Knicks · Dotson in year 2 (page 3)
GustavBahler wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:GustavBahler wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:CrushAlot wrote:martin wrote:GustavBahler wrote:martin wrote:GustavBahler wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Not surprised when rookies have trouble draining jumpers, like Frank and Dotson. They've played for big crowds before, but not like the ones they saw as rookies. Not to mention playing in the Garden can be intimidating. Takes time for some players to tune out the crowd.Dotson has been in and out of the rotation since becoming a Knick. Im surprised he has been able to put together so many good games in spite of 2 coaches and many different teammates.
As for Frank, I never got the feeling that he understood the need for a sense of urgency. Believe it played a big part in how things turned out for him in NY.
The good news is that NY has another French import...... The French Taco!!! Read an article about them. If you look at one, might have a Seinfeld reaction. "Whats the deal with French Tacos? Tortillas arent French, and it isnt a Taco!" Any French Knicks fans have one of these?
Opened one in Brooklyn about a year ago.
Agree about the lack of roster consistency. Dotson has been pulled in and out the lineup the past few seasons. It's hard too build consistency in that scenario. Disagree with you about Frank. I always bring up Diaw, but the dude was shooting nearly as bad as Frank his first two seasons in Atlanta. His TS% hovered around 48%. Maybe Frank needs a different environment to thrive like Diaw. Frank brings intensity on defense. His confidence shooting took a dump, but I don't think it's lack of fire. Who knows? But if rumors are true, and I hope they are, I'm not banking on many of these guys to be back next season. Maybe Mitch. But as hyped as I am about Mitch, I'm not sure I let that get in the way of a potential AD deal if it's on the table.
You can go back to when Frank was drafted, Ive never harped on Frank's shooting pct, not doing it now. Frank's shooting actually hasn't concerned me, its his lack of aggressiveness. His unwillingness to draw contact to get to the line.
If Frank played D, and took it to the other team, was a threat at the rim (with his height, and wingspan), the lack of consistent shooting would be more tolerable. Right now its almost entirely defense. Wrong decade for that.
Disappointed BTW at the lack of response to my question regarding the French Taco. French Taco scholars will look back on this time, and shed a tear. Seriously if you google the chain, and the man who started it, its a great story to see in France. The "Americsn Dream" French style.I think Triple made reference with the same thing regarding Frank: He needs that edge. And a shot. If he can't bring both, he won't be long for the NBA.
Been saying this since Frank's first game. Was told I was being too hasty, by you among others.
There is plenty of context to this. To say that Frank will never have a shot or have that edge in his first year and come to a full conclusion, then yeah, hasty is appropriate. Don't think I would have used hasty otherwise.
There was a lot of push back on anyone critical of Frank.Knox rookie year has already exposed the hypocrisy and double standards when it comes to Franks rookie year. He offered plenty to be critical about for majority of it.
Not really. Knox has been starting, and playing a good deal more minutes. He's playing against starters, the best, and still managed to be named rookie of the month, before he hit the wall, so to speak.
Knox's path has been tougher. They both have had up and down rookie seasons. Have seen more to build with in Knox's game. Believe Knox's sophomore year will be better than Frank's in part because he has shown himself to be a more aggressive player.
Knox at the moment isn't an effective player in any area of basketball. Not as a scorer, rebounder, playmaker, shooter, defender. With concerns that he may not have the lateral quickness and agility to effectively guard the perimeter. And may need to focus on getting stronger and holding down the stretch PF spot as he ages.
The fact that he won rookie of the months shows how poor the majority of his season has gone with the level of drop off. There is clear reason for it though given his age and need for physical development and conditioning.
The only reason for the lower level of critic despite the same lack of effectiveness(and arguably even less) is *preference*. He isn't held to the same standards set only due to preference not actual effectiveness.
You, Crush and a few others bring up G league a lot for development. Yet when Knox was having months long stretches of funk. Why was there no belief or mention of the G league to build Knox back up?
Just an example of the changeup in mindset. And again not due to actual effectiveness, but preference.
Ive definitely seen the makings of a scorer, the high scoring games being the tipoff
When Knox looks to set up teammates, he is isnt bad at it. Gets tunnel vision too much. Apparently talked to LeBron, who told him to be more of a distributor. We'll see if Knox takes that advice. He's been seeking out the best, past and present for advice. What you want to see from a rook who talks about being a player in this league.
As far as G-League, was in favor of Knox coming off the bench like Frank from the start. Knox started, got the rook of the month award, and ran out of gas. Before sending him to G-League, would have wanted to see a reduction in minutes first, see how Knox responds, then send him to G-League, if necessary. With Frank, reducing his minutes wasnt going to help. Was only playing around 20 mpg. Different situation.
You believe Knox has shown enough as a prospect and Frank hasn't. I don't believe either of them have shown enough as prospects. We will also have e to agree to disagree that Knox has shown more than Frank. He has only shown more in willingness to take more shots. Even if it's ducking his head down and driving into multiple defenders without any real plan or craft to get the shot off. Knox's defense may be just as raw as Frank's offense with Frank showing more flashes offensively than Knox defensively. While Knox offense to be generous is similar level to Frank's defense in terms of effectiveness. But would be willing to give both of them their rookie deals to show enough. And if deals that make sense come along that needs us to trade either of them then so be it.
newyorknewyork wrote:GustavBahler wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:GustavBahler wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:CrushAlot wrote:martin wrote:GustavBahler wrote:martin wrote:GustavBahler wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Not surprised when rookies have trouble draining jumpers, like Frank and Dotson. They've played for big crowds before, but not like the ones they saw as rookies. Not to mention playing in the Garden can be intimidating. Takes time for some players to tune out the crowd.Dotson has been in and out of the rotation since becoming a Knick. Im surprised he has been able to put together so many good games in spite of 2 coaches and many different teammates.
As for Frank, I never got the feeling that he understood the need for a sense of urgency. Believe it played a big part in how things turned out for him in NY.
The good news is that NY has another French import...... The French Taco!!! Read an article about them. If you look at one, might have a Seinfeld reaction. "Whats the deal with French Tacos? Tortillas arent French, and it isnt a Taco!" Any French Knicks fans have one of these?
Opened one in Brooklyn about a year ago.
Agree about the lack of roster consistency. Dotson has been pulled in and out the lineup the past few seasons. It's hard too build consistency in that scenario. Disagree with you about Frank. I always bring up Diaw, but the dude was shooting nearly as bad as Frank his first two seasons in Atlanta. His TS% hovered around 48%. Maybe Frank needs a different environment to thrive like Diaw. Frank brings intensity on defense. His confidence shooting took a dump, but I don't think it's lack of fire. Who knows? But if rumors are true, and I hope they are, I'm not banking on many of these guys to be back next season. Maybe Mitch. But as hyped as I am about Mitch, I'm not sure I let that get in the way of a potential AD deal if it's on the table.
You can go back to when Frank was drafted, Ive never harped on Frank's shooting pct, not doing it now. Frank's shooting actually hasn't concerned me, its his lack of aggressiveness. His unwillingness to draw contact to get to the line.
If Frank played D, and took it to the other team, was a threat at the rim (with his height, and wingspan), the lack of consistent shooting would be more tolerable. Right now its almost entirely defense. Wrong decade for that.
Disappointed BTW at the lack of response to my question regarding the French Taco. French Taco scholars will look back on this time, and shed a tear. Seriously if you google the chain, and the man who started it, its a great story to see in France. The "Americsn Dream" French style.I think Triple made reference with the same thing regarding Frank: He needs that edge. And a shot. If he can't bring both, he won't be long for the NBA.
Been saying this since Frank's first game. Was told I was being too hasty, by you among others.
There is plenty of context to this. To say that Frank will never have a shot or have that edge in his first year and come to a full conclusion, then yeah, hasty is appropriate. Don't think I would have used hasty otherwise.
There was a lot of push back on anyone critical of Frank.Knox rookie year has already exposed the hypocrisy and double standards when it comes to Franks rookie year. He offered plenty to be critical about for majority of it.
Not really. Knox has been starting, and playing a good deal more minutes. He's playing against starters, the best, and still managed to be named rookie of the month, before he hit the wall, so to speak.
Knox's path has been tougher. They both have had up and down rookie seasons. Have seen more to build with in Knox's game. Believe Knox's sophomore year will be better than Frank's in part because he has shown himself to be a more aggressive player.
Knox at the moment isn't an effective player in any area of basketball. Not as a scorer, rebounder, playmaker, shooter, defender. With concerns that he may not have the lateral quickness and agility to effectively guard the perimeter. And may need to focus on getting stronger and holding down the stretch PF spot as he ages.
The fact that he won rookie of the months shows how poor the majority of his season has gone with the level of drop off. There is clear reason for it though given his age and need for physical development and conditioning.
The only reason for the lower level of critic despite the same lack of effectiveness(and arguably even less) is *preference*. He isn't held to the same standards set only due to preference not actual effectiveness.
You, Crush and a few others bring up G league a lot for development. Yet when Knox was having months long stretches of funk. Why was there no belief or mention of the G league to build Knox back up?
Just an example of the changeup in mindset. And again not due to actual effectiveness, but preference.
Ive definitely seen the makings of a scorer, the high scoring games being the tipoff
When Knox looks to set up teammates, he is isnt bad at it. Gets tunnel vision too much. Apparently talked to LeBron, who told him to be more of a distributor. We'll see if Knox takes that advice. He's been seeking out the best, past and present for advice. What you want to see from a rook who talks about being a player in this league.
As far as G-League, was in favor of Knox coming off the bench like Frank from the start. Knox started, got the rook of the month award, and ran out of gas. Before sending him to G-League, would have wanted to see a reduction in minutes first, see how Knox responds, then send him to G-League, if necessary. With Frank, reducing his minutes wasnt going to help. Was only playing around 20 mpg. Different situation.
You believe Knox has shown enough as a prospect and Frank hasn't. I don't believe either of them have shown enough as prospects. We will also have e to agree to disagree that Knox has shown more than Frank. He has only shown more in willingness to take more shots. Even if it's ducking his head down and driving into multiple defenders without any real plan or craft to get the shot off. Knox's defense may be just as raw as Frank's offense with Frank showing more flashes offensively than Knox defensively. While Knox offense to be generous is similar level to Frank's defense in terms of effectiveness. But would be willing to give both of them their rookie deals to show enough. And if deals that make sense come along that needs us to trade either of them then so be it.
Agree to disagree? No way man. Knox is a shooter that shoots 36 percent. I've watched enough one dimensional shooters to know that is complete and utter trash. I think Frank's defensive abilities are overstated but I mean at least he offers that to go with 35.6%
newyorknewyork wrote:GustavBahler wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:GustavBahler wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:CrushAlot wrote:martin wrote:GustavBahler wrote:martin wrote:GustavBahler wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Not surprised when rookies have trouble draining jumpers, like Frank and Dotson. They've played for big crowds before, but not like the ones they saw as rookies. Not to mention playing in the Garden can be intimidating. Takes time for some players to tune out the crowd.Dotson has been in and out of the rotation since becoming a Knick. Im surprised he has been able to put together so many good games in spite of 2 coaches and many different teammates.
As for Frank, I never got the feeling that he understood the need for a sense of urgency. Believe it played a big part in how things turned out for him in NY.
The good news is that NY has another French import...... The French Taco!!! Read an article about them. If you look at one, might have a Seinfeld reaction. "Whats the deal with French Tacos? Tortillas arent French, and it isnt a Taco!" Any French Knicks fans have one of these?
Opened one in Brooklyn about a year ago.
Agree about the lack of roster consistency. Dotson has been pulled in and out the lineup the past few seasons. It's hard too build consistency in that scenario. Disagree with you about Frank. I always bring up Diaw, but the dude was shooting nearly as bad as Frank his first two seasons in Atlanta. His TS% hovered around 48%. Maybe Frank needs a different environment to thrive like Diaw. Frank brings intensity on defense. His confidence shooting took a dump, but I don't think it's lack of fire. Who knows? But if rumors are true, and I hope they are, I'm not banking on many of these guys to be back next season. Maybe Mitch. But as hyped as I am about Mitch, I'm not sure I let that get in the way of a potential AD deal if it's on the table.
You can go back to when Frank was drafted, Ive never harped on Frank's shooting pct, not doing it now. Frank's shooting actually hasn't concerned me, its his lack of aggressiveness. His unwillingness to draw contact to get to the line.
If Frank played D, and took it to the other team, was a threat at the rim (with his height, and wingspan), the lack of consistent shooting would be more tolerable. Right now its almost entirely defense. Wrong decade for that.
Disappointed BTW at the lack of response to my question regarding the French Taco. French Taco scholars will look back on this time, and shed a tear. Seriously if you google the chain, and the man who started it, its a great story to see in France. The "Americsn Dream" French style.I think Triple made reference with the same thing regarding Frank: He needs that edge. And a shot. If he can't bring both, he won't be long for the NBA.
Been saying this since Frank's first game. Was told I was being too hasty, by you among others.
There is plenty of context to this. To say that Frank will never have a shot or have that edge in his first year and come to a full conclusion, then yeah, hasty is appropriate. Don't think I would have used hasty otherwise.
There was a lot of push back on anyone critical of Frank.Knox rookie year has already exposed the hypocrisy and double standards when it comes to Franks rookie year. He offered plenty to be critical about for majority of it.
Not really. Knox has been starting, and playing a good deal more minutes. He's playing against starters, the best, and still managed to be named rookie of the month, before he hit the wall, so to speak.
Knox's path has been tougher. They both have had up and down rookie seasons. Have seen more to build with in Knox's game. Believe Knox's sophomore year will be better than Frank's in part because he has shown himself to be a more aggressive player.
Knox at the moment isn't an effective player in any area of basketball. Not as a scorer, rebounder, playmaker, shooter, defender. With concerns that he may not have the lateral quickness and agility to effectively guard the perimeter. And may need to focus on getting stronger and holding down the stretch PF spot as he ages.
The fact that he won rookie of the months shows how poor the majority of his season has gone with the level of drop off. There is clear reason for it though given his age and need for physical development and conditioning.
The only reason for the lower level of critic despite the same lack of effectiveness(and arguably even less) is *preference*. He isn't held to the same standards set only due to preference not actual effectiveness.
You, Crush and a few others bring up G league a lot for development. Yet when Knox was having months long stretches of funk. Why was there no belief or mention of the G league to build Knox back up?
Just an example of the changeup in mindset. And again not due to actual effectiveness, but preference.
Ive definitely seen the makings of a scorer, the high scoring games being the tipoff
When Knox looks to set up teammates, he is isnt bad at it. Gets tunnel vision too much. Apparently talked to LeBron, who told him to be more of a distributor. We'll see if Knox takes that advice. He's been seeking out the best, past and present for advice. What you want to see from a rook who talks about being a player in this league.
As far as G-League, was in favor of Knox coming off the bench like Frank from the start. Knox started, got the rook of the month award, and ran out of gas. Before sending him to G-League, would have wanted to see a reduction in minutes first, see how Knox responds, then send him to G-League, if necessary. With Frank, reducing his minutes wasnt going to help. Was only playing around 20 mpg. Different situation.
You believe Knox has shown enough as a prospect and Frank hasn't. I don't believe either of them have shown enough as prospects. We will also have e to agree to disagree that Knox has shown more than Frank. He has only shown more in willingness to take more shots. Even if it's ducking his head down and driving into multiple defenders without any real plan or craft to get the shot off. Knox's defense may be just as raw as Frank's offense with Frank showing more flashes offensively than Knox defensively. While Knox offense to be generous is similar level to Frank's defense in terms of effectiveness. But would be willing to give both of them their rookie deals to show enough. And if deals that make sense come along that needs us to trade either of them then so be it.
Yep. Knox has been historically bad on offense. I don't think people have realized how bad Knox shooting has been this season. The only real difference between Knox and Frank's rookie shooting percentages is that Knox keeps shooting right now. Knox and Frank suck right now. So does DSJ to a lesser extent. My point is it's too early to close the door on any of their careers.
SupremeCommander wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:GustavBahler wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:GustavBahler wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:CrushAlot wrote:martin wrote:GustavBahler wrote:martin wrote:GustavBahler wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Not surprised when rookies have trouble draining jumpers, like Frank and Dotson. They've played for big crowds before, but not like the ones they saw as rookies. Not to mention playing in the Garden can be intimidating. Takes time for some players to tune out the crowd.Dotson has been in and out of the rotation since becoming a Knick. Im surprised he has been able to put together so many good games in spite of 2 coaches and many different teammates.
As for Frank, I never got the feeling that he understood the need for a sense of urgency. Believe it played a big part in how things turned out for him in NY.
The good news is that NY has another French import...... The French Taco!!! Read an article about them. If you look at one, might have a Seinfeld reaction. "Whats the deal with French Tacos? Tortillas arent French, and it isnt a Taco!" Any French Knicks fans have one of these?
Opened one in Brooklyn about a year ago.
Agree about the lack of roster consistency. Dotson has been pulled in and out the lineup the past few seasons. It's hard too build consistency in that scenario. Disagree with you about Frank. I always bring up Diaw, but the dude was shooting nearly as bad as Frank his first two seasons in Atlanta. His TS% hovered around 48%. Maybe Frank needs a different environment to thrive like Diaw. Frank brings intensity on defense. His confidence shooting took a dump, but I don't think it's lack of fire. Who knows? But if rumors are true, and I hope they are, I'm not banking on many of these guys to be back next season. Maybe Mitch. But as hyped as I am about Mitch, I'm not sure I let that get in the way of a potential AD deal if it's on the table.
You can go back to when Frank was drafted, Ive never harped on Frank's shooting pct, not doing it now. Frank's shooting actually hasn't concerned me, its his lack of aggressiveness. His unwillingness to draw contact to get to the line.
If Frank played D, and took it to the other team, was a threat at the rim (with his height, and wingspan), the lack of consistent shooting would be more tolerable. Right now its almost entirely defense. Wrong decade for that.
Disappointed BTW at the lack of response to my question regarding the French Taco. French Taco scholars will look back on this time, and shed a tear. Seriously if you google the chain, and the man who started it, its a great story to see in France. The "Americsn Dream" French style.I think Triple made reference with the same thing regarding Frank: He needs that edge. And a shot. If he can't bring both, he won't be long for the NBA.
Been saying this since Frank's first game. Was told I was being too hasty, by you among others.
There is plenty of context to this. To say that Frank will never have a shot or have that edge in his first year and come to a full conclusion, then yeah, hasty is appropriate. Don't think I would have used hasty otherwise.
There was a lot of push back on anyone critical of Frank.Knox rookie year has already exposed the hypocrisy and double standards when it comes to Franks rookie year. He offered plenty to be critical about for majority of it.
Not really. Knox has been starting, and playing a good deal more minutes. He's playing against starters, the best, and still managed to be named rookie of the month, before he hit the wall, so to speak.
Knox's path has been tougher. They both have had up and down rookie seasons. Have seen more to build with in Knox's game. Believe Knox's sophomore year will be better than Frank's in part because he has shown himself to be a more aggressive player.
Knox at the moment isn't an effective player in any area of basketball. Not as a scorer, rebounder, playmaker, shooter, defender. With concerns that he may not have the lateral quickness and agility to effectively guard the perimeter. And may need to focus on getting stronger and holding down the stretch PF spot as he ages.
The fact that he won rookie of the months shows how poor the majority of his season has gone with the level of drop off. There is clear reason for it though given his age and need for physical development and conditioning.
The only reason for the lower level of critic despite the same lack of effectiveness(and arguably even less) is *preference*. He isn't held to the same standards set only due to preference not actual effectiveness.
You, Crush and a few others bring up G league a lot for development. Yet when Knox was having months long stretches of funk. Why was there no belief or mention of the G league to build Knox back up?
Just an example of the changeup in mindset. And again not due to actual effectiveness, but preference.
Ive definitely seen the makings of a scorer, the high scoring games being the tipoff
When Knox looks to set up teammates, he is isnt bad at it. Gets tunnel vision too much. Apparently talked to LeBron, who told him to be more of a distributor. We'll see if Knox takes that advice. He's been seeking out the best, past and present for advice. What you want to see from a rook who talks about being a player in this league.
As far as G-League, was in favor of Knox coming off the bench like Frank from the start. Knox started, got the rook of the month award, and ran out of gas. Before sending him to G-League, would have wanted to see a reduction in minutes first, see how Knox responds, then send him to G-League, if necessary. With Frank, reducing his minutes wasnt going to help. Was only playing around 20 mpg. Different situation.
You believe Knox has shown enough as a prospect and Frank hasn't. I don't believe either of them have shown enough as prospects. We will also have e to agree to disagree that Knox has shown more than Frank. He has only shown more in willingness to take more shots. Even if it's ducking his head down and driving into multiple defenders without any real plan or craft to get the shot off. Knox's defense may be just as raw as Frank's offense with Frank showing more flashes offensively than Knox defensively. While Knox offense to be generous is similar level to Frank's defense in terms of effectiveness. But would be willing to give both of them their rookie deals to show enough. And if deals that make sense come along that needs us to trade either of them then so be it.
Agree to disagree? No way man. Knox is a shooter that shoots 36 percent. I've watched enough one dimensional shooters to know that is complete and utter trash. I think Frank's defensive abilities are overstated but I mean at least he offers that to go with 35.6%
I'm confused .. you just agreed with newyorknewyork but agreed to disagree.
newyorknewyork wrote:GustavBahler wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:GustavBahler wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:CrushAlot wrote:martin wrote:GustavBahler wrote:martin wrote:GustavBahler wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Not surprised when rookies have trouble draining jumpers, like Frank and Dotson. They've played for big crowds before, but not like the ones they saw as rookies. Not to mention playing in the Garden can be intimidating. Takes time for some players to tune out the crowd.Dotson has been in and out of the rotation since becoming a Knick. Im surprised he has been able to put together so many good games in spite of 2 coaches and many different teammates.
As for Frank, I never got the feeling that he understood the need for a sense of urgency. Believe it played a big part in how things turned out for him in NY.
The good news is that NY has another French import...... The French Taco!!! Read an article about them. If you look at one, might have a Seinfeld reaction. "Whats the deal with French Tacos? Tortillas arent French, and it isnt a Taco!" Any French Knicks fans have one of these?
Opened one in Brooklyn about a year ago.
Agree about the lack of roster consistency. Dotson has been pulled in and out the lineup the past few seasons. It's hard too build consistency in that scenario. Disagree with you about Frank. I always bring up Diaw, but the dude was shooting nearly as bad as Frank his first two seasons in Atlanta. His TS% hovered around 48%. Maybe Frank needs a different environment to thrive like Diaw. Frank brings intensity on defense. His confidence shooting took a dump, but I don't think it's lack of fire. Who knows? But if rumors are true, and I hope they are, I'm not banking on many of these guys to be back next season. Maybe Mitch. But as hyped as I am about Mitch, I'm not sure I let that get in the way of a potential AD deal if it's on the table.
You can go back to when Frank was drafted, Ive never harped on Frank's shooting pct, not doing it now. Frank's shooting actually hasn't concerned me, its his lack of aggressiveness. His unwillingness to draw contact to get to the line.
If Frank played D, and took it to the other team, was a threat at the rim (with his height, and wingspan), the lack of consistent shooting would be more tolerable. Right now its almost entirely defense. Wrong decade for that.
Disappointed BTW at the lack of response to my question regarding the French Taco. French Taco scholars will look back on this time, and shed a tear. Seriously if you google the chain, and the man who started it, its a great story to see in France. The "Americsn Dream" French style.I think Triple made reference with the same thing regarding Frank: He needs that edge. And a shot. If he can't bring both, he won't be long for the NBA.
Been saying this since Frank's first game. Was told I was being too hasty, by you among others.
There is plenty of context to this. To say that Frank will never have a shot or have that edge in his first year and come to a full conclusion, then yeah, hasty is appropriate. Don't think I would have used hasty otherwise.
There was a lot of push back on anyone critical of Frank.Knox rookie year has already exposed the hypocrisy and double standards when it comes to Franks rookie year. He offered plenty to be critical about for majority of it.
Not really. Knox has been starting, and playing a good deal more minutes. He's playing against starters, the best, and still managed to be named rookie of the month, before he hit the wall, so to speak.
Knox's path has been tougher. They both have had up and down rookie seasons. Have seen more to build with in Knox's game. Believe Knox's sophomore year will be better than Frank's in part because he has shown himself to be a more aggressive player.
Knox at the moment isn't an effective player in any area of basketball. Not as a scorer, rebounder, playmaker, shooter, defender. With concerns that he may not have the lateral quickness and agility to effectively guard the perimeter. And may need to focus on getting stronger and holding down the stretch PF spot as he ages.
The fact that he won rookie of the months shows how poor the majority of his season has gone with the level of drop off. There is clear reason for it though given his age and need for physical development and conditioning.
The only reason for the lower level of critic despite the same lack of effectiveness(and arguably even less) is *preference*. He isn't held to the same standards set only due to preference not actual effectiveness.
You, Crush and a few others bring up G league a lot for development. Yet when Knox was having months long stretches of funk. Why was there no belief or mention of the G league to build Knox back up?
Just an example of the changeup in mindset. And again not due to actual effectiveness, but preference.
Ive definitely seen the makings of a scorer, the high scoring games being the tipoff
When Knox looks to set up teammates, he is isnt bad at it. Gets tunnel vision too much. Apparently talked to LeBron, who told him to be more of a distributor. We'll see if Knox takes that advice. He's been seeking out the best, past and present for advice. What you want to see from a rook who talks about being a player in this league.
As far as G-League, was in favor of Knox coming off the bench like Frank from the start. Knox started, got the rook of the month award, and ran out of gas. Before sending him to G-League, would have wanted to see a reduction in minutes first, see how Knox responds, then send him to G-League, if necessary. With Frank, reducing his minutes wasnt going to help. Was only playing around 20 mpg. Different situation.
You believe Knox has shown enough as a prospect and Frank hasn't. I don't believe either of them have shown enough as prospects. We will also have e to agree to disagree that Knox has shown more than Frank. He has only shown more in willingness to take more shots. Even if it's ducking his head down and driving into multiple defenders without any real plan or craft to get the shot off. Knox's defense may be just as raw as Frank's offense with Frank showing more flashes offensively than Knox defensively. While Knox offense to be generous is similar level to Frank's defense in terms of effectiveness. But would be willing to give both of them their rookie deals to show enough. And if deals that make sense come along that needs us to trade either of them then so be it.
Believe Knox has shown enough his rookie year to say that that he has the skills to be a scorer. Needs better conditioning, more polish. Not going by his shooting pct, going by his ability, willingness to put the ball on the floor and go at the other team.
Its been really ugly at times, no doubt. Knox's willingness to try to work through the holes in his game, at times succeeding, leads me to believe that while he is by no means a finished product. Seen enough to say that he has the makings of a starter.
While Frank has taken a much more timid approach to his development. Hornacek was right, Frank needed to play as much pickup BBall as he could last summer. Sought out more familiar, if not safer surroundings.
Frank has been playing it safe since he was drafted, while Knox (with Fizdale's approval) has been more aggressive, taking more chances. Defense is important of course, but its no substitute for offense in today's NBA.
martin wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:GustavBahler wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:GustavBahler wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:CrushAlot wrote:martin wrote:GustavBahler wrote:martin wrote:GustavBahler wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Not surprised when rookies have trouble draining jumpers, like Frank and Dotson. They've played for big crowds before, but not like the ones they saw as rookies. Not to mention playing in the Garden can be intimidating. Takes time for some players to tune out the crowd.Dotson has been in and out of the rotation since becoming a Knick. Im surprised he has been able to put together so many good games in spite of 2 coaches and many different teammates.
As for Frank, I never got the feeling that he understood the need for a sense of urgency. Believe it played a big part in how things turned out for him in NY.
The good news is that NY has another French import...... The French Taco!!! Read an article about them. If you look at one, might have a Seinfeld reaction. "Whats the deal with French Tacos? Tortillas arent French, and it isnt a Taco!" Any French Knicks fans have one of these?
Opened one in Brooklyn about a year ago.
Agree about the lack of roster consistency. Dotson has been pulled in and out the lineup the past few seasons. It's hard too build consistency in that scenario. Disagree with you about Frank. I always bring up Diaw, but the dude was shooting nearly as bad as Frank his first two seasons in Atlanta. His TS% hovered around 48%. Maybe Frank needs a different environment to thrive like Diaw. Frank brings intensity on defense. His confidence shooting took a dump, but I don't think it's lack of fire. Who knows? But if rumors are true, and I hope they are, I'm not banking on many of these guys to be back next season. Maybe Mitch. But as hyped as I am about Mitch, I'm not sure I let that get in the way of a potential AD deal if it's on the table.
You can go back to when Frank was drafted, Ive never harped on Frank's shooting pct, not doing it now. Frank's shooting actually hasn't concerned me, its his lack of aggressiveness. His unwillingness to draw contact to get to the line.
If Frank played D, and took it to the other team, was a threat at the rim (with his height, and wingspan), the lack of consistent shooting would be more tolerable. Right now its almost entirely defense. Wrong decade for that.
Disappointed BTW at the lack of response to my question regarding the French Taco. French Taco scholars will look back on this time, and shed a tear. Seriously if you google the chain, and the man who started it, its a great story to see in France. The "Americsn Dream" French style.I think Triple made reference with the same thing regarding Frank: He needs that edge. And a shot. If he can't bring both, he won't be long for the NBA.
Been saying this since Frank's first game. Was told I was being too hasty, by you among others.
There is plenty of context to this. To say that Frank will never have a shot or have that edge in his first year and come to a full conclusion, then yeah, hasty is appropriate. Don't think I would have used hasty otherwise.
There was a lot of push back on anyone critical of Frank.Knox rookie year has already exposed the hypocrisy and double standards when it comes to Franks rookie year. He offered plenty to be critical about for majority of it.
Not really. Knox has been starting, and playing a good deal more minutes. He's playing against starters, the best, and still managed to be named rookie of the month, before he hit the wall, so to speak.
Knox's path has been tougher. They both have had up and down rookie seasons. Have seen more to build with in Knox's game. Believe Knox's sophomore year will be better than Frank's in part because he has shown himself to be a more aggressive player.
Knox at the moment isn't an effective player in any area of basketball. Not as a scorer, rebounder, playmaker, shooter, defender. With concerns that he may not have the lateral quickness and agility to effectively guard the perimeter. And may need to focus on getting stronger and holding down the stretch PF spot as he ages.
The fact that he won rookie of the months shows how poor the majority of his season has gone with the level of drop off. There is clear reason for it though given his age and need for physical development and conditioning.
The only reason for the lower level of critic despite the same lack of effectiveness(and arguably even less) is *preference*. He isn't held to the same standards set only due to preference not actual effectiveness.
You, Crush and a few others bring up G league a lot for development. Yet when Knox was having months long stretches of funk. Why was there no belief or mention of the G league to build Knox back up?
Just an example of the changeup in mindset. And again not due to actual effectiveness, but preference.
Ive definitely seen the makings of a scorer, the high scoring games being the tipoff
When Knox looks to set up teammates, he is isnt bad at it. Gets tunnel vision too much. Apparently talked to LeBron, who told him to be more of a distributor. We'll see if Knox takes that advice. He's been seeking out the best, past and present for advice. What you want to see from a rook who talks about being a player in this league.
As far as G-League, was in favor of Knox coming off the bench like Frank from the start. Knox started, got the rook of the month award, and ran out of gas. Before sending him to G-League, would have wanted to see a reduction in minutes first, see how Knox responds, then send him to G-League, if necessary. With Frank, reducing his minutes wasnt going to help. Was only playing around 20 mpg. Different situation.
You believe Knox has shown enough as a prospect and Frank hasn't. I don't believe either of them have shown enough as prospects. We will also have e to agree to disagree that Knox has shown more than Frank. He has only shown more in willingness to take more shots. Even if it's ducking his head down and driving into multiple defenders without any real plan or craft to get the shot off. Knox's defense may be just as raw as Frank's offense with Frank showing more flashes offensively than Knox defensively. While Knox offense to be generous is similar level to Frank's defense in terms of effectiveness. But would be willing to give both of them their rookie deals to show enough. And if deals that make sense come along that needs us to trade either of them then so be it.
Agree to disagree? No way man. Knox is a shooter that shoots 36 percent. I've watched enough one dimensional shooters to know that is complete and utter trash. I think Frank's defensive abilities are overstated but I mean at least he offers that to go with 35.6%I'm confused .. you just agreed with newyorknewyork but agreed to disagree.
I'm trying to tell him to stand up for what he believes in. I think Knox likely ends up better but he he has had a shitty fucking year