Uhhh, I think he was your rookie last year
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lol
its not even a debate anymore,
he sucks
knicks1248 wrote:sidsanders wrote:<1248 bat signal>
lol
its not even a debate anymore, he sucks
a debate? ...I thought this was Nalod's "Trade Frank For Free" thread...
I am with you Nalod. There are quite a few examples of players sticking in the NBA simply on defense alone. Since I only follow the Knicks I'll go with Jared "Fishlips " Jeffries. Frank is a better defender already and a better offensive player. That quote of being 2 years away from being 2 years away might prove to be prophetic. Perhaps our cap will be in terrible shape by then and we could only sign Frank to a small contract only to see him finally blossom in year 5. Thus rounding off the roster on a super team friendly deal. Other teams have enquired about him so it looks like other GMs have similar ideas about him
No debate, just an article that no doubt some reporter asked Fiz about Frank as he has not had a good string of games.
What is there to debate? The team is not playing well. Frank is part of that group.
Fiz spoke. We read. No tea leave prognostications. The game is played and speaks for itself.
Jrod, All knicks drafted are "my" rookies. I root for them. All of them. Emotional rants are welcome. Just not respected.
Frank is gonna be Michael Cooper one day if he can ever find some confidence and drive. That's all I can give him.
EnySpree wrote:Frank is gonna be Michael Cooper one day if he can ever find some confidence and drive. That's all I can give him.
Eny, I really don't know what this kid is going to be quite "frankly"......
I saw the team live in charlotte last week and was surprised in person how slight Frank is. Knox too.
Since Drafted frank has grown at least another inch and really he looks tall next to others. Both of them have good frames and should fill out. Frank physically looks younger than Knox. what does that mean? When frank is hitting shots and driving he is smooth and calculated. To me, and just observation is he lacks the strength. Pin head fans who rather be "right" than anyting else are lazy and just figure it will never happen.
We have gone from drafting ready made guys like Jordan Hill, Channing Fry and shump who really did not have much upside to now drafting "kids". Frank and Knox have game. Mitch Robinson is also way under developed but you see glimpses into what they can be. They are young and physically under developed. I applaud the knicks approach. We have three guys that are really young.
Looking at KP, he is very wide at the hips and shoulders and if his slight anemic condition is not a problem he too will be a big problem for the league to contend with.
This season we are trending down and should have another young blue chip talent to draft.
Teams don't hit a high percentage of draft picks so it might be Frank is a bust and we move on. Happens to other teams. That is no reason to stop drafting and building thru the draft. At the same time lady luck appears and you get Mitch and Trier. They are not just players for the future but also trade assets to complete a team. This is why adding Durant is not a crazy idea and think that in his tenure (not year one) this team really can blossom into something special. Free agents, Draft core, Trades........All three.
I can't see the future, but it don't mean there is not one.
Nalod wrote:No debate, just an article that no doubt some reporter asked Fiz about Frank as he has not had a good string of games.
What is there to debate? The team is not playing well. Frank is part of that group.
Fiz spoke. We read. No tea leave prognostications. The game is played and speaks for itself.
Jrod, All knicks drafted are "my" rookies. I root for them. All of them. Emotional rants are welcome. Just not respected.
Great Post. As knick fans we should root for our kids to succeed. Now that doesnt mean they all will. In regards to Frank its possible it doesnt work out here, not the first or last time that will happen to a lottery pick. I just dont see the point in giving up on a kid who has only been here a little over a year. We all knew from day 1 he was raw offensively. He has shown some good flashes but hasnt been able to keep it going for a long period yet. Doesnt mean he wont.
I really don't understand people being tough on Frank -- he is a kid -- once his body fills out he will penetrate with force and be a major matchup advantage.
His shot will improve with years of experience -- he is a great team oriented player with intangibles at a very early age.
On a losing team a Franks intangibles don’t mean much....but put Frank on the Spurs or GS...you have a player that will look and play different in that environment
Frank needed to be in a system where he would be asked to bring the ball up, look for the first option scorer (Porzingis) or hot hand and then move off the ball to a spot up position. He would at times be a point guard, shooting guard and small forward. Not really a pure any particular position. Meanwhile be a defensive leader by stopping the ball and being aggressive on that end.
Fiz is trying to make him into a traditional point guard or aggressive scorer and attacker, which wasn't his game. It may work, as Frank has the physical tools to be able to overpower and scorer over smaller people inside the paint and in the midrange. I just don't know if that's who he is.
I think when Phil drafted him, he saw him as a swiss army knife type, who could play a Derek Fisher role right away. The Knicks then changed regimes, and coaching has changed a few times as well. Frank hasn't been allowed to play the way I thought we brought him in to play. With all the point guard and guard competition on the team, and most of these guys like Mudiay/Burke/Trier are all like Frank in regards to try and prove they can make it in the league, it's even tougher for a young player like Frank to develop because he's got players better at the skills Fiz values who are trying to make it in the league as well.
If the Knicks really were serious on developing Frank, they would do what they did with Porzingis, or what they are with Knox. You wouldn't have other young players trying to beat him out for playing time, and you would surround them with a veteran/veterans who can help the young player develop.
Nalod wrote:No debate, just an article that no doubt some reporter asked Fiz about Frank as he has not had a good string of games.
What is there to debate? The team is not playing well. Frank is part of that group.
Fiz spoke. We read. No tea leave prognostications. The game is played and speaks for itself.
Jrod, All knicks drafted are "my" rookies. I root for them. All of them. Emotional rants are welcome. Just not respected.
Nalod, no emotional ranting intended.
Just pointing out that somewhere in the midst of your emotional attachment statement, you lost sight of the fact Frankie's not a rookie anymore....
For the record, I have no tampon-ing to do with Frank. I'm still pulling for him to be at least the defensive half of Clyde someday, maybe off the bench.
jrodmc wrote:Nalod wrote:No debate, just an article that no doubt some reporter asked Fiz about Frank as he has not had a good string of games.
What is there to debate? The team is not playing well. Frank is part of that group.
Fiz spoke. We read. No tea leave prognostications. The game is played and speaks for itself.
Jrod, All knicks drafted are "my" rookies. I root for them. All of them. Emotional rants are welcome. Just not respected.
Nalod, no emotional ranting intended.
Just pointing out that somewhere in the midst of your emotional attachment statement, you lost sight of the fact Frankie's not a rookie anymore.... For the record, I have no tampon-ing to do with Frank. I'm still pulling for him to be at least the defensive half of Clyde someday, maybe off the bench.
I stand by what I said despite your anal retentive "gotchas", "All knicks drafted are MY rookies". I root for whom we draft more than guys we bring in via trade or free agents. Frank is not a rookie. He is 20 and Im in with the long view of potential. Call it what you want.
Maybe when he starts shaving I'll be more objective.
I said in another thread...he has until next season trading deadline to show progress. FO is not going to be that patient with him unless we score bigtime in free agency AND the draft. If both of those things happen, pressure's off.
Cartman718 wrote:I said in another thread...he has until next season trading deadline to show progress. FO is not going to be that patient with him unless we score bigtime in free agency AND the draft. If both of those things happen, pressure's off.
I don’t know why the trade deadline would be a sort of deadline but I agreee what ever is blocking him he has to break thru. The game is there. It’s either a strength issue or confidence or likely a combination of both.
I’m impressed with the numbers Mudiay is putting up but the the games are getting worse. We have injuries.
No pick and roll game with Kanter and the ball movement is not good.
Dark days.
Nalod wrote:Cartman718 wrote:I said in another thread...he has until next season trading deadline to show progress. FO is not going to be that patient with him unless we score bigtime in free agency AND the draft. If both of those things happen, pressure's off.
I don't know why the trade deadline would be a sort of deadline but I agreee what ever is blocking him he has to break thru. The game is there. It's either a strength issue or confidence or likely a combination of both.
I'm impressed with the numbers Mudiay is putting up but the the games are getting worse. We have injuries.
No pick and roll game with Kanter and the ball movement is not good.
Dark days.
Mudiay and Knox have been the bright spots recently. The team really misses Mitch and Zo. Kanter and Kornet are not cutting it on defense and there is no scoring with the second unit. Sitting Trey to free Frank hasn't helped either.
CrushAlot wrote:Nalod wrote:Cartman718 wrote:I said in another thread...he has until next season trading deadline to show progress. FO is not going to be that patient with him unless we score bigtime in free agency AND the draft. If both of those things happen, pressure's off.
I don't know why the trade deadline would be a sort of deadline but I agreee what ever is blocking him he has to break thru. The game is there. It's either a strength issue or confidence or likely a combination of both.
I'm impressed with the numbers Mudiay is putting up but the the games are getting worse. We have injuries.
No pick and roll game with Kanter and the ball movement is not good.
Dark days.
Mudiay and Knox have been the bright spots recently. The team really misses Mitch and Zo. Kanter and Kornet are not cutting it on defense and there is no scoring with the second unit. Sitting Trey to free Frank hasn't helped either.
Im hopeful when KP returns it will help him because I think they would make a good tandem. I know KP has said good things about it so hopefully evetything works out
