If we end up signing Durant and/or another big max guy - think we should consider bringing back "Subpar Mario." He is clearly talented and maybe will play better off of other stars? He could probably be had for a minimum deal as he didn't really progress this season. He tries on defense, knows the team/coach, does well on the fast break and can shoot from outside. Different expectations then last year when we hoped he would really improve, but still can be serviceable... especially when weighing him vs other minimum salary players.
he is full of himself in a way where he prefers to make the difficult pass (that has no margin for error) instead of the basic simple pass. Those fancy plays end up in turnovers. He has a good amount of talent, but IMO he wants to play with a certain flare, and ends up making some boneheaded mistakes..
When mario doesn’t play I genuinely forget he exists
jskinny35 wrote:If we end up signing Durant and/or another big max guy - think we should consider bringing back "Subpar Mario." He is clearly talented and maybe will play better off of other stars? He could probably be had for a minimum deal as he didn't really progress this season. He tries on defense, knows the team/coach, does well on the fast break and can shoot from outside. Different expectations then last year when we hoped he would really improve, but still can be serviceable... especially when weighing him vs other minimum salary players.
I mean, I can try on defense and also shoot from the outside. But I suck at both; Mario ain't that much better.
martin wrote:jskinny35 wrote:If we end up signing Durant and/or another big max guy - think we should consider bringing back "Subpar Mario." He is clearly talented and maybe will play better off of other stars? He could probably be had for a minimum deal as he didn't really progress this season. He tries on defense, knows the team/coach, does well on the fast break and can shoot from outside. Different expectations then last year when we hoped he would really improve, but still can be serviceable... especially when weighing him vs other minimum salary players.
I mean, I can try on defense and also shoot from the outside. But I suck at both; Mario ain't that much better.
Yep. And now that we have DSJ, we don't even need Mario for the occasional highlight dunk. I'd rather re-sign Ron Baker if I had a choice.
jskinny35 wrote:"So who's with me?"
I was thinking your way out on the limb but then Rainman chimed in and as per usual I think "If rainman thinks its a bad idea, I might should reconsider it".
I think some players won't look good freeflowing as we are now. Frank is a very good example. Last nite we win that game as he is patient and when he is on point he makes sure the guys are in position. Also defense and creating some havoc with a nose for the ball is good.
had to put in my subliminal love frank thing. Pisses rainman off.
Mario has succeeded at times but almost like a very poor mans Manu. Very poor. Remember, we can only compare the white guys with others, and non Americans too! Manu had good hair when he was in his early 20s.
Back to Manu, he was a 25 year old rookie with SAS and his success was predicated on being who he was in the right system.
MAYBE, Mario could also be a role player that does somethings well as part of a system? Not manu mind you, just a guy on the bench playing 15 min a game. Its a stretch and out on the limb.
As for him being a "Total asshole" I can't vouch for his stuck up Aryan thing but if so, phuch him in mouth as Darko would say...........
I doubt he sticks past this year.
I am not sure what is going to happen to Mario. I don’t think they should bring him back. I read or heard someone speculating that he might not get on the court again this year for the Knicks. I think Fiz will give him minutes again but I think the Knicks will move on.
If we get two big names we won't have a lot of room left cap-wise. So we have the 4.5 mil exception. Then anyone else gets a veteran min deal.
Bigger fish to fry. I don’t think Perry is like Walsh with his draft busts/disappointments.
CrushAlot wrote:Bigger fish to fry. I don’t think Perry is like Walsh with his draft busts/disappointments.
We've traded for Mudiay, tried to trade for Elfrid Payton, and signed Hezonja, Vonleh, and now Ellenson to deals. How could you possibly think that Perry doesn't target draft busts/disappointments?
jskinny35 wrote:If we end up signing Durant and/or another big max guy - think we should consider bringing back "Subpar Mario." He is clearly talented and maybe will play better off of other stars? He could probably be had for a minimum deal as he didn't really progress this season. He tries on defense, knows the team/coach, does well on the fast break and can shoot from outside. Different expectations then last year when we hoped he would really improve, but still can be serviceable... especially when weighing him vs other minimum salary players.
Mario is skilled and athletic. But when i watch him play it seems he is trying but maybe too hard. Isn't Ellenson a cheaper Mario giving us what we hoped for? I don't sense the same "feel for the game" in Mario. Ellenson came in and right away he is tossing lobs to Mitch. Then he's hitting clutch threes. That's what we wanted in Mario! We need guys who fit in as much as we need the high-ceiling guys who haven't put it all together yet and may never.
Just like Allen has come in and given pressure to Frank, Ellenson has come in to pressure Mario. Still waiting for Mario to don his cape and win a couple of games. Ellenson has 1 and a half games to his credit.
I love that we signed Mario and gave him a shot. That said, with that opportunity he showed me he isn’t very good. He wasn’t able to earn a steady role on a truly putrid basketball team. He certainly isn’t worthy of being in the rotation on what is hopefully a contending team in the future.
Nalod wrote:jskinny35 wrote:"So who's with me?"
I was thinking your way out on the limb but then Rainman chimed in and as per usual I think "If rainman thinks its a bad idea, I might should reconsider it".
I think some players won't look good freeflowing as we are now. Frank is a very good example. Last nite we win that game as he is patient and when he is on point he makes sure the guys are in position. Also defense and creating some havoc with a nose for the ball is good.
had to put in my subliminal love frank thing. Pisses rainman off.
Mario has succeeded at times but almost like a very poor mans Manu. Very poor. Remember, we can only compare the white guys with others, and non Americans too! Manu had good hair when he was in his early 20s.
Back to Manu, he was a 25 year old rookie with SAS and his success was predicated on being who he was in the right system.
MAYBE, Mario could also be a role player that does somethings well as part of a system? Not manu mind you, just a guy on the bench playing 15 min a game. Its a stretch and out on the limb.
As for him being a "Total asshole" I can't vouch for his stuck up Aryan thing but if so, phuch him in mouth as Darko would say...........
I doubt he sticks past this year.
Your obsession with knicks1248 is getting ridiculous. Let the man have his opinion. It isn’t hurting anyone but you. You did this in the past with Playa and your doing this with knicks1248. It’s borderline cyber bullying.
VCoug wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Bigger fish to fry. I don’t think Perry is like Walsh with his draft busts/disappointments.
We've traded for Mudiay, tried to trade for Elfrid Payton, and signed Hezonja, Vonleh, and now Ellenson to deals. How could you possibly think that Perry doesn't target draft busts/disappointments?
I like what Perry has done and his approach. My point was that I don't see him bringing in a Bender or Fred Jones types like Walsh did. I think Mario was given a chance this year and it didn't work out. Unless Fiz loves him I don't see him coming back.
Vmart wrote:Nalod wrote:jskinny35 wrote:"So who's with me?"
I was thinking your way out on the limb but then Rainman chimed in and as per usual I think "If rainman thinks its a bad idea, I might should reconsider it".
I think some players won't look good freeflowing as we are now. Frank is a very good example. Last nite we win that game as he is patient and when he is on point he makes sure the guys are in position. Also defense and creating some havoc with a nose for the ball is good.
had to put in my subliminal love frank thing. Pisses rainman off.
Mario has succeeded at times but almost like a very poor mans Manu. Very poor. Remember, we can only compare the white guys with others, and non Americans too! Manu had good hair when he was in his early 20s.
Back to Manu, he was a 25 year old rookie with SAS and his success was predicated on being who he was in the right system.
MAYBE, Mario could also be a role player that does somethings well as part of a system? Not manu mind you, just a guy on the bench playing 15 min a game. Its a stretch and out on the limb.
As for him being a "Total asshole" I can't vouch for his stuck up Aryan thing but if so, phuch him in mouth as Darko would say...........
I doubt he sticks past this year.
Your obsession with knicks1248 is getting ridiculous. Let the man have his opinion. It isn’t hurting anyone but you. You did this in the past with Playa and your doing this with knicks1248. It’s borderline cyber bullying.
Oh please. Rainman arrogantly creates his fiction as if he is an insider. I call out his content, not the man himself. Thats not cyberbullying. The redundant agenda driven bullshyt points need to be called out because more causal fans start to digest it as facts. You make it like I drove Playa out. PLaya drove playa out.
Rainman can have his opinion but he pretends it’s factual. State that its an opinion. There are a ton of opionons I don’t agree with, but I respect it.
Basing things on falsehoods is not an opinion, its crap.
I agree, I’m a bit obsessive. I don’t need to respond as much as I do. I don’t need to be the defender of straight up talk and facts. But I do. Stupidity and lying should not be tolerated.
CrushAlot wrote:VCoug wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Bigger fish to fry. I don’t think Perry is like Walsh with his draft busts/disappointments.
We've traded for Mudiay, tried to trade for Elfrid Payton, and signed Hezonja, Vonleh, and now Ellenson to deals. How could you possibly think that Perry doesn't target draft busts/disappointments?
I like what Perry has done and his approach. My point was that I don't see him bringing in a Bender or Fred Jones types like Walsh did. I think Mario was given a chance this year and it didn't work out. Unless Fiz loves him I don't see him coming back.
Sure, I'm not saying it's a bad plan, I definitely prefer it to what stupid shit Phil Jackson was doing. Just seems weird to say that Perry isn't targeting these players when he very clearly is.
VCoug wrote:CrushAlot wrote:VCoug wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Bigger fish to fry. I don’t think Perry is like Walsh with his draft busts/disappointments.
We've traded for Mudiay, tried to trade for Elfrid Payton, and signed Hezonja, Vonleh, and now Ellenson to deals. How could you possibly think that Perry doesn't target draft busts/disappointments?
I like what Perry has done and his approach. My point was that I don't see him bringing in a Bender or Fred Jones types like Walsh did. I think Mario was given a chance this year and it didn't work out. Unless Fiz loves him I don't see him coming back.
Sure, I'm not saying it's a bad plan, I definitely prefer it to what stupid shit Phil Jackson was doing. Just seems weird to say that Perry isn't targeting these players when he very clearly is.
The guys that Walsh brought in were busts for their draft position and older. Mario is still just 23 and he isn’t getting minutes at Knox, Trier or Robinson’s expense.
Perry not strutting these guys out to be with Melo. Also Walsh has not developing yoots and not a plethora of draft picks. Dolan had him banking on Mozgov and Jr Smith.
Nalod wrote:Vmart wrote:Nalod wrote:jskinny35 wrote:"So who's with me?"
I was thinking your way out on the limb but then Rainman chimed in and as per usual I think "If rainman thinks its a bad idea, I might should reconsider it".
I think some players won't look good freeflowing as we are now. Frank is a very good example. Last nite we win that game as he is patient and when he is on point he makes sure the guys are in position. Also defense and creating some havoc with a nose for the ball is good.
had to put in my subliminal love frank thing. Pisses rainman off.
Mario has succeeded at times but almost like a very poor mans Manu. Very poor. Remember, we can only compare the white guys with others, and non Americans too! Manu had good hair when he was in his early 20s.
Back to Manu, he was a 25 year old rookie with SAS and his success was predicated on being who he was in the right system.
MAYBE, Mario could also be a role player that does somethings well as part of a system? Not manu mind you, just a guy on the bench playing 15 min a game. Its a stretch and out on the limb.
As for him being a "Total asshole" I can't vouch for his stuck up Aryan thing but if so, phuch him in mouth as Darko would say...........
I doubt he sticks past this year.
Your obsession with knicks1248 is getting ridiculous. Let the man have his opinion. It isn’t hurting anyone but you. You did this in the past with Playa and your doing this with knicks1248. It’s borderline cyber bullying.
Oh please. Rainman arrogantly creates his fiction as if he is an insider. I call out his content, not the man himself. Thats not cyberbullying. The redundant agenda driven bullshyt points need to be called out because more causal fans start to digest it as facts. You make it like I drove Playa out. PLaya drove playa out.
Rainman can have his opinion but he pretends it’s factual. State that its an opinion. There are a ton of opionons I don’t agree with, but I respect it.
Basing things on falsehoods is not an opinion, its crap.
I agree, I’m a bit obsessive. I don’t need to respond as much as I do. I don’t need to be the defender of straight up talk and facts. But I do. Stupidity and lying should not be tolerated.
your pure entertainment for me and fellow knick fans around me. You call someones opinion a lie just shows how ridiculous foolish you really sound.
Majority of the stuff i say and predict actually happens, while you sit there in fantasy land and avoid the most obvious sht.
You don't need an inside source to see that frank is waste of time on this team, you don't need a inside source to know that losing will develop bad habits, you don't need a inside source to know that losing brings massive changes, and you certainly don't need a inside source to know that mills tenure with the knicks (in every role) has been a disaster to say the least
You live in complete denial Like JAMES DOLAN. SOME OF YOU ARE FOOLISH BAIS FAN THAT ROOTS FOR HOME GROWN TALENT THAT SUCKS. Mills has turned this franchise into a dumping ground for draft bust
