StarksEwing1 wrote:KP is gonna sign a QO so the Mavs have a lot of pressure on them to convince KP to stay. Adding the 2 firsts makes this a much better deal
What idiot agent has their player who’s just off an ACL tear, settle for the QO rather than sign an extension, just so he can feel important.
Janis
GustavBahler@ 1/31/2019 5:52 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
Uptown wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:On the fence about this deal. Kind of looks like we backed into a good situation. As smackeddog pointed out upthread, this deal looks like it was enginereed to paper over previous mistakes by mgmt, at the cost of a potential superstar.
A potential superstar who has trouble staying on the court, hasnt made an all-star team. Still had work to do on rounding out his game. Whose shelf life as a star might be limited because of his height, frame. I dont blame KP for wanting to leave, he probably has only so many years at peak performance. Didnt like how he let his brother run his mouth as much as he did.
We get DSJ. If he can play well enough to make an all-star team, and run the show, its worth it. Dont know how long the other players will stick, or of they are even in the team's plans. Like that we got Matthews though.
If we get a high pick, I trust Perry to make a good one. If we have two high picks, when was the last time we had that? Never. I like that. One more shot at Zion.
This is the kind of deal, as others have mentioned that has to be followed up with big time FA signings if the Knicks want to make a run in the next couple of years. We have youth, picks, cap room. The table is set, up to Perry amd Mills to cook up something good.
Glad to see you back...
Thanks
Good to see you back Gustav!!
Thanks Hope Perry/Mills nail the follow through on this deal.
Cartman718@ 1/31/2019 5:52 PM
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homeskillitprigioni@ 1/31/2019 5:53 PM
The picks have limited value with both being in the future and being for a team that's going to have Doncic and Porzingis and a great shot at keeping him.
This deal is obviously because they think they can get 2 stars this summer, which I don't really believe. But from a value perspective...this deal is incredibly horrific. Basically an assortment of mediocre pieces for a potential franchise player.
newyorknewyork@ 1/31/2019 5:54 PM
Uptown wrote:
Vmart wrote:Let’s hope the new players don’t mess up the lotto order.
This!!!!
Matthews is exactly the type of player we need at the SF rotation. He is a strong mentor for Dotson and Knox and fits a needed role.
The team is better structured right now and has stronger defensive pieces.
StarksEwing1@ 1/31/2019 5:54 PM
homeskillitprigioni wrote:The picks have limited value with both being in the future and being for a team that's going to have Doncic and Porzingis and a great shot at keeping him.
This deal is obviously because they think they can get 2 stars this summer, which I don't really believe. But from a value perspective...this deal is incredibly horrific. Basically an assortment of mediocre pieces for a potential franchise player.
KP has told the Mavs he plans on signing a QO so no guarantee he stays. Adding the firsts makes it better
Cartman718@ 1/31/2019 5:54 PM
Dan Dakich pushing back on Will Cain saying Knicks won deal, not Mavs
Uptown@ 1/31/2019 5:55 PM
homeskillitprigioni wrote:The picks have limited value with both being in the future and being for a team that's going to have Doncic and Porzingis and a great shot at keeping him.
This deal is obviously because they think they can get 2 stars this summer, which I don't really believe. But from a value perspective...this deal is incredibly horrific. Basically an assortment of mediocre pieces for a potential franchise player.
West is deep, no guarantee they will be successful nor is it a guarantee that KP will resemble the guy that had that one good month for us...
PresIke@ 1/31/2019 5:55 PM
Uptown wrote:I'm in the minority here...If we tale a step back and stop and let the initial shock wear off and we shed the woah-is-me attitude, its a good move for us. We are no where as close to the situation as Perry and Mills, but even we could tell something was up with KP and hi Bro dating back to when he skipped the exit interview...His instagram post that went at Fiz was uncalled for and I think management knew it was a long shot that he would re-sign. Look how fast he informed Dallas he would re-sign? also, I'm concerned about KP's health long term...
Love the Draft picks we received, the cap space and a young, explosive pg in Smith. Not sure what we do with Jordan. We cant let him and Matthews mess up our draft order that we worked so hard for...Again, I'm a fan of the trade.
Im hearing we may cut Jordan and Matthews
Cartman718@ 1/31/2019 5:56 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:
martin wrote:Oh:
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Silverfuel wrote:Can they trade DeAndre and Wes this season before Feb 7?
Yes, just not together.
StarksEwing1@ 1/31/2019 5:56 PM
GustavBahler wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
Uptown wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:On the fence about this deal. Kind of looks like we backed into a good situation. As smackeddog pointed out upthread, this deal looks like it was enginereed to paper over previous mistakes by mgmt, at the cost of a potential superstar.
A potential superstar who has trouble staying on the court, hasnt made an all-star team. Still had work to do on rounding out his game. Whose shelf life as a star might be limited because of his height, frame. I dont blame KP for wanting to leave, he probably has only so many years at peak performance. Didnt like how he let his brother run his mouth as much as he did.
We get DSJ. If he can play well enough to make an all-star team, and run the show, its worth it. Dont know how long the other players will stick, or of they are even in the team's plans. Like that we got Matthews though.
If we get a high pick, I trust Perry to make a good one. If we have two high picks, when was the last time we had that? Never. I like that. One more shot at Zion.
This is the kind of deal, as others have mentioned that has to be followed up with big time FA signings if the Knicks want to make a run in the next couple of years. We have youth, picks, cap room. The table is set, up to Perry amd Mills to cook up something good.
Glad to see you back...
Thanks
Good to see you back Gustav!!
Thanks Hope Perry/Mills nail the follow through on this deal.
Yeah Perry has a lot of work to do. He must be confident about KD and kyrie or leonard. I hated the deal originally but getting back good draft compensation has warmed me up to it
Knicksfan@ 1/31/2019 5:56 PM
Uptown wrote:I'm in the minority here...If we tale a step back and stop and let the initial shock wear off and we shed the woah-is-me attitude, its a good move for us. We are no where as close to the situation as Perry and Mills, but even we could tell something was up with KP and hi Bro dating back to when he skipped the exit interview...His instagram post that went at Fiz was uncalled for and I think management knew it was a long shot that he would re-sign. Look how fast he informed Dallas he would re-sign? also, I'm concerned about KP's health long term...
Love the Draft picks we received, the cap space and a young, explosive pg in Smith. Not sure what we do with Jordan. We cant let him and Matthews mess up our draft order that we worked so hard for...Again, I'm a fan of the trade.
It's been reported Porzingis told the Mavs he would only sign the QO, which was probably what he intended to do with the Knicks anyway, which in turn scared the Knicks, who knew already there was trouble in paradise with Janis and Porzingis.
I mean, this only shows Porzingis seems to have a set plan that might not even include the Mavs.
StarksEwing1@ 1/31/2019 5:59 PM
Knicksfan wrote:
Uptown wrote:I'm in the minority here...If we tale a step back and stop and let the initial shock wear off and we shed the woah-is-me attitude, its a good move for us. We are no where as close to the situation as Perry and Mills, but even we could tell something was up with KP and hi Bro dating back to when he skipped the exit interview...His instagram post that went at Fiz was uncalled for and I think management knew it was a long shot that he would re-sign. Look how fast he informed Dallas he would re-sign? also, I'm concerned about KP's health long term...
Love the Draft picks we received, the cap space and a young, explosive pg in Smith. Not sure what we do with Jordan. We cant let him and Matthews mess up our draft order that we worked so hard for...Again, I'm a fan of the trade.
It's been reported Porzingis told the Mavs he would only sign the QO, which was probably what he intended to do with the Knicks anyway, which in turn scared the Knicks, who knew already there was trouble in paradise with Janis and Porzingis.
I mean, this only shows Porzingis seems to have a set plan that might not even include the Mavs.
True. He can walk after signing the 1 year QO. If that happens then this deal can be huge for us now and the future
SupremeCommander@ 1/31/2019 5:59 PM
I'm not saying that we are going to target AD, but in theory I would think we have a better chance of getting him today. We could offer our prospects, DSJ, and multiple firsts now
Knicksfan@ 1/31/2019 5:59 PM
smackeddog wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:KP is gonna sign a QO so the Mavs have a lot of pressure on them to convince KP to stay. Adding the 2 firsts makes this a much better deal
What idiot agent has their player who’s just off an ACL tear, settle for the QO rather than sign an extension, just so he can feel important.
1. His agent is his brother.
2. His brother has proven before to be problematic and have huge control on Porzingis.
3. Porzingis and his brother seem to have a plan as on where they want to take his career to. Considering this is a player's league, even with the injury, Porzingis has lots of power. Just consider how people are calling the Mavs champs and Porsingis has yet to return to play this season.
BigDaddyG@ 1/31/2019 6:00 PM
Knicksfan wrote:
Uptown wrote:I'm in the minority here...If we tale a step back and stop and let the initial shock wear off and we shed the woah-is-me attitude, its a good move for us. We are no where as close to the situation as Perry and Mills, but even we could tell something was up with KP and hi Bro dating back to when he skipped the exit interview...His instagram post that went at Fiz was uncalled for and I think management knew it was a long shot that he would re-sign. Look how fast he informed Dallas he would re-sign? also, I'm concerned about KP's health long term...
Love the Draft picks we received, the cap space and a young, explosive pg in Smith. Not sure what we do with Jordan. We cant let him and Matthews mess up our draft order that we worked so hard for...Again, I'm a fan of the trade.
It's been reported Porzingis told the Mavs he would only sign the QO, which was probably what he intended to do with the Knicks anyway, which in turn scared the Knicks, who knew already there was trouble in paradise with Janis and Porzingis.
I mean, this only shows Porzingis seems to have a set plan that might not even include the Mavs.
This deal came together quickly. Either the Knicks or Janis must've orchestrated this a few days in advance. Can't wait for more leaks to come out about what led to this.
Cartman718@ 1/31/2019 6:06 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:
Uptown wrote:I'm in the minority here...If we tale a step back and stop and let the initial shock wear off and we shed the woah-is-me attitude, its a good move for us. We are no where as close to the situation as Perry and Mills, but even we could tell something was up with KP and hi Bro dating back to when he skipped the exit interview...His instagram post that went at Fiz was uncalled for and I think management knew it was a long shot that he would re-sign. Look how fast he informed Dallas he would re-sign? also, I'm concerned about KP's health long term...
Love the Draft picks we received, the cap space and a young, explosive pg in Smith. Not sure what we do with Jordan. We cant let him and Matthews mess up our draft order that we worked so hard for...Again, I'm a fan of the trade.
i hated the deal BUT getting multiple firsts makes me much happier. We still need to own this offseason but i feel better
This is where Perry and Mills will really have to earn their salaries.
GustavBahler@ 1/31/2019 6:06 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
Knicksfan wrote:
Uptown wrote:I'm in the minority here...If we tale a step back and stop and let the initial shock wear off and we shed the woah-is-me attitude, its a good move for us. We are no where as close to the situation as Perry and Mills, but even we could tell something was up with KP and hi Bro dating back to when he skipped the exit interview...His instagram post that went at Fiz was uncalled for and I think management knew it was a long shot that he would re-sign. Look how fast he informed Dallas he would re-sign? also, I'm concerned about KP's health long term...
Love the Draft picks we received, the cap space and a young, explosive pg in Smith. Not sure what we do with Jordan. We cant let him and Matthews mess up our draft order that we worked so hard for...Again, I'm a fan of the trade.
It's been reported Porzingis told the Mavs he would only sign the QO, which was probably what he intended to do with the Knicks anyway, which in turn scared the Knicks, who knew already there was trouble in paradise with Janis and Porzingis.
I mean, this only shows Porzingis seems to have a set plan that might not even include the Mavs.
This deal came together quickly. Either the Knicks or Janis must've orchestrated this a few days in advance. Can't wait for more leaks to come out about what led to this.
They were suggestin as much on ESPN, that a deal might have been in the works for some time, and tbe Knicks might have leaked this story in advance of the deal, which isnt out of the realm of possibility. It happened so fast.
A player like Doncic, with his height and court vision could extend a player like KP's career. With the Knicks, KP would probably be carrying more of the load.
newyorknewyork@ 1/31/2019 6:08 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
Uptown wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:On the fence about this deal. Kind of looks like we backed into a good situation. As smackeddog pointed out upthread, this deal looks like it was enginereed to paper over previous mistakes by mgmt, at the cost of a potential superstar.
A potential superstar who has trouble staying on the court, hasnt made an all-star team. Still had work to do on rounding out his game. Whose shelf life as a star might be limited because of his height, frame. I dont blame KP for wanting to leave, he probably has only so many years at peak performance. Didnt like how he let his brother run his mouth as much as he did.
We get DSJ. If he can play well enough to make an all-star team, and run the show, its worth it. Dont know how long the other players will stick, or of they are even in the team's plans. Like that we got Matthews though.
If we get a high pick, I trust Perry to make a good one. If we have two high picks, when was the last time we had that? Never. I like that. One more shot at Zion.
This is the kind of deal, as others have mentioned that has to be followed up with big time FA signings if the Knicks want to make a run in the next couple of years. We have youth, picks, cap room. The table is set, up to Perry amd Mills to cook up something good.
Glad to see you back...
Thanks
Good to see you back Gustav!!
Word, was concerned for his health due to the disappearance.
smackeddog@ 1/31/2019 6:09 PM
PresIke wrote:
Uptown wrote:I'm in the minority here...If we tale a step back and stop and let the initial shock wear off and we shed the woah-is-me attitude, its a good move for us. We are no where as close to the situation as Perry and Mills, but even we could tell something was up with KP and hi Bro dating back to when he skipped the exit interview...His instagram post that went at Fiz was uncalled for and I think management knew it was a long shot that he would re-sign. Look how fast he informed Dallas he would re-sign? also, I'm concerned about KP's health long term...
Love the Draft picks we received, the cap space and a young, explosive pg in Smith. Not sure what we do with Jordan. We cant let him and Matthews mess up our draft order that we worked so hard for...Again, I'm a fan of the trade.
Im hearing we may cut Jordan and Matthews
Hope not- remember we still plan on dumping kanter, we need some players still on the roster, and I think Wes Mathews is a nice vet to have around.
Can someone clarify- was trey Burke in the trade? Nearly all the tweets don’t list him, but one did.
