... comes back and is a step slower. What if he loses some athleticism from before the injury. All I hear everyone talk about is how we gave up a superstar for nothing, but ignoring the fact that this guy is coming of major knee surgery. No one knows how a 7 foot 3inch thin player will respond to major knee surgery. His center of gravity is very high and is at risk for repeat injury. There are very reports of how his rehab is going. I have not seen many videos of him being explosive in practice or otherwise. I also remember that he had 30 great games and then started to fade even before his ACL tear. It’s not like we traded AD for nothing. This is not even considering the fact that he asked for a trade and did not want to be here. If we waited for him to reject a long term deal this summer and sign a qualifying offer rather than test restricted free agency, we would have been completely screwed. No leverage at that point for a fair trade. Not to mention that KP acts like a diva. He has not been established enough in his career to be making these kinds of trade demands. Heck even Towns did not ask for trade and he is better than KP.
Now he may comeback and become a top 5 NBA player and lead Dallas to NBA championship but there are just as many IF’s with KP as there with the knicks after this trade. Remember we got essentially 3 FRPs and 2 max slots for this offseason. Not too bad IMHO.
KP has all the potential in the world but although he has been good he hasnt set the NBA on fire yet THEN he tears his ACL which is always a red flag. He hasnt played in a long time, his frame makes another injury very likely,and he has some very bad management around him. Became too much of a risk on and off the court. Obviously him not thanking the fans and telling other players not to come here is another reason he needed to go. I used to be a big fan and defended him but im glad its over to be honest. Maybe he proves me wrong and has a healthy career and becomes a top 3 player but like you said a lot of IF's
nyk2017 wrote:... comes back and is a step slower. What if he loses some athleticism from before the injury. All I hear everyone talk about is how we gave up a superstar for nothing, but ignoring the fact that this guy is coming of major knee surgery. No one knows how a 7 foot 3inch thin player will respond to major knee surgery. His center of gravity is very high and is at risk for repeat injury. There are very reports of how his rehab is going. I have not seen many videos of him being explosive in practice or otherwise. I also remember that he had 30 great games and then started to fade even before his ACL tear. It’s not like we traded AD for nothing. This is not even considering the fact that he asked for a trade and did not want to be here. If we waited for him to reject a long term deal this summer and sign a qualifying offer rather than test restricted free agency, we would have been completely screwed. No leverage at that point for a fair trade. Not to mention that KP acts like a diva. He has not been established enough in his career to be making these kinds of trade demands. Heck even Towns did not ask for trade and he is better than KP. Now he may comeback and become a top 5 NBA player and lead Dallas to NBA championship but there are just as many IF’s with KP as there with the knicks after this trade. Remember we got essentially 3 FRPs and 2 max slots for this offseason. Not too bad IMHO.
It's 2019 and he's 23 years old. Medical procedures improve they don't regress. Pretty good chance he comes back 100%.
StarksEwing1 wrote:KP has all the potential in the world but although he has been good he hasnt set the NBA on fire yet THEN he tears his ACL which is always a red flag. He hasnt played in a long time, his frame makes another injury very likely,and he has some very bad management around him. Became too much of a risk on and off the court. Obviously him not thanking the fans and telling other players not to come here is another reason he needed to go. I used to be a big fan and defended him but im glad its over to be honest. Maybe he proves me wrong and has a healthy career and becomes a top 3 player but like you said a lot of IF's
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Look we all want the knicks to win. But lets be realistic we are a young team who will be without our best player for most if not all the year. KP isnt going anywhere no matter how many games we win. Free agents understand the situation but they also understand the knicks are compiling a lot of good young talent that makes us more attractive than previous year. Also getting another top pick is another great thing.
one day you will listen to me, this way you wouldn't sound so clueless
knicks1248 wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:KP has all the potential in the world but although he has been good he hasnt set the NBA on fire yet THEN he tears his ACL which is always a red flag. He hasnt played in a long time, his frame makes another injury very likely,and he has some very bad management around him. Became too much of a risk on and off the court. Obviously him not thanking the fans and telling other players not to come here is another reason he needed to go. I used to be a big fan and defended him but im glad its over to be honest. Maybe he proves me wrong and has a healthy career and becomes a top 3 player but like you said a lot of IF's
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Look we all want the knicks to win. But lets be realistic we are a young team who will be without our best player for most if not all the year. KP isnt going anywhere no matter how many games we win. Free agents understand the situation but they also understand the knicks are compiling a lot of good young talent that makes us more attractive than previous year. Also getting another top pick is another great thing.
one day you will listen to me, this way you wouldn't sound so clueless
Wow Rainman good for. True I underestimated what a Jackass KP turned out to be so now I know. You finally got something right after 15 years....lets get you a medal Rainman
Welpee wrote:nyk2017 wrote:... comes back and is a step slower. What if he loses some athleticism from before the injury. All I hear everyone talk about is how we gave up a superstar for nothing, but ignoring the fact that this guy is coming of major knee surgery. No one knows how a 7 foot 3inch thin player will respond to major knee surgery. His center of gravity is very high and is at risk for repeat injury. There are very reports of how his rehab is going. I have not seen many videos of him being explosive in practice or otherwise. I also remember that he had 30 great games and then started to fade even before his ACL tear. It’s not like we traded AD for nothing. This is not even considering the fact that he asked for a trade and did not want to be here. If we waited for him to reject a long term deal this summer and sign a qualifying offer rather than test restricted free agency, we would have been completely screwed. No leverage at that point for a fair trade. Not to mention that KP acts like a diva. He has not been established enough in his career to be making these kinds of trade demands. Heck even Towns did not ask for trade and he is better than KP. Now he may comeback and become a top 5 NBA player and lead Dallas to NBA championship but there are just as many IF’s with KP as there with the knicks after this trade. Remember we got essentially 3 FRPs and 2 max slots for this offseason. Not too bad IMHO.
It's 2019 and he's 23 years old. Medical procedures improve they don't regress. Pretty good chance he comes back 100%.
I don't think that's how it works. Medical procedures improve injuries, which have already made a player regress.
Or what if he is a superstar in 2 years?
You can’t say if he were an unrestricted free agent
That teams wouldn’t be lining up to max him out
Because they would be
We don’t really know where he will be at
However the chances of us getting a better player anytime soon are very low
It takes a special player to became winner in NY.
KP had a chance but decided that is not worth it.
Every man is a maker of his own destiny.
Welpee wrote:nyk2017 wrote:... comes back and is a step slower. What if he loses some athleticism from before the injury. All I hear everyone talk about is how we gave up a superstar for nothing, but ignoring the fact that this guy is coming of major knee surgery. No one knows how a 7 foot 3inch thin player will respond to major knee surgery. His center of gravity is very high and is at risk for repeat injury. There are very reports of how his rehab is going. I have not seen many videos of him being explosive in practice or otherwise. I also remember that he had 30 great games and then started to fade even before his ACL tear. It’s not like we traded AD for nothing. This is not even considering the fact that he asked for a trade and did not want to be here. If we waited for him to reject a long term deal this summer and sign a qualifying offer rather than test restricted free agency, we would have been completely screwed. No leverage at that point for a fair trade. Not to mention that KP acts like a diva. He has not been established enough in his career to be making these kinds of trade demands. Heck even Towns did not ask for trade and he is better than KP. Now he may comeback and become a top 5 NBA player and lead Dallas to NBA championship but there are just as many IF’s with KP as there with the knicks after this trade. Remember we got essentially 3 FRPs and 2 max slots for this offseason. Not too bad IMHO.
It's 2019 and he's 23 years old. Medical procedures improve they don't regress. Pretty good chance he comes back 100%.
exactly...just look at Kawhi
knicks1248 wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:KP has all the potential in the world but although he has been good he hasnt set the NBA on fire yet THEN he tears his ACL which is always a red flag. He hasnt played in a long time, his frame makes another injury very likely,and he has some very bad management around him. Became too much of a risk on and off the court. Obviously him not thanking the fans and telling other players not to come here is another reason he needed to go. I used to be a big fan and defended him but im glad its over to be honest. Maybe he proves me wrong and has a healthy career and becomes a top 3 player but like you said a lot of IF's
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Look we all want the knicks to win. But lets be realistic we are a young team who will be without our best player for most if not all the year. KP isnt going anywhere no matter how many games we win. Free agents understand the situation but they also understand the knicks are compiling a lot of good young talent that makes us more attractive than previous year. Also getting another top pick is another great thing.
one day you will listen to me, this way you wouldn't sound so clueless
yes, all will be forgiven and we will finally realize thats we shoulda listened to you more. Everyone will be happier . The children will run through the streets shouting your name in joy. Yeah, ok
ramtour420 wrote:knicks1248 wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:KP has all the potential in the world but although he has been good he hasnt set the NBA on fire yet THEN he tears his ACL which is always a red flag. He hasnt played in a long time, his frame makes another injury very likely,and he has some very bad management around him. Became too much of a risk on and off the court. Obviously him not thanking the fans and telling other players not to come here is another reason he needed to go. I used to be a big fan and defended him but im glad its over to be honest. Maybe he proves me wrong and has a healthy career and becomes a top 3 player but like you said a lot of IF's
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Look we all want the knicks to win. But lets be realistic we are a young team who will be without our best player for most if not all the year. KP isnt going anywhere no matter how many games we win. Free agents understand the situation but they also understand the knicks are compiling a lot of good young talent that makes us more attractive than previous year. Also getting another top pick is another great thing.
one day you will listen to me, this way you wouldn't sound so clueless
yes, all will be forgiven and we will finally realize thats we shoulda listened to you more. Everyone will be happier . The children will run through the streets shouting your name in joy. Yeah, ok
lol that made me laugh. Rainman doesn't get that a broken clock tells the correct time twice a day.
Cartman718 wrote:ramtour420 wrote:knicks1248 wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:KP has all the potential in the world but although he has been good he hasnt set the NBA on fire yet THEN he tears his ACL which is always a red flag. He hasnt played in a long time, his frame makes another injury very likely,and he has some very bad management around him. Became too much of a risk on and off the court. Obviously him not thanking the fans and telling other players not to come here is another reason he needed to go. I used to be a big fan and defended him but im glad its over to be honest. Maybe he proves me wrong and has a healthy career and becomes a top 3 player but like you said a lot of IF's
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Look we all want the knicks to win. But lets be realistic we are a young team who will be without our best player for most if not all the year. KP isnt going anywhere no matter how many games we win. Free agents understand the situation but they also understand the knicks are compiling a lot of good young talent that makes us more attractive than previous year. Also getting another top pick is another great thing.
one day you will listen to me, this way you wouldn't sound so clueless
yes, all will be forgiven and we will finally realize thats we shoulda listened to you more. Everyone will be happier . The children will run through the streets shouting your name in joy. Yeah, ok
lol that made me laugh. Rainman doesn't get that a broken clock tells the correct time twice a day.
LOL. Rainman spends too much time talking to his Spike Lee cardboard cutout to know what is going on
Cartman718 wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:Cartman718 wrote:ramtour420 wrote:knicks1248 wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:KP has all the potential in the world but although he has been good he hasnt set the NBA on fire yet THEN he tears his ACL which is always a red flag. He hasnt played in a long time, his frame makes another injury very likely,and he has some very bad management around him. Became too much of a risk on and off the court. Obviously him not thanking the fans and telling other players not to come here is another reason he needed to go. I used to be a big fan and defended him but im glad its over to be honest. Maybe he proves me wrong and has a healthy career and becomes a top 3 player but like you said a lot of IF's
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Look we all want the knicks to win. But lets be realistic we are a young team who will be without our best player for most if not all the year. KP isnt going anywhere no matter how many games we win. Free agents understand the situation but they also understand the knicks are compiling a lot of good young talent that makes us more attractive than previous year. Also getting another top pick is another great thing.
one day you will listen to me, this way you wouldn't sound so clueless
yes, all will be forgiven and we will finally realize thats we shoulda listened to you more. Everyone will be happier . The children will run through the streets shouting your name in joy. Yeah, ok
lol that made me laugh. Rainman doesn't get that a broken clock tells the correct time twice a day.
LOL. Rainman spends too much time talking to his Spike Lee cardboard cutout to know what is going on
RAINMAN finally told the truth...he is tight with Spike lol
Welpee wrote:nyk2017 wrote:... comes back and is a step slower. What if he loses some athleticism from before the injury. All I hear everyone talk about is how we gave up a superstar for nothing, but ignoring the fact that this guy is coming of major knee surgery. No one knows how a 7 foot 3inch thin player will respond to major knee surgery. His center of gravity is very high and is at risk for repeat injury. There are very reports of how his rehab is going. I have not seen many videos of him being explosive in practice or otherwise. I also remember that he had 30 great games and then started to fade even before his ACL tear. It’s not like we traded AD for nothing. This is not even considering the fact that he asked for a trade and did not want to be here. If we waited for him to reject a long term deal this summer and sign a qualifying offer rather than test restricted free agency, we would have been completely screwed. No leverage at that point for a fair trade. Not to mention that KP acts like a diva. He has not been established enough in his career to be making these kinds of trade demands. Heck even Towns did not ask for trade and he is better than KP. Now he may comeback and become a top 5 NBA player and lead Dallas to NBA championship but there are just as many IF’s with KP as there with the knicks after this trade. Remember we got essentially 3 FRPs and 2 max slots for this offseason. Not too bad IMHO.
It's 2019 and he's 23 years old. Medical procedures improve they don't regress. Pretty good chance he comes back 100%.
Just like Gordon Hayword, right.
Haywood is 50 games back form an injury that used to end careers. It takes time.
Time......
nyk2017 wrote:Welpee wrote:nyk2017 wrote:... comes back and is a step slower. What if he loses some athleticism from before the injury. All I hear everyone talk about is how we gave up a superstar for nothing, but ignoring the fact that this guy is coming of major knee surgery. No one knows how a 7 foot 3inch thin player will respond to major knee surgery. His center of gravity is very high and is at risk for repeat injury. There are very reports of how his rehab is going. I have not seen many videos of him being explosive in practice or otherwise. I also remember that he had 30 great games and then started to fade even before his ACL tear. It’s not like we traded AD for nothing. This is not even considering the fact that he asked for a trade and did not want to be here. If we waited for him to reject a long term deal this summer and sign a qualifying offer rather than test restricted free agency, we would have been completely screwed. No leverage at that point for a fair trade. Not to mention that KP acts like a diva. He has not been established enough in his career to be making these kinds of trade demands. Heck even Towns did not ask for trade and he is better than KP. Now he may comeback and become a top 5 NBA player and lead Dallas to NBA championship but there are just as many IF’s with KP as there with the knicks after this trade. Remember we got essentially 3 FRPs and 2 max slots for this offseason. Not too bad IMHO.
It's 2019 and he's 23 years old. Medical procedures improve they don't regress. Pretty good chance he comes back 100%.
Just like Gordon Hayword, right.
He also isn't 7'3". You guys realize these guys don't last. They will get 1 contract out of him before his game falls off a cliff.
Go back to KP's rookie year and you will find that I said that this might happen when Phil was here. Even though players like KP usually stick on their rookie deals.
KP could come back 100 percent from this injury. Doesnt mean he wont be susceptible to other injuries. If KP stayed, he would likely be carrying the bulk of the load. Has yet to show that he is physically up to the job. Potential FAs might pass before they see KP play at an elite level for more than a handful of games.Before they commit.
Would have been pleased if KP stayed, but he clearly doesnt want to be here, and doesnt care about draft picks. By the end KP was acting like he had already arrived.
Porzingis is an injury prone player, who has yet to fufill his potential, we are getting 1st rounders, a talented PG who has shown he can ball, but needs to play more in control. As Uptown pointed out, maybe Fizdale can help him with that.
GustavBahler wrote:Go back to KP's rookie year and you will find that I said that this might happen when Phil was here. Even though players like KP usually stick on their rookie deals. KP could come back 100 percent from this injury. Doesnt mean he wont be susceptible to other injuries. If KP stayed, he would likely be carrying the bulk of the load. Has yet to show that he is physically up to the job. Potential FAs might pass before they see KP play at an elite level for more than a handful of games.Before they commit.
Would have been pleased if KP stayed, but he clearly doesnt want to be here, and doesnt care about draft picks. By the end KP was acting like he had already arrived.
Porzingis is an injury prone player, who has yet to fufill his potential, we are getting 1st rounders, a talented PG who has shown he can ball, but needs to play more in control. As Uptown pointed out, maybe Fizdale can help him with that.
Exactly how I feel Gustav
It will take him a year to get back to where he was, this is just the facts of the ACL injury aftemath. This is ONLY if he does not get hurt again in another part of the body.
At his size, he will likely be injured again sooner rather than later. NY FO made a wise decision here. I am not sying he wont be good again and maybe great but the risk is higher than the reward, IMO.
KP definitely wanted to be here, as in NYC and for NY fans. No one can legitimately doubt that
What he didn't want was a crappy organization with a clueless FO, and a questionable coach -- whose best year was a smidge over .500 on a pretty good team, and then fired because he couldn't finish games and got his best player pissed at him
Luka, KP and Barnes are going to start rocking as the Warriors break up; our draft picks will be in the mid 20s or higher
