Knicks · KP About to go to Dallas (page 16)

Uptown @ 1/31/2019 8:01 PM
newyorknewyork wrote:
Knicksfan wrote:
homeskillitprigioni wrote:How did the Knicks get ripped off so hard that the 2023 pick is a protected one? This seems like a deal where the Knicks just said yes to everything and basically ensured they wouldn't get anything great back.

It’s unprotected in 2025.

And we don’t exactly get the 2021 yet. We get it if Atlanta gets their pick this year. We get a Dallas pick 2 years after Atlanta gets theirs.

Basically, feel better that the Knicks got two first round picks and don’t mind them until they actually become really ours, which we don’t know when.

So if you care about instant gratification, hope that NY can turn Jordan and Mathews into draft picks in this decade.

Yah

If Dallas ends up in the top 5. The Knicks will get that pick. If they end up outside the top 5 then that pick goes to ATL forcing Knicks to wait until 2021.

Is this confirmed? Haven't seen this anywhere...

ramtour420 @ 1/31/2019 8:03 PM
magicTs wrote:

OMG OMG OMG. 21 is my number ! its an unprotected pick!!!! Lets see what its like to own one of those for once!! I already like it !! I like the deal i like the deal i like the deal, no really the deal is not that terrible really. KP , i mean his brother, was never gonna resign, who are we kidding
Uptown @ 1/31/2019 8:05 PM
nykshaknbake wrote:I'm stunned. Isn't the whole point of drafting to get players like Porzingis homegrown? All the players we are getting are useless and dsj is a big question mark. That Dallas pick isn't going to be any good either. If we aren't getting Durant and another prime player in free agency I'm done with this team for a long time.

Isn't the point of getting a high draft pick is to get lucky and land a generational player like Durant, develop him and hopefully win championships? We have a opportunity to get a league MVP, Finals MVP and champion and perhaps the best player in the league still in his prime . You would rather have KP over Durant?

GoNyGoNyGo @ 1/31/2019 8:07 PM
I was shocked and very upset when I first heard this deal. 4 hours later, here is my take.

NY is in a better position for next season now than they were before the deal and they have 2 more 1st round picks going forward.

The BAD

I love KP and I was sold on the idea of a NY pick winning a ring here. KP is a unique talent and will be great with Doncic in Dallas.

However, his brother and KP have alwasys eemed to have an issue with NY for some reason. If it is true that he requested a trade then I say GOOD RIDDANCE.

The GOOD

We are FREE of an injury prone player who has not even been an all star yet. His future is clouded by injury.
NY gets 2 first round piocks in 2023 and 2021!!! this is HUge

NY Gets DSjr. While I was in the Frank camp (I'm loyal to my team), he is a good player with much offensive potential. He is a piece.

NY has $75M in cap space this summer !!!! ARe you kidding me? our pick, DSjr, Frank, Trier, Mitch, VOnleh (?), Kornet, Dotson, and 2 MAX players!!!!! KNOX too!! (edit)

We are in a better position to be better now than with KP, a pick and 1 max FA, no DSjr and with Tim. The future is brighter.

THis is a good trade.

It hurts as I wanted KP to win it hear but apparently he does not. So we move on and I can only pray we get two GREAT players with the cap space. KP is a big ???

I wish KP well but not too well. I hope he does not win a ring anywhere now (unless he resigns in nY of course...heh).

Its Blue and Orange for me, and the team's future is brighter now than it was this morning!

ramtour420 @ 1/31/2019 8:11 PM
Cartman718 wrote:we need to make more trades for 2019 picks

this would be so sweet, each pick upping our pecentage at the top pick much more in this new format

CrushAlot @ 1/31/2019 8:11 PM
Cartman718 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:Shams reporting KP told Dallas he will sign the qualifying offer next summer.

change your sig


Yeah. It is time.
newyorknewyork @ 1/31/2019 8:14 PM
Uptown wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
Knicksfan wrote:
homeskillitprigioni wrote:How did the Knicks get ripped off so hard that the 2023 pick is a protected one? This seems like a deal where the Knicks just said yes to everything and basically ensured they wouldn't get anything great back.

It’s unprotected in 2025.

And we don’t exactly get the 2021 yet. We get it if Atlanta gets their pick this year. We get a Dallas pick 2 years after Atlanta gets theirs.

Basically, feel better that the Knicks got two first round picks and don’t mind them until they actually become really ours, which we don’t know when.

So if you care about instant gratification, hope that NY can turn Jordan and Mathews into draft picks in this decade.

Yah

If Dallas ends up in the top 5. The Knicks will get that pick. If they end up outside the top 5 then that pick goes to ATL forcing Knicks to wait until 2021.

Is this confirmed? Haven't seen this anywhere...


That's what I got from this Bondy tweet. Knicks get the 2021 pick unless Dallas 2019 pick lands inside the top 5. They traded the pick to ATL with top 5 protection. So based off this tweet. They traded the 2019 pick to the Knicks if its 1-5 or it will go to ATL if its 6-30.

TLover @ 1/31/2019 8:19 PM
newyorknewyork wrote:
Uptown wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
Knicksfan wrote:
homeskillitprigioni wrote:How did the Knicks get ripped off so hard that the 2023 pick is a protected one? This seems like a deal where the Knicks just said yes to everything and basically ensured they wouldn't get anything great back.

It’s unprotected in 2025.

And we don’t exactly get the 2021 yet. We get it if Atlanta gets their pick this year. We get a Dallas pick 2 years after Atlanta gets theirs.

Basically, feel better that the Knicks got two first round picks and don’t mind them until they actually become really ours, which we don’t know when.

So if you care about instant gratification, hope that NY can turn Jordan and Mathews into draft picks in this decade.

Yah

If Dallas ends up in the top 5. The Knicks will get that pick. If they end up outside the top 5 then that pick goes to ATL forcing Knicks to wait until 2021.

Is this confirmed? Haven't seen this anywhere...


That's what I got from this Bondy tweet. Knicks get the 2021 pick unless Dallas 2019 pick lands inside the top 5. They traded the pick to ATL with top 5 protection. So based off this tweet. They traded the 2019 pick to the Knicks if its 1-5 or it will go to ATL if its 6-30.

So if Dallas 2019 pick falls 1-5 do we get it or Dallas keeps it for themselves??

Uptown @ 1/31/2019 8:21 PM
newyorknewyork wrote:
Uptown wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
Knicksfan wrote:
homeskillitprigioni wrote:How did the Knicks get ripped off so hard that the 2023 pick is a protected one? This seems like a deal where the Knicks just said yes to everything and basically ensured they wouldn't get anything great back.

It’s unprotected in 2025.

And we don’t exactly get the 2021 yet. We get it if Atlanta gets their pick this year. We get a Dallas pick 2 years after Atlanta gets theirs.

Basically, feel better that the Knicks got two first round picks and don’t mind them until they actually become really ours, which we don’t know when.

So if you care about instant gratification, hope that NY can turn Jordan and Mathews into draft picks in this decade.

Yah

If Dallas ends up in the top 5. The Knicks will get that pick. If they end up outside the top 5 then that pick goes to ATL forcing Knicks to wait until 2021.

Is this confirmed? Haven't seen this anywhere...


That's what I got from this Bondy tweet. Knicks get the 2021 pick unless Dallas 2019 pick lands inside the top 5. They traded the pick to ATL with top 5 protection. So based off this tweet. They traded the 2019 pick to the Knicks if its 1-5 or it will go to ATL if its 6-30.

I'm seeing it the other way around...He said the Knicks need them to finish outside of the top 5 so it can go to ATL. If Knicks get the pick if its top 5, why would the Knicks root for it to land outside of the top 5? I think the Knicks root for ATL to get the pick so it assures us that we get it in 2021...if not, it gets pushed back.

ramtour420 @ 1/31/2019 8:24 PM
newyorknewyork wrote:
Uptown wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
Knicksfan wrote:
homeskillitprigioni wrote:How did the Knicks get ripped off so hard that the 2023 pick is a protected one? This seems like a deal where the Knicks just said yes to everything and basically ensured they wouldn't get anything great back.

It’s unprotected in 2025.

And we don’t exactly get the 2021 yet. We get it if Atlanta gets their pick this year. We get a Dallas pick 2 years after Atlanta gets theirs.

Basically, feel better that the Knicks got two first round picks and don’t mind them until they actually become really ours, which we don’t know when.

So if you care about instant gratification, hope that NY can turn Jordan and Mathews into draft picks in this decade.

Yah

If Dallas ends up in the top 5. The Knicks will get that pick. If they end up outside the top 5 then that pick goes to ATL forcing Knicks to wait until 2021.

Is this confirmed? Haven't seen this anywhere...


That's what I got from this Bondy tweet. Knicks get the 2021 pick unless Dallas 2019 pick lands inside the top 5. They traded the pick to ATL with top 5 protection. So based off this tweet. They traded the 2019 pick to the Knicks if its 1-5 or it will go to ATL if its 6-30.

Hmm, you cannot trade same pick twice. I believe you have my stapler. So if we trade our pick to a team and protect it , umm say top 5, then we can trade the next pick to another team kinda but not really if the protection comes through? What kind of whack double dipping is that? or am i missing something?

nykshaknbake @ 1/31/2019 8:25 PM
Uptown wrote:
nykshaknbake wrote:I'm stunned. Isn't the whole point of drafting to get players like Porzingis homegrown? All the players we are getting are useless and dsj is a big question mark. That Dallas pick isn't going to be any good either. If we aren't getting Durant and another prime player in free agency I'm done with this team for a long time.

Isn't the point of getting a high draft pick is to get lucky and land a generational player like Durant, develop him and hopefully win championships? We have a opportunity to get a league MVP, Finals MVP and champion and perhaps the best player in the league still in his prime . You would rather have KP over Durant?


If we traded for Durant that's one thing. Trading for cap space does not equal landing Durant. I would rather have KP then cap space that given the Knicks history the cap space goes to resign DeAndre Jordan or someone like Jabari Parker who can anchor us to the bottom of the standings while capped out.
fitzfarm @ 1/31/2019 8:25 PM
I doubt the Knicks make this move, unless they got a promise from Durant.

The fact that kp was telling people not to come here, might have been leaked by Durant. WTF glad the drama queen is gone, also would make sense he got traded so fast. I bet he never plays a full season, more then bet let’s put the curse on him now.


KP is a B I t c h, he could never handle New York from the beginning.

Next year,

ankurk @ 1/31/2019 8:27 PM
ramtour420 wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
Uptown wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
Knicksfan wrote:
homeskillitprigioni wrote:How did the Knicks get ripped off so hard that the 2023 pick is a protected one? This seems like a deal where the Knicks just said yes to everything and basically ensured they wouldn't get anything great back.

It’s unprotected in 2025.

And we don’t exactly get the 2021 yet. We get it if Atlanta gets their pick this year. We get a Dallas pick 2 years after Atlanta gets theirs.

Basically, feel better that the Knicks got two first round picks and don’t mind them until they actually become really ours, which we don’t know when.

So if you care about instant gratification, hope that NY can turn Jordan and Mathews into draft picks in this decade.

Yah

If Dallas ends up in the top 5. The Knicks will get that pick. If they end up outside the top 5 then that pick goes to ATL forcing Knicks to wait until 2021.

Is this confirmed? Haven't seen this anywhere...


That's what I got from this Bondy tweet. Knicks get the 2021 pick unless Dallas 2019 pick lands inside the top 5. They traded the pick to ATL with top 5 protection. So based off this tweet. They traded the 2019 pick to the Knicks if its 1-5 or it will go to ATL if its 6-30.

Hmm, you cannot trade same pick twice. I believe you have my stapler. So if we trade our pick to a team and protect it , umm say top 5, then we can trade the same pick to another team? What kind of whack double dipping is that? or am i missing something?


Can anyone confirm this?
If true theres a decent chance dallas pick ends up top 5 this year. With KP out dallas is a garbage team in the west and only 2-3 wins above the 5th worst record before this trade.

No way a lineup of Burke, Hardaway, Doncic, Barnes, Kleber competes way better than the garbage we send out every night.

homeskillitprigioni @ 1/31/2019 8:28 PM
newyorknewyork wrote:
Uptown wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
Knicksfan wrote:
homeskillitprigioni wrote:How did the Knicks get ripped off so hard that the 2023 pick is a protected one? This seems like a deal where the Knicks just said yes to everything and basically ensured they wouldn't get anything great back.

It’s unprotected in 2025.

And we don’t exactly get the 2021 yet. We get it if Atlanta gets their pick this year. We get a Dallas pick 2 years after Atlanta gets theirs.

Basically, feel better that the Knicks got two first round picks and don’t mind them until they actually become really ours, which we don’t know when.

So if you care about instant gratification, hope that NY can turn Jordan and Mathews into draft picks in this decade.

Yah

If Dallas ends up in the top 5. The Knicks will get that pick. If they end up outside the top 5 then that pick goes to ATL forcing Knicks to wait until 2021.

Is this confirmed? Haven't seen this anywhere...


That's what I got from this Bondy tweet. Knicks get the 2021 pick unless Dallas 2019 pick lands inside the top 5. They traded the pick to ATL with top 5 protection. So based off this tweet. They traded the 2019 pick to the Knicks if its 1-5 or it will go to ATL if its 6-30.

Nope. That's the kind of condition a good GM may have gotten. For us, it means the pick is that much more delayed if that pick lands inside the top 5. We might not get anything back on this deal for many years.

TLover @ 1/31/2019 8:29 PM
Only way I can justify this trade is if we flip those assets into AD
fwk00 @ 1/31/2019 8:29 PM
Looks like we had to sacrifice Hardaway, CLee, and Burke to get rid of the Latvian Ringling Brothers (Janis the Anus and Porky). I won't miss them. More toxic than the Ball family.

In reverse engineering this, my speculation is that the Knicks were very nervous about resigning Porzingis without health caveats written into the contract. Again, guessing Janis as proxy for KP was trying to micromanage the new contract as well as the direction of the team the way Lebron man-handles his coaches and FO's. KP is a piece of work.

We'll see how long the KP/Doncic love-fest lasts. Familiarity will breed contempt.

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I love this trade on many levels. First, the FO managed to bundle *all* the misfit contracts (sans Kanter) into one single trade that eliminates that headache of trying to make four trades. This deserves big-time kudos in and of itself.

Another nice perk is that we shipped out four for three. That opens a roster spot. Nice.

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Perry, when he signed THJ, said something to the effect that they had analyzed who was available and pounced on THJ because he was young and heading in the right direction. Smith was not on the radar then. So with this trade, Perry recalibrates that calculation and lands a similar player (with fewer rough edges) on a much more attractive contract. Nice.

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I am a big CLee fan. Cuban did well. OTOH, I am a big Wes Matthews fan as well. I hope he sticks, he's a helluva good player.

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If DeAndre kisses the Garden floor I'm gonna lose it.

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Sounds like Porzingis said he would not sign long-term with NO thus (from KP's point of view) killing an AD exchange. As I look at this trade I can't help but feel that maybe NY is just stock-piling picks to continue to try to lure AD.

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IMO, genius GMing.

Uptown @ 1/31/2019 8:30 PM
nykshaknbake wrote:
Uptown wrote:
nykshaknbake wrote:I'm stunned. Isn't the whole point of drafting to get players like Porzingis homegrown? All the players we are getting are useless and dsj is a big question mark. That Dallas pick isn't going to be any good either. If we aren't getting Durant and another prime player in free agency I'm done with this team for a long time.

Isn't the point of getting a high draft pick is to get lucky and land a generational player like Durant, develop him and hopefully win championships? We have a opportunity to get a league MVP, Finals MVP and champion and perhaps the best player in the league still in his prime . You would rather have KP over Durant?


If we traded for Durant that's one thing. Trading for cap space does not equal landing Durant. I would rather have KP then cap space that given the Knicks history the cap space goes to resign DeAndre Jordan or someone like Jabari Parker who can anchor us to the bottom of the standings while capped out.

Would rather move on from a player who wants to be traded, a player who doesn't want to be here, a player who according to SAS may be sabotaging us from getting free agents by telling them not to come, a player who may walk in a year and we are left with nothing...In the end we get 1st round draft picks, a young pg, anf cap space that can allow us to get max players or hit the reset button...

Uptown @ 1/31/2019 8:33 PM
fwk00 wrote:Looks like we had to sacrifice Hardaway, CLee, and Burke to get rid of the Latvian Ringling Brothers (Janis the Anus and Porky). I won't miss them. More toxic than the Ball family.

In reverse engineering this, my speculation is that the Knicks were very nervous about resigning Porzingis without health caveats written into the contract. Again, guessing Janis as proxy for KP was trying to micromanage the new contract as well as the direction of the team the way Lebron man-handles his coaches and FO's. KP is a piece of work.

We'll see how long the KP/Doncic love-fest lasts. Familiarity will breed contempt.

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I love this trade on many levels. First, the FO managed to bundle *all* the misfit contracts (sans Kanter) into one single trade that eliminates that headache of trying to make four trades. This deserves big-time kudos in and of itself.

Another nice perk is that we shipped out four for three. That opens a roster spot. Nice.

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Perry, when he signed THJ, said something to the effect that they had analyzed who was available and pounced on THJ because he was young and heading in the right direction. Smith was not on the radar then. So with this trade, Perry recalibrates that calculation and lands a similar player (with fewer rough edges) on a much more attractive contract. Nice.

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I am a big CLee fan. Cuban did well. OTOH, I am a big Wes Matthews fan as well. I hope he sticks, he's a helluva good player.

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If DeAndre kisses the Garden floor I'm gonna lose it.

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Sounds like Porzingis said he would not sign long-term with NO thus (from KP's point of view) killing an AD exchange. As I look at this trade I can't help but feel that maybe NY is just stock-piling picks to continue to try to lure AD.

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IMO, genius GMing.

Perry didn't sign Hardaway; Mills made the trade before Perry came on board...

StarksEwing1 @ 1/31/2019 8:34 PM
Uptown wrote:
nykshaknbake wrote:
Uptown wrote:
nykshaknbake wrote:I'm stunned. Isn't the whole point of drafting to get players like Porzingis homegrown? All the players we are getting are useless and dsj is a big question mark. That Dallas pick isn't going to be any good either. If we aren't getting Durant and another prime player in free agency I'm done with this team for a long time.

Isn't the point of getting a high draft pick is to get lucky and land a generational player like Durant, develop him and hopefully win championships? We have a opportunity to get a league MVP, Finals MVP and champion and perhaps the best player in the league still in his prime . You would rather have KP over Durant?


If we traded for Durant that's one thing. Trading for cap space does not equal landing Durant. I would rather have KP then cap space that given the Knicks history the cap space goes to resign DeAndre Jordan or someone like Jabari Parker who can anchor us to the bottom of the standings while capped out.

Would rather move on from a player who wants to be traded, a player who doesn't want to be here, a player who according to SAS may be sabotaging us from getting free agents by telling them not to come, a player who may walk in a year and we are left with nothing...In the end we get 1st round draft picks, a young pg, anf cap space that can allow us to get max players or hit the reset button...

Agreed after pulling that crap he needed to be shown the the door. Also a lot of KP's appeal is potential. His third year he got off to a great start then slowed down until the injury. His injuries are a concern. We were never getting a monster package so the fact that we got 2 firsts, a young lottery pick in smith,and the chance to sign 2 top FA is pretty good
ramtour420 @ 1/31/2019 8:35 PM
TLover wrote:Only way I can justify this trade is if we flip those assets into AD

Or if we land a franchise talent in the draft. Or if we Sign a couple of franchise players with the cap. or both. or If KP cannot stay healthy full season into the playoffs. or if KPs brother again tells him to do some whack $hit again. So many IFs to justify this trade

homeskillitprigioni @ 1/31/2019 8:35 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:
homeskillitprigioni wrote:How did the Knicks get ripped off so hard that the 2023 pick is a protected one? This seems like a deal where the Knicks just said yes to everything and basically ensured they wouldn't get anything great back.
very rarely do you get two unprotected first round picks even for better players who arent injured. Look obviously you think we got shit back but being fair getting back two first(one unprotected and one only top 10 protected) for a player who has had one all star year and has injury issues isnt bad

It is bad, for a franchise player type of talent. One pick that you know for sure won't be top 10 and the other that's in this Doncic window or could be delayed even more if the Mavs get a top 5 pick this year 100% is shitty value. That and an underwhelming 2nd year player. Let's look at it for what it really is...a salary dump. To get rid of contracts that Mills himself was stupid enough to give out.

If the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he doesn't exist...Mills pulling credit for getting rid of the trash he compiled is a super close 2nd.

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