NardDogNation wrote:TLover wrote:If the Knicks don’t think they can sign Kawahi then maybe they take on Wiggins while getting the #11 pick & maybe more for their troubles.I’m NOT for trading for Wiggins bc his contract is terrible and his play has regressed.
His stats though were better before Jimmy Butler was there; he’s 24 and from Ontario like RJ Barrett.
It seems way too big of a risk but maybe a coach like Fiz can bring out the best in him.
I'd be willing to take Gorgui Dieng (~$15 million per) for that pick but not Wiggins. That contract is too crippling to ever justify getting. I'm not even sure Wiggins will still be in the league before it expires. One catastrophic injury and he's barely G-league material.
I also wonder what they plan on doing with Jeff Teague's expirer. He might be useful as a stopgap at PG. I suppose I'd do Jeff Teague and Gorgui Dieng for the 11th pick and a future pick swap. I'd really like to target Sekou Doumbouya with the pick.
We have had a stop gap PG since charlie ward, when is that going to end
The FO should not be concern with adding more 18/19 yr olds or adding 1 yr players. That just makes no sense, the results of that route produce 17 wins
knicks1248 wrote:NardDogNation wrote:TLover wrote:If the Knicks don’t think they can sign Kawahi then maybe they take on Wiggins while getting the #11 pick & maybe more for their troubles.I’m NOT for trading for Wiggins bc his contract is terrible and his play has regressed.
His stats though were better before Jimmy Butler was there; he’s 24 and from Ontario like RJ Barrett.
It seems way too big of a risk but maybe a coach like Fiz can bring out the best in him.
I'd be willing to take Gorgui Dieng (~$15 million per) for that pick but not Wiggins. That contract is too crippling to ever justify getting. I'm not even sure Wiggins will still be in the league before it expires. One catastrophic injury and he's barely G-league material.
I also wonder what they plan on doing with Jeff Teague's expirer. He might be useful as a stopgap at PG. I suppose I'd do Jeff Teague and Gorgui Dieng for the 11th pick and a future pick swap. I'd really like to target Sekou Doumbouya with the pick.
We have had a stop gap PG since charlie ward, when is that going to end
The FO should not be concern with adding more 18/19 yr olds or adding 1 yr players. That just makes no sense, the results of that route produce 17 wins
damn you really hate youth dont you
Knicksfan wrote:
holy dismantle. Possible guys leaving: Kyrie, Horford, Baynes, Morris (don't know why but I'd guess he jets for a bigger contract). Rozier is UFA and looking for an upgrade, and if Boston resigns him they have a backcourt that can guard but not shoot).
martin wrote:Knicksfan wrote:
holy dismantle. Possible guys leaving: Kyrie, Horford, Baynes, Morris (don't know why but I'd guess he jets for a bigger contract). Rozier is UFA and looking for an upgrade, and if Boston resigns him they have a backcourt that can guard but not shoot).
Crazy after all those trades and picks they acquired and cap space. Granted Hayward getting injured set them back.
With that said I can see them landing Vooch or Boogie. And they got 3 picks this first round to utilize.
Knicksfan wrote:
Wasn't he meant to be a valuable role player?
smackeddog wrote:Knicksfan wrote:
Wasn't he meant to be a valuable role player?
you could say that about 80 percent of their roster
StarksEwing1 wrote:knicks1248 wrote:NardDogNation wrote:TLover wrote:If the Knicks don’t think they can sign Kawahi then maybe they take on Wiggins while getting the #11 pick & maybe more for their troubles.I’m NOT for trading for Wiggins bc his contract is terrible and his play has regressed.
His stats though were better before Jimmy Butler was there; he’s 24 and from Ontario like RJ Barrett.
It seems way too big of a risk but maybe a coach like Fiz can bring out the best in him.
I'd be willing to take Gorgui Dieng (~$15 million per) for that pick but not Wiggins. That contract is too crippling to ever justify getting. I'm not even sure Wiggins will still be in the league before it expires. One catastrophic injury and he's barely G-league material.
I also wonder what they plan on doing with Jeff Teague's expirer. He might be useful as a stopgap at PG. I suppose I'd do Jeff Teague and Gorgui Dieng for the 11th pick and a future pick swap. I'd really like to target Sekou Doumbouya with the pick.
We have had a stop gap PG since charlie ward, when is that going to end
The FO should not be concern with adding more 18/19 yr olds or adding 1 yr players. That just makes no sense, the results of that route produce 17 wins
damn you really hate youth dont you
We suck at development, it's not even up for debate
19 yrs care about playing fortnite for 6 hrs, partying, chics, friends, family, and finding ways to spend their new found millions in NYC. On the court, they care about their individual #s.
You heard fiz say that more than a dozen times over the course of the season..
knicks1248 wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:knicks1248 wrote:NardDogNation wrote:TLover wrote:If the Knicks don’t think they can sign Kawahi then maybe they take on Wiggins while getting the #11 pick & maybe more for their troubles.I’m NOT for trading for Wiggins bc his contract is terrible and his play has regressed.
His stats though were better before Jimmy Butler was there; he’s 24 and from Ontario like RJ Barrett.
It seems way too big of a risk but maybe a coach like Fiz can bring out the best in him.
I'd be willing to take Gorgui Dieng (~$15 million per) for that pick but not Wiggins. That contract is too crippling to ever justify getting. I'm not even sure Wiggins will still be in the league before it expires. One catastrophic injury and he's barely G-league material.
I also wonder what they plan on doing with Jeff Teague's expirer. He might be useful as a stopgap at PG. I suppose I'd do Jeff Teague and Gorgui Dieng for the 11th pick and a future pick swap. I'd really like to target Sekou Doumbouya with the pick.
We have had a stop gap PG since charlie ward, when is that going to end
The FO should not be concern with adding more 18/19 yr olds or adding 1 yr players. That just makes no sense, the results of that route produce 17 wins
damn you really hate youth dont you
We suck at development, it's not even up for debate
19 yrs care about playing fortnite for 6 hrs, partying, chics, friends, family, and finding ways to spend their new found millions in NYC. On the court, they care about their individual #s.
You heard fiz say that more than a dozen times over the course of the season..
Fiz also said he loves the kids and they are all getting better. So now we are good at development! Fixed!
fishmike wrote:knicks1248 wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:knicks1248 wrote:NardDogNation wrote:TLover wrote:If the Knicks don’t think they can sign Kawahi then maybe they take on Wiggins while getting the #11 pick & maybe more for their troubles.I’m NOT for trading for Wiggins bc his contract is terrible and his play has regressed.
His stats though were better before Jimmy Butler was there; he’s 24 and from Ontario like RJ Barrett.
It seems way too big of a risk but maybe a coach like Fiz can bring out the best in him.
I'd be willing to take Gorgui Dieng (~$15 million per) for that pick but not Wiggins. That contract is too crippling to ever justify getting. I'm not even sure Wiggins will still be in the league before it expires. One catastrophic injury and he's barely G-league material.
I also wonder what they plan on doing with Jeff Teague's expirer. He might be useful as a stopgap at PG. I suppose I'd do Jeff Teague and Gorgui Dieng for the 11th pick and a future pick swap. I'd really like to target Sekou Doumbouya with the pick.
We have had a stop gap PG since charlie ward, when is that going to end
The FO should not be concern with adding more 18/19 yr olds or adding 1 yr players. That just makes no sense, the results of that route produce 17 wins
damn you really hate youth dont you
We suck at development, it's not even up for debate
19 yrs care about playing fortnite for 6 hrs, partying, chics, friends, family, and finding ways to spend their new found millions in NYC. On the court, they care about their individual #s.
You heard fiz say that more than a dozen times over the course of the season..
Fiz also said he loves the kids and they are all getting better. So now we are good at development! Fixed!
so are you saying he's contradicting himself?
what is suppose to say, I hate these kids, they suck and we need to get rid of them..Fiz is one of the most likeable guys i ever seen, He will never throw anyone under the bus.
There's just really no track record to suggest the knicks/NYC is great environment to develop.
I would rather put a bunch of players around DSJ, Rj, and knox who can teach them how to win and take it very serious, then a bunch of other teenagers who have tunnel vision and couldn't care less and are just happy to be here.
knicks1248 wrote:fishmike wrote:knicks1248 wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:knicks1248 wrote:NardDogNation wrote:TLover wrote:If the Knicks don’t think they can sign Kawahi then maybe they take on Wiggins while getting the #11 pick & maybe more for their troubles.I’m NOT for trading for Wiggins bc his contract is terrible and his play has regressed.
His stats though were better before Jimmy Butler was there; he’s 24 and from Ontario like RJ Barrett.
It seems way too big of a risk but maybe a coach like Fiz can bring out the best in him.
I'd be willing to take Gorgui Dieng (~$15 million per) for that pick but not Wiggins. That contract is too crippling to ever justify getting. I'm not even sure Wiggins will still be in the league before it expires. One catastrophic injury and he's barely G-league material.
I also wonder what they plan on doing with Jeff Teague's expirer. He might be useful as a stopgap at PG. I suppose I'd do Jeff Teague and Gorgui Dieng for the 11th pick and a future pick swap. I'd really like to target Sekou Doumbouya with the pick.
We have had a stop gap PG since charlie ward, when is that going to end
The FO should not be concern with adding more 18/19 yr olds or adding 1 yr players. That just makes no sense, the results of that route produce 17 wins
damn you really hate youth dont you
We suck at development, it's not even up for debate
19 yrs care about playing fortnite for 6 hrs, partying, chics, friends, family, and finding ways to spend their new found millions in NYC. On the court, they care about their individual #s.
You heard fiz say that more than a dozen times over the course of the season..
Fiz also said he loves the kids and they are all getting better. So now we are good at development! Fixed!
so are you saying he's contradicting himself?
what is suppose to say, I hate these kids, they suck and we need to get rid of them..Fiz is one of the most likeable guys i ever seen, He will never throw anyone under the bus.
There's just really no track record to suggest the knicks/NYC is great environment to develop.
I would rather put a bunch of players around DSJ, Rj, and knox who can teach them how to win and take it very serious, then a bunch of other teenagers who have tunnel vision and couldn't care less and are just happy to be here.
well you also thought Trey Burke was a star player waiting to happy and the floor general we so needed. Pretty much everything you say is wrong or made up so Im not super worried. Bring on those darned yoots
fishmike wrote:knicks1248 wrote:fishmike wrote:knicks1248 wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:knicks1248 wrote:NardDogNation wrote:TLover wrote:If the Knicks don’t think they can sign Kawahi then maybe they take on Wiggins while getting the #11 pick & maybe more for their troubles.I’m NOT for trading for Wiggins bc his contract is terrible and his play has regressed.
His stats though were better before Jimmy Butler was there; he’s 24 and from Ontario like RJ Barrett.
It seems way too big of a risk but maybe a coach like Fiz can bring out the best in him.
I'd be willing to take Gorgui Dieng (~$15 million per) for that pick but not Wiggins. That contract is too crippling to ever justify getting. I'm not even sure Wiggins will still be in the league before it expires. One catastrophic injury and he's barely G-league material.
I also wonder what they plan on doing with Jeff Teague's expirer. He might be useful as a stopgap at PG. I suppose I'd do Jeff Teague and Gorgui Dieng for the 11th pick and a future pick swap. I'd really like to target Sekou Doumbouya with the pick.
We have had a stop gap PG since charlie ward, when is that going to end
The FO should not be concern with adding more 18/19 yr olds or adding 1 yr players. That just makes no sense, the results of that route produce 17 wins
damn you really hate youth dont you
We suck at development, it's not even up for debate
19 yrs care about playing fortnite for 6 hrs, partying, chics, friends, family, and finding ways to spend their new found millions in NYC. On the court, they care about their individual #s.
You heard fiz say that more than a dozen times over the course of the season..
Fiz also said he loves the kids and they are all getting better. So now we are good at development! Fixed!
so are you saying he's contradicting himself?
what is suppose to say, I hate these kids, they suck and we need to get rid of them..Fiz is one of the most likeable guys i ever seen, He will never throw anyone under the bus.
There's just really no track record to suggest the knicks/NYC is great environment to develop.
I would rather put a bunch of players around DSJ, Rj, and knox who can teach them how to win and take it very serious, then a bunch of other teenagers who have tunnel vision and couldn't care less and are just happy to be here.
well you also thought Trey Burke was a star player waiting to happy and the floor general we so needed. Pretty much everything you say is wrong or made up so Im not super worried. Bring on those darned yoots
Since when is a person voicing their opinion considered making stuff up..so if i say frank sucks, i making it up..lol..what the heck are you talking about..this is a forum to voice your opinion
I had to lmao off at the trey remark..I said he was better than frank will ever be
I do say a lot of made-up stuff, that you 100% disagree with, like KP is not a lock to resign, JH, fisher and woodson will get fired,
You seem to be in love and thrilled at the prospect of drafting players, devalue them, and trade them away for pennies on the dollar, then start all over..
knicks1248 wrote:fishmike wrote:knicks1248 wrote:fishmike wrote:knicks1248 wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:knicks1248 wrote:NardDogNation wrote:TLover wrote:If the Knicks don’t think they can sign Kawahi then maybe they take on Wiggins while getting the #11 pick & maybe more for their troubles.I’m NOT for trading for Wiggins bc his contract is terrible and his play has regressed.
His stats though were better before Jimmy Butler was there; he’s 24 and from Ontario like RJ Barrett.
It seems way too big of a risk but maybe a coach like Fiz can bring out the best in him.
I'd be willing to take Gorgui Dieng (~$15 million per) for that pick but not Wiggins. That contract is too crippling to ever justify getting. I'm not even sure Wiggins will still be in the league before it expires. One catastrophic injury and he's barely G-league material.
I also wonder what they plan on doing with Jeff Teague's expirer. He might be useful as a stopgap at PG. I suppose I'd do Jeff Teague and Gorgui Dieng for the 11th pick and a future pick swap. I'd really like to target Sekou Doumbouya with the pick.
We have had a stop gap PG since charlie ward, when is that going to end
The FO should not be concern with adding more 18/19 yr olds or adding 1 yr players. That just makes no sense, the results of that route produce 17 wins
damn you really hate youth dont you
We suck at development, it's not even up for debate
19 yrs care about playing fortnite for 6 hrs, partying, chics, friends, family, and finding ways to spend their new found millions in NYC. On the court, they care about their individual #s.
You heard fiz say that more than a dozen times over the course of the season..
Fiz also said he loves the kids and they are all getting better. So now we are good at development! Fixed!
so are you saying he's contradicting himself?
what is suppose to say, I hate these kids, they suck and we need to get rid of them..Fiz is one of the most likeable guys i ever seen, He will never throw anyone under the bus.
There's just really no track record to suggest the knicks/NYC is great environment to develop.
I would rather put a bunch of players around DSJ, Rj, and knox who can teach them how to win and take it very serious, then a bunch of other teenagers who have tunnel vision and couldn't care less and are just happy to be here.
well you also thought Trey Burke was a star player waiting to happy and the floor general we so needed. Pretty much everything you say is wrong or made up so Im not super worried. Bring on those darned yoots
Since when is a person voicing their opinion considered making stuff up..so if i say frank sucks, i making it up..lol..what the heck are you talking about..this is a forum to voice your opinion
I had to lmao off at the trey remark..I said he was better than frank will ever be
I do say a lot of made-up stuff, that you 100% disagree with, like KP is not a lock to resign, JH, fisher and woodson will get fired,
You seem to be in love and thrilled at the prospect of drafting players, devalue them, and trade them away for pennies on the dollar, then start all over..
if you can give me an example of that I will give you a $100 and buy anyone that shows up 5 beers to see me give you that $100. However that is made up like most of your points... like saying guys stunk in the playoffs when none of them did. Its cute
DERRICK ROSE DA DA DADADA
DERRICK ROSE DA DA DADADA
fishmike wrote:knicks1248 wrote:fishmike wrote:knicks1248 wrote:fishmike wrote:knicks1248 wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:knicks1248 wrote:NardDogNation wrote:TLover wrote:If the Knicks don’t think they can sign Kawahi then maybe they take on Wiggins while getting the #11 pick & maybe more for their troubles.I’m NOT for trading for Wiggins bc his contract is terrible and his play has regressed.
His stats though were better before Jimmy Butler was there; he’s 24 and from Ontario like RJ Barrett.
It seems way too big of a risk but maybe a coach like Fiz can bring out the best in him.
I'd be willing to take Gorgui Dieng (~$15 million per) for that pick but not Wiggins. That contract is too crippling to ever justify getting. I'm not even sure Wiggins will still be in the league before it expires. One catastrophic injury and he's barely G-league material.
I also wonder what they plan on doing with Jeff Teague's expirer. He might be useful as a stopgap at PG. I suppose I'd do Jeff Teague and Gorgui Dieng for the 11th pick and a future pick swap. I'd really like to target Sekou Doumbouya with the pick.
We have had a stop gap PG since charlie ward, when is that going to end
The FO should not be concern with adding more 18/19 yr olds or adding 1 yr players. That just makes no sense, the results of that route produce 17 wins
damn you really hate youth dont you
We suck at development, it's not even up for debate
19 yrs care about playing fortnite for 6 hrs, partying, chics, friends, family, and finding ways to spend their new found millions in NYC. On the court, they care about their individual #s.
You heard fiz say that more than a dozen times over the course of the season..
Fiz also said he loves the kids and they are all getting better. So now we are good at development! Fixed!
so are you saying he's contradicting himself?
what is suppose to say, I hate these kids, they suck and we need to get rid of them..Fiz is one of the most likeable guys i ever seen, He will never throw anyone under the bus.
There's just really no track record to suggest the knicks/NYC is great environment to develop.
I would rather put a bunch of players around DSJ, Rj, and knox who can teach them how to win and take it very serious, then a bunch of other teenagers who have tunnel vision and couldn't care less and are just happy to be here.
well you also thought Trey Burke was a star player waiting to happy and the floor general we so needed. Pretty much everything you say is wrong or made up so Im not super worried. Bring on those darned yoots
Since when is a person voicing their opinion considered making stuff up..so if i say frank sucks, i making it up..lol..what the heck are you talking about..this is a forum to voice your opinion
I had to lmao off at the trey remark..I said he was better than frank will ever be
I do say a lot of made-up stuff, that you 100% disagree with, like KP is not a lock to resign, JH, fisher and woodson will get fired,
You seem to be in love and thrilled at the prospect of drafting players, devalue them, and trade them away for pennies on the dollar, then start all over..
if you can give me an example of that I will give you a $100 and buy anyone that shows up 5 beers to see me give you that $100. However that is made up like most of your points... like saying guys stunk in the playoffs when none of them did. Its cute DERRICK ROSE DA DA DADADA
DERRICK ROSE DA DA DADADA
Derrick rose..jesus dude
PTS
18.0
REB
2.7
AST
4.3
$1,512,601--51 games played, and a 50 point scoring game
Frank
5.7
REB
2.0
AST
2.8
$4,155,720--43 games as yet to score 20 points in over a 100 games played.
Did you hear that your beloved frank is on the trading block.
who did I say stunk in the playoffs ..Those center who can't shoot from the perimeter how did they do in the playoffs
Detroit swept
Houston disaster
UTAH flame out
OKC swept
knicks1248 wrote:fishmike wrote:knicks1248 wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:knicks1248 wrote:NardDogNation wrote:TLover wrote:If the Knicks don’t think they can sign Kawahi then maybe they take on Wiggins while getting the #11 pick & maybe more for their troubles.I’m NOT for trading for Wiggins bc his contract is terrible and his play has regressed.
His stats though were better before Jimmy Butler was there; he’s 24 and from Ontario like RJ Barrett.
It seems way too big of a risk but maybe a coach like Fiz can bring out the best in him.
I'd be willing to take Gorgui Dieng (~$15 million per) for that pick but not Wiggins. That contract is too crippling to ever justify getting. I'm not even sure Wiggins will still be in the league before it expires. One catastrophic injury and he's barely G-league material.
I also wonder what they plan on doing with Jeff Teague's expirer. He might be useful as a stopgap at PG. I suppose I'd do Jeff Teague and Gorgui Dieng for the 11th pick and a future pick swap. I'd really like to target Sekou Doumbouya with the pick.
We have had a stop gap PG since charlie ward, when is that going to end
The FO should not be concern with adding more 18/19 yr olds or adding 1 yr players. That just makes no sense, the results of that route produce 17 wins
damn you really hate youth dont you
We suck at development, it's not even up for debate
19 yrs care about playing fortnite for 6 hrs, partying, chics, friends, family, and finding ways to spend their new found millions in NYC. On the court, they care about their individual #s.
You heard fiz say that more than a dozen times over the course of the season..
Fiz also said he loves the kids and they are all getting better. So now we are good at development! Fixed!
so are you saying he's contradicting himself?
what is suppose to say, I hate these kids, they suck and we need to get rid of them..Fiz is one of the most likeable guys i ever seen, He will never throw anyone under the bus.
There's just really no track record to suggest the knicks/NYC is great environment to develop.
I would rather put a bunch of players around DSJ, Rj, and knox who can teach them how to win and take it very serious, then a bunch of other teenagers who have tunnel vision and couldn't care less and are just happy to be here.
The nets made the playoffs in a way that defies every fiber of Rainman salty outlook.
You called KP, but you only used what was known to everyone. Frank "sucks" was your calling card to say "I'd rather be right than root for the kid". It's why you so beloved by the faithful here.
Your looking for trackrecords but that does little for anything going forward.
Since you have lazy open concepts about things your really not giving any great insight.
"We need the right guys here". That's brilliant.
Looks like we have no interest in taking on bad contracts for assets- strange
If the Knicks don't land their top targets in free agency -- which is a short list -- they don't plan to use their cap space to take back an undesirable contract in a trade in order to acquire more assets.They also don't plan to commit long-term money to a player that isn't on the list of their top targets. If they miss out on their top targets, the Knicks are more likely to pursue short-term contracts to maintain cap flexibility.
