Knicks · Lots of flux in the Atlantic Division next year (page 1)

Toronto -- could lose Kawhi; Marc Gasol and Kyle 34 and 33

Philly -- Reddick, Tobias, Butler could all be gone

Boston -- Kyrie and Horford probably gone; Ainge's mid 1st round picks haven't contribute much

Nets -- they will be better (teams seems on the uptrend)

Knicks -- we can't be worse than last year even if we get no FAs; So much will depend on who/if we get FAs that contribute

Could be a very interesting year

Chandler wrote:Toronto -- could lose Kawhi; Marc Gasol and Kyle 34 and 33

Philly -- Reddick, Tobias, Butler could all be gone

Boston -- Kyrie and Horford probably gone; Ainge's mid 1st round picks haven't contribute much

Nets -- they will be better (teams seems on the uptrend)

Knicks -- we can't be worse than last year even if we get no FAs; So much will depend on who/if we get FAs that contribute

Could be a very interesting year

man, good demonstration on how hard it is to build a team. Between summers of 2016 and 2017 Ainge could have built a dynasty and nearly did.

2016:
Had #3, #16, #23, #45, #51, #58. No idea which of those picks they traded for or were their own on draft day. Those turned out to be: Jaylen Brown, Guerschon Yabusele, Ante Zizic, Demetrius Jackson, Ben Bentil, Abdel Nader. No idea if those are stashes or what later on in draft. Missed out on: Malik Beasley #19, Chris LeVert #20, Pascal Siakam #27, Dejounte Murray #29, Malcolm Brogdon #29.

2017:
Traded down from #1 to #3 and drafted Jayson Tatum while picking up extra draft pick. HUGE

Traded Avery Bradley for Marcus Morris.

Traded IT and pick (Colin Secton) for Kyrie.

Signed Gordon Hayward who immediately got hurt and hasn't been the same.

Kyrie, Horford, Morris all probably gone. Aron Baynes traded last night. Gordon Hayward not even a starter these days and has 2 years at $32M each that he will probably opt into.

martin wrote:

Chandler wrote:Toronto -- could lose Kawhi; Marc Gasol and Kyle 34 and 33

Philly -- Reddick, Tobias, Butler could all be gone

Boston -- Kyrie and Horford probably gone; Ainge's mid 1st round picks haven't contribute much

Nets -- they will be better (teams seems on the uptrend)

Knicks -- we can't be worse than last year even if we get no FAs; So much will depend on who/if we get FAs that contribute

Could be a very interesting year

man, good demonstration on how hard it is to build a team. Between summers of 2016 and 2017 Ainge could have built a dynasty and nearly did.

2016:
Had #3, #16, #23, #45, #51, #58. No idea which of those picks they traded for or were their own on draft day. Those turned out to be: Jaylen Brown, Guerschon Yabusele, Ante Zizic, Demetrius Jackson, Ben Bentil, Abdel Nader. No idea if those are stashes or what later on in draft. Missed out on: Malik Beasley #19, Chris LeVert #20, Pascal Siakam #27, Dejounte Murray #29, Malcolm Brogdon #29.

2017:
Traded down from #1 to #3 and drafted Jayson Tatum while picking up extra draft pick. HUGE

Traded Avery Bradley for Marcus Morris.

Traded IT and pick (Colin Secton) for Kyrie.

Signed Gordon Hayward who immediately got hurt and hasn't been the same.

Kyrie, Horford, Morris all probably gone. Aron Baynes traded last night. Gordon Hayward not even a starter these days and has 2 years at $32M each that he will probably opt into.

They were there... I think Ainge did his part. Kind of a confluence of funky stuff sunk them. They were playing great team with no Hayward and Irving out. Those guys coming back hurt chemistry (esp w/ Stevens and Haywood poor play). Rozier took a big step back. Smart guy paid and immediately played very poorly. Sounds like it was enough to sink the locker room.

Phuck Ainge and the Celtics!

they do great at trades. Stroke gold with Tatum

Brown and Smart still don't feel like #3 and #6 picks. and after that very iffy.

Ainge also tends to treat their players like crap; a lot of guys sacrificed for that team (giving up stats; playing hurt etc) only to be shown the door. that's why guys like AD wanted no part; and I suspect there's some aspect of that in the back of Kyrie's mind too (though tough to tell)

Chandler wrote:they do great at trades. Stroke gold with Tatum

Brown and Smart still don't feel like #3 and #6 picks. and after that very iffy.

Ainge also tends to treat their players like crap; a lot of guys sacrificed for that team (giving up stats; playing hurt etc) only to be shown the door. that's why guys like AD wanted no part; and I suspect there's some aspect of that in the back of Kyrie's mind too (though tough to tell)

Brown took a step back last year, especially his shooting from deep, but he was coming around, I thought.

I thought I read that some players were upset with how Brad Stevens tried to make Hayward a more important part of the offense at the expense of other players. Anybody know if this is true?

Not a fan of Kyrie as a PG...You really need another player running the offense, and Irving is such a defensive liability at times. I'm not surprised he's leaving.

Wonder if picking up Hayward was a mistake, though you have to consider what the injury meant, or course, but he probably would have been given a larger role in the offense if he was healthy, & how would other players have reacted.

And maybe you should have handed the ball to Rozier at some point, and let him grow into your starting PG and not picked up Irving.

Chandler wrote:they do great at trades. Stroke gold with Tatum

Brown and Smart still don't feel like #3 and #6 picks. and after that very iffy.

Ainge also tends to treat their players like crap; a lot of guys sacrificed for that team (giving up stats; playing hurt etc) only to be shown the door. that's why guys like AD wanted no part; and I suspect there's some aspect of that in the back of Kyrie's mind too (though tough to tell)

Ainge traded guys who were at the end of their deals and faced getting something or getting nothing for them.

If a player "sacrifices" then usually it's because it's in his personal interest to do so.

IT2 spent a lot of time talking about his community service in Boston to show how "loyal" he was to the team and the community.

If you do good shit for others, do it because you think it's the right fucking thing to do, not because you expect a "return" on that investment. It's called a COVERT CONTRACT. The good deed isn't for the sake of good, it's for a return. Charles Barkley does a lot of charity stuff IN PRIVATE. For the reason he doesn't want to taint it. Or let other profit off of it.

If you want to give out backpacks to poor kids, OK. Great for those kids. But shut the fuck up about it. Don't throw that in the media as to why you deserve a max deal. That's shitting on those poor kids because they were a tool to use as manipulation to try to leverage said max deal.

If the MARKETPLACE says you deserve a max deal, you'll fucking get one. That simple.

NO ONE IS LOYAL in the NBA. NO ONE. The team did him wrong! Give me a fucking break. They offered him a pretty sizable deal, not a full max, but a decent chunk of change and he turned it down. Has he gotten better since? Then the marketplace as spoken.