaway came back in, sure
But let's not overblow what actually happened.
It is out of hand against the defending champions after you allow them to gain momentum in a game where they were clearly struggling. And your starters are coming in cold.
You should watch the Warriors. They can turn it on when they need to.
meloshouldgo wrote:Knickoftime wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:My only issue was that the starters went back in too late. I didnt expect to win but I just felt the starters deserved to try before the game got out of hand considering how great they played. Other than that I wasnt upset. I love that Fiz knows its about the kids which is what ive wanted for years
The full starting line-up was in the game at 104-96. In the NBA, that isn't out of hand. I've seen two games the last couple of days where teams up 6 lost in the last 90 seconds.
Would the momentum/chance be improved a couple mins earlier when Robinson and I think Hardaway came back in, sure
But let's not overblow what actually happened.
It is out of hand against the defending champions after you allow them to gain momentum in a game where they were clearly struggling. And your starters are coming in cold.
As I say, I clearly have been following a different sport all these years than some of you. If there was tried and true methods to stop runs in the NBA, I think I would have seen some sort of evidence of it as opposed to the exact opposite on almost a nightly basis.
Brad Stevens couldn't figure it out and had to rely on an undesigned crazy turnaround jumper by a great young player and a missed free throw to bail him out. Guess he's still learning.
One of the best players ever got hot for one of the best teams ever in an arena where opposing stars going off is relatively routine against one of the worst teams in the NBA.
The idea Fizdale could have micromanaged a solution to all of those factors is ... I can't think of word that respects community guidelines.
I'm much more impressed for 42 mins the Knicks and Warriors closed the enormous chasm between their talent and experience levels than I am that the Warriors did the Warriors thing and Durant did the Durant thing in 6 minutes.
Knickoftime wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:Knickoftime wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:My only issue was that the starters went back in too late. I didnt expect to win but I just felt the starters deserved to try before the game got out of hand considering how great they played. Other than that I wasnt upset. I love that Fiz knows its about the kids which is what ive wanted for years
The full starting line-up was in the game at 104-96. In the NBA, that isn't out of hand. I've seen two games the last couple of days where teams up 6 lost in the last 90 seconds.
Would the momentum/chance be improved a couple mins earlier when Robinson and I think Hardaway came back in, sure
But let's not overblow what actually happened.
It is out of hand against the defending champions after you allow them to gain momentum in a game where they were clearly struggling. And your starters are coming in cold.
As I say, I clearly have been following a different sport all these years than some of you. If there was tried and true methods to stop runs in the NBA, I think I would have seen some sort of evidence of it as opposed to the exact opposite on almost a nightly basis.
Brad Stevens couldn't figure it out and had to rely on an undesigned crazy turnaround jumper by a great young player and a missed free throw to bail him out. Guess he's still learning.
One of the best players ever got hot for one of the best teams ever in an arena where opposing stars going off is relatively routine against one of the worst teams in the NBA.
The idea Fizdale could have micromanaged a solution to all of those factors is ... I can't think of word that respects community guidelines.
I'm much more impressed for 42 mins the Knicks and Warriors closed the enormous chasm between their talent and experience levels than I am that the Warriors did the Warriors thing and Durant did the Durant thing in 6 minutes.
Again I never said we had a chance in hell of winning. I know how good they are and can turn it on in a second. I simply said that I would of liked to see the starters out there beforehand....thats all
CrushAlot wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:Knickoftime wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:My only issue was that the starters went back in too late. I didnt expect to win but I just felt the starters deserved to try before the game got out of hand considering how great they played. Other than that I wasnt upset. I love that Fiz knows its about the kids which is what ive wanted for years
The full starting line-up was in the game at 104-96. In the NBA, that isn't out of hand. I've seen two games the last couple of days where teams up 6 lost in the last 90 seconds.
Would the momentum/chance be improved a couple mins earlier when Robinson and I think Hardaway came back in, sure
But let's not overblow what actually happened.
It is out of hand against the defending champions after you allow them to gain momentum in a game where they were clearly struggling. And your starters are coming in cold.
You should watch the Warriors. They can turn it on when they need to.
I do watch them and I agree, I have no issue with losing the game. I have an issue with a coach not rewarding his young experimental group of starters who made it a game against a team that should have routed them.
Knickoftime wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:Knickoftime wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:My only issue was that the starters went back in too late. I didnt expect to win but I just felt the starters deserved to try before the game got out of hand considering how great they played. Other than that I wasnt upset. I love that Fiz knows its about the kids which is what ive wanted for years
The full starting line-up was in the game at 104-96. In the NBA, that isn't out of hand. I've seen two games the last couple of days where teams up 6 lost in the last 90 seconds.
Would the momentum/chance be improved a couple mins earlier when Robinson and I think Hardaway came back in, sure
But let's not overblow what actually happened.
It is out of hand against the defending champions after you allow them to gain momentum in a game where they were clearly struggling. And your starters are coming in cold.
As I say, I clearly have been following a different sport all these years than some of you. If there was tried and true methods to stop runs in the NBA, I think I would have seen some sort of evidence of it as opposed to the exact opposite on almost a nightly basis.
Brad Stevens couldn't figure it out and had to rely on an undesigned crazy turnaround jumper by a great young player and a missed free throw to bail him out. Guess he's still learning.
One of the best players ever got hot for one of the best teams ever in an arena where opposing stars going off is relatively routine against one of the worst teams in the NBA.
The idea Fizdale could have micromanaged a solution to all of those factors is ... I can't think of word that respects community guidelines.
I'm much more impressed for 42 mins the Knicks and Warriors closed the enormous chasm between their talent and experience levels than I am that the Warriors did the Warriors thing and Durant did the Durant thing in 6 minutes.
You follow sports at all? You should stick to following Hillary Clinton.
StarksEwing1 wrote:Knickoftime wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:My only issue was that the starters went back in too late. I didnt expect to win but I just felt the starters deserved to try before the game got out of hand considering how great they played. Other than that I wasnt upset. I love that Fiz knows its about the kids which is what ive wanted for years
The full starting line-up was in the game at 104-96. In the NBA, that isn't out of hand. I've seen two games the last couple of days where teams up 6 lost in the last 90 seconds.
Would the momentum/chance be improved a couple mins earlier when Robinson and I think Hardaway came back in, sure
But let's not overblow what actually happened.
Not overblowing anything. I didnt expect us to win either way. All I said was that waiting until the lead evaporated and the warriors were in a great flow to put the starters in was not a good decision considering how well they played all game. I love fiz but im just being honest
Not questioning your honesty, but that's literally hindsight. You know when the lead evaporated so you know exactly when the starters should have theoretically come back in.
So exactly when should have Fiz known it was time to put the starters back in?
CrushAlot wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:Knickoftime wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:My only issue was that the starters went back in too late. I didnt expect to win but I just felt the starters deserved to try before the game got out of hand considering how great they played. Other than that I wasnt upset. I love that Fiz knows its about the kids which is what ive wanted for years
The full starting line-up was in the game at 104-96. In the NBA, that isn't out of hand. I've seen two games the last couple of days where teams up 6 lost in the last 90 seconds.
Would the momentum/chance be improved a couple mins earlier when Robinson and I think Hardaway came back in, sure
But let's not overblow what actually happened.
It is out of hand against the defending champions after you allow them to gain momentum in a game where they were clearly struggling. And your starters are coming in cold.
You should watch the Warriors. They can turn it on when they need to.
Very likely better than any NBA team ever, given the showtime Lakers didn't use the 3 pointer liek these Warriors do.
meloshouldgo wrote:Knickoftime wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:Knickoftime wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:My only issue was that the starters went back in too late. I didnt expect to win but I just felt the starters deserved to try before the game got out of hand considering how great they played. Other than that I wasnt upset. I love that Fiz knows its about the kids which is what ive wanted for years
The full starting line-up was in the game at 104-96. In the NBA, that isn't out of hand. I've seen two games the last couple of days where teams up 6 lost in the last 90 seconds.
Would the momentum/chance be improved a couple mins earlier when Robinson and I think Hardaway came back in, sure
But let's not overblow what actually happened.
It is out of hand against the defending champions after you allow them to gain momentum in a game where they were clearly struggling. And your starters are coming in cold.
As I say, I clearly have been following a different sport all these years than some of you. If there was tried and true methods to stop runs in the NBA, I think I would have seen some sort of evidence of it as opposed to the exact opposite on almost a nightly basis.
Brad Stevens couldn't figure it out and had to rely on an undesigned crazy turnaround jumper by a great young player and a missed free throw to bail him out. Guess he's still learning.
One of the best players ever got hot for one of the best teams ever in an arena where opposing stars going off is relatively routine against one of the worst teams in the NBA.
The idea Fizdale could have micromanaged a solution to all of those factors is ... I can't think of word that respects community guidelines.
I'm much more impressed for 42 mins the Knicks and Warriors closed the enormous chasm between their talent and experience levels than I am that the Warriors did the Warriors thing and Durant did the Durant thing in 6 minutes.
You follow sports at all?
That's a reliable rebuttal on sports forums.
Well played.
Knickoftime wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:Knickoftime wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:Knickoftime wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:My only issue was that the starters went back in too late. I didnt expect to win but I just felt the starters deserved to try before the game got out of hand considering how great they played. Other than that I wasnt upset. I love that Fiz knows its about the kids which is what ive wanted for years
The full starting line-up was in the game at 104-96. In the NBA, that isn't out of hand. I've seen two games the last couple of days where teams up 6 lost in the last 90 seconds.
Would the momentum/chance be improved a couple mins earlier when Robinson and I think Hardaway came back in, sure
But let's not overblow what actually happened.
It is out of hand against the defending champions after you allow them to gain momentum in a game where they were clearly struggling. And your starters are coming in cold.
As I say, I clearly have been following a different sport all these years than some of you. If there was tried and true methods to stop runs in the NBA, I think I would have seen some sort of evidence of it as opposed to the exact opposite on almost a nightly basis.
Brad Stevens couldn't figure it out and had to rely on an undesigned crazy turnaround jumper by a great young player and a missed free throw to bail him out. Guess he's still learning.
One of the best players ever got hot for one of the best teams ever in an arena where opposing stars going off is relatively routine against one of the worst teams in the NBA.
The idea Fizdale could have micromanaged a solution to all of those factors is ... I can't think of word that respects community guidelines.
I'm much more impressed for 42 mins the Knicks and Warriors closed the enormous chasm between their talent and experience levels than I am that the Warriors did the Warriors thing and Durant did the Durant thing in 6 minutes.
You follow sports at all?
That's a reliable rebuttal on sports forums.
Well played.
your post didn't need rebuttal - heck I don't even know what it means.
