Knicks · KP About to go to Dallas (page 12)
PresIke wrote:Uptown wrote:I'm in the minority here...If we tale a step back and stop and let the initial shock wear off and we shed the woah-is-me attitude, its a good move for us. We are no where as close to the situation as Perry and Mills, but even we could tell something was up with KP and hi Bro dating back to when he skipped the exit interview...His instagram post that went at Fiz was uncalled for and I think management knew it was a long shot that he would re-sign. Look how fast he informed Dallas he would re-sign? also, I'm concerned about KP's health long term...Love the Draft picks we received, the cap space and a young, explosive pg in Smith. Not sure what we do with Jordan. We cant let him and Matthews mess up our draft order that we worked so hard for...Again, I'm a fan of the trade.
Im hearing we may cut Jordan and Matthews
Hope not- remember we still plan on dumping kanter, we need some players still on the roster, and I think Wes Mathews is a nice vet to have around.
Can someone clarify- was trey Burke in the trade? Nearly all the tweets don’t list him, but one did.
Uptown wrote:homeskillitprigioni wrote:The picks have limited value with both being in the future and being for a team that's going to have Doncic and Porzingis and a great shot at keeping him.This deal is obviously because they think they can get 2 stars this summer, which I don't really believe. But from a value perspective...this deal is incredibly horrific. Basically an assortment of mediocre pieces for a potential franchise player.
West is deep, no guarantee they will be successful nor is it a guarantee that KP will resemble the guy that had that one good month for us...
With that much competition in the West.....Dallas will have a hard time making the playoffs. Also how does KP get multiple all star starter selections out of this.
Even if KD moves to East this summer, Warriors are still way better than Dallas with KP and Doncic, AND...doesn't this ultimately become KD's team if he signs with us? If another max signs...that lineup plus Knox plus 2019 first round pick...hey we could make some noise...what was our noise potential with KP? Pretty great IF he came back 100%. We need to draft well to even out this trade.
PresIke wrote:Uptown wrote:I'm in the minority here...If we tale a step back and stop and let the initial shock wear off and we shed the woah-is-me attitude, its a good move for us. We are no where as close to the situation as Perry and Mills, but even we could tell something was up with KP and hi Bro dating back to when he skipped the exit interview...His instagram post that went at Fiz was uncalled for and I think management knew it was a long shot that he would re-sign. Look how fast he informed Dallas he would re-sign? also, I'm concerned about KP's health long term...Love the Draft picks we received, the cap space and a young, explosive pg in Smith. Not sure what we do with Jordan. We cant let him and Matthews mess up our draft order that we worked so hard for...Again, I'm a fan of the trade.
Im hearing we may cut Jordan and Matthews
hearing from who?
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newyorknewyork wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Good to see you back Gustav!!Uptown wrote:GustavBahler wrote:On the fence about this deal. Kind of looks like we backed into a good situation. As smackeddog pointed out upthread, this deal looks like it was enginereed to paper over previous mistakes by mgmt, at the cost of a potential superstar.A potential superstar who has trouble staying on the court, hasnt made an all-star team. Still had work to do on rounding out his game. Whose shelf life as a star might be limited because of his height, frame. I dont blame KP for wanting to leave, he probably has only so many years at peak performance. Didnt like how he let his brother run his mouth as much as he did.
We get DSJ. If he can play well enough to make an all-star team, and run the show, its worth it.
Dont know how long the other players will stick, or of they are even in the team's plans. Like that we got Matthews though.If we get a high pick, I trust Perry to make a good one. If we have two high picks, when was the last time we had that? Never. I like that. One more shot at Zion.
This is the kind of deal, as others have mentioned that has to be followed up with big time FA signings if the Knicks want to make a run in the next couple of years. We have youth, picks, cap room. The table is set, up to Perry amd Mills to cook up something good.
Glad to see you back...
Thanks
Word, was concerned for his health due to the disappearance.
Thanks, got a lot on my plate, and this season was clearly being flushed for Zion. Dont mind at this point. Wish Fizdale was more focused on ball movement during the tank, however. He can do both.
"Durability was a major issue with Porzingis even back to Jackson’s days. Porzingis missed 10 games his rookie year, 16 his second season, 34 last year and the first 50 games of this season. Porzingis admitted himself there’s no documentation of a 7-3 player returning from ACL surgery in the NBA."
smackeddog wrote:PresIke wrote:Uptown wrote:I'm in the minority here...If we tale a step back and stop and let the initial shock wear off and we shed the woah-is-me attitude, its a good move for us. We are no where as close to the situation as Perry and Mills, but even we could tell something was up with KP and hi Bro dating back to when he skipped the exit interview...His instagram post that went at Fiz was uncalled for and I think management knew it was a long shot that he would re-sign. Look how fast he informed Dallas he would re-sign? also, I'm concerned about KP's health long term...Love the Draft picks we received, the cap space and a young, explosive pg in Smith. Not sure what we do with Jordan. We cant let him and Matthews mess up our draft order that we worked so hard for...Again, I'm a fan of the trade.
Im hearing we may cut Jordan and Matthews
Hope not- remember we still plan on dumping kanter, we need some players still on the roster, and I think Wes Mathews is a nice vet to have around.
Can someone clarify- was trey Burke in the trade? Nearly all the tweets don’t list him, but one did.
Burke's gone!
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bigjeep8 wrote:smackeddog wrote:PresIke wrote:Uptown wrote:I'm in the minority here...If we tale a step back and stop and let the initial shock wear off and we shed the woah-is-me attitude, its a good move for us. We are no where as close to the situation as Perry and Mills, but even we could tell something was up with KP and hi Bro dating back to when he skipped the exit interview...His instagram post that went at Fiz was uncalled for and I think management knew it was a long shot that he would re-sign. Look how fast he informed Dallas he would re-sign? also, I'm concerned about KP's health long term...Love the Draft picks we received, the cap space and a young, explosive pg in Smith. Not sure what we do with Jordan. We cant let him and Matthews mess up our draft order that we worked so hard for...Again, I'm a fan of the trade.
Im hearing we may cut Jordan and Matthews
Hope not- remember we still plan on dumping kanter, we need some players still on the roster, and I think Wes Mathews is a nice vet to have around.
Can someone clarify- was trey Burke in the trade? Nearly all the tweets don’t list him, but one did.
Burke's gone!
Thanks! Just kanter to vanquish
StarksEwing1 wrote:Knicksfan wrote:True. He can walk after signing the 1 year QO. If that happens then this deal can be huge for us now and the futureUptown wrote:I'm in the minority here...If we tale a step back and stop and let the initial shock wear off and we shed the woah-is-me attitude, its a good move for us. We are no where as close to the situation as Perry and Mills, but even we could tell something was up with KP and hi Bro dating back to when he skipped the exit interview...His instagram post that went at Fiz was uncalled for and I think management knew it was a long shot that he would re-sign. Look how fast he informed Dallas he would re-sign? also, I'm concerned about KP's health long term...Love the Draft picks we received, the cap space and a young, explosive pg in Smith. Not sure what we do with Jordan. We cant let him and Matthews mess up our draft order that we worked so hard for...Again, I'm a fan of the trade.
It's been reported Porzingis told the Mavs he would only sign the QO, which was probably what he intended to do with the Knicks anyway, which in turn scared the Knicks, who knew already there was trouble in paradise with Janis and Porzingis.
I mean, this only shows Porzingis seems to have a set plan that might not even include the Mavs.
Imagine if after next season he says bye bye Mavs, hello Knicks!
smackeddog wrote:bigjeep8 wrote:smackeddog wrote:PresIke wrote:Uptown wrote:I'm in the minority here...If we tale a step back and stop and let the initial shock wear off and we shed the woah-is-me attitude, its a good move for us. We are no where as close to the situation as Perry and Mills, but even we could tell something was up with KP and hi Bro dating back to when he skipped the exit interview...His instagram post that went at Fiz was uncalled for and I think management knew it was a long shot that he would re-sign. Look how fast he informed Dallas he would re-sign? also, I'm concerned about KP's health long term...Love the Draft picks we received, the cap space and a young, explosive pg in Smith. Not sure what we do with Jordan. We cant let him and Matthews mess up our draft order that we worked so hard for...Again, I'm a fan of the trade.
Im hearing we may cut Jordan and Matthews
Hope not- remember we still plan on dumping kanter, we need some players still on the roster, and I think Wes Mathews is a nice vet to have around.
Can someone clarify- was trey Burke in the trade? Nearly all the tweets don’t list him, but one did.
Burke's gone!
Thanks! Just kanter to vanquish
I would like to see Kanter stay!
SupremeCommander wrote:I think I like this deal now. I think we made a reverse McDyess trade. Read this:Me too. Obviously we still need to crush our offseason but getting those firsts made it better for me"Durability was a major issue with Porzingis even back to Jackson’s days. Porzingis missed 10 games his rookie year, 16 his second season, 34 last year and the first 50 games of this season. Porzingis admitted himself there’s no documentation of a 7-3 player returning from ACL surgery in the NBA."
Cartman718 wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:Knicksfan wrote:True. He can walk after signing the 1 year QO. If that happens then this deal can be huge for us now and the futureUptown wrote:I'm in the minority here...If we tale a step back and stop and let the initial shock wear off and we shed the woah-is-me attitude, its a good move for us. We are no where as close to the situation as Perry and Mills, but even we could tell something was up with KP and hi Bro dating back to when he skipped the exit interview...His instagram post that went at Fiz was uncalled for and I think management knew it was a long shot that he would re-sign. Look how fast he informed Dallas he would re-sign? also, I'm concerned about KP's health long term...Love the Draft picks we received, the cap space and a young, explosive pg in Smith. Not sure what we do with Jordan. We cant let him and Matthews mess up our draft order that we worked so hard for...Again, I'm a fan of the trade.
It's been reported Porzingis told the Mavs he would only sign the QO, which was probably what he intended to do with the Knicks anyway, which in turn scared the Knicks, who knew already there was trouble in paradise with Janis and Porzingis.
I mean, this only shows Porzingis seems to have a set plan that might not even include the Mavs.
Imagine if after next season he says bye bye Mavs, hello Knicks!
If that happen they would install a rule change the next CBA.
newyorknewyork wrote:Cartman718 wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:Knicksfan wrote:True. He can walk after signing the 1 year QO. If that happens then this deal can be huge for us now and the futureUptown wrote:I'm in the minority here...If we tale a step back and stop and let the initial shock wear off and we shed the woah-is-me attitude, its a good move for us. We are no where as close to the situation as Perry and Mills, but even we could tell something was up with KP and hi Bro dating back to when he skipped the exit interview...His instagram post that went at Fiz was uncalled for and I think management knew it was a long shot that he would re-sign. Look how fast he informed Dallas he would re-sign? also, I'm concerned about KP's health long term...Love the Draft picks we received, the cap space and a young, explosive pg in Smith. Not sure what we do with Jordan. We cant let him and Matthews mess up our draft order that we worked so hard for...Again, I'm a fan of the trade.
It's been reported Porzingis told the Mavs he would only sign the QO, which was probably what he intended to do with the Knicks anyway, which in turn scared the Knicks, who knew already there was trouble in paradise with Janis and Porzingis.
I mean, this only shows Porzingis seems to have a set plan that might not even include the Mavs.
Imagine if after next season he says bye bye Mavs, hello Knicks!
If that happen they would install a rule change the next CBA.
I don't think so. That bridge has been burnt forever.
Dallas, Cuban, Dirk, Carlisle, Donicic, KP...
Clear European connection.
People who are alike always gravitate to each other.
This FO wants all organization to be picked by them and have people of similar cultural background.
This is understandable.
But this will bring 100% accountability when all is said and done.
It will be interesting to see how job will be done from scratch here.
smackeddog wrote:bigjeep8 wrote:smackeddog wrote:PresIke wrote:Uptown wrote:I'm in the minority here...If we tale a step back and stop and let the initial shock wear off and we shed the woah-is-me attitude, its a good move for us. We are no where as close to the situation as Perry and Mills, but even we could tell something was up with KP and hi Bro dating back to when he skipped the exit interview...His instagram post that went at Fiz was uncalled for and I think management knew it was a long shot that he would re-sign. Look how fast he informed Dallas he would re-sign? also, I'm concerned about KP's health long term...Love the Draft picks we received, the cap space and a young, explosive pg in Smith. Not sure what we do with Jordan. We cant let him and Matthews mess up our draft order that we worked so hard for...Again, I'm a fan of the trade.
Im hearing we may cut Jordan and Matthews
Hope not- remember we still plan on dumping kanter, we need some players still on the roster, and I think Wes Mathews is a nice vet to have around.
Can someone clarify- was trey Burke in the trade? Nearly all the tweets don’t list him, but one did.
Burke's gone!
Thanks! Just kanter to vanquish
I wish Kanter would chill, but given everything that is going on his life, his family in Turkey, his issues with the president of Turkey, his own career. Thats a lot to deal with.
Kanter wears his heart on his sleeve, most of the time thats a good thing. Right now Enes would do himself some good if he cut down on the drama. Best chance of getting sent somewhere decent.
GustavBahler wrote:I sympathize with Kanter over the Turkey situation and i was a big fan of his since he came here but he has rubbed me the wrong way with his actions recently. I understand he has a lot on his plate but still needs to chillsmackeddog wrote:bigjeep8 wrote:smackeddog wrote:PresIke wrote:Uptown wrote:I'm in the minority here...If we tale a step back and stop and let the initial shock wear off and we shed the woah-is-me attitude, its a good move for us. We are no where as close to the situation as Perry and Mills, but even we could tell something was up with KP and hi Bro dating back to when he skipped the exit interview...His instagram post that went at Fiz was uncalled for and I think management knew it was a long shot that he would re-sign. Look how fast he informed Dallas he would re-sign? also, I'm concerned about KP's health long term...Love the Draft picks we received, the cap space and a young, explosive pg in Smith. Not sure what we do with Jordan. We cant let him and Matthews mess up our draft order that we worked so hard for...Again, I'm a fan of the trade.
Im hearing we may cut Jordan and Matthews
Hope not- remember we still plan on dumping kanter, we need some players still on the roster, and I think Wes Mathews is a nice vet to have around.
Can someone clarify- was trey Burke in the trade? Nearly all the tweets don’t list him, but one did.
Burke's gone!
Thanks! Just kanter to vanquish
I wish Kanter would chill, but given everything that is going on his life, his family in Turkey, his issues with the president of Turkey, his own career. Thats a lot to deal with.
Kanter wears his heart on his sleeve, most of the time thats a good thing. Right now Enes would do himself some good if he cut down on the drama. Best chance of getting sent somewhere decent.
StarksEwing1 wrote:GustavBahler wrote:I sympathize with Kanter over the Turkey situation and i was a big fan of his since he came here but he has rubbed me the wrong way with his actions recently. I understand he has a lot on his plate but still needs to chillsmackeddog wrote:bigjeep8 wrote:smackeddog wrote:PresIke wrote:Uptown wrote:I'm in the minority here...If we tale a step back and stop and let the initial shock wear off and we shed the woah-is-me attitude, its a good move for us. We are no where as close to the situation as Perry and Mills, but even we could tell something was up with KP and hi Bro dating back to when he skipped the exit interview...His instagram post that went at Fiz was uncalled for and I think management knew it was a long shot that he would re-sign. Look how fast he informed Dallas he would re-sign? also, I'm concerned about KP's health long term...Love the Draft picks we received, the cap space and a young, explosive pg in Smith. Not sure what we do with Jordan. We cant let him and Matthews mess up our draft order that we worked so hard for...Again, I'm a fan of the trade.
Im hearing we may cut Jordan and Matthews
Hope not- remember we still plan on dumping kanter, we need some players still on the roster, and I think Wes Mathews is a nice vet to have around.
Can someone clarify- was trey Burke in the trade? Nearly all the tweets don’t list him, but one did.
Burke's gone!
Thanks! Just kanter to vanquish
I wish Kanter would chill, but given everything that is going on his life, his family in Turkey, his issues with the president of Turkey, his own career. Thats a lot to deal with.
Kanter wears his heart on his sleeve, most of the time thats a good thing. Right now Enes would do himself some good if he cut down on the drama. Best chance of getting sent somewhere decent.
Agree, needs to take a step back.
Yes.
Protected...
ESOMKnicks wrote:So, Dallas played us by getting us to take Frank, so that they could get DSJR. And now they played us again by giving us the same DSJR, but for KP instead of Frank. Don't Dolan and our FO understand how thoroughly they are getting owned by Cuban?Can we stop with this jedi mind trick theory that Dallas trick us into drafting Frank? Totally illogical.In any case, I am consoled by the thought that it is only a matter of time before the diva starts getting upset over being second banana to Doncic, and shows Cuban that at the end he has outsmarted himself.