Knicks · Around the NBA 2019-20 (page 52)

KnickDanger @ 9/20/2020 12:40 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:How did JR Smith survive over there?

Classy guy.

BigDaddyG @ 9/20/2020 1:57 PM
KnickDanger wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:How did JR Smith survive over there?

Classy guy.


There was a time when that guy was a top 5 point guards in the NBA. That's pretty amazing considering how bad his decision making is
franco12 @ 9/21/2020 12:05 PM
Nalod wrote:Be fun if someone pulled up preseason NBA predictions. I can’t recall my exact thoughts but I believe on on record thinking the pieces on the Clippers would not add up and some respect to the Nuggs.

IN retrospect it should be no surprise that Miami is good that Butler was added but the roles of Robinson and Herro is.
Also Bam rise is notable. The chemistry from Leadership provided by Butler is an impressive fit. For a full apprecation one has to look. Back the last three years and see how it all come together. The good and the mistakes. I that time we have had 3 presidents and how many coaches?
That was then and this is now. Let’s hope for the best going forward.

I was wrong on Butler - he's been an absolute monster. He is scoring down low, and I watch and say - give up the outside shot - and then he promptly drains 3's.

Maybe we should rethink our aversion to Chris Paul. I know Maimi was good before Butler got there, but they have done exceedingly well this year.

jrodmc @ 9/22/2020 9:03 AM
HofstraBBall wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
Nalod wrote:Don’t blame Leonard, Durant or Lebron, it’s on the team that enables it. Some players also sell themselves as recruiters. Sorry JROD, thats another Mooby jab.
Nobody puts a gun to a teams head and makes them do this stuff. In some demented sense maybe we should be glad we drew the line with KP and Janis making demands and we refuted them.
The morning after looks bad and Clippers hang that trade out and it looks even worse. Balmer wants his new arena and there was a window in the west they went all in and tried to climb thru. there are no great teams in the NBA right now!!!! GSW on hold due to injury and Kawhi leaving Toronto shifted the balance. Nobody really sticks out which gives lakers the window now. At ths point Lebron looks pretty damn pretty with where they sit.

What happened to "Mooby just runs pre-season boat trips but doesn't want anyone else taking the spotlight?" What happened to "Mooby forced his way here via team rape!!"

That PG13 trade will look like shit forever. Denver was running an effing layup line.

Don't think you have to be demented to let a broken unicorn go. Just more like dementia in how he was handled. That's a Phil reference, Nalod. Sorry, not sorry

KP was traded for CAP space remember. Cap space that was guaranteed to be used for Kyrie. Well, I mean KD. Umm possibley AD? But definitely not Kawhi. Or hopefully the guy form Milwaukee. Yet now unfortunately a 35 year old CP3.

Btw JROD. How shocked are you that the Clips lost to Denver and the Rockets lost to LA? The stash we gave up to Denver finally kicked some ass. And I really thought that only a cooler like Melo could keep PG, Harden, CP3 or Russ from winning it all? Someone should really consider pairing two those guys up together. Without Melo of course. Or imagine pairing up just one of those superstars with a perennial chip contender like Kawhi? That team would run the league! I know we don't have enough cap space to add two of those but maybe we should trade all our assets and give up that above mentioned KP cap space for one of them?? We can only dream.

martin @ 9/22/2020 12:18 PM
KnickDanger @ 9/22/2020 1:19 PM
jrodmc wrote:KP was traded for CAP space remember. Cap space that was guaranteed to be used for Kyrie. Well, I mean KD. Umm possibley AD? But definitely not Kawhi. Or hopefully the guy form Milwaukee. Yet now unfortunately a 35 year old CP3.

Let's see, do we think there was any chance Kahwi or AD would have come here? And are we sad we didn't sign KD and Kyrie? And Giannis is down the road so are the Knicks to be criticized for that before the fact? Not to mention CP3?

Just askin'....

Nalod @ 9/22/2020 3:31 PM
The long game was basically Lakers cleared space to bring in Lebron. Nets Traded Bropez to help facilitate that for Lakes. Russell then was developed. That intern became the cap space for KD when he was traded to GSW. Russell moved to Minny for Wiggins and his bloated deal but the kid has talent. They also get a protected 1st rounder next year.
Was all this premeditated or do fans reverse the engineering not thinking of the actual randomness that occurs.
Nalod thinks its teams being opportunistic. Miami has been flirting with being good for a few seasons. Butler had also exhausted and burned some bridges so teams were a bit hesitant. Since they have a strong culture he had to buy in to what was going on.

Nets provided a good base for KD and Kyre but the culture that got them there in the position to nab them. It is obvious we have not been as opportune in our quests the last few years. Perhaps if a trio of Melo/Noah/Rose had proven reasonable we cold have opened the door for others and a culture of reasonable success in a vacuums develop. KP could have developed properly or used as currency to land a finishing piece.
We all know this was not the case. I think Mills kept options open. He might have been delusional that we were a landing spot for Kyrie and KD, but the opportunity was there.
Leon hopefully as an agent wont be delusional but it remains to be seen how long it takes to get relevant.
While we are not very good we have a very different asset base than anytime in the last 30 years. We have picks, some youth, and cap space. We can argue all day (and we do) about the value of capital. It is both reasonable to be optimistic or pessimistic depending on how you see things. I for one have no clue as to how this thing will turn out or the path was take. Some of you go with the obvious, and others like my self like to think with some imagination that things will be looking up. Really, Its gonna take more a few years to make any real headway.

jrodmc @ 9/22/2020 3:48 PM
KnickDanger wrote:
jrodmc wrote:KP was traded for CAP space remember. Cap space that was guaranteed to be used for Kyrie. Well, I mean KD. Umm possibley AD? But definitely not Kawhi. Or hopefully the guy form Milwaukee. Yet now unfortunately a 35 year old CP3.

Let's see, do we think there was any chance Kahwi or AD would have come here? And are we sad we didn't sign KD and Kyrie? And Giannis is down the road so are the Knicks to be criticized for that before the fact? Not to mention CP3?

Just askin'....

I'm honored (?), but that was Hofstra's post, not mine, KnickDanger.

But no, since you asked, I don't think we had any chance of getting AD or Kahwi. Although that move doesn't look so good for Kahwi now, does it?

I'm pretty sure most on this board spend the majority of time criticizing the Knicks for anything and everything.

KnickDanger @ 9/22/2020 4:17 PM
jrodmc wrote:
KnickDanger wrote:
jrodmc wrote:KP was traded for CAP space remember. Cap space that was guaranteed to be used for Kyrie. Well, I mean KD. Umm possibley AD? But definitely not Kawhi. Or hopefully the guy form Milwaukee. Yet now unfortunately a 35 year old CP3.

Let's see, do we think there was any chance Kahwi or AD would have come here? And are we sad we didn't sign KD and Kyrie? And Giannis is down the road so are the Knicks to be criticized for that before the fact? Not to mention CP3?

Just askin'....

I'm honored (?), but that was Hofstra's post, not mine, KnickDanger.

But no, since you asked, I don't think we had any chance of getting AD or Kahwi. Although that move doesn't look so good for Kahwi now, does it?

I'm pretty sure most on this board spend the majority of time criticizing the Knicks for anything and everything.

I was addressing the quote, not you, jrodmc. Though you two do look a bit alike. But in my edit you got stuck with the quote -- sorry about that.

I can criticize the Knicks too, though my schtick is more addressing what I consider the unfair criticism. We all need a reason to live.

Nalod @ 9/22/2020 5:27 PM
jrodmc wrote:
KnickDanger wrote:
jrodmc wrote:KP was traded for CAP space remember. Cap space that was guaranteed to be used for Kyrie. Well, I mean KD. Umm possibley AD? But definitely not Kawhi. Or hopefully the guy form Milwaukee. Yet now unfortunately a 35 year old CP3.

Let's see, do we think there was any chance Kahwi or AD would have come here? And are we sad we didn't sign KD and Kyrie? And Giannis is down the road so are the Knicks to be criticized for that before the fact? Not to mention CP3?

Just askin'....

I'm honored (?), but that was Hofstra's post, not mine, KnickDanger.

But no, since you asked, I don't think we had any chance of getting AD or Kahwi. Although that move doesn't look so good for Kahwi now, does it?

I'm pretty sure most on this board spend the majority of time criticizing the Knicks for anything and everything.

I think in preseason prognostications I had Clippers not adding up in my mind and perhaps Denver at least going this far. I wish I can access this. Likely I had Milwaukee in the east. Fooking Miami never really was in my wheelhouse for finals. Olynick hair never leaves me impressed. Nobody saw Herro and Robinson like this!!!
Clippers moves was my knick starphuch nightmare. Its not they paid what they did, its that if it does not work those become lottery picks. I have not seen any language that Says picks are protected. There are a slew that can be swapped. Obviously no Paul George, there was no Kawhi so you add them both as the price vs. what they paid and perhaps the trade is a bit more even.
Rockets narrative really did not change given they swapped out CP3 for Westbrook. I get why they did it but when CP and Harden were on the court the winning % was pretty insane. Problem was health. Westbrook did have covid and maybe that hurt his stamina a bit?
At the end of the day I admire to some extent the Clippers gumption to obtain Kawahi and PG13. Thunder facilitated the deal by taking on Paul and perhaps while our version of that would not bring us a playoff birth I’d like to be in a “facilitator” than a starphucher.
The Thunder just said good buy to Billy Donovan and one would think they are going into a rebuilding phase just after a magnificent season nobody expected. If CP3 is this great mentor/leader why wouldn’t Thunder keep him for their young guards? With all the picks why would they not have his leadership continue?
And why would we pay THEM our youth or picks for him? Seems counter productive. If I’m Thibs I’m like “Fuck Paul, me and my coaches will do that!!!

martin @ 9/22/2020 10:25 PM
My god

Chandler @ 9/23/2020 9:22 AM
i'm still on Denver bandwagon. If they play with energy they can give Lakers fits

Malone is the better coach

smackeddog @ 9/23/2020 10:43 AM
For me, these playoffs have been the most enjoyable to watch for years- nice to see new players emerging, and lots of unpredictable outcomes
smackeddog @ 9/23/2020 10:45 AM
Interesting that Atkinson misses out on another coaching job (the Bulls), thought he would have been a good fit there- wonder if OKC hires him
TPercy @ 9/23/2020 12:03 PM
smackeddog wrote:For me, these playoffs have been the most enjoyable to watch for years- nice to see new players emerging, and lots of unpredictable outcomes

For sure. Still got Lakers in the end but NBA is so balanced these days.

smackeddog @ 9/23/2020 3:37 PM

Hmmm, wonder who they end up moving? I presume the plan would be to try and land CP3 and keep Simmons and Embiid?

Chandler @ 9/23/2020 4:02 PM
TPercy wrote:
smackeddog wrote:For me, these playoffs have been the most enjoyable to watch for years- nice to see new players emerging, and lots of unpredictable outcomes

For sure. Still got Lakers in the end but NBA is so balanced these days.

i have a sneaky feeling Denver wins. The Howard McGee 1-2 punch has not had anywhere near the impact on Joker that was feared. There are a lot of old Lakers. If Denver plays fast and hard for 48 minutes they can beat them

martin @ 9/23/2020 4:14 PM
smackeddog wrote:

Hmmm, wonder who they end up moving? I presume the plan would be to try and land CP3 and keep Simmons and Embiid?

In an MDA system, can you have Simmons and Embiid and still space the floor?

smackeddog @ 9/23/2020 4:26 PM
martin wrote:
smackeddog wrote:

Hmmm, wonder who they end up moving? I presume the plan would be to try and land CP3 and keep Simmons and Embiid?

In an MDA system, can you have Simmons and Embiid and still space the floor?

I wouldn’t think so, but then I didn’t think harden and Westbrook would have fitted into his system.

He managed to make Boris Diaw a very important piece with the Suns, so I think he’ll like Simmons. Didn’t he and Shaq play together one season for the Suns ? (Just looked it up, Diaw was only 22 games that season). It’s really odd if the sixers do hire him, because it does seem like such a weird fit.

I’d quite like to see a KP for Embiid trade, as I think that would be interesting for both teams. But who knows who they decide to keep and deal

Chandler @ 9/24/2020 9:47 AM
martin wrote:
smackeddog wrote:

Hmmm, wonder who they end up moving? I presume the plan would be to try and land CP3 and keep Simmons and Embiid?

In an MDA system, can you have Simmons and Embiid and still space the floor?

The Sixers right now make no sense. No idea how they fix that roster. Simmons or Embid are not working well together

MDA makes the situation 10x crazier. Maybe some blockbusters in the works, e.g., Simmons for Harden

jrodmc @ 9/24/2020 11:54 AM
TripleThreat wrote:

https://www.latimes.com/sports/lakers/st...


Lakers present case to NBA regarding LeBron James’ lack of free throws
By Broderick Turner Staff Writer
Sep. 23, 2020


ORLANDO, Fla. —

The Lakers have presented a case to the NBA that their star, LeBron James, is not nearly getting his fair share of free throws even though they are positive the hard-charging forward is getting fouled plenty by the Denver Nuggets in their Western Conference finals playoff series.

James shot just two free throws during the Game 3 defeat to the Nuggets on Tuesday night at AdventHealth Arena. And those two free throws came after Denver guard Jamal Murray was called for a flagrant foul for an elbow to James’ jaw.

He has shot 10 free throws total in the three games of the best-of-seven series that resumes Thursday night with Game 4 and the Lakers leading 2-1.

“We’re dealing with the fouls through the proper channels with the league,” coach Frank Vogel told the media via videoconference Wednesday after practice. “I think he’s gone to the basket very aggressively, and I’ll just leave it at that.”
Denver Nuggets' Jamal Murray (27) has the ball stripped away by Los Angeles Lakers guard Rajon Rondo, right, during the second half of Game 3 of the NBA basketball Western Conference final Tuesday, Sept. 22, 2020, in Lake Buena Vista, Fla. (AP Photo/Mark J. Terrill)


In 13 playoff games, James is averaging 6.6 free throws per game, making 72.1% of them. He’s averaging 25.9 points per game, 10 rebounds and 8.8 assists.

The Lakers have had their share of issues with the referees in this series against the Nuggets.

Dwight Howard has been called for two technical fouls, one each in Games 2 and 3, and Lakers assistant coach Phil Handy was called for a technical foul in Game 2.

Vogel was asked about his team’s composure considering the Lakers have been hit with three technical fouls.

“I don’t have any comment publicly about it at this time,” Vogel said.

Vogel then was asked how the Lakers are handling the calls from the referees.

“Yeah, I mean, I think we’re exhibiting decent composure,” Vogel said. “I know we got the tech in Game 2, but yeah, we’re playing through it.”


I wonder what the league says about AD having 32 FTA?
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