Knicks · Cap breakdown for knicks free agency 2019 (page 1)

The detailed cap breakdown is:

Salary cap: $109mil

Max Contracts for 10yrs plus $38.2mil
Max contracts for 7-9 Year vets: $32.7mil
Max Contracts for 6yrs or less: $27.3mil

Knicks roster:

Noah Cap hold: $6.4mil
Lance buy out remnant: $1mil

Frank: $4.9mil
Dennis Jr: $4.5mil
Knox: $4.4mil
Mitch: $1.6mil
Dotson: $1.6mil
Trier: $3.5mil
Draft pick: $5mil for 5th to $8mil for 1st

Kornet: early bird hold: $2.1mil

Mud: hold $5.7mil

MLE (for teams that are under the cap then spend up to it): $4.7mil

So assuming we dump Mud, but keep Kornet, and including the salary for the no 1 pick in the draft , that would leave us with $71mil free

Deduct one max 7-9yr players for $32.7mil(as Kyrie) and one $38.2mil (KD), leaves us with basically zero cap space (a few hundred thousand), however, as you have to have a minimum of 12 players on the roster, you have to also add the minimum salary cap holds to make up the short fall (it's $0.9mil per slot), so in the above scenario where we sign 2 max's, keep all our young players except Mud, keep kornet and buyout Lance, that brings us to 10 players on the roster, so we'd need to add $1.8mil to the cap holds. Which means unless we renounce Kornet, we will be just short of being able to max out KD if we land the no 1 pick (I think, I did round up some salaries so that might make the difference).

We'd then need to round up the roster with just minimum contracts and the MLE which would be $4.7mil early bird.

So not a hope in hell of keeping DeAndre Jordan (a shames he's best friends with KD and might have helped attract him), maybe you get lucky with Vonleh and he agrees to the MLE.

Also, it means we can't take on ANY salary at the trade deadline, even young players on $2mil deals.

Call me naive, but I have to hope if KD wants to come here, he’d be ok a few million off his max deal. He’d definitely make it up 10x with endorsement deals. And I assume he might also do a 1 and 1 type deal, so he might be able to max out next year vs. this (in terms of total contract/years.)

Also sad as I’d love to keep Mudiay, but with Smith and potentially Kylie as the #2 guy, makes zero chance. Maybe we can trade him for an ending contract & future 2nd rounder?

smackeddog wrote:The detailed cap breakdown is:

Salary cap: $109mil

Max Contracts for 10yrs plus $38.2mil
Max contracts for 7-9 Year vets: $32.7mil
Max Contracts for 6yrs or less: $27.3mil

Knicks roster:

Noah Cap hold: $6.4mil
Lance buy out remnant: $1mil

Frank: $4.9mil
Dennis Jr: $4.5mil
Knox: $4.4mil
Mitch: $1.6mil
Dotson: $1.6mil
Trier: $3.5mil
Draft pick: $5mil for 5th to $8mil for 1st

Kornet: early bird hold: $2.1mil

Mud: hold $5.7mil

MLE (for teams that are under the cap then spend up to it): $4.7mil

So assuming we dump Mud, but keep Kornet, and including the salary for the no 1 pick in the draft , that would leave us with $71mil free

Deduct one max 7-9yr players for $32.7mil(as Kyrie) and one $38.2mil (KD), leaves us with basically zero cap space (a few hundred thousand), however, as you have to have a minimum of 12 players on the roster, you have to also add the minimum salary cap holds to make up the short fall (it's $0.9mil per slot), so in the above scenario where we sign 2 max's, keep all our young players except Mud, keep kornet and buyout Lance, that brings us to 10 players on the roster, so we'd need to add $1.8mil to the cap holds. Which means unless we renounce Kornet, we will be just short of being able to max out KD if we land the no 1 pick (I think, I did round up some salaries so that might make the difference).

We'd then need to round up the roster with just minimum contracts and the MLE which would be $4.7mil early bird.

So not a hope in hell of keeping DeAndre Jordan (a shames he's best friends with KD and might have helped attract him), maybe you get lucky with Vonleh and he agrees to the MLE.

Also, it means we can't take on ANY salary at the trade deadline, even young players on $2mil deals.

Nice breakdown. If Kyrie is signed then I doubt they keep Smith jr. While Smith is more talented than Frank. He would more likely want out if not starting. If they then decide to play them together as PG/SG combo. Then Trier would be the one on the move.

Pretty sure you need to renounce your MLE when you use cap space to sign players

Andrew wrote:Pretty sure you need to renounce your MLE when you use cap space to sign players

This is the new MLE that was brought in at the last cba' it's less than the normal MLE and is for teams that are under the cap and spend up to reach it.

franco12 wrote:Call me naive, but I have to hope if KD wants to come here, he’d be ok a few million off his max deal. He’d definitely make it up 10x with endorsement deals. And I assume he might also do a 1 and 1 type deal, so he might be able to max out next year vs. this (in terms of total contract/years.)

Also sad as I’d love to keep Mudiay, but with Smith and potentially Kylie as the #2 guy, makes zero chance. Maybe we can trade him for an ending contract & future 2nd rounder?

Unfortunately he already said he wants the max money he's entitled to this time (he's given up a fair bit by being with the warriors)

newyorknewyork wrote:

smackeddog wrote:The detailed cap breakdown is:

Salary cap: $109mil

Max Contracts for 10yrs plus $38.2mil
Max contracts for 7-9 Year vets: $32.7mil
Max Contracts for 6yrs or less: $27.3mil

Knicks roster:

Noah Cap hold: $6.4mil
Lance buy out remnant: $1mil

Frank: $4.9mil
Dennis Jr: $4.5mil
Knox: $4.4mil
Mitch: $1.6mil
Dotson: $1.6mil
Trier: $3.5mil
Draft pick: $5mil for 5th to $8mil for 1st

Kornet: early bird hold: $2.1mil

Mud: hold $5.7mil

MLE (for teams that are under the cap then spend up to it): $4.7mil

So assuming we dump Mud, but keep Kornet, and including the salary for the no 1 pick in the draft , that would leave us with $71mil free

Deduct one max 7-9yr players for $32.7mil(as Kyrie) and one $38.2mil (KD), leaves us with basically zero cap space (a few hundred thousand), however, as you have to have a minimum of 12 players on the roster, you have to also add the minimum salary cap holds to make up the short fall (it's $0.9mil per slot), so in the above scenario where we sign 2 max's, keep all our young players except Mud, keep kornet and buyout Lance, that brings us to 10 players on the roster, so we'd need to add $1.8mil to the cap holds. Which means unless we renounce Kornet, we will be just short of being able to max out KD if we land the no 1 pick (I think, I did round up some salaries so that might make the difference).

We'd then need to round up the roster with just minimum contracts and the MLE which would be $4.7mil early bird.

So not a hope in hell of keeping DeAndre Jordan (a shames he's best friends with KD and might have helped attract him), maybe you get lucky with Vonleh and he agrees to the MLE.

Also, it means we can't take on ANY salary at the trade deadline, even young players on $2mil deals.

Nice breakdown. If Kyrie is signed then I doubt they keep Smith jr. While Smith is more talented than Frank. He would more likely want out if not starting. If they then decide to play them together as PG/SG combo. Then Trier would be the one on the move.

Dennis Smith Jr makes less sense if we had Kyrie lined up- I'd rather have a front court player for that salary, seeing as how tight things will be filling out the rest of the roster

smackeddog wrote:

Andrew wrote:Pretty sure you need to renounce your MLE when you use cap space to sign players

This is the new MLE that was brought in at the last cba' it's less than the normal MLE and is for teams that are under the cap and spend up to reach it.

Ah...thanks.

Andrew wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Andrew wrote:Pretty sure you need to renounce your MLE when you use cap space to sign players

This is the new MLE that was brought in at the last cba' it's less than the normal MLE and is for teams that are under the cap and spend up to reach it.

Ah...thanks.

It's usually referred to as the 'room execption' or 'room MLE'. The last time the Knicks had one, they spent it on Ron Baker (after spending all their cap space on THJ)

CTKnicksfan wrote:

Andrew wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Andrew wrote:Pretty sure you need to renounce your MLE when you use cap space to sign players

This is the new MLE that was brought in at the last cba' it's less than the normal MLE and is for teams that are under the cap and spend up to reach it.

Ah...thanks.

It's usually referred to as the 'room execption' or 'room MLE'. The last time the Knicks had one, they spent it on Ron Baker (after spending all their cap space on THJ)

This is another reason why we should be happy that it's now Perry doing the signings and not Mills cause he's the one that signed Timmy and Baker to bad deals.

Don't forget that when you have a couple of max guys like KD, Kyrie, Kawhi or whatever two we get (if we get two or any that is) that you can get the vets to come play with those guys on cheaper contracts like GSW does and other super teams do.

A couple things i think are possible:

Cap might raise above 109 to about 113M, which gives us more wiggle room.

KD might come here on his own and we resign Jordan (his close friend) and focus on depth.

We will have plenty of assets to execute a trade for a 2nd star when it opens up. In the meantime, we will develop Knox, Smith, and our 1st round pick around KD and Jordan and hoping at least one of them pops.

Something like Jordan, KD, Knox, Barrett, and Smith with Vonleh, Robinson, Dotson, Trier, and Ntilikina off the bench can be a playoff team with plenty of upside going forward with proper player development.

smackeddog wrote:The detailed cap breakdown is:

Salary cap: $109mil

Max Contracts for 10yrs plus $38.2mil
Max contracts for 7-9 Year vets: $32.7mil
Max Contracts for 6yrs or less: $27.3mil

Knicks roster:

Noah Cap hold: $6.4mil
Lance buy out remnant: $1mil

Frank: $4.9mil
Dennis Jr: $4.5mil
Knox: $4.4mil
Mitch: $1.6mil
Dotson: $1.6mil
Trier: $3.5mil
Draft pick: $5mil for 5th to $8mil for 1st

Kornet: early bird hold: $2.1mil

Mud: hold $5.7mil

MLE (for teams that are under the cap then spend up to it): $4.7mil

So assuming we dump Mud, but keep Kornet, and including the salary for the no 1 pick in the draft , that would leave us with $71mil free

Deduct one max 7-9yr players for $32.7mil(as Kyrie) and one $38.2mil (KD), leaves us with basically zero cap space (a few hundred thousand), however, as you have to have a minimum of 12 players on the roster, you have to also add the minimum salary cap holds to make up the short fall (it's $0.9mil per slot), so in the above scenario where we sign 2 max's, keep all our young players except Mud, keep kornet and buyout Lance, that brings us to 10 players on the roster, so we'd need to add $1.8mil to the cap holds. Which means unless we renounce Kornet, we will be just short of being able to max out KD if we land the no 1 pick (I think, I did round up some salaries so that might make the difference).

We'd then need to round up the roster with just minimum contracts and the MLE which would be $4.7mil early bird.

So not a hope in hell of keeping DeAndre Jordan (a shames he's best friends with KD and might have helped attract him), maybe you get lucky with Vonleh and he agrees to the MLE.

Also, it means we can't take on ANY salary at the trade deadline, even young players on $2mil deals.

I know little about these rules but I read an article saying KD's 10+year vet supermax would be 35M and the others would be 30M. So KD+1 would cost 65M, 2max without KD would cost 60M

franco12 wrote:Call me naive, but I have to hope if KD wants to come here, he’d be ok a few million off his max deal. He’d definitely make it up 10x with endorsement deals. And I assume he might also do a 1 and 1 type deal, so he might be able to max out next year vs. this (in terms of total contract/years.)

Also sad as I’d love to keep Mudiay, but with Smith and potentially Kylie as the #2 guy, makes zero chance. Maybe we can trade him for an ending contract & future 2nd rounder?

Your love of Mudiay is blinding you to what his trade value is, it's less than a 2nd rounder unless you are taking back a contract that will save in luxury tax $ for the other team, and even then you will only get a 2nd round pick top 60 protected.

meloshouldgo wrote:

smackeddog wrote:The detailed cap breakdown is:

Salary cap: $109mil

Max Contracts for 10yrs plus $38.2mil
Max contracts for 7-9 Year vets: $32.7mil
Max Contracts for 6yrs or less: $27.3mil

Knicks roster:

Noah Cap hold: $6.4mil
Lance buy out remnant: $1mil

Frank: $4.9mil
Dennis Jr: $4.5mil
Knox: $4.4mil
Mitch: $1.6mil
Dotson: $1.6mil
Trier: $3.5mil
Draft pick: $5mil for 5th to $8mil for 1st

Kornet: early bird hold: $2.1mil

Mud: hold $5.7mil

MLE (for teams that are under the cap then spend up to it): $4.7mil

So assuming we dump Mud, but keep Kornet, and including the salary for the no 1 pick in the draft , that would leave us with $71mil free

Deduct one max 7-9yr players for $32.7mil(as Kyrie) and one $38.2mil (KD), leaves us with basically zero cap space (a few hundred thousand), however, as you have to have a minimum of 12 players on the roster, you have to also add the minimum salary cap holds to make up the short fall (it's $0.9mil per slot), so in the above scenario where we sign 2 max's, keep all our young players except Mud, keep kornet and buyout Lance, that brings us to 10 players on the roster, so we'd need to add $1.8mil to the cap holds. Which means unless we renounce Kornet, we will be just short of being able to max out KD if we land the no 1 pick (I think, I did round up some salaries so that might make the difference).

We'd then need to round up the roster with just minimum contracts and the MLE which would be $4.7mil early bird.

So not a hope in hell of keeping DeAndre Jordan (a shames he's best friends with KD and might have helped attract him), maybe you get lucky with Vonleh and he agrees to the MLE.

Also, it means we can't take on ANY salary at the trade deadline, even young players on $2mil deals.

I know little about these rules but I read an article saying KD's 10+year vet supermax would be 35M and the others would be 30M. So KD+1 would cost 65M, 2max without KD would cost 60M

if you know little about the rules you probably shouldn't post details you can't confirm. There is Google out there to look this stuff up, smackeddog has done a good job of detailing; your numbers are way off.

Knixkik wrote:A couple things i think are possible:

Cap might raise above 109 to about 113M, which gives us more wiggle room.

KD might come here on his own and we resign Jordan (his close friend) and focus on depth.

We will have plenty of assets to execute a trade for a 2nd star when it opens up. In the meantime, we will develop Knox, Smith, and our 1st round pick around KD and Jordan and hoping at least one of them pops.

Something like Jordan, KD, Knox, Barrett, and Smith with Vonleh, Robinson, Dotson, Trier, and Ntilikina off the bench can be a playoff team with plenty of upside going forward with proper player development.

I think the max and rookie salaries set out as a percentage of the salary cap, so increasing the cap wouldn't actually help us, as it would lead to a proportionate increase of the max salary amount and the rookie salary too.

meloshouldgo wrote:

I know little about these rules but I read an article saying KD's 10+year vet supermax would be 35M and the others would be 30M. So KD+1 would cost 65M, 2max without KD would cost 60M

I think you got muddled up- it's 35% (of the salary cap) not 35mil:

Max salaries fall into three major categories. In the simplest scenario, players with 0-6 years of experience are eligible for 25 percent of the salary cap, 7-9 years at 30 percent and 10 years (or over) of years in the league brings that number up to 35 percent

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