Knicks · What's the consensus on Dennis Smith Jr? (page 3)

Welpee wrote:

jskinny35 wrote:If we land the #1 it seems like it's Zion. If we land pick #2-5 we have some decisions to make about who to select. If we stick with best prospect available - it seems like we might be looking strongly at Ja Morant. So... do we think Dennis Smith Jr has the tools and talent to be our point guard of the future? If not, we pick Ja and case closed. If we do think - do we still select Ja and try to trade DSJr to a team that needs a point (eg Phx)? Wondering what people here think about DSJr and his possible future here? I'm torn because he seems to have the tools and athletic ability, yet there seems to be a PG quality possibly missing... he's still young, our team sucked this year - so maybe unfair to evaluate? That said, if we are sold on his talent and potential - then we're likely looking at RJ, Rui and others... We in or out on DSJr?

To me, DSJr looks like is an upgraded/more athletic version of O.J. Mayo. Much hype out of high school, puts up numbers but has little impact on winning. He's a guy who thinks he's better than he really is and comes across as a guy who thinks he's already arrived. He's here, he's young and we'll probably be stuck with him for the next couple of years so I'm not giving up on DSjr. But I didn't want us to draft him and watching him play so far as a Knicks just confirmed that in my mind.

I hope the guy has a major attitude and training adjustment during the off-season. Nobody cares about you impressing veteran NBA players in pick-up games with your hops and athleticism. Work on your shooting, defense, hitting free throws, and being a facilitator versus thinking you're already a superstar in-waiting.

DSJ to OJ Mayo is a pretty forced comparison. Coming out of HS, everyone thought Mayo was an elite athlete. His stock slipped at USC but because no one watched USC basketball most assumed he was still an elite athlete. I don't know, maybe something happened but he is not even close to how athletic DSJ is, and OJ was a SG... So I don't like the comp at all from the perspectives of either athleticism or play style

SupremeCommander wrote:

Welpee wrote:

jskinny35 wrote:If we land the #1 it seems like it's Zion. If we land pick #2-5 we have some decisions to make about who to select. If we stick with best prospect available - it seems like we might be looking strongly at Ja Morant. So... do we think Dennis Smith Jr has the tools and talent to be our point guard of the future? If not, we pick Ja and case closed. If we do think - do we still select Ja and try to trade DSJr to a team that needs a point (eg Phx)? Wondering what people here think about DSJr and his possible future here? I'm torn because he seems to have the tools and athletic ability, yet there seems to be a PG quality possibly missing... he's still young, our team sucked this year - so maybe unfair to evaluate? That said, if we are sold on his talent and potential - then we're likely looking at RJ, Rui and others... We in or out on DSJr?

To me, DSJr looks like is an upgraded/more athletic version of O.J. Mayo. Much hype out of high school, puts up numbers but has little impact on winning. He's a guy who thinks he's better than he really is and comes across as a guy who thinks he's already arrived. He's here, he's young and we'll probably be stuck with him for the next couple of years so I'm not giving up on DSjr. But I didn't want us to draft him and watching him play so far as a Knicks just confirmed that in my mind.

I hope the guy has a major attitude and training adjustment during the off-season. Nobody cares about you impressing veteran NBA players in pick-up games with your hops and athleticism. Work on your shooting, defense, hitting free throws, and being a facilitator versus thinking you're already a superstar in-waiting.

DSJ to OJ Mayo is a pretty forced comparison. Coming out of HS, everyone thought Mayo was an elite athlete. His stock slipped at USC but because no one watched USC basketball most assumed he was still an elite athlete. I don't know, maybe something happened but he is not even close to how athletic DSJ is, and OJ was a SG... So I don't like the comp at all from the perspectives of either athleticism or play style

Didn't say anything about style of play. I'm speaking on how their careers unfolded. They both even accepted payment in college and Mayo got USC in trouble with the NCAAs and DSJr. may do the same with NC State.

I totally realize they style of play/position is different. But Mayo and DSJr's path to the NBA is similar, their approach to the game appears similar, their attitude about their talent is similar, and so far the results on the court are similar. What I fear is DSJr's career ends up the way Mayo's career did. Hyped up high school players who thought superstardom was inevitable but ended up just being guys posting empty numbers. Difference is Mayo's career is done. DSJr still has the time and talent to turn it in a different direction.

Welpee wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

Welpee wrote:

jskinny35 wrote:If we land the #1 it seems like it's Zion. If we land pick #2-5 we have some decisions to make about who to select. If we stick with best prospect available - it seems like we might be looking strongly at Ja Morant. So... do we think Dennis Smith Jr has the tools and talent to be our point guard of the future? If not, we pick Ja and case closed. If we do think - do we still select Ja and try to trade DSJr to a team that needs a point (eg Phx)? Wondering what people here think about DSJr and his possible future here? I'm torn because he seems to have the tools and athletic ability, yet there seems to be a PG quality possibly missing... he's still young, our team sucked this year - so maybe unfair to evaluate? That said, if we are sold on his talent and potential - then we're likely looking at RJ, Rui and others... We in or out on DSJr?

To me, DSJr looks like is an upgraded/more athletic version of O.J. Mayo. Much hype out of high school, puts up numbers but has little impact on winning. He's a guy who thinks he's better than he really is and comes across as a guy who thinks he's already arrived. He's here, he's young and we'll probably be stuck with him for the next couple of years so I'm not giving up on DSjr. But I didn't want us to draft him and watching him play so far as a Knicks just confirmed that in my mind.

I hope the guy has a major attitude and training adjustment during the off-season. Nobody cares about you impressing veteran NBA players in pick-up games with your hops and athleticism. Work on your shooting, defense, hitting free throws, and being a facilitator versus thinking you're already a superstar in-waiting.

DSJ to OJ Mayo is a pretty forced comparison. Coming out of HS, everyone thought Mayo was an elite athlete. His stock slipped at USC but because no one watched USC basketball most assumed he was still an elite athlete. I don't know, maybe something happened but he is not even close to how athletic DSJ is, and OJ was a SG... So I don't like the comp at all from the perspectives of either athleticism or play style

Didn't say anything about style of play. I'm speaking on how their careers unfolded. They both even accepted payment in college and Mayo got USC in trouble with the NCAAs and DSJr. may do the same with NC State.

I totally realize they style of play/position is different. But Mayo and DSJr's path to the NBA is similar, their approach to the game appears similar, their attitude about their talent is similar, and so far the results on the court are similar. What I fear is DSJr's career ends up the way Mayo's career did. Hyped up high school players who thought superstardom was inevitable but ended up just being guys posting empty numbers. Difference is Mayo's career is done. DSJr still has the time and talent to turn it in a different direction.

college payments? that's what make them alike?

You literally said "To me, DSJr looks like is an upgraded/more athletic version of O.J. Mayo."

Even with you reinventing the previous post, it still makes no sense. Please explain how their career trajectories are the same

SupremeCommander wrote:

Welpee wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

Welpee wrote:

jskinny35 wrote:If we land the #1 it seems like it's Zion. If we land pick #2-5 we have some decisions to make about who to select. If we stick with best prospect available - it seems like we might be looking strongly at Ja Morant. So... do we think Dennis Smith Jr has the tools and talent to be our point guard of the future? If not, we pick Ja and case closed. If we do think - do we still select Ja and try to trade DSJr to a team that needs a point (eg Phx)? Wondering what people here think about DSJr and his possible future here? I'm torn because he seems to have the tools and athletic ability, yet there seems to be a PG quality possibly missing... he's still young, our team sucked this year - so maybe unfair to evaluate? That said, if we are sold on his talent and potential - then we're likely looking at RJ, Rui and others... We in or out on DSJr?

To me, DSJr looks like is an upgraded/more athletic version of O.J. Mayo. Much hype out of high school, puts up numbers but has little impact on winning. He's a guy who thinks he's better than he really is and comes across as a guy who thinks he's already arrived. He's here, he's young and we'll probably be stuck with him for the next couple of years so I'm not giving up on DSjr. But I didn't want us to draft him and watching him play so far as a Knicks just confirmed that in my mind.

I hope the guy has a major attitude and training adjustment during the off-season. Nobody cares about you impressing veteran NBA players in pick-up games with your hops and athleticism. Work on your shooting, defense, hitting free throws, and being a facilitator versus thinking you're already a superstar in-waiting.

DSJ to OJ Mayo is a pretty forced comparison. Coming out of HS, everyone thought Mayo was an elite athlete. His stock slipped at USC but because no one watched USC basketball most assumed he was still an elite athlete. I don't know, maybe something happened but he is not even close to how athletic DSJ is, and OJ was a SG... So I don't like the comp at all from the perspectives of either athleticism or play style

Didn't say anything about style of play. I'm speaking on how their careers unfolded. They both even accepted payment in college and Mayo got USC in trouble with the NCAAs and DSJr. may do the same with NC State.

I totally realize they style of play/position is different. But Mayo and DSJr's path to the NBA is similar, their approach to the game appears similar, their attitude about their talent is similar, and so far the results on the court are similar. What I fear is DSJr's career ends up the way Mayo's career did. Hyped up high school players who thought superstardom was inevitable but ended up just being guys posting empty numbers. Difference is Mayo's career is done. DSJr still has the time and talent to turn it in a different direction.

college payments? that's what make them alike?

You literally said "To me, DSJr looks like is an upgraded/more athletic version of O.J. Mayo."

Even with you reinventing the previous post, it still makes no sense. Please explain how their career trajectories are the same

Dude, if you don't understand my post there's nothing else I can explain to you.

nykshaknbake wrote:

fishmike wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:The consensus is he will be out of the league in 5 years. sorry not high on him at all...europe and china are calling

Really? You are the first guy I have heard say this. I think there is a split opinion in terms of guys that make their living talking about this stuff. Guys that I know think he is going to be a very good pro include Nste Duncan, Danny Leroux, and Sam Vecenie. I haven’t heard anyone say he would be out of the league or in Europe. Who is a part of this consensus?

If I say it its hate because I "am a Frank guy."
Right now DSjr doesnt do anything well enough to stay in the league for very long. We havent seen anything that says floor general or PG. We have seen every 4th-5th game flashes of high caliber play followed but utterly head scratching play. There is no urgency on defense either. I mean he's super athletic and can surely get the rim. Right now he looks like a bench scorer. A taller Nate Robinson. A guy who shows some tantalizing scoring prowess but has no clear path to NBA success.

I hope I am wrong! He's got talent. I am not high on DSjr, but I do like the collection of guys that INCLUDE DSjr. He's a super athletic fast quick guy who can surely score and handle the ball. Can we work that into a winning NBA team? We'll see! This what it means to rebuild. Some of these guys take a few years.

He's not ready to run a team. 6th man would be good where he's asked to come in and attack and score.

Well I do think you being a Frank guy cloud things for you. Dsj has shown good drive and kick ability and his passing is better usually than anyone else on the team. His stats aren't spectacular but pretty middling in the NBA. But to a Frank guy that = out of the league and Frank is a future all star. You clearly are measuring the two with different rulers.

Still think Smith is our best prospect at PG. Do question his motor (did not see such a low interest level in Dallas) and ability to improve his outside shot. Feel Frank will probably develop into a decent two way role player but probably not as a Knick. Hoping we bring back Mudiay on team friendly deal. However, Imo, think its time to trade all these question marks and what if's for proven FA's. Tired of all the losing and the wannabee fortune telling GM's talking about which 19 year old, first year rookie they think will be the next MJ. Think we needed to accumulate assets but now its time to let some other teams fan base live in draft dream land. As we saw with KP, you can wait for years, finally hit the lottery only and still have nothing to show for it.

HofstraBBall wrote:

nykshaknbake wrote:

fishmike wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:The consensus is he will be out of the league in 5 years. sorry not high on him at all...europe and china are calling

Really? You are the first guy I have heard say this. I think there is a split opinion in terms of guys that make their living talking about this stuff. Guys that I know think he is going to be a very good pro include Nste Duncan, Danny Leroux, and Sam Vecenie. I haven’t heard anyone say he would be out of the league or in Europe. Who is a part of this consensus?

If I say it its hate because I "am a Frank guy."
Right now DSjr doesnt do anything well enough to stay in the league for very long. We havent seen anything that says floor general or PG. We have seen every 4th-5th game flashes of high caliber play followed but utterly head scratching play. There is no urgency on defense either. I mean he's super athletic and can surely get the rim. Right now he looks like a bench scorer. A taller Nate Robinson. A guy who shows some tantalizing scoring prowess but has no clear path to NBA success.

I hope I am wrong! He's got talent. I am not high on DSjr, but I do like the collection of guys that INCLUDE DSjr. He's a super athletic fast quick guy who can surely score and handle the ball. Can we work that into a winning NBA team? We'll see! This what it means to rebuild. Some of these guys take a few years.

He's not ready to run a team. 6th man would be good where he's asked to come in and attack and score.

Well I do think you being a Frank guy cloud things for you. Dsj has shown good drive and kick ability and his passing is better usually than anyone else on the team. His stats aren't spectacular but pretty middling in the NBA. But to a Frank guy that = out of the league and Frank is a future all star. You clearly are measuring the two with different rulers.

Still think Smith is our best prospect at PG. Do question his motor (did not see such a low interest level in Dallas) and ability to improve his outside shot. Feel Frank will probably develop into a decent two way role player but probably not as a Knick. Hoping we bring back Mudiay on team friendly deal. However, Imo, think its time to trade all these question marks and what if's for proven FA's. Tired of all the losing and the wannabee fortune telling GM's talking about which 19 year old, first year rookie they think will be the next MJ. Think we needed to accumulate assets but now its time to let some other teams fan base live in draft dream land. As we saw with KP, you can wait for years, finally hit the lottery only and still have nothing to show for it.

Yeah that's the sad part of it all, and our assets aren't even blue chip

knicks1248 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

nykshaknbake wrote:

fishmike wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:The consensus is he will be out of the league in 5 years. sorry not high on him at all...europe and china are calling

Really? You are the first guy I have heard say this. I think there is a split opinion in terms of guys that make their living talking about this stuff. Guys that I know think he is going to be a very good pro include Nste Duncan, Danny Leroux, and Sam Vecenie. I haven’t heard anyone say he would be out of the league or in Europe. Who is a part of this consensus?

If I say it its hate because I "am a Frank guy."
Right now DSjr doesnt do anything well enough to stay in the league for very long. We havent seen anything that says floor general or PG. We have seen every 4th-5th game flashes of high caliber play followed but utterly head scratching play. There is no urgency on defense either. I mean he's super athletic and can surely get the rim. Right now he looks like a bench scorer. A taller Nate Robinson. A guy who shows some tantalizing scoring prowess but has no clear path to NBA success.

I hope I am wrong! He's got talent. I am not high on DSjr, but I do like the collection of guys that INCLUDE DSjr. He's a super athletic fast quick guy who can surely score and handle the ball. Can we work that into a winning NBA team? We'll see! This what it means to rebuild. Some of these guys take a few years.

He's not ready to run a team. 6th man would be good where he's asked to come in and attack and score.

Well I do think you being a Frank guy cloud things for you. Dsj has shown good drive and kick ability and his passing is better usually than anyone else on the team. His stats aren't spectacular but pretty middling in the NBA. But to a Frank guy that = out of the league and Frank is a future all star. You clearly are measuring the two with different rulers.

Still think Smith is our best prospect at PG. Do question his motor (did not see such a low interest level in Dallas) and ability to improve his outside shot. Feel Frank will probably develop into a decent two way role player but probably not as a Knick. Hoping we bring back Mudiay on team friendly deal. However, Imo, think its time to trade all these question marks and what if's for proven FA's. Tired of all the losing and the wannabee fortune telling GM's talking about which 19 year old, first year rookie they think will be the next MJ. Think we needed to accumulate assets but now its time to let some other teams fan base live in draft dream land. As we saw with KP, you can wait for years, finally hit the lottery only and still have nothing to show for it.

Yeah that's the sad part of it all, and our assets aren't even blue chip

This called rebuild.
If there are no people to make organization accountable the reality will do it without any people help.
After doing 20 years of sht this organization deserve to be a sht, roll in it, and leave in it.
"No one get to heaven without spend a while in hell".

I liked DSJr, until I seen his performance game after game as a Knick. I'm glad we selected Frank over DSJr in the draft.
Frank is more of a Starter/Finisher than DSJr .. I wanted Frank to be our 6th man off the bench the first 3 seasons (same as Boston combo-guard Smart). But now after DSJr arrived I would put Frank in the starter lineup as a combo-guard, and have DSJr as the 6th/7th man off the bench to bring energy-scoring to a transition bench unit.
Perry's deadline trade for PG-Mudiay, then the next season deadline trade for PG-DSJr, having a head coach with no type of offense/defense plan system in both previous season says more bout the judgement of Knicks mismanagement than it does bout anything else. For Perry to have a winning Knick season he has to sign or trade for an experience player/coach PG, someone having "Chris Paul" talent.

Kemet wrote:I liked DSJr, until I seen his performance game after game as a Knick. I'm glad we selected Frank over DSJr in the draft.
Frank is more of a Starter/Finisher than DSJr .. I wanted Frank to be our 6th man off the bench the first 3 seasons (same as Boston combo-guard Smart). But now after DSJr arrived I would put Frank in the starter lineup as a combo-guard, and have DSJr as the 6th/7th man off the bench to bring energy-scoring to a transition bench unit.
Perry's deadline trade for PG-Mudiay, then the next season deadline trade for PG-DSJr, having a head coach with no type of offense/defense plan system in both previous season says more bout the judgement of Knicks mismanagement than it does bout anything else. For Perry to have a winning Knick season he has to sign or trade for an experience player/coach PG, someone having "Chris Paul" talent.

If Frank has been shopped to other teams, if Frank is shopped in the near future, its due to the fact that Frank cant finish. If Frank cant keep the defense honest, he shouldn't start. This ain't the Triangle.

Noticed his last game that some players where looking him off when he called for the ball, while bringing the ball up. Not calling their own number either. My guess is that some teammates figure that Frank isnt going to challenge the defense, isnt going to do anything that will put the other team on their heels. Frank is going to dribble the ball to the top of the key and give up the rock, no matter what he sees. They can do that.

Not saying its right, but Frank better come up with some offense wherever he ends up, or thats going to be his rep when it comes to that side of the ball.

The back issues are concerning, but considering that DSjr is still on his rookie contract. A year to see how he holds up, develops, is worth the look. Put a PG who passes more than credited, and also a dynamic scorer, next to a better, more veteran roster, we would have a better idea of how good a fit DSJr would be.

Wasnt an ideal situation for an 18 year old rookie starting PG in Dallas, or when a ball dominant player like Doncic arrived. Hasnt been an ideal situation here with the lack of impact vets, but Smith jr has shown he can produce.

Considering he has been putting up decent numbers with a sore back. Would like to see how a fully healthy Smith jr would do on a much improved roster. Something he has never been a part of, as a college player, or pro. Worth the look IMO.

I think some are missing the point. There is no question Ja is a better prospect than Smith. The issue is do you draft Ja and trade or keep Smith or do you keep Smith and draft Barrett. IMO there are only three guys in this draft with can't miss talent. Zion, Ja, and Barret. There will be other guys that are good but those three are going to be special from the start. If we get pick 1, we take Zion. If we get 2nd pick, I am taking Barrett. Smith still looks like he can become a good pg and while Dotson has looked decent, he still is not what I consider to be a starting SG. Barrett will be a solid defender and a huge upgrade at SG. If we get the 3rd pick, you draft Ja and then either trade or keep Smith.

TheGame wrote:I think some are missing the point. There is no question Ja is a better prospect than Smith. The issue is do you draft Ja and trade or keep Smith or do you keep Smith and draft Barrett. IMO there are only three guys in this draft with can't miss talent. Zion, Ja, and Barret. There will be other guys that are good but those three are going to be special from the start. If we get pick 1, we take Zion. If we get 2nd pick, I am taking Barrett. Smith still looks like he can become a good pg and while Dotson has looked decent, he still is not what I consider to be a starting SG. Barrett will be a solid defender and a huge upgrade at SG. If we get the 3rd pick, you draft Ja and then either trade or keep Smith.

for me it's clear that DSJr has a ton more talent than Dot but neither has impressed me as a long term starter - now or down the line - on a deep playoff team.

Kemet wrote:I liked DSJr, until I seen his performance game after game as a Knick. I'm glad we selected Frank over DSJr in the draft.
Frank is more of a Starter/Finisher than DSJr .. I wanted Frank to be our 6th man off the bench the first 3 seasons (same as Boston combo-guard Smart). But now after DSJr arrived I would put Frank in the starter lineup as a combo-guard, and have DSJr as the 6th/7th man off the bench to bring energy-scoring to a transition bench unit.
Perry's deadline trade for PG-Mudiay, then the next season deadline trade for PG-DSJr, having a head coach with no type of offense/defense plan system in both previous season says more bout the judgement of Knicks mismanagement than it does bout anything else. For Perry to have a winning Knick season he has to sign or trade for an experience player/coach PG, someone having "Chris Paul" talent.

lillard is a combo guard, westbrook is a combo guard, CJ is a combo guard, Lou williams is a combo guard, even Trier is considered a combo guard FRANK isn't a combo guard even in your wildest imagination. In over a 100 games he is yet to score 20 lousy points

knicks1248 wrote:

Kemet wrote:I liked DSJr, until I seen his performance game after game as a Knick. I'm glad we selected Frank over DSJr in the draft.
Frank is more of a Starter/Finisher than DSJr .. I wanted Frank to be our 6th man off the bench the first 3 seasons (same as Boston combo-guard Smart). But now after DSJr arrived I would put Frank in the starter lineup as a combo-guard, and have DSJr as the 6th/7th man off the bench to bring energy-scoring to a transition bench unit.
Perry's deadline trade for PG-Mudiay, then the next season deadline trade for PG-DSJr, having a head coach with no type of offense/defense plan system in both previous season says more bout the judgement of Knicks mismanagement than it does bout anything else. For Perry to have a winning Knick season he has to sign or trade for an experience player/coach PG, someone having "Chris Paul" talent.

lillard is a combo guard, westbrook is a combo guard, CJ is a combo guard, Lou williams is a combo guard, even Trier is considered a combo guard FRANK isn't a combo guard even in your wildest imagination. In over a 100 games he is yet to score 20 lousy points

In the 100 games Frank played how many games have Frank shot 10 or more shots?
I'm waiting? I'm still waiting?
In DSJ 3rd regular season game as a rookie he took above 45 shots.
Why did an experience head-coach Carlisle put DSJ on the trade table after one season?

DSJ are not a 2-Way player, nor is DSJ a starter or Finisher or winner player on a winning team, he's a young scorer with decent ball handling skills that need to play consistently in the same lineup with 2 or more vet players to learn how to compliment his teammates on both sides of the court.

Welpee wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

Welpee wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

Welpee wrote:

jskinny35 wrote:If we land the #1 it seems like it's Zion. If we land pick #2-5 we have some decisions to make about who to select. If we stick with best prospect available - it seems like we might be looking strongly at Ja Morant. So... do we think Dennis Smith Jr has the tools and talent to be our point guard of the future? If not, we pick Ja and case closed. If we do think - do we still select Ja and try to trade DSJr to a team that needs a point (eg Phx)? Wondering what people here think about DSJr and his possible future here? I'm torn because he seems to have the tools and athletic ability, yet there seems to be a PG quality possibly missing... he's still young, our team sucked this year - so maybe unfair to evaluate? That said, if we are sold on his talent and potential - then we're likely looking at RJ, Rui and others... We in or out on DSJr?

To me, DSJr looks like is an upgraded/more athletic version of O.J. Mayo. Much hype out of high school, puts up numbers but has little impact on winning. He's a guy who thinks he's better than he really is and comes across as a guy who thinks he's already arrived. He's here, he's young and we'll probably be stuck with him for the next couple of years so I'm not giving up on DSjr. But I didn't want us to draft him and watching him play so far as a Knicks just confirmed that in my mind.

I hope the guy has a major attitude and training adjustment during the off-season. Nobody cares about you impressing veteran NBA players in pick-up games with your hops and athleticism. Work on your shooting, defense, hitting free throws, and being a facilitator versus thinking you're already a superstar in-waiting.

DSJ to OJ Mayo is a pretty forced comparison. Coming out of HS, everyone thought Mayo was an elite athlete. His stock slipped at USC but because no one watched USC basketball most assumed he was still an elite athlete. I don't know, maybe something happened but he is not even close to how athletic DSJ is, and OJ was a SG... So I don't like the comp at all from the perspectives of either athleticism or play style

Didn't say anything about style of play. I'm speaking on how their careers unfolded. They both even accepted payment in college and Mayo got USC in trouble with the NCAAs and DSJr. may do the same with NC State.

I totally realize they style of play/position is different. But Mayo and DSJr's path to the NBA is similar, their approach to the game appears similar, their attitude about their talent is similar, and so far the results on the court are similar. What I fear is DSJr's career ends up the way Mayo's career did. Hyped up high school players who thought superstardom was inevitable but ended up just being guys posting empty numbers. Difference is Mayo's career is done. DSJr still has the time and talent to turn it in a different direction.

college payments? that's what make them alike?

You literally said "To me, DSJr looks like is an upgraded/more athletic version of O.J. Mayo."

Even with you reinventing the previous post, it still makes no sense. Please explain how their career trajectories are the same

Dude, if you don't understand my post there's nothing else I can explain to you.

all right, feel free to keep making stuff up in the old thought box

martin wrote:

TheGame wrote:I think some are missing the point. There is no question Ja is a better prospect than Smith. The issue is do you draft Ja and trade or keep Smith or do you keep Smith and draft Barrett. IMO there are only three guys in this draft with can't miss talent. Zion, Ja, and Barret. There will be other guys that are good but those three are going to be special from the start. If we get pick 1, we take Zion. If we get 2nd pick, I am taking Barrett. Smith still looks like he can become a good pg and while Dotson has looked decent, he still is not what I consider to be a starting SG. Barrett will be a solid defender and a huge upgrade at SG. If we get the 3rd pick, you draft Ja and then either trade or keep Smith.

for me it's clear that DSJr has a ton more talent than Dot but neither has impressed me as a long term starter - now or down the line - on a deep playoff team.

Perry's mismanagement decision-making repeated itself two times on the trade deadline by trading for a young low-IQ PG in Mudiay, then trading for another young low IQ PG in DSJ the next season.
Dotson has become a nice consistent 2-Way SG in his 2nd season that belong in lineups having a average playmaking PG (last season Jack) to bring wins to a Knicks team.

Ja Morant 2-Way performance in college has showed to have a higher B.ball IQ, plus are more athletic on both sides of the court than Mudiay, DSJ, and Frank. Morant should stay another season in college to become a first pick to win a NBA ROY !!!