Who would you rather have right now? He might not play much defense but that was a hell of a trade the Nets made to get him for nothing.
D Russell has only put it together in his fourth year- DSJ is in his second. D-Russ was not good in his second year. Why do Knick fans love to marvel at other teams players, who took years to develop, while trashing their own players who they don't grant any patience to? (Not aimed at you, but I keep seeing this sort of thing come up on other forums!)
smackeddog wrote:D Russell has only put it together in his fourth year- DSJ is in his second. D-Russ was not good in his second year. Why do Knick fans love to marvel at other teams players, who took years to develop, while trashing their own players who they don't grant any patience to? (Not aimed at you, but I keep seeing this sort of thing come up on other forums!)
This. I do hope another team offers Russell a Porter, Crabbe type deal. Marks has put teams with restricted free agents in a bad position for years.
Brook Lopez was not “Nothing”. Lakers had decided they needed cap space for Lebron and friends.
They had drafted Ball. Great deal for both teams really. Lakers accomplished their objective. Nets “developed”.
not every player ill evolve and find their place but creating opportunities is how you increase your “luck”.
SkyWalker wrote:Who would you rather have right now? He might not play much defense but that was a hell of a trade the Nets made to get him for nothing.
Would absolutely take Russel right now. But at what price? And do you want to,do what LA did with Russel to Smith Jr. Give up,on,him so early?
DSJ no doubt got a bit messed up by Carlisle. Im not laying blame on either. DSJ needed discipline. Having the opportunity to draft Luka changed their plan. Good teams face the reality of a situation and move on. Dallas paid up to draft a player they thought special. Again with KP.
Its acutally a good plan, we'll see if how it executes. Hindsight will be brilliant!
Lakers moved from Russell who provided them doubt. Funny, Media initially blasts knicks for trading an allstar for Cap space but that's exactly what Lakers did. Russell is an allstar!!! Im sure of some of us snickered that the Nets were wasting their time. We did this with mudiay but at a far lower price. If Mud does not stick it was still worth it.
Nets when they hired Marks were very clear they would take their time and have a process. Marks would not come over unless he had the pulp in his juice card to do it this way.
While we have been a rudderless mess for years, I'd say Mills bringing on Perry with a purpose is a good idea. We are at least aligned properly going forward. No more flying by the seat of our pants.
Not sure everyone saw the KP thing coming, but knicks were prepared, were decisive and did not bumble it publically.
I wonder if the rest of the league is impressed now?
smackeddog wrote:D Russell has only put it together in his fourth year- DSJ is in his second. D-Russ was not good in his second year. Why do Knick fans love to marvel at other teams players, who took years to develop, while trashing their own players who they don't grant any patience to? (Not aimed at you, but I keep seeing this sort of thing come up on other forums!)
is our Front Office patient enough that should they strike out on first tier FA this summer, that they will bank the space for use in future trades like what the Nets were able to do?
They will be under tremendous pressure to accomplish something, and they could well be fired if they do nothing!
Right now. DSJ is Drussell 2 years ago. DSJ is trying to do too much to prove himself to everyone. He needs to relax and play the game. HE has all the tools to be very good. Just needs a head adjustment and a more consistent shooting stroke ;)
I would say DSJ too - but - Russell is a great reminder that we shouldn't be so quick to write Frank or Mudiay off
Is D'Angelo Russell worth a max contract? He was picked #2 overall ahead of KP and is in the same contract boat.
Historically was an empty calorie sort of player, a stat stuffer on a bad team. His numbers looked better because he'd have big games in blow outs, but didn't really do much in meaningful moments.
For the first part of the season, LeVert looked like the best player on the team until he dislocated his ankle. After the injury Dinwiddie looked like at least Russell's equal. It's only during this middle part of the season where Russell has become a real driver for team wins. He may have turned the corner before our very eyes and he looks like the real deal at the moment.
So... if he's an all-star PG, averaging 20ppg/6-7apg/3-4rpg... does that by default mean he'll get max offers? Heck, if the Knicks strike out on Kyrie, would Russell be a legit target for us?
(yes, he's better than DSJ now... but DSJ's athleticism is special and he'll get many chances to prove whether he's the next Baron Davis and not the next Shannon Brown)
Russell was who I wanted the Knicks to pick, if there at 4. If he wasnt looking for a max deal, I would lean to Russell, because he is still young, but his game has matured. DSJr still has to go through that part in his development. Knowing when to better pick his moments.
Still would pass on Russell because I dont want tbe Knicks to max out a PG. Would rather see if Smith jr can become a better floor general. Having a more stable lineup might help, since he is on a new team. Moments when Smith jr plays like an all star, other times he gets frustrated, and it shows in his play.
some comfort to know somewhere there is a LakerRainman who is just rewriting history with Russell and lamenting about trading. "MagicMIlls could have gotten the cap space and a better return for BroPez"........
smackeddog wrote:D Russell has only put it together in his fourth year- DSJ is in his second. D-Russ was not good in his second year. Why do Knick fans love to marvel at other teams players, who took years to develop, while trashing their own players who they don't grant any patience to? (Not aimed at you, but I keep seeing this sort of thing come up on other forums!)
This is the New NBA .. Very few NBA Guards get it right before their 3rd n 4th season .. You could count the guards using one hand that were NBA-Ready in their rookie or 2nd season in the NBA the past twenty years.
So far I could recall a couple of ROY guards .. Simmons Lilard Harding CP3
smackeddog wrote:D Russell has only put it together in his fourth year- DSJ is in his second. D-Russ was not good in his second year. Why do Knick fans love to marvel at other teams players, who took years to develop, while trashing their own players who they don't grant any patience to? (Not aimed at you, but I keep seeing this sort of thing come up on other forums!)
Maybe its to show how the average NBA team organization put together a better program for their young-core players .. The Lakers should have kept D.Russel and draft Ball, plus tandem the two guards in the backcourt for two seasons learning and getting whipped going up against the Western conference BADDEST Top-10 Guards in the NBA .. the Splash-Brothers, Harden & CP3, Westbrook & PG, Lilard & McCollum, Teague & Butler, Parker & Ginobli, Conley, Rondo.
The West guards mention above performance are to much for any rookie or 2nd season player to take on nightly in a 82 game season.
Recall Magic Johnson recently got the President job in LA, and he needed Lebron to help him build a winning team. The Lakers organization has slipped off the winning chart when Phil retired after they couldn't pull off the CP3 trade from NO Pelicans.
PGs usually take a long time to develop but who knows if DSjr will ever become a top pg only time will tell.
Kemet wrote:smackeddog wrote:D Russell has only put it together in his fourth year- DSJ is in his second. D-Russ was not good in his second year. Why do Knick fans love to marvel at other teams players, who took years to develop, while trashing their own players who they don't grant any patience to? (Not aimed at you, but I keep seeing this sort of thing come up on other forums!)
This is the New NBA .. Very few NBA Guards get it right before their 3rd n 4th season .. You could count the guards using one hand that were NBA-Ready in their rookie or 2nd season in the NBA the past twenty years.
So far I could recall a couple of ROY guards .. Simmons Lilard Harding CP3
I'll go a step further and say only CP3. Simmons had an entire season to prepare, observe and workout with NBA players. Lilliard's defense was so bad that it was a glaring weakness. You can argue that it still is, kinda. He also had the typical struggle with turnovers. CP3 was the most complete point guard to come in that I can remember.
yellowboy90 wrote:PGs usually take a long time to develop but who knows if DSjr will ever become a top pg only time will tell.
As stated above by Supreme Commander, an attitude adjustment and major work on his jump shot will take him to the top. Which do you think will get here, if either? To answer the question, D Russell is waaaaay better than DSJ, would be happy to have him.
