Knicks · Hornets low balled walker with a 160mil deal come home man (page 2)

Panos @ 6/29/2019 10:33 PM
Maybe the Hornets are right.
BigDaddyG @ 6/29/2019 10:38 PM
Panos wrote:Maybe the Hornets are right.

They need to rebuild. I can't blame them for passing on a new deal. I can blame them for not getting assets for Kemba when they had a chance.

CleaverGreene @ 6/30/2019 12:50 AM
CrushAlot wrote:More Hornet mistakes.

If Boston wanted to take Kaminski after giving up those four #1st rounders, what does it say about Ainge, then? He was lucky that the Hornets were dumber than he was.

NardDogNation @ 6/30/2019 12:53 AM
CleaverGreene wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:More Hornet mistakes.

If Boston wanted to take Kaminski after giving up those four #1st rounders, what does it say about Ainge, then? He was lucky that the Hornets were dumber than he was.

He was giving up those picks to move up to select Justise Winslow with the 9th pick; not Frank Kaminsky. And aside from that 2016 Nets pick that became the 3rd pick in the draft, none of the other known picks (16th and 29th in the 2015 draft) were considered premium assets.

BigDaddyG @ 6/30/2019 12:53 AM
Glory and praise to Crom...I was worried those rumors about us were true

NardDogNation @ 6/30/2019 12:58 AM
BigDaddyG wrote:Glory and praise to Crom...I was worried those rumors about us were true

With the glut we have at guard, I doubt Rozier would've been a target. But I still suspect that the Knicks might do something stupid if/when they miss out on these star free agents. People routinely praise Scott Perry but seem to forget that he was the guy that signed Zach Randolph, Vince Carter, and George Hill to big money deals with the Kings, only to see both parties wanting a split a few months into those deals. It was very Phil Jackson-esque if you ask me.

BigDaddyG @ 6/30/2019 1:05 AM
NardDogNation wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:Glory and praise to Crom...I was worried those rumors about us were true

With the glut we have at guard, I doubt Rozier would've been a target. But I still suspect that the Knicks might do something stupid if/when they miss out on these star free agents. People routinely praise Scott Perry but seem to forget that he was the guy that signed Zach Randolph, Vince Carter, and George Hill to big money deals with the Kings, only to see both parties wanting a split a few months into those deals. It was very Phil Jackson-esque if you ask me.


I thought the same thing too, but you never know. They might have brought Rozier in with a dumb trade in place. I won't hold the Kings disaster against him since Vlade was the one at the helm. But you're right to be cautious. Perry still has a lot to prove.
NardDogNation @ 6/30/2019 1:20 AM
BigDaddyG wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:Glory and praise to Crom...I was worried those rumors about us were true

With the glut we have at guard, I doubt Rozier would've been a target. But I still suspect that the Knicks might do something stupid if/when they miss out on these star free agents. People routinely praise Scott Perry but seem to forget that he was the guy that signed Zach Randolph, Vince Carter, and George Hill to big money deals with the Kings, only to see both parties wanting a split a few months into those deals. It was very Phil Jackson-esque if you ask me.


I thought the same thing too, but you never know. They might have brought Rozier in with a dumb trade in place. I won't hold the Kings disaster against him since Vlade was the one at the helm. But you're right to be cautious. Perry still has a lot to prove.

Touche. Frank has been rumored to be on the trading block for a minute, so it is only a glut in name-only. For the record though, I bought property on Rozier-island in the past but no longer think he makes sense for us with Smith Jr here and with us being non-competitive. Makes no sense in committing the long-term, big money commitment it would take to get a Terry Rozier here.

As for Perry, look back at some of the articles that came out when we got him that summer. He was widely credited for the job he did during the draft (trading a pick that could've been used to select Donovan Mitchell) and for signing those veterans, who people thought would never consider the Kings before Perry arrived. It didn't take very long for the wheels to fall off there but Perry had already moved to NYC and couldn't be held accountable for those fuck-ups. History has a way of repeating itself: there were rumors circulated today that they are looking to implore the same strategy by targeting George Hill and Wayne Ellington that one-year deals that will no doubt be pricey.

The better strategy would be to use some of our cap space to get additional picks, to help build our asset base for when Giannis inevitably demands his trade. Even if we didn't want to trade for Giannis, we should be in the pick acquisition game as early as this year. I felt we could've walked away with a Sekou Doumbouya or Nassir Little and been the better for it, for the same one-year cap hit we'd have by adding a George Hill or Wayne Ellington.

CleaverGreene @ 6/30/2019 2:35 AM
NardDogNation wrote:
CleaverGreene wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:More Hornet mistakes.

If Boston wanted to take Kaminski after giving up those four #1st rounders, what does it say about Ainge, then? He was lucky that the Hornets were dumber than he was.

He was giving up those picks to move up to select Justise Winslow with the 9th pick; not Frank Kaminsky. And aside from that 2016 Nets pick that became the 3rd pick in the draft, none of the other known picks (16th and 29th in the 2015 draft) were considered premium assets.

Winslow?

I'm still right, then, about Ainge.

Winslow is a decent player, but never the steal that folks thought he was, and not worth 4 1st rounders.

Knixkik @ 6/30/2019 5:58 AM
Panos wrote:Maybe the Hornets are right.

They could be. But then why not trade him during the season ? They knew they would have to pay him max. Waiting for the offseason to lowball him is gross mismanagement. It’s not like they were making a run during the season. They absolutely could have received a couple good assets for him even heading into free agency.

CrushAlot @ 6/30/2019 6:43 AM
CleaverGreene wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
CleaverGreene wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:More Hornet mistakes.

If Boston wanted to take Kaminski after giving up those four #1st rounders, what does it say about Ainge, then? He was lucky that the Hornets were dumber than he was.

He was giving up those picks to move up to select Justise Winslow with the 9th pick; not Frank Kaminsky. And aside from that 2016 Nets pick that became the 3rd pick in the draft, none of the other known picks (16th and 29th in the 2015 draft) were considered premium assets.

Winslow?

I'm still right, then, about Ainge.

Winslow is a decent player, but never the steal that folks thought he was, and not worth 4 1st rounders.

Ainge likes certain players and Duke Winslow fit that. I think Ainge did great getting Kemba. Great locker room guy and leader. Maybe it was time to move on from Horford. He still played well but is getting older. Also, MacMullan article pointed out that Al was the vet in the locker room that could have confronted Myrie and didn’t. I think the Celtics will be fine. Still can’t believe a New Yorker would chooses to go to Boston.
Nalod @ 6/30/2019 7:05 AM
Hornet offered him 20mil more. Not lowballed.
NotInMyHouse @ 6/30/2019 8:07 AM
Nalod wrote:Hornet offered him 20mil more. Not lowballed.

Hornets offer was over 5 years. He qualified for a 5 year 221 million supermax. Maybe he felt slighted? LOL
So, he left 19 million on the table, but 1 year less.
Boston did well here imo.

https://nba.nbcsports.com/2019/06/28/rep...

CrushAlot @ 6/30/2019 9:12 AM
NotInMyHouse wrote:
Nalod wrote:Hornet offered him 20mil more. Not lowballed.

Hornets offer was over 5 years. He qualified for a 5 year 221 million supermax. Maybe he felt slighted? LOL
So, he left 19 million on the table, but 1 year less.
Boston did well here imo.

https://nba.nbcsports.com/2019/06/28/rep...

A Charlotte reporter said he heard Kemba wanted $175 mil for five years.
blkexec @ 6/30/2019 9:45 AM
CrushAlot wrote:
NotInMyHouse wrote:
Nalod wrote:Hornet offered him 20mil more. Not lowballed.

Hornets offer was over 5 years. He qualified for a 5 year 221 million supermax. Maybe he felt slighted? LOL
So, he left 19 million on the table, but 1 year less.
Boston did well here imo.

https://nba.nbcsports.com/2019/06/28/rep...

A Charlotte reporter said he heard Kemba wanted $175 mil for five years.

So hes mad that Charlotte offered him 32 mil per.....because he wanted 35 mil per?

Either this thread title is incorrect or Kemba is that petty....or Kemba wants to leave regardless.

That's only a 3 mil difference between the two contracts.

GustavBahler @ 6/30/2019 10:09 AM
NardDogNation wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:Glory and praise to Crom...I was worried those rumors about us were true

With the glut we have at guard, I doubt Rozier would've been a target. But I still suspect that the Knicks might do something stupid if/when they miss out on these star free agents. People routinely praise Scott Perry but seem to forget that he was the guy that signed Zach Randolph, Vince Carter, and George Hill to big money deals with the Kings, only to see both parties wanting a split a few months into those deals. It was very Phil Jackson-esque if you ask me.


I thought the same thing too, but you never know. They might have brought Rozier in with a dumb trade in place. I won't hold the Kings disaster against him since Vlade was the one at the helm. But you're right to be cautious. Perry still has a lot to prove.

Touche. Frank has been rumored to be on the trading block for a minute, so it is only a glut in name-only. For the record though, I bought property on Rozier-island in the past but no longer think he makes sense for us with Smith Jr here and with us being non-competitive. Makes no sense in committing the long-term, big money commitment it would take to get a Terry Rozier here.

As for Perry, look back at some of the articles that came out when we got him that summer. He was widely credited for the job he did during the draft (trading a pick that could've been used to select Donovan Mitchell) and for signing those veterans, who people thought would never consider the Kings before Perry arrived. It didn't take very long for the wheels to fall off there but Perry had already moved to NYC and couldn't be held accountable for those fuck-ups. History has a way of repeating itself: there were rumors circulated today that they are looking to implore the same strategy by targeting George Hill and Wayne Ellington that one-year deals that will no doubt be pricey.

The better strategy would be to use some of our cap space to get additional picks, to help build our asset base for when Giannis inevitably demands his trade. Even if we didn't want to trade for Giannis, we should be in the pick acquisition game as early as this year. I felt we could've walked away with a Sekou Doumbouya or Nassir Little and been the better for it, for the same one-year cap hit we'd have by adding a George Hill or Wayne Ellington.

Zach Randolph until he got to the Kings was still playing at a high level, had cleaned up his act long ago. After Perry left, Randolph looked more like the player he was, when he first joined the league, without the game. Carter was a good idea, would be great to see him in NY, in a reserve role.

What Perry tried to do in Sac, he's trying to do in NY. Following the same plan, more or less.
Ainge was bailed out of making some bad moves early on, by other teams making worse ones. He's a smarter GM than he was going in. Garnett was a gift. Point is Perry looks like he's learned from whatever mistakes he made with his brief stint with the Kings. Did good as well,


http://sacbee.com/sports/spt-columns-blo...

Thanks in part to Perry’s influence, the Kings are no longer in the business of getting fleeced. Among his many contributions, Perry stressed the importance of amassing assets, maintaining salary cap flexibility and, while in the midst of a rebuild, adding selective veterans both to mentor young players and introduce the nuances of the game.

For better or worse, that was the plan in Sacremento, and thats the plan in NY. Perry used to coach, has a good eye for talent. Needed some seasoning as an exec before he was ready to lead a major market team, just like an athlete. Didnt have it all figured out from day one.

Mills could have been GM for another ten years, doubt he would have gotten better. Mills did learn that he should play to his strengths, and let others play to theirs. Thats why I believe the Perry/Mills partnership is working well. Need time to see if that will translate into success down the road. Im encouraged.

CrushAlot @ 6/30/2019 10:11 AM
blkexec wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
NotInMyHouse wrote:
Nalod wrote:Hornet offered him 20mil more. Not lowballed.

Hornets offer was over 5 years. He qualified for a 5 year 221 million supermax. Maybe he felt slighted? LOL
So, he left 19 million on the table, but 1 year less.
Boston did well here imo.

https://nba.nbcsports.com/2019/06/28/rep...

A Charlotte reporter said he heard Kemba wanted $175 mil for five years.

So hes mad that Charlotte offered him 32 mil per.....because he wanted 35 mil per?

Either this thread title is incorrect or Kemba is that petty....or Kemba wants to leave regardless.

That's only a 3 mil difference between the two contracts.

No idea why he is mad. But he was willing to take 75 mil less than a full max to stay with a team that has made a lot of mistakes and is a long way from turning things around. The Willy trade keeps getting better.
Nalod @ 6/30/2019 11:19 AM
First off lets be real. Trade would have had to return salary which is what Hornets are trying to NOT do.
With him being free no team is going to pay up big, unless they want to pay him the max.
He is not that.

Hornets did the right thing. The “I’m offended” thing is silly. These guys know a less than max was forthcoming.
He took less to move. Was time for him to move on.

Basically Boston traded Kemba for Kyrie.
Nets are trading Russell for Kyrie who will sell more tickets and short term might be an upgrade.

CleaverGreene @ 6/30/2019 2:14 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
CleaverGreene wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
CleaverGreene wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:More Hornet mistakes.

If Boston wanted to take Kaminski after giving up those four #1st rounders, what does it say about Ainge, then? He was lucky that the Hornets were dumber than he was.

He was giving up those picks to move up to select Justise Winslow with the 9th pick; not Frank Kaminsky. And aside from that 2016 Nets pick that became the 3rd pick in the draft, none of the other known picks (16th and 29th in the 2015 draft) were considered premium assets.

Winslow?

I'm still right, then, about Ainge.

Winslow is a decent player, but never the steal that folks thought he was, and not worth 4 1st rounders.

Ainge likes certain players and Duke Winslow fit that. I think Ainge did great getting Kemba. Great locker room guy and leader. Maybe it was time to move on from Horford. He still played well but is getting older. Also, MacMullan article pointed out that Al was the vet in the locker room that could have confronted Myrie and didn’t. I think the Celtics will be fine. Still can’t believe a New Yorker would chooses to go to Boston.


No problem with Walker at all. It was a good pickup if Boston wants to remain in the playoff mix.

How did things go south with Rozier? Seems to me that he should have been in line to replace Irving, or was that run he had some kind of mirage?

BigDaddyG @ 6/30/2019 2:20 PM
CleaverGreene wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
CleaverGreene wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
CleaverGreene wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:More Hornet mistakes.

If Boston wanted to take Kaminski after giving up those four #1st rounders, what does it say about Ainge, then? He was lucky that the Hornets were dumber than he was.

He was giving up those picks to move up to select Justise Winslow with the 9th pick; not Frank Kaminsky. And aside from that 2016 Nets pick that became the 3rd pick in the draft, none of the other known picks (16th and 29th in the 2015 draft) were considered premium assets.

Winslow?

I'm still right, then, about Ainge.

Winslow is a decent player, but never the steal that folks thought he was, and not worth 4 1st rounders.

Ainge likes certain players and Duke Winslow fit that. I think Ainge did great getting Kemba. Great locker room guy and leader. Maybe it was time to move on from Horford. He still played well but is getting older. Also, MacMullan article pointed out that Al was the vet in the locker room that could have confronted Myrie and didn’t. I think the Celtics will be fine. Still can’t believe a New Yorker would chooses to go to Boston.


No problem with Walker at all. It was a good pickup if Boston wants to remain in the playoff mix.

How did things go south with Rozier? Seems to me that he should have been in line to replace Irving, or was that run he had some kind of mirage?

Look at Rozier's career stats and you'll see his playoff run last year was probably an outlier.

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