Knicks · Another Year, Another PG Problem (page 2)
fishmike wrote:Knixkik wrote:How is that not Frank? As bad as Frank's offense has been if he starts he's got 3 scorers next to him in Morris/Randle/RJ. We dont need a scoring PG in that line up. We need a ball handler who sets guys up and plays D.knicks1248 wrote:Knixkik wrote:I like what we have everywhere else right now. Mitch and Bobby at Center, Randle at PF, Morris and Knox at SF, and Barrett at SG. All can be keepers. But PG once again leaves so much to be desired. Payton is probably the safest bet right now, and maybe he can take a legit step forward. But he can't shoot and seems like a poor long-term fit alongside Barrett, since he's going to be a playmaker. Dennis Smith has talent, sure, and he may have some big breakout games here and there. But he feels more like a long-term 6th man type in the Present-day D Rose mold. Frank looked good guarding Young and has a future in the league as a backup, defensive stopper. But what's the long-term answer at PG? None of these guys can shoot. Hope for Payton or Smith to break out? Next year's draft has some options i guess. The PG market in free agency doesn't look great the next couple of years. We could go after VanVleet in the offseason, who's fit is excellent next to Barrett, but not sure if overpaying him is the answer. Hopefully the front office can figure this out. It's been going on way too long.I literally was about to start a thread on the this same topic..
To make matters worse, Fiz has basically given just about everyone the green light to bring the ball up court in his positionless system. I saw knox, rj, dsj, frank, Morris, randle, ellington all given the opportunity,and none of them look fluid.
I think we had like 2 fast breaks the entire game and scored 96 points, that is absolutely ridiculous, go look at the scoreboard from all the games last night, almost every team that won scored 120 or more, and no one scored less than 110, except GSW who rested everybody who rested curry.The funny thing is they all keep saying they are not worry about the offense, but that looks worse than the defense, all we have is Pick and roll and post play, that's 90's style basketball.
I could give DSJ a pass cause he hasn't play in a game since march, but the rest of our guards can not shoot at all, and our bigs shoot better from the perimeter, thats crazy.
How do you pair so many bad shooters in your back court..WTH
I think Barrett will be a good playmaker once he gets his NBA footing. He's good in the open floor and will improve his decision making as the year goes. It's all about finding someone who pairs well with him now.
to say you don't need a pg that can score in this day and age is crazy, because 9 out 10 times the opposing team will have one. That opposing PG will basically be free to roam on defense because his opponent is shooting 30%.
You saw that first hand last night with trey young barely playing any Defense at all, and frank and DSJ combing for 6 points on 25% shooting in a combine 42 minutes, and only 2 FT. Trey had 10 FTA
Even when RJ was running point, him and the team rarely took advantage of the mis match.
My question is, How are we going to get easy baskets when the entire team is walking the ball up court even on miss shots? You just can't play like that and expect to win
martin wrote:Knixkik wrote:fishmike wrote:Knixkik wrote:How is that not Frank? As bad as Frank's offense has been if he starts he's got 3 scorers next to him in Morris/Randle/RJ. We dont need a scoring PG in that line up. We need a ball handler who sets guys up and plays D.knicks1248 wrote:Knixkik wrote:I like what we have everywhere else right now. Mitch and Bobby at Center, Randle at PF, Morris and Knox at SF, and Barrett at SG. All can be keepers. But PG once again leaves so much to be desired. Payton is probably the safest bet right now, and maybe he can take a legit step forward. But he can't shoot and seems like a poor long-term fit alongside Barrett, since he's going to be a playmaker. Dennis Smith has talent, sure, and he may have some big breakout games here and there. But he feels more like a long-term 6th man type in the Present-day D Rose mold. Frank looked good guarding Young and has a future in the league as a backup, defensive stopper. But what's the long-term answer at PG? None of these guys can shoot. Hope for Payton or Smith to break out? Next year's draft has some options i guess. The PG market in free agency doesn't look great the next couple of years. We could go after VanVleet in the offseason, who's fit is excellent next to Barrett, but not sure if overpaying him is the answer. Hopefully the front office can figure this out. It's been going on way too long.I literally was about to start a thread on the this same topic..
To make matters worse, Fiz has basically given just about everyone the green light to bring the ball up court in his positionless system. I saw knox, rj, dsj, frank, Morris, randle, ellington all given the opportunity,and none of them look fluid.
I think we had like 2 fast breaks the entire game and scored 96 points, that is absolutely ridiculous, go look at the scoreboard from all the games last night, almost every team that won scored 120 or more, and no one scored less than 110, except GSW who rested everybody who rested curry.The funny thing is they all keep saying they are not worry about the offense, but that looks worse than the defense, all we have is Pick and roll and post play, that's 90's style basketball.
I could give DSJ a pass cause he hasn't play in a game since march, but the rest of our guards can not shoot at all, and our bigs shoot better from the perimeter, thats crazy.
How do you pair so many bad shooters in your back court..WTH
I think Barrett will be a good playmaker once he gets his NBA footing. He's good in the open floor and will improve his decision making as the year goes. It's all about finding someone who pairs well with him now.
The problem with Frank is he can't shoot (to this point) and is completely uninterested in being a scoring threat. Can't put a guy next to RJ that will shoot 35% from the field and 30% from 3pt, or whatever, and expect him to be the solution. We don't need a scorer at PG, but we need someone at least capable of keeping a defense honest.
Feel like that is changing... Regular season games will be telling.
It will. So far he looks to me the same he did as a rookie. I know injuries preventing some development, but ultimately his mindset is what needs to be corrected for any real change to be made. The physical ability is not in question.
Uptown wrote:An attacking pg with vision that can collapse the defense and either kick or drop it off for layups and dunks will lift this offense and make Fiz system look so much better. Elf and especially Frank are ball movers and are rarely in attack mode...DSJ can get into the paint almost at will, but his lack of a consitent Jay causes the D to sag ofg and clog the paint as they dare him to shoot. Also, his health is a concern. Same with Frank.
I feel like this is a make or break year for both DSJ and Frank. One or both will not be here in July.
I haven't watched a ton of Payton before. I thought he was an attacking, drive and dish PG?
Smith could have just gone one on five for most of the game, but he didnt. Spent almost all of it setting up other teammates. Fizdale needs to get that sorted out, more done to help Smith jr get going. Like setting screens.
GustavBahler wrote:As I mentioned in the game thread, Young had his teammates setting one screen after another for him. Often defenders were running into multiple screeners in one trip down the court. Cant recall a single screen being set for Smith jr. Didnt see any plays run for him as well. Young and DSJr are two of the fastest PGs in the league. Smith jr should expect the same from his teammates. All he needs is a little daylight to make something happen, like Trae.Smith could have just gone one on five for most of the game, but he didnt. Spent almost all of it setting up other teammates. Fizdale needs to get that sorted out, more done to help Smith jr get going. Like setting screens.
Agree with this. Would think DSJR would thrive on offense if we had a PnR offensive scheme. Problem is, the Knicks seem to have committed to the idea that Randle and the front court is where the points will probably come from. Also, we dont have ANY three point consistent shooters so the need for a player, like Dennis. that is breaking down the defense and creating outside shots has less of a premium. As mentioned in another thread, think it is curious that the Knicks have put together a group of guys that are not typical of the style of play that other teams are trying to create.
If the Knicks are going to be a team that is composed of a mostly post up type offense, then I think Frank makes the most sense at PG. He can play solid defense and does not need to be overly aggressive on offense. Problem is, do not think that is the type of offense that we should be building.
GustavBahler wrote:As I mentioned in the game thread, Young had his teammates setting one screen after another for him. Often defenders were running into multiple screeners in one trip down the court. Cant recall a single screen being set for Smith jr. Didnt see any plays run for him as well. Young and DSJr are two of the fastest PGs in the league. Smith jr should expect the same from his teammates. All he needs is a little daylight to make something happen, like Trae.Smith could have just gone one on five for most of the game, but he didnt. Spent almost all of it setting up other teammates. Fizdale needs to get that sorted out, more done to help Smith jr get going. Like setting screens.
Very true. This makes me wonder about the lineup evaluation. I mean, you can evaluate the players all you want, but shouldn’t you try to put them in the best situation according to their talent? It was just one preseason game, but I’m waiting for signs of a new and improved offensive playbook.
Also, I hope Fiz settles in a lineup before the last preseason game. He can’t be experimenting with lineups 20 games into the regular season like last year.
If it’s Broke......Fix it.
If he don’t experiment we’ll call him “Inflexible”.
Let’s be real, the New guys are not that great. The young guys have the upside pedigree. They are here to pull them up.
Right now Dennis smith is not as good as Mudiay or Trey Burke. That shyt has to change.
MS wrote:The real issue is not repairing your relationship with your franchise player and trading him for DSJR who can't play.This one is on Perry. As, is signing another reclamation project of his that is redundant in our offense. I am very confused with Fizdale and his coaching. Barrett is playing to many minutes and DSJR should be our bench scoring threat, not our starting point guard.
Yeah why the hell is Barrett playing 39 minutes a game. Thats insane. Are we tring to get him injured
Nalod wrote:If it works.......Don’t fix it.
If it’s Broke......Fix it.If he don’t experiment we’ll call him “Inflexible”.
Let’s be real, the New guys are not that great. The young guys have the upside pedigree. They are here to pull them up.Right now Dennis smith is not as good as Mudiay or Trey Burke. That shyt has to change.
Whats more likely is Scott Perry gets fired this off-season when DSJR and Knox fail to develop, Mitch Robinson takes a step back, and Barrett is incredibly inefficent
Nalod wrote:If it works.......Don’t fix it.There was a ton of hype about Smith's great camp pre-injury, his changed shot, and his fitness. I think rust and injury had more to do with yesterday's performance. Twenty one minutes in one preseason game after being out again with a back injury shouldn't decide his fate or if he is extended.
If it’s Broke......Fix it.If he don’t experiment we’ll call him “Inflexible”.
Let’s be real, the New guys are not that great. The young guys have the upside pedigree. They are here to pull them up.Right now Dennis smith is not as good as Mudiay or Trey Burke. That shyt has to change.
CrushAlot wrote:Nalod wrote:If it works.......Don’t fix it.There was a ton of hype about Smith's great camp pre-injury, his changed shot, and his fitness. I think rust and injury had more to do with yesterday's performance. Twenty one minutes in one preseason game after being out again with a back injury shouldn't decide his fate or if he is extended.
If it’s Broke......Fix it.If he don’t experiment we’ll call him “Inflexible”.
Let’s be real, the New guys are not that great. The young guys have the upside pedigree. They are here to pull them up.Right now Dennis smith is not as good as Mudiay or Trey Burke. That shyt has to change.
I not suggesting to react as you said. “This shyt has to change”, Meaning he has to show what he can do!!
Of the 3 players, he is the most complete. None of them shoot well enough to give an advantage to one. DSjr can get ot the basket a LITTLE better but the rest go to Frank. Payton has shown to be a decent guy off the bench. Many truple doubles in his resume, so he can be effective. Always a slow starter if I recall.
I would look to move DSjr for a proven shooter or a future draft pick.
The Knicks do not have enough pure shooters on the team.
HofstraBBall wrote:GustavBahler wrote:As I mentioned in the game thread, Young had his teammates setting one screen after another for him. Often defenders were running into multiple screeners in one trip down the court. Cant recall a single screen being set for Smith jr. Didnt see any plays run for him as well. Young and DSJr are two of the fastest PGs in the league. Smith jr should expect the same from his teammates. All he needs is a little daylight to make something happen, like Trae.Smith could have just gone one on five for most of the game, but he didnt. Spent almost all of it setting up other teammates. Fizdale needs to get that sorted out, more done to help Smith jr get going. Like setting screens.
Agree with this. Would think DSJR would thrive on offense if we had a PnR offensive scheme. Problem is, the Knicks seem to have committed to the idea that Randle and the front court is where the points will probably come from. Also, we dont have ANY three point consistent shooters so the need for a player, like Dennis. that is breaking down the defense and creating outside shots has less of a premium. As mentioned in another thread, think it is curious that the Knicks have put together a group of guys that are not typical of the style of play that other teams are trying to create.
If the Knicks are going to be a team that is composed of a mostly post up type offense, then I think Frank makes the most sense at PG. He can play solid defense and does not need to be overly aggressive on offense. Problem is, do not think that is the type of offense that we should be building.
I've always like Fizdale, but I'm starting to wonder about this stuff.
It will be interesting to see how GS does without all their stars. They may not win, but they get open shots. They have a nice system, and guys buy in.
I am starting to wonder about what exactly Fizdale is trying to do. We don't have any uber talents that just make the game easy. We have to have some kind of system to create open looks. We may not have good shooters, but there is no reason for us to not get open looks.
GoNyGoNyGo wrote:I am a Frank guy. He defends great and he knows how to be a PG. His shooting MUST improve. The thing with Frank is that he has good form and his shots are usually hitting the front of the rim when he misses. IN practice vidoes he hits all his shots, so I am wondering if it is just a mental thing with him in games? Confidence? maybe h needs a sports psychologist?Of the 3 players, he is the most complete. None of them shoot well enough to give an advantage to one. DSjr can get ot the basket a LITTLE better but the rest go to Frank. Payton has shown to be a decent guy off the bench. Many truple doubles in his resume, so he can be effective. Always a slow starter if I recall.
I would look to move DSjr for a proven shooter or a future draft pick.
The Knicks do not have enough pure shooters on the team.
IMO, Trier and DSJ are redundant and not in a good way. The Knicks should keep one or the other. Relegating either to the towel section of the bench is simply not cost-effective nor good for their careers.
Unless Fizdale is delusional about his commitment to defense then Frankie and Payton have got to be your PGs with whoever is left being the third option when scoring at any cost is necessary.
DSJ has simply not impressed me and, quite frankly, the Mavs wanted him to succeed. How he managed not only to F that up but to also turn himself into a league-wide undesirable trade asset remains a mystery. I'd love to be wrong about this guy but I get red flags popping up everywhere whenever I see his progress.
Trier is another player who I don't think fits well. He's a feelgood story for sure and given a free reign to ISO will get those stat sheets filled. I just don't see how that works on this team assuming we're both playing to win and trying to develop a winning culture. And this by no means is a slam of Trier who likely is a fit in the right system.
Maybe Atlanta would send us VC for one of them.
As for Payton I have no doubt he will come around. As a bench player he will bring some positives.
DSJ is replaceable. These types of inefficient scorer guards are easy to find. I still would pick up his option because 5M is not much for a player but would not be upset if he was not.
fwk00 wrote:GoNyGoNyGo wrote:I am a Frank guy. He defends great and he knows how to be a PG. His shooting MUST improve. The thing with Frank is that he has good form and his shots are usually hitting the front of the rim when he misses. IN practice vidoes he hits all his shots, so I am wondering if it is just a mental thing with him in games? Confidence? maybe h needs a sports psychologist?Of the 3 players, he is the most complete. None of them shoot well enough to give an advantage to one. DSjr can get ot the basket a LITTLE better but the rest go to Frank. Payton has shown to be a decent guy off the bench. Many truple doubles in his resume, so he can be effective. Always a slow starter if I recall.
I would look to move DSjr for a proven shooter or a future draft pick.
The Knicks do not have enough pure shooters on the team.
IMO, Trier and DSJ are redundant and not in a good way. The Knicks should keep one or the other. Relegating either to the towel section of the bench is simply not cost-effective nor good for their careers.
Unless Fizdale is delusional about his commitment to defense then Frankie and Payton have got to be your PGs with whoever is left being the third option when scoring at any cost is necessary.
DSJ has simply not impressed me and, quite frankly, the Mavs wanted him to succeed. How he managed not only to F that up but to also turn himself into a league-wide undesirable trade asset remains a mystery. I'd love to be wrong about this guy but I get red flags popping up everywhere whenever I see his progress.
Trier is another player who I don't think fits well. He's a feelgood story for sure and given a free reign to ISO will get those stat sheets filled. I just don't see how that works on this team assuming we're both playing to win and trying to develop a winning culture. And this by no means is a slam of Trier who likely is a fit in the right system.
Maybe Atlanta would send us VC for one of them.
You can make a case that all of our PG's have short comings. I think you would have more patience with DSJ if the knicks drafted him, there are just as many red flags for DSJ as it is for Frank
There's just no way in hell you can have a pg shooting 30%, and say you can live with that because he plays solid defense.
Trey young is an awful defender for the most part, but you can live with that because he can shoot lights out, penetrate, and has an elite passing ability.
Payton had 5 triple double last season, compared to frank who hasn't recorded a 20 point game in over 150 games, and has 1 double digit assist game in 2 seasons.
Frank is not a starting pg or sg, he's a 22 minute a night utility guy..
fwk00 wrote:GoNyGoNyGo wrote:I am a Frank guy. He defends great and he knows how to be a PG. His shooting MUST improve. The thing with Frank is that he has good form and his shots are usually hitting the front of the rim when he misses. IN practice vidoes he hits all his shots, so I am wondering if it is just a mental thing with him in games? Confidence? maybe h needs a sports psychologist?Of the 3 players, he is the most complete. None of them shoot well enough to give an advantage to one. DSjr can get ot the basket a LITTLE better but the rest go to Frank. Payton has shown to be a decent guy off the bench. Many truple doubles in his resume, so he can be effective. Always a slow starter if I recall.
I would look to move DSjr for a proven shooter or a future draft pick.
The Knicks do not have enough pure shooters on the team.
IMO, Trier and DSJ are redundant and not in a good way. The Knicks should keep one or the other. Relegating either to the towel section of the bench is simply not cost-effective nor good for their careers.
Unless Fizdale is delusional about his commitment to defense then Frankie and Payton have got to be your PGs with whoever is left being the third option when scoring at any cost is necessary.
DSJ has simply not impressed me and, quite frankly, the Mavs wanted him to succeed. How he managed not only to F that up but to also turn himself into a league-wide undesirable trade asset remains a mystery. I'd love to be wrong about this guy but I get red flags popping up everywhere whenever I see his progress.
Trier is another player who I don't think fits well. He's a feelgood story for sure and given a free reign to ISO will get those stat sheets filled. I just don't see how that works on this team assuming we're both playing to win and trying to develop a winning culture. And this by no means is a slam of Trier who likely is a fit in the right system.
Maybe Atlanta would send us VC for one of them.
Disagree with a couple things. First, Dennis getting sent out of Dallas was more about a guy named Luka than him F'ing things up. Unless one thinks 15/5 for first year is f'ing things up? Then what do you think Franks first 2 years would be called?
Secondly Trier is not close to what Smith brings to the team. Last I checked Smith averaged almost 3 times the amount of assists. And thats including many bricks from guys he set up for open threes last year.
Again, domt think Frank shoupd be given up on but also feel Smith should be given a shot before we cast him off. And I dont think that means a half year and one pre season game.
knicks1248 wrote:fwk00 wrote:GoNyGoNyGo wrote:I am a Frank guy. He defends great and he knows how to be a PG. His shooting MUST improve. The thing with Frank is that he has good form and his shots are usually hitting the front of the rim when he misses. IN practice vidoes he hits all his shots, so I am wondering if it is just a mental thing with him in games? Confidence? maybe h needs a sports psychologist?Of the 3 players, he is the most complete. None of them shoot well enough to give an advantage to one. DSjr can get ot the basket a LITTLE better but the rest go to Frank. Payton has shown to be a decent guy off the bench. Many truple doubles in his resume, so he can be effective. Always a slow starter if I recall.
I would look to move DSjr for a proven shooter or a future draft pick.
The Knicks do not have enough pure shooters on the team.
IMO, Trier and DSJ are redundant and not in a good way. The Knicks should keep one or the other. Relegating either to the towel section of the bench is simply not cost-effective nor good for their careers.
Unless Fizdale is delusional about his commitment to defense then Frankie and Payton have got to be your PGs with whoever is left being the third option when scoring at any cost is necessary.
DSJ has simply not impressed me and, quite frankly, the Mavs wanted him to succeed. How he managed not only to F that up but to also turn himself into a league-wide undesirable trade asset remains a mystery. I'd love to be wrong about this guy but I get red flags popping up everywhere whenever I see his progress.
Trier is another player who I don't think fits well. He's a feelgood story for sure and given a free reign to ISO will get those stat sheets filled. I just don't see how that works on this team assuming we're both playing to win and trying to develop a winning culture. And this by no means is a slam of Trier who likely is a fit in the right system.
Maybe Atlanta would send us VC for one of them.
You can make a case that all of our PG's have short comings. I think you would have more patience with DSJ if the knicks drafted him, there are just as many red flags for DSJ as it is for Frank
There's just no way in hell you can have a pg shooting 30%, and say you can live with that because he plays solid defense.
Trey young is an awful defender for the most part, but you can live with that because he can shoot lights out, penetrate, and has an elite passing ability.
Payton had 5 triple double last season, compared to frank who hasn't recorded a 20 point game in over 150 games, and has 1 double digit assist game in 2 seasons.
Frank is not a starting pg or sg, he's a 22 minute a night utility guy..
I think Young will be exposed when/if he plays in playoffs games. Young is the star of the team. Franck, a utility guy shut down completely Young when he defends him. I would not expect Frank to be paid what Atlanta will likely pay for Young in a few years. Scorers are more easy to find than defenders.
Jmpasq wrote:MS wrote:The real issue is not repairing your relationship with your franchise player and trading him for DSJR who can't play.This one is on Perry. As, is signing another reclamation project of his that is redundant in our offense. I am very confused with Fizdale and his coaching. Barrett is playing to many minutes and DSJR should be our bench scoring threat, not our starting point guard.
Yeah why the hell is Barrett playing 39 minutes a game. Thats insane. Are we tring to get him injured
He's 19 years old with zero health concerns. This isn't like Zion and Morant who already have knee issues being monitored. At 19 you can play all day without breaking down. He needs to be out there to learn.
knicks1248 wrote:fishmike wrote:Knixkik wrote:How is that not Frank? As bad as Frank's offense has been if he starts he's got 3 scorers next to him in Morris/Randle/RJ. We dont need a scoring PG in that line up. We need a ball handler who sets guys up and plays D.knicks1248 wrote:Knixkik wrote:I like what we have everywhere else right now. Mitch and Bobby at Center, Randle at PF, Morris and Knox at SF, and Barrett at SG. All can be keepers. But PG once again leaves so much to be desired. Payton is probably the safest bet right now, and maybe he can take a legit step forward. But he can't shoot and seems like a poor long-term fit alongside Barrett, since he's going to be a playmaker. Dennis Smith has talent, sure, and he may have some big breakout games here and there. But he feels more like a long-term 6th man type in the Present-day D Rose mold. Frank looked good guarding Young and has a future in the league as a backup, defensive stopper. But what's the long-term answer at PG? None of these guys can shoot. Hope for Payton or Smith to break out? Next year's draft has some options i guess. The PG market in free agency doesn't look great the next couple of years. We could go after VanVleet in the offseason, who's fit is excellent next to Barrett, but not sure if overpaying him is the answer. Hopefully the front office can figure this out. It's been going on way too long.I literally was about to start a thread on the this same topic..
To make matters worse, Fiz has basically given just about everyone the green light to bring the ball up court in his positionless system. I saw knox, rj, dsj, frank, Morris, randle, ellington all given the opportunity,and none of them look fluid.
I think we had like 2 fast breaks the entire game and scored 96 points, that is absolutely ridiculous, go look at the scoreboard from all the games last night, almost every team that won scored 120 or more, and no one scored less than 110, except GSW who rested everybody who rested curry.The funny thing is they all keep saying they are not worry about the offense, but that looks worse than the defense, all we have is Pick and roll and post play, that's 90's style basketball.
I could give DSJ a pass cause he hasn't play in a game since march, but the rest of our guards can not shoot at all, and our bigs shoot better from the perimeter, thats crazy.
How do you pair so many bad shooters in your back court..WTH
I think Barrett will be a good playmaker once he gets his NBA footing. He's good in the open floor and will improve his decision making as the year goes. It's all about finding someone who pairs well with him now.
to say you don't need a pg that can score in this day and age is crazy, because 9 out 10 times the opposing team will have one. That opposing PG will basically be free to roam on defense because his opponent is shooting 30%.
You saw that first hand last night with trey young barely playing any Defense at all, and frank and DSJ combing for 6 points on 25% shooting in a combine 42 minutes, and only 2 FT. Trey had 10 FTA
Even when RJ was running point, him and the team rarely took advantage of the mis match.
My question is, How are we going to get easy baskets when the entire team is walking the ball up court even on miss shots? You just can't play like that and expect to win
I think you are confusing the PG position with other positions. The opposing team will not be free to roam on defense. Why? Because it's the PG. He will have the ball for the most part of the half court set. If his defender roams freely then he is not doing a very good job. Now if you are saying they will sag off him when he deliver an entry pass to the post then maybe but that has not happened because why? Frank after he delivers the entry pass clears out and takes his defender with him. Basketball 101.
Walking the ball up? Dude. Frank is one of the better players in recognizing when to pass ahead. His head is always up. When he sees a teammate ahead of him in transition he always passes ahead. Again, Basketball 101. You want him to dribble all the way and make some crazy highlight type play? Man, that is not his game. Frank is a game manager on offense. He looks at who is hot and/or who has a mismatch and gets them the ball.
You are so infatuated with one-on-one basketball that blinds you to the fact that PGs are suppose the direct and set up his team to get the other 4 players involved.
Elfrid is has reached his ceiling. He is a backup PG right now. Nothing wrong with that. Teams need those type of players.
DSJr right now is not healthy and anybody can see that. Unfortunately, his game is all about athleticism. He is not a very smart basketball player. His defense is horrible. Right now, he needs to get healthy. I don't know if he will ever be healthy.
If Fizdale doesn't start Frank then he is stupid. Frank's defense and intangibles is just too good to overlook.
I mean if I am a player then I would love to play with him as my PG. Dude is a very willing and capable passer. His passes are also very accurate. He gives you the ball where you can actually do something with it.