Zion will be a force in the NBA from day 1. I will literally cry tears of joy if the Knicks get the first pick.
FrenchFreak wrote:Zion will be a force in the NBA from day 1. I will literally cry tears of joy if the Knicks get the first pick.
well he's a beast on 2k19....and they always get it right
arkrud wrote:JesseDark wrote:arkrud wrote:JesseDark wrote:I like this kid even if Zion is available. I don’t see what need Zion fills for us.
Lottery is not to pick needs.
Rebuilding teams like Kinicks need highest talent and assets from lottery.
There is no specific need per position. There is a need to improve all positions.
I get it. I am also concerned about the weight, 270, I see a highlight reel dunker so far.
He reminds me of Charles Barkley.
Barkley was a great player but in another NBA.
Prospect is prospect, it can go ether way.
But this level talent cannot be passed on regardless.
If something will go wrong it will be forgiven but if organization pass on top tier player everyone will be fired and its a pain for fans for many years to come.
I can live with the Knicks taking him and he ends up a bust. I would be physically sick if we went against every other teams top player available and he ends up in the hall of fame. That would be it for me as a fan. What seals it for me is the way Zion plays defense. If he didn't play with the energy he does on that end of the floor I would consider taking another prospect
JesseDark wrote:I like this kid even if Zion is available. I don’t see what need Zion fills for us.
er, power forward, Future talent, athleticism
C- DeAndre if he re-signs, Mitch
PF- Kornet
SF- KD, Knox
SG- Dtosn, Trier, Frank
PG- Irving, DSJr
Unless you're happy with Kornet...
edit- just realized you posted this in January!
smackeddog wrote:JesseDark wrote:I like this kid even if Zion is available. I don’t see what need Zion fills for us.
er, power forward, Future talent, athleticism
C- DeAndre if he re-signs, Mitch
PF- Kornet
SF- KD, Knox
SG- Dtosn, Trier, Frank
PG- Irving, DSJr
Unless you're happy with Kornet...
edit- just realized you posted this in January!
Why do you have Luke in there, are you suggesting that the FO is incapable of an upgrade..
Also think about this..The lottery process is now designed to eliminate the worse team from getting a better shot at the best pick, so If we get the #1 pick it would essential prove the new process sucks, and it certainly wouldn't steer teams away from tanking in the future..
See for yourself
http://www.tankathon.com/
simulated the draft 15x, and just once did the knicks come out with the #1 pick, only once did they get the 2nd pick..but they landed at 4 or 5 in almost all the other times
Jmpasq wrote:arkrud wrote:JesseDark wrote:arkrud wrote:JesseDark wrote:I like this kid even if Zion is available. I don’t see what need Zion fills for us.
Lottery is not to pick needs.
Rebuilding teams like Kinicks need highest talent and assets from lottery.
There is no specific need per position. There is a need to improve all positions.
I get it. I am also concerned about the weight, 270, I see a highlight reel dunker so far.
He reminds me of Charles Barkley.
Barkley was a great player but in another NBA.
Prospect is prospect, it can go ether way.
But this level talent cannot be passed on regardless.
If something will go wrong it will be forgiven but if organization pass on top tier player everyone will be fired and its a pain for fans for many years to come.
I can live with the Knicks taking him and he ends up a bust. I would be physically sick if we went against every other teams top player available and he ends up in the hall of fame. That would be it for me as a fan. What seals it for me is the way Zion plays defense. If he didn't play with the energy he does on that end of the floor I would consider taking another prospect
...and the way Zion rebounds at 6'7"
...and the way Zion passes
...and the documented BBIQ he has
...and a vertical that no one at that size and weight has ever had, including Barkley.
All this and only 1 season at the top of the NCAA.
The contrarians in the media love to argue against the obvious. Makes them look interesting and possibly gets them more clicks.
a better non linear way to look at odds is this chart:
http://www.tankathon.com/pick_odds
The process of "tank" ensures a top 5 pick. Less than that being worst you fall one spot potential.
My opinion is the tank was a resignation of fact and we are best served playing the yoot, clear cap space and create further opportunities. Of course not all agree with this and its validation is in the future either way. I don't think the team knew last summer just how bad it would be. That said, it did not apply a band aid cure that might make for a better season. As for the "culture of losing" be habitual, well that's something that will have to be worked out.
Look at the odds. They did not change over the course of the season and if we cheered the tank it was to keep from potentially falling further. I hate that we finally resigned to suck it up and not starphuch our way from the bottom this year where we had the odds but over all its a good rule for the league and prevents what Philly did a couple of seasons back.
Bottom line is we pick top 5. A team like dallas actually has a 9% chance of getting the top pick. We likely won't be the top pick and others will jump. That's the reality staring at us for months now. How you choose deal with his is a personal issue..
This is not a good way to do this:
I think what matters the absolute most is that as of NOW, we have about a 40% chance at landing a top 3 pick and 47% at landing the 5th. It’s not 50/50 but the odds aren’t awful either. Maybe we wont get Zion but drafting Ja or RJ would be really really nice consolation prizes. I would be happy with any of those 3 to be honest.
Nalod wrote:a better non linear way to look at odds is this chart:
http://www.tankathon.com/pick_odds
The process of "tank" ensures a top 5 pick. Less than that being worst you fall one spot potential.
My opinion is the tank was a resignation of fact and we are best served playing the yoot, clear cap space and create further opportunities. Of course not all agree with this and its validation is in the future either way. I don't think the team knew last summer just how bad it would be. That said, it did not apply a band aid cure that might make for a better season. As for the "culture of losing" be habitual, well that's something that will have to be worked out.
Look at the odds. They did not change over the course of the season and if we cheered the tank it was to keep from potentially falling further. I hate that we finally resigned to suck it up and not starphuch our way from the bottom this year where we had the odds but over all its a good rule for the league and prevents what Philly did a couple of seasons back.
Bottom line is we pick top 5. A team like dallas actually has a 9% chance of getting the top pick. We likely won't be the top pick and others will jump. That's the reality staring at us for months now. How you choose deal with his is a personal issue..
Worst case scenario. We end up with the #5 pick which Knicks will probably look at SF/PF depending on how they view Knox as either a SF or PF. As in a Reddish, Culver, or Clarke taking over for Lance and Herzonia.
Then miss out on all top FAs. They probably would resign Mudiay as backup PG unless they prefer Allen. Dotson and Trier will make up the SG spots. Frank if not traded will get one last look at SF.
They will then maybe carry over the cap for next yr or eat a one year deal looking for a situation like Jabari Parker or a Barnes type situation.
With the possibility of them slightly panicking after having such a terrible season and make a starphuch trade after the media tears them apart.
newyorknewyork wrote:Nalod wrote:a better non linear way to look at odds is this chart:
http://www.tankathon.com/pick_odds
The process of "tank" ensures a top 5 pick. Less than that being worst you fall one spot potential.
My opinion is the tank was a resignation of fact and we are best served playing the yoot, clear cap space and create further opportunities. Of course not all agree with this and its validation is in the future either way. I don't think the team knew last summer just how bad it would be. That said, it did not apply a band aid cure that might make for a better season. As for the "culture of losing" be habitual, well that's something that will have to be worked out.
Look at the odds. They did not change over the course of the season and if we cheered the tank it was to keep from potentially falling further. I hate that we finally resigned to suck it up and not starphuch our way from the bottom this year where we had the odds but over all its a good rule for the league and prevents what Philly did a couple of seasons back.
Bottom line is we pick top 5. A team like dallas actually has a 9% chance of getting the top pick. We likely won't be the top pick and others will jump. That's the reality staring at us for months now. How you choose deal with his is a personal issue..
Worst case scenario. We end up with the #5 pick which Knicks will probably look at SF/PF depending on how they view Knox as either a SF or PF. As in a Reddish, Culver, or Clarke taking over for Lance and Herzonia.
Then miss out on all top FAs. They probably would resign Mudiay as backup PG unless they prefer Allen. Dotson and Trier will make up the SG spots. Frank if not traded will get one last look at SF.
They will then maybe carry over the cap for next yr or eat a one year deal looking for a situation like Jabari Parker or a Barnes type situation.
With the possibility of them slightly panicking after having such a terrible season and make a starphuch trade after the media tears them apart.
The Jabari Parker development this year was interesting. Is this a kid whose talent got drawn out because team option for next year (and longer), or finally matured both physical and mental?
Media induced starphuch trade? I hope we have come too far and endured too much pain to do that!
Nalod wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Nalod wrote:a better non linear way to look at odds is this chart:
http://www.tankathon.com/pick_odds
The process of "tank" ensures a top 5 pick. Less than that being worst you fall one spot potential.
My opinion is the tank was a resignation of fact and we are best served playing the yoot, clear cap space and create further opportunities. Of course not all agree with this and its validation is in the future either way. I don't think the team knew last summer just how bad it would be. That said, it did not apply a band aid cure that might make for a better season. As for the "culture of losing" be habitual, well that's something that will have to be worked out.
Look at the odds. They did not change over the course of the season and if we cheered the tank it was to keep from potentially falling further. I hate that we finally resigned to suck it up and not starphuch our way from the bottom this year where we had the odds but over all its a good rule for the league and prevents what Philly did a couple of seasons back.
Bottom line is we pick top 5. A team like dallas actually has a 9% chance of getting the top pick. We likely won't be the top pick and others will jump. That's the reality staring at us for months now. How you choose deal with his is a personal issue..
Worst case scenario. We end up with the #5 pick which Knicks will probably look at SF/PF depending on how they view Knox as either a SF or PF. As in a Reddish, Culver, or Clarke taking over for Lance and Herzonia.
Then miss out on all top FAs. They probably would resign Mudiay as backup PG unless they prefer Allen. Dotson and Trier will make up the SG spots. Frank if not traded will get one last look at SF.
They will then maybe carry over the cap for next yr or eat a one year deal looking for a situation like Jabari Parker or a Barnes type situation.
With the possibility of them slightly panicking after having such a terrible season and make a starphuch trade after the media tears them apart.
The Jabari Parker development this year was interesting. Is this a kid whose talent got drawn out because team option for next year (and longer), or finally matured both physical and mental?
Media induced starphuch trade? I hope we have come too far and endured too much pain to do that!
I would like to believe that we have. But after this season, if the team starts next season looking like another top 5 lotto team.... We followed the team long enough to forecast the level of venom coming the Knicks way. They have been let off the hook this season due to the idea of Zion and Durant etc. Public isn't gonna be motivated for another year of those type of hopes.
But Perry can possibly give the public enough to hold them at bay. While not sacrificing to much of the future. That's where that Barnes level trade would come into play for one of the future draft picks. Sell a proven producer with Smith, Mitch, Knox, Dotson, Trier development etc. If that can get them to a mediocre level then they can sell they are on the rise.
