Would you want him as a back up plan if we miss out on you know who? I don't want give him a long term deal.
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One Western Conference executive thinks he knows which teams could think that way. "He'll be the Lakers' or the Knicks' consolation prize," he said according to Ken Berger of Bleacher Report. Of course, on paper, neither team makes much of any sense.
JesseDark wrote:Would you want him as a back up plan if we miss out on you know who? I don't want give him a long term deal.https://247sports.com/nba/golden-state-w...
One Western Conference executive thinks he knows which teams could think that way. "He'll be the Lakers' or the Knicks' consolation prize," he said according to Ken Berger of Bleacher Report. Of course, on paper, neither team makes much of any sense.
This is the Amaresque signing I really dont want to see either. Cousins handling NY is one concern, big injuries are another. Was interested before the injuries, and Mitch. Sometimes the best deal is the one you walk away from. Resisting the temptation to sign Cousins if we strike out in free agency will be Perry/Mills second big test. Trading Melo (with his NTC) without doing long term damage to the cap, was the first.
WAY too injury prone and not a great candidate to lead the team. Pass.
Allanfan20 wrote:WAY too injury prone and not a great candidate to lead the team. Pass.
Yeah I agree, he is not the guy you want setting the tone of the locker room, especially on a young team.
only way i'd sign cousins is if kd and kyrie come here and he'd be willing to come off the bench. no way i'd commit to him being a starter
I am hoping they do what they say and don’t have a plan b in regards to using cap space on free agents. If they don’t get the K’s, I hope they use the space to acquire assets.
Plan G - this would worse then signing a Kris Middleton or B rated star for the max. He's talented but injured a lot and seems like a lousy locker room influence. As talented as he is, would really have to think about it even if he were willing to pay for the league minimum... He should go the the Spurs
Plan be is not “Players” but a process. Where does it lead?
To me Amare was a reaction. Melo was not well thought out long term in my opinion.
Even the Durant/Kyrie plan requires roster changes.
Thus I’d have to be prepared to trade Zion and change for AD and roll with him, Durant and Kyrie.
Plan B? C? D? They all might be quite good but I don’t know them or the goal which each.
Nalod wrote:Plan be is not “Players” but a process. Where does it lead?
To me Amare was a reaction. Melo was not well thought out long term in my opinion.
Even the Durant/Kyrie plan requires roster changes.
Thus I’d have to be prepared to trade Zion and change for AD and roll with him, Durant and Kyrie.
Plan B? C? D? They all might be quite good but I don’t know them or the goal which each.
I would not like going that route because 2 of the three players are very injury prone. Not for Zion. Morant/Barrett sure.
Knicks can build around Zion for more than a decade. Injuries start piling up, dont believe these are the three to handle the media scrutiny. Would rather take the long road with a player this good.
As good as Ewing was, the 70s championship teams, never had that transcendent player that other franchises have as part of their foundation, legacy. Watching that happen at MSG would be amazing. Especially for the next generation of Knicks fans.
The window for that trio would be very brief, Im guessing. Of course if it happened I wouldn't get all broken up about it either.
GustavBahler wrote:Nalod wrote:Plan be is not “Players” but a process. Where does it lead?
To me Amare was a reaction. Melo was not well thought out long term in my opinion.
Even the Durant/Kyrie plan requires roster changes.
Thus I’d have to be prepared to trade Zion and change for AD and roll with him, Durant and Kyrie.
Plan B? C? D? They all might be quite good but I don’t know them or the goal which each.
I would not like going that route because 2 of the three players are very injury prone. Not for Zion. Morant/Barrett sure.
Knicks can build around Zion for more than a decade. Injuries start piling up, dont believe these are the three to handle the media scrutiny. Would rather take the long road with a player this good.
As good as Ewing was, the 70s championship teams, never had that transcendent player that other franchises have as part of their foundation, legacy. Watching that happen at MSG would be amazing. Especially for the next generation of Knicks fans.
The window for that trio would be very brief, Im guessing. Of course if it happened I wouldn't get all broken up about it either.
Good points. There are so many combinations it makes the head spin. LIkely many of us will be not thrilled with a lessor than fantasy situations but the reality is more probable it will not be what we hoped. The path changes so often that to draw a line in the sand is not in my wheelhouse. I have taken sabbatical from the UK and relented after a few weeks. Knicks are my years long reality show with drama, tears, and hope. Is there gratification if no Chip?
Nalod wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Nalod wrote:Plan be is not “Players” but a process. Where does it lead?
To me Amare was a reaction. Melo was not well thought out long term in my opinion.
Even the Durant/Kyrie plan requires roster changes.
Thus I’d have to be prepared to trade Zion and change for AD and roll with him, Durant and Kyrie.
Plan B? C? D? They all might be quite good but I don’t know them or the goal which each.
I would not like going that route because 2 of the three players are very injury prone. Not for Zion. Morant/Barrett sure.
Knicks can build around Zion for more than a decade. Injuries start piling up, dont believe these are the three to handle the media scrutiny. Would rather take the long road with a player this good.
As good as Ewing was, the 70s championship teams, never had that transcendent player that other franchises have as part of their foundation, legacy. Watching that happen at MSG would be amazing. Especially for the next generation of Knicks fans.
The window for that trio would be very brief, Im guessing. Of course if it happened I wouldn't get all broken up about it either.
Good points. There are so many combinations it makes the head spin. LIkely many of us will be not thrilled with a lessor than fantasy situations but the reality is more probable it will not be what we hoped. The path changes so often that to draw a line in the sand is not in my wheelhouse. I have taken sabbatical from the UK and relented after a few weeks. Knicks are my years long reality show with drama, tears, and hope. Is there gratification if no Chip?
Im hoping if KD and Kyrie join the Knicks, we win the Zion lotto. KD/Kyrie/Mitch/Zion, would be our "Big 4". 2 vets, two young players, to take the baton..eventually. Other players on the team might step up as well. Thats a short and a long term plan at the same time. A lot would have to go right however.
If its below at top 3 pick, Im all for bargaining. Davis would probably be the only player I would give up for Morant, who isnt an FA this summer.
GustavBahler wrote:Nalod wrote:Plan be is not “Players” but a process. Where does it lead?
To me Amare was a reaction. Melo was not well thought out long term in my opinion.
Even the Durant/Kyrie plan requires roster changes.
Thus I’d have to be prepared to trade Zion and change for AD and roll with him, Durant and Kyrie.
Plan B? C? D? They all might be quite good but I don’t know them or the goal which each.
I would not like going that route because 2 of the three players are very injury prone. Not for Zion. Morant/Barrett sure.
Knicks can build around Zion for more than a decade. Injuries start piling up, dont believe these are the three to handle the media scrutiny. Would rather take the long road with a player this good.
As good as Ewing was, the 70s championship teams, never had that transcendent player that other franchises have as part of their foundation, legacy. Watching that happen at MSG would be amazing. Especially for the next generation of Knicks fans.
The window for that trio would be very brief, Im guessing. Of course if it happened I wouldn't get all broken up about it either.
I agree. Also, I think any trade for AD would involve moving Mitch. The Lnicks have been bad for a long time but this is the first time they have tried to remedy that by building through the draft, having cap space, young players and 7 first round picks in 5 years. It feels like the right approach and it is easier for me to be patient. Having the first pick in the second round would have been nice.
I'd rather Julius randle as a plan B
SupremeCommander wrote:I'd rather Julius randle as a plan B
I agree....and my fear is zion turns out to be another julius randle....but that's a different discussion.
I had 2 Achilles injuries and I knew he would come back and perform well, from personal experience..now i never had a quad tear, but i still think hes too talented and too young to not perform.
But i didnt want him b4 the injuries....I thought he was a good cheap gamble after the Achilles tear...now hes someone that will ride the bench on a championship team.....not a team looking to develop a positive culture. But a team like the Lakers with an alpha Male in bron. Or GS, assuming they still have a championship ready team next season.
blkexec wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:I'd rather Julius randle as a plan B
I agree....and my fear is zion turns out to be another julius randle....but that's a different discussion.
I had 2 Achilles injuries and I knew he would come back and perform well, from personal experience..now i never had a quad tear, but i still think hes too talented and too young to not perform.
But i didnt want him b4 the injuries....I thought he was a good cheap gamble after the Achilles tear...now hes someone that will ride the bench on a championship team.....not a team looking to develop a positive culture. But a team like the Lakers with an alpha Male in bron. Or GS, assuming they still have a championship ready team next season.
Zion is Julius Handle on Rocket fuel. I wouldn't worry about it too much. Not to crap on Handle, because he's solid. I agree that Boogie doesn't make sense, unless it's on a friendly prove it deal. Even then, I'd have to think about it. Do we really need him around with Mitch here?
Plan A should be ..
Resign DJ as our starting center ..
Then sign FA Randle as our starting PF ..
Then go hard to sign FA Klay Thompson or FA Patrick Beverley to be our starter Guard !!!
That’s thinking outside of the box. I wouldn’t want DJ as a starter, just as the backup/mentor to Mitch. The rest of the plan I like.
If we give COusins the max I'm done as a Knick fan
Cousins had to take a min salary last season because he didn't get any offers from anyone, he's not even a plan E.
Kemet wrote:Plan A should be ..
Resign DJ as our starting center ..
Then sign FA Randle as our starting PF ..
Then go hard to sign FA Klay Thompson or FA Patrick Beverley to be our starter Guard !!!
Patrick Beverly ?? Are you related to him or something?
