Perry, Mills had this to say when they traded Carmelo...
"This is a deal we feel works for both this franchise and Carmelo. We thank him for his seven seasons in a Knicks uniform and all that he accomplished off the court for the City of New York by using his platform to address social issues"
If you remember, last year's summer they touted Carmelo as a great player and perennial All-Star etc etc
On Sept 25, 2017 when they traded him, that trade got us...
Kanter, McDermott, and a 2nd round pick.
Then they realized over the course of the season that McBuckets was going to cost them in FA, so they traded him and a 2nd round pick for Mudiay and a 2nd round pick.
McBuckets signed for 3 yrs and $20 million w/ Pacers.
The Carmelo 2nd round pick became Mitch Robinson
So essentially we flipped Carmelo for...
Kanter...a double double machine with the same abysmal defense, 8 yrs younger and 9 mill less per year on contract.
Mudiay...looking like a stud PG finally under Fiz tutelage and Craig Robinson player development
Mitch...future twin tower lineup next to KP. Critics agree its a steal.
Even if we forget about the Trier signing as an NBA ready player...
Reporters claiming today that Carmelo has seen his last NBA game.
So essentially in 1 year 2 months, we've gone from a 33 yr old has-been to a 26 yr old center, a 22 yr old possibly future PG of the Knicks and a 20 yr old future center of the Knicks.
Now is that a FO masterpiece or what?
Shockingly good. We actually got Melo's best years out of him, then traded him for a package that looks just as good today than what we traded for him 7 years ago, from what it seems. Mostly it all depends on Robinson's development, but it has been a strong return either way.
Refreshing that we were on the other side of this one. Usually we are trading picks and assets for a washed up big name.
Knixkik wrote:Shockingly good. We actually got Melo's best years out of him, then traded him for a package that looks just as good today than what we traded for him 7 years ago, from what it seems. Mostly it all depends on Robinson's development, but it has been a strong return either way.
This. It looks like the Knicks got two eventual starters that are 20 and 22.
Let see what Kanter will get us in the trade or after his contract expired and we sign some FA...
But in general it prove once again - you do the right thing and you will never regret it at worst.
A little luck and you can get rewarded.
I wish we would have kept Mcderm's energy and hustle something Mario doesn't have
People wanted to trade Melo for Ryan Anderson. Seeing him go is even more obviously addition by subtraction now. Kanter isn't likely here for the long haul but in the short term has easily matched Carmelo's production. In Mud and Mitch you have two interesting players currently showing growth and potential. Gotta like it.
Kemet wrote:I wish we would have kept Mcderm's energy and hustle something Mario doesn't have
mcderm became mudiay. hezonja is a FA signing
Phil knew what he was doing.........
arkrud wrote:Let see what Kanter will get us in the trade or after his contract expired and we sign some FA...
But in general it prove once again - you do the right thing and you will never regret it at worst.
A little luck and you can get rewarded.
I hope we keep Kanter. That big turk has grown on me.
NYKBocker wrote:arkrud wrote:Let see what Kanter will get us in the trade or after his contract expired and we sign some FA...
But in general it prove once again - you do the right thing and you will never regret it at worst.
A little luck and you can get rewarded.
I hope we keep Kanter. That big turk has grown on me.
I understand. I like him also. The unknown is a step of faith into what can be seen vs. what is.
Why its not easy to say "I think knicks will be able to upgrade from hear with....."
The future is Mitch and KP. The rest will sort itself out. Ode to Enes!!! Good teammate!!
Nalod wrote:NYKBocker wrote:arkrud wrote:Let see what Kanter will get us in the trade or after his contract expired and we sign some FA...
But in general it prove once again - you do the right thing and you will never regret it at worst.
A little luck and you can get rewarded.
I hope we keep Kanter. That big turk has grown on me.
I understand. I like him also. The unknown is a step of faith into what can be seen vs. what is.
Why its not easy to say "I think knicks will be able to upgrade from hear with....."
The future is Mitch and KP. The rest will sort itself out. Ode to Enes!!! Good teammate!!
I'm not so sure I want to take a FA run this summer at any big FA. You need quality players like Enes, Burke, Mudiay to go with your stars.
I'd like to think Knox & KP are our potential stars, add one more in the draft this year, and then you keep everyone else- and let them develop together - Burke, Mudia, Frank, Mitch.
Now, I'm not saying you keep Enes at $20m per, but there has to be a middle ground #$ for 4 years that allows us to grow this squad.
Of course, when KD is on the market and ready to meet with the Knicks, I'll be one of the first to say jettison everyone to get a player like him!
Was anyone saying they didn't? Perry did a great job picking up Phils fumble.
One more time:
Luck is when opportunity collides with preparation. In the case of the trade you get smaller pieces that created opportunities. We as fan prefer absolutes. Players with history.
HofstraBBall wrote:Was anyone saying they didn't? Perry did a great job picking up Phils fumble.
It wasn’t a fumble it was “the holy roller”. Phil knew that the only way to get Melo to shuffle his feet with the no trade clause was to make it a big deal. Melo had a lot of people fooled including Phil. Hence the no trade.
Vmart wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:Was anyone saying they didn't? Perry did a great job picking up Phils fumble.
It wasn’t a fumble it was “the holy roller”. Phil knew that the only way to get Melo to shuffle his feet with the no trade clause was to make it a big deal. Melo had a lot of people fooled including Phil. Hence the no trade.
Bullshit. Phil did squat. Probably never even spoke to him except through the media. Perry came in and acted like a true GM and worked things out so that both parties can move on. And did so pretty quickly and efficiently. And as the thread states, did it with great return. Dolan did one thing right and fired the fool. That way Perry was able to stop a useless trade, reset and complete the trade that took place?
And Melo fooled people for 16 years. So well that he is guaranteed to be in the Hall of Fame.
Agree he should have not ever received a NTC at that stage in his career. But Phil was also the genius who thought Noah and Rose were the ones needed to surround him with.
Vmart wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:Was anyone saying they didn't? Perry did a great job picking up Phils fumble.
It wasn’t a fumble it was “the holy roller”. Phil knew that the only way to get Melo to shuffle his feet with the no trade clause was to make it a big deal. Melo had a lot of people fooled including Phil. Hence the no trade.
If Phil stayed Melo stayed. No waiving the huge trade kicker. No waiving the Ntc. Melo opts in this year and the Knicks have to buy him out. Phil f@cked up the Melo situation every way possible. Time to move on and enjoy a real gm and a management coaching staff that works together.
HofstraBBall wrote:Vmart wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:Was anyone saying they didn't? Perry did a great job picking up Phils fumble.
It wasn’t a fumble it was “the holy roller”. Phil knew that the only way to get Melo to shuffle his feet with the no trade clause was to make it a big deal. Melo had a lot of people fooled including Phil. Hence the no trade.
Bullshit. Phil did squat. Probably never even spoke to him except through the media. Perry came in and acted like a true GM and worked things out so that both parties can move on. And did so pretty quickly and efficiently. And as the thread states, did it with great return. Dolan did one thing right and fired the fool. That way Perry was able to stop a useless trade, reset and complete the trade that took place?
And Melo fooled people for 16 years. So well that he is guaranteed to be in the Hall of Fame.
Agree he should have not ever received a NTC at that stage in his career. But Phil was also the genius who thought Noah and Rose were the ones needed to surround him with.
Difference between having a real GM and an overpaid retired HOF coach. And Phil was also the genius shopping our unicorn because of a hard on over a missed exit meeting.
Yeah, and I sure hate the fooling Melo did the first three years of his tenure here. I love spending seasons doing the Phil-ly special; tank threads, watching the draft listings, wondering what unknown phenoms we're missing from the Euro leagues now that BRIGGS has been relegated to winning the Gamepicker...
jrodmc wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:Vmart wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:Was anyone saying they didn't? Perry did a great job picking up Phils fumble.
It wasn’t a fumble it was “the holy roller”. Phil knew that the only way to get Melo to shuffle his feet with the no trade clause was to make it a big deal. Melo had a lot of people fooled including Phil. Hence the no trade.
Bullshit. Phil did squat. Probably never even spoke to him except through the media. Perry came in and acted like a true GM and worked things out so that both parties can move on. And did so pretty quickly and efficiently. And as the thread states, did it with great return. Dolan did one thing right and fired the fool. That way Perry was able to stop a useless trade, reset and complete the trade that took place?
And Melo fooled people for 16 years. So well that he is guaranteed to be in the Hall of Fame.
Agree he should have not ever received a NTC at that stage in his career. But Phil was also the genius who thought Noah and Rose were the ones needed to surround him with.
Difference between having a real GM and an overpaid retired HOF coach. And Phil was also the genius shopping our unicorn because of a hard on over a missed exit meeting.Yeah, and I sure hate the fooling Melo did the first three years of his tenure here. I love spending seasons doing the Phil-ly special; tank threads, watching the draft listings, wondering what unknown phenoms we're missing from the Euro leagues now that BRIGGS has been relegated to winning the Gamepicker...
KP maybe learned from Melo there on "standing up to mgmt" on the missed exit meeting. That plus the fact that Phil was butchering his role with the "we know what we're doing". Hope there are no more missed exit meetings from any players...NOW what would be the reason to?
Coach has the players' backs.
FO has Coach's back.
