Knicks · Frank's shelf life runs out earlier than expected (page 1)

EnySpree @ 1/26/2019 8:33 AM

https://hoopshype.com/player/frank-ntili...

newyorknewyork @ 1/26/2019 2:20 PM
EnySpree wrote:

https://hoopshype.com/player/frank-ntili...

Vonleh was viewed similarly. Was given up on by 2 teams prior to signing with the Knicks. Now he is one of our favorite players. The ability to contribute without being featured is critical for winning teams. Frank has that potential about him. Sure he hasn't produced towards our liking so far, but I would absolutely hate to see a Vonleh situation unfold. Hornets would absolutely love to have Vonleh in their lineup right now.

Frank also regardless of his struggles has put in work this season. He stays late after every practice. He puts in work during pre game warmups. He works his ass off on his game.

Has to be only a matter of time before that type of work starts to pay dividends, right?

That said I would't be upset if we landed Ja Morant this coming draft if we aren't able to net Zion.

StarksEwing1 @ 1/26/2019 2:43 PM
newyorknewyork wrote:
EnySpree wrote:

https://hoopshype.com/player/frank-ntili...

Vonleh was viewed similarly. Was given up on by 2 teams prior to signing with the Knicks. Now he is one of our favorite players. The ability to contribute without being featured is critical for winning teams. Frank has that potential about him. Sure he hasn't produced towards our liking so far, but I would absolutely hate to see a Vonleh situation unfold. Hornets would absolutely love to have Vonleh in their lineup right now.

Frank also regardless of his struggles has put in work this season. He stays late after every practice. He puts in work during pre game warmups. He works his ass off on his game.

Has to be only a matter of time before that type of work starts to pay dividends, right?

That said I would't be upset if we landed Ja Morant this coming draft if we aren't able to net Zion.

Yeah you hit the nail on the head
Nalod @ 1/26/2019 3:11 PM
Never know. Ja might need two-3 years too!
We have still time. Seems Knicks are being patient with the kid. That can always end at the drip of a dime.
Fans can panic all they want. It’s when knicks panicked and did stupid shit to attempt a fix.
Rainman “Poor pitifully woes is me everything sucks” and subequent “Someone must be accountable” act tells me we on the right track.
Somehow some fans feel someone must pay for the pain we feel. Past coaches, GM’s and Presidents all followed Dolans orders and paid. My faith is blind. No basis for it. Just seems logical. Changes will happen.
nyknickzingis @ 1/26/2019 7:22 PM
I don’t know I thought he did a really good job on Russell and then he went out and dished quite a few assists.

Think he should be playing with Porzingis, Knox and hopefully a all star caliber free agent addition next season and then be evaluated if the défense and playmaking is enough or not.

StarksEwing1 @ 1/26/2019 7:26 PM
nyknickzingis wrote:I don’t know I thought he did a really good job on Russell and then he went out and dished quite a few assists.

Think he should be playing with Porzingis, Knox and hopefully a all star caliber free agent addition next season and then be evaluated if the défense and playmaking is enough or not.

True. The foul trouble was his biggest issue. The offense may take another year or so which is fine considering his age
CrushAlot @ 1/26/2019 8:39 PM
nyknickzingis wrote:I don’t know I thought he did a really good job on Russell and then he went out and dished quite a few assists.

Think he should be playing with Porzingis, Knox and hopefully a all star caliber free agent addition next season and then be evaluated if the défense and playmaking is enough or not.


Yeah. I enjoy watching him. He is aggressive on defense and has made some strides on offense(doesn’t seem as timid).seem
meloshouldgo @ 1/26/2019 10:44 PM
newyorknewyork wrote:
EnySpree wrote:

https://hoopshype.com/player/frank-ntili...

Vonleh was viewed similarly. Was given up on by 2 teams prior to signing with the Knicks. Now he is one of our favorite players. The ability to contribute without being featured is critical for winning teams. Frank has that potential about him. Sure he hasn't produced towards our liking so far, but I would absolutely hate to see a Vonleh situation unfold. Hornets would absolutely love to have Vonleh in their lineup right now.

Frank also regardless of his struggles has put in work this season. He stays late after every practice. He puts in work during pre game warmups. He works his ass off on his game.

Has to be only a matter of time before that type of work starts to pay dividends, right?

That said I would't be upset if we landed Ja Morant this coming draft if we aren't able to net Zion.

You had me till Ja Morant. Not impressed by this kid, maybe I missed where he plays any defense (haven't seem a lot of him)

newyorknewyork @ 1/27/2019 2:51 PM
meloshouldgo wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
EnySpree wrote:

https://hoopshype.com/player/frank-ntili...

Vonleh was viewed similarly. Was given up on by 2 teams prior to signing with the Knicks. Now he is one of our favorite players. The ability to contribute without being featured is critical for winning teams. Frank has that potential about him. Sure he hasn't produced towards our liking so far, but I would absolutely hate to see a Vonleh situation unfold. Hornets would absolutely love to have Vonleh in their lineup right now.

Frank also regardless of his struggles has put in work this season. He stays late after every practice. He puts in work during pre game warmups. He works his ass off on his game.

Has to be only a matter of time before that type of work starts to pay dividends, right?

That said I would't be upset if we landed Ja Morant this coming draft if we aren't able to net Zion.

You had me till Ja Morant. Not impressed by this kid, maybe I missed where he plays any defense (haven't seem a lot of him)

He is the age of a freshman but already playing in his sophomore season. He measures at 6'3 with a decent wingspan though forget exact measurements. So given his age and size physically he measures out.

He holds a 62% TS and rates at a 93.1 defensive rating which are both elite #s. His 6 rebounds per game is also very impressive. He has a .312 WS 48 and a 2.0 Defensive Box Plus Minus. And again he is only 19 yrs old who will have 2 years of college ball under his belt.

He has measurements and physical gifts to be a quality defender. And he produces at an elite level. As a prospect you can't really ask for much more. 55.6 ast% on 32% usage rate. 8.2 Fts per game.

Taking a shot on a kid with all this going for him would be a sound decision. He is almost everything that you are looking for in a prospect.

arkrud @ 1/27/2019 4:06 PM
newyorknewyork wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
EnySpree wrote:

https://hoopshype.com/player/frank-ntili...

Vonleh was viewed similarly. Was given up on by 2 teams prior to signing with the Knicks. Now he is one of our favorite players. The ability to contribute without being featured is critical for winning teams. Frank has that potential about him. Sure he hasn't produced towards our liking so far, but I would absolutely hate to see a Vonleh situation unfold. Hornets would absolutely love to have Vonleh in their lineup right now.

Frank also regardless of his struggles has put in work this season. He stays late after every practice. He puts in work during pre game warmups. He works his ass off on his game.

Has to be only a matter of time before that type of work starts to pay dividends, right?

That said I would't be upset if we landed Ja Morant this coming draft if we aren't able to net Zion.

You had me till Ja Morant. Not impressed by this kid, maybe I missed where he plays any defense (haven't seem a lot of him)

He is the age of a freshman but already playing in his sophomore season. He measures at 6'3 with a decent wingspan though forget exact measurements. So given his age and size physically he measures out.

He holds a 62% TS and rates at a 93.1 defensive rating which are both elite #s. His 6 rebounds per game is also very impressive. He has a .312 WS 48 and a 2.0 Defensive Box Plus Minus. And again he is only 19 yrs old who will have 2 years of college ball under his belt.

He has measurements and physical gifts to be a quality defender. And he produces at an elite level. As a prospect you can't really ask for much more. 55.6 ast% on 32% usage rate. 8.2 Fts per game.

Taking a shot on a kid with all this going for him would be a sound decision. He is almost everything that you are looking for in a prospect.

If we will pick 3rd and he will be available there is no question.
This draft is extremely top loaded. In fact there are only 3 sure thing players in my opinion.
Ja is very interesting project.
The issue I see with him is small frame. So he will never be big enough to guard big strong PGs who are dominating the NBA.
He will need to be pared with Frank-type all-around defender with no desire to score much.
Also Morant shooting is very bad for now for what PG project should have.
This types of PGs are few in todays NBA. So hi is a huge risk comparing to Zion and Barret.
But still if you are to pick and this 2 gone you just do it.

EnySpree @ 1/28/2019 2:35 AM
meloshouldgo wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
EnySpree wrote:

https://hoopshype.com/player/frank-ntili...

Vonleh was viewed similarly. Was given up on by 2 teams prior to signing with the Knicks. Now he is one of our favorite players. The ability to contribute without being featured is critical for winning teams. Frank has that potential about him. Sure he hasn't produced towards our liking so far, but I would absolutely hate to see a Vonleh situation unfold. Hornets would absolutely love to have Vonleh in their lineup right now.

Frank also regardless of his struggles has put in work this season. He stays late after every practice. He puts in work during pre game warmups. He works his ass off on his game.

Has to be only a matter of time before that type of work starts to pay dividends, right?

That said I would't be upset if we landed Ja Morant this coming draft if we aren't able to net Zion.

You had me till Ja Morant. Not impressed by this kid, maybe I missed where he plays any defense (haven't seem a lot of him)

All you need to see in one clip... check out the two handed block in this clip. Kid is special

HofstraBBall @ 1/28/2019 9:05 AM
meloshouldgo wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
EnySpree wrote:

https://hoopshype.com/player/frank-ntili...

Vonleh was viewed similarly. Was given up on by 2 teams prior to signing with the Knicks. Now he is one of our favorite players. The ability to contribute without being featured is critical for winning teams. Frank has that potential about him. Sure he hasn't produced towards our liking so far, but I would absolutely hate to see a Vonleh situation unfold. Hornets would absolutely love to have Vonleh in their lineup right now.

Frank also regardless of his struggles has put in work this season. He stays late after every practice. He puts in work during pre game warmups. He works his ass off on his game.

Has to be only a matter of time before that type of work starts to pay dividends, right?

That said I would't be upset if we landed Ja Morant this coming draft if we aren't able to net Zion.

You had me till Ja Morant. Not impressed by this kid, maybe I missed where he plays any defense (haven't seem a lot of him)

Spoken like the basketball genius that you are.
Mark this one down. As if you needed more great predictions to add to your great history.

NYKBocker @ 1/29/2019 7:34 AM
GoNyGoNyGo @ 1/29/2019 11:38 AM
NYKBocker wrote:

nice...Frank defended Harden very well. He is a keeper, IMO. This summer should be all about him shooting 3's and perfecting his jump shot mid range to 3 pt range.

I will not give up on Ntilikina.

Vmart @ 1/29/2019 6:23 PM
A few things I noticed about Frank in his summer approach. He has a slow release, tomuch dribbling around without north-south movements. To much dribbling while stationary. He needs to learn catch and cut at the same time. He needs to start using the Kiki First step and blow bye the person guarding him.

He needs to watch a lot of Harden Westbrook, Chris Paul, Kidd, Kobe and Jordan he needs to mimic these guys and their style. Like Kobe copied Jordan.

ESOMKnicks @ 1/29/2019 7:14 PM
Lots of guys watched Jordan, but few could copy him. Frank needs to start by taking and hitting open jumpshots. Right now it is almost like he is digusted by the act of taking a shot. He will never be a driving/slashing type of PG, but a reliable jumpshot is maybe all he'd need to be a quality pass-first defensive-minded PG. The Knicks can look to have scorers in other positions.
meloshouldgo @ 1/29/2019 7:46 PM
HofstraBBall wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
EnySpree wrote:

https://hoopshype.com/player/frank-ntili...

Vonleh was viewed similarly. Was given up on by 2 teams prior to signing with the Knicks. Now he is one of our favorite players. The ability to contribute without being featured is critical for winning teams. Frank has that potential about him. Sure he hasn't produced towards our liking so far, but I would absolutely hate to see a Vonleh situation unfold. Hornets would absolutely love to have Vonleh in their lineup right now.

Frank also regardless of his struggles has put in work this season. He stays late after every practice. He puts in work during pre game warmups. He works his ass off on his game.

Has to be only a matter of time before that type of work starts to pay dividends, right?

That said I would't be upset if we landed Ja Morant this coming draft if we aren't able to net Zion.

You had me till Ja Morant. Not impressed by this kid, maybe I missed where he plays any defense (haven't seem a lot of him)

Spoken like the basketball genius that you are.
Mark this one down. As if you needed more great predictions to add to your great history.

I didn't make a prediction, I said I hadn't seen much other than a couple of highlight reels and no hint of defense. Go jerk off on the altar of Honey Nut Cheerios.

meloshouldgo @ 1/29/2019 7:51 PM
NYKBocker wrote:

LOVE that defense and the smarts used in trapping Harden, arguably the best one one one player of all time who was just averaging 40 over the last several games.

meloshouldgo @ 1/29/2019 7:55 PM
EnySpree wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
EnySpree wrote:

https://hoopshype.com/player/frank-ntili...

Vonleh was viewed similarly. Was given up on by 2 teams prior to signing with the Knicks. Now he is one of our favorite players. The ability to contribute without being featured is critical for winning teams. Frank has that potential about him. Sure he hasn't produced towards our liking so far, but I would absolutely hate to see a Vonleh situation unfold. Hornets would absolutely love to have Vonleh in their lineup right now.

Frank also regardless of his struggles has put in work this season. He stays late after every practice. He puts in work during pre game warmups. He works his ass off on his game.

Has to be only a matter of time before that type of work starts to pay dividends, right?

That said I would't be upset if we landed Ja Morant this coming draft if we aren't able to net Zion.

You had me till Ja Morant. Not impressed by this kid, maybe I missed where he plays any defense (haven't seem a lot of him)

All you need to see in one clip... check out the two handed block in this clip. Kid is special

He does look good. Less of a highlight reel on this clip and more passing which seems to be really crisp. Still got Zion and Barret in front of him. But staying in the top three of this draft is very important. Reddish seems to be disappearing in games, the drop off after 3 will be precipitous.

CrushAlot @ 1/29/2019 9:52 PM
meloshouldgo wrote:
EnySpree wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
EnySpree wrote:

https://hoopshype.com/player/frank-ntili...

Vonleh was viewed similarly. Was given up on by 2 teams prior to signing with the Knicks. Now he is one of our favorite players. The ability to contribute without being featured is critical for winning teams. Frank has that potential about him. Sure he hasn't produced towards our liking so far, but I would absolutely hate to see a Vonleh situation unfold. Hornets would absolutely love to have Vonleh in their lineup right now.

Frank also regardless of his struggles has put in work this season. He stays late after every practice. He puts in work during pre game warmups. He works his ass off on his game.

Has to be only a matter of time before that type of work starts to pay dividends, right?

That said I would't be upset if we landed Ja Morant this coming draft if we aren't able to net Zion.

You had me till Ja Morant. Not impressed by this kid, maybe I missed where he plays any defense (haven't seem a lot of him)

All you need to see in one clip... check out the two handed block in this clip. Kid is special

He does look good. Less of a highlight reel on this clip and more passing which seems to be really crisp. Still got Zion and Barret in front of him. But staying in the top three of this draft is very important. Reddish seems to be disappearing in games, the drop off after 3 will be precipitous.


Definitely worth knowing a bit about a guy before calling him a dumb @ss.
meloshouldgo @ 1/29/2019 11:35 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:
EnySpree wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
EnySpree wrote:

https://hoopshype.com/player/frank-ntili...

Vonleh was viewed similarly. Was given up on by 2 teams prior to signing with the Knicks. Now he is one of our favorite players. The ability to contribute without being featured is critical for winning teams. Frank has that potential about him. Sure he hasn't produced towards our liking so far, but I would absolutely hate to see a Vonleh situation unfold. Hornets would absolutely love to have Vonleh in their lineup right now.

Frank also regardless of his struggles has put in work this season. He stays late after every practice. He puts in work during pre game warmups. He works his ass off on his game.

Has to be only a matter of time before that type of work starts to pay dividends, right?

That said I would't be upset if we landed Ja Morant this coming draft if we aren't able to net Zion.

You had me till Ja Morant. Not impressed by this kid, maybe I missed where he plays any defense (haven't seem a lot of him)

All you need to see in one clip... check out the two handed block in this clip. Kid is special

He does look good. Less of a highlight reel on this clip and more passing which seems to be really crisp. Still got Zion and Barret in front of him. But staying in the top three of this draft is very important. Reddish seems to be disappearing in games, the drop off after 3 will be precipitous.


Definitely worth knowing a bit about a guy before calling him a dumb @ss.

I don't think I did.

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