Knicks · Game of Threads: Season opener game one! Knicks Vs. Spurs in San Antonio. (page 17)

This games out come would have been different had Fizdale not started a stupid lineup to begin with. Barrett is not a PG. Trier is a sixth man at best. When Payton picked up his 5th foul he went back to Barrett at PG. I was like what the hell you doing put Frank back in. Fizdale has an opportunity to build Frank up instead he took it as an opportunity to demote him. With this one stupid move he took the air out of the entire team.
I’ll be the first to admit that Frank didn’t play well, but why is it that everyone else can make mistakes but Frank can’t. We are working with a self proclaimed Wack job of a leader.

The quick hook on frank was not cool but coach did what he thought he had to do with the team still having a lead.
Still lost to the game. Maybe Frank would have calmed down. His steal and fast break was good, and a no call on the goal tend took it away. Issue was transition after the no call frank was not in position on defense. Defense leads to fast breaks!!! 3 minutes. The last pass was not good as he sent it to a crowd. Randle might have had a part in it as he did not finish coming to the ball. Bad play.
Trier had a few good looks and they were half way down. His defense was pretty bad.
Dennis smith was incredibly bad. He had no lift. Back problems???

Nalod wrote:The quick hook on frank was not cool but coach did what he thought he had to do with the team still having a lead.
Still lost to the game. Maybe Frank would have calmed down. His steal and fast break was good, and a no call on the goal tend took it away. Issue was transition after the no call frank was not in position on defense. Defense leads to fast breaks!!! 3 minutes. The last pass was not good as he sent it to a crowd. Randle might have had a part in it as he did not finish coming to the ball. Bad play.
Trier had a few good looks and they were half way down. His defense was pretty bad.
Dennis smith was incredibly bad. He had no lift. Back problems???

I thought he needed to get Frank out. Frank made a lot of big mistakes and was a big part of why the Spurs made their run. I felt like the momentum swing happened when Payton came out. Frank’s turnovers and fouls were a big part of the Spurs run.

Vmart wrote:This games out come would have been different had Fizdale not started a stupid lineup to begin with. Barrett is not a PG. Trier is a sixth man at best. When Payton picked up his 5th foul he went back to Barrett at PG. I was like what the hell you doing put Frank back in. Fizdale has an opportunity to build Frank up instead he took it as an opportunity to demote him. With this one stupid move he took the air out of the entire team.
I’ll be the first to admit that Frank didn’t play well, but why is it that everyone else can make mistakes but Frank can’t. We are working with a self proclaimed Wack job of a leader.

Smith played like crap and got only 10mins after starting. Trier played like crap and got only 7mins after starting. So Frank wasn't really singled out. I think it was more of the timing. Game was really competitive late in the game and Frank had 2 lazy pass TOs which will piss any coach off. Credit to Spurs defense though, they upped the pressure and were contesting every pass. They have underrated length.

Frank was cheated his layup though which was a goal tending.

Ellington is terrible cuz he thinks he is Kobe smh.

Tough loss. Love our resilience after being down early. RJ looks like the real deal. I know its only one game and there will be down nights but he looks like a really good two way player, just needs to work on jumper. DSJ and Frank had rough nights for sure. Smith got torched and Frank made two really bad turovers z although he got screwed on that goaltending non call. Morris and Randle showed their versitility. Knox hit some big shots but his defense is an issue. Payton played well but gotta cut down the fouls. Ellington just jacked up shots everytime he got the ball. One thing about Fiz i dont like is that he allows everyone to shoot 3's all the time which hurt us last night. We also really missed Mitch. Its just one game though. Lets get them on Friday!!!

CrushAlot wrote:

Nalod wrote:The quick hook on frank was not cool but coach did what he thought he had to do with the team still having a lead.
Still lost to the game. Maybe Frank would have calmed down. His steal and fast break was good, and a no call on the goal tend took it away. Issue was transition after the no call frank was not in position on defense. Defense leads to fast breaks!!! 3 minutes. The last pass was not good as he sent it to a crowd. Randle might have had a part in it as he did not finish coming to the ball. Bad play.
Trier had a few good looks and they were half way down. His defense was pretty bad.
Dennis smith was incredibly bad. He had no lift. Back problems???

I thought he needed to get Frank out. Frank made a lot of big mistakes and was a big part of why the Spurs made their run. I felt like the momentum swing happened when Payton came out. Frank’s turnovers and fouls were a big part of the Spurs run.

The minute he put him in, i told everyone around me we were going to lose the lead, and we did.

I think frank killed the momentum instantly, and DSJ was also useless, trier looked shock that he even started.

knicks1248 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Nalod wrote:The quick hook on frank was not cool but coach did what he thought he had to do with the team still having a lead.
Still lost to the game. Maybe Frank would have calmed down. His steal and fast break was good, and a no call on the goal tend took it away. Issue was transition after the no call frank was not in position on defense. Defense leads to fast breaks!!! 3 minutes. The last pass was not good as he sent it to a crowd. Randle might have had a part in it as he did not finish coming to the ball. Bad play.
Trier had a few good looks and they were half way down. His defense was pretty bad.
Dennis smith was incredibly bad. He had no lift. Back problems???

I thought he needed to get Frank out. Frank made a lot of big mistakes and was a big part of why the Spurs made their run. I felt like the momentum swing happened when Payton came out. Frank’s turnovers and fouls were a big part of the Spurs run.

The minute he put him in, i told everyone around me we were going to lose the lead, and we did.

I think frank killed the momentum instantly, and DSJ was also useless, trier looked shock that he even started.

Guess you really are Rainman

StarksEwing1 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Nalod wrote:The quick hook on frank was not cool but coach did what he thought he had to do with the team still having a lead.
Still lost to the game. Maybe Frank would have calmed down. His steal and fast break was good, and a no call on the goal tend took it away. Issue was transition after the no call frank was not in position on defense. Defense leads to fast breaks!!! 3 minutes. The last pass was not good as he sent it to a crowd. Randle might have had a part in it as he did not finish coming to the ball. Bad play.
Trier had a few good looks and they were half way down. His defense was pretty bad.
Dennis smith was incredibly bad. He had no lift. Back problems???

I thought he needed to get Frank out. Frank made a lot of big mistakes and was a big part of why the Spurs made their run. I felt like the momentum swing happened when Payton came out. Frank’s turnovers and fouls were a big part of the Spurs run.

The minute he put him in, i told everyone around me we were going to lose the lead, and we did.

I think frank killed the momentum instantly, and DSJ was also useless, trier looked shock that he even started.

Guess you really are Rainman

He is 100% correct but Peyton needs to rest somewhere. DSJ played so bad it was time to give Frank a shot. He played terrible.

Allanfan20 wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Nalod wrote:The quick hook on frank was not cool but coach did what he thought he had to do with the team still having a lead.
Still lost to the game. Maybe Frank would have calmed down. His steal and fast break was good, and a no call on the goal tend took it away. Issue was transition after the no call frank was not in position on defense. Defense leads to fast breaks!!! 3 minutes. The last pass was not good as he sent it to a crowd. Randle might have had a part in it as he did not finish coming to the ball. Bad play.
Trier had a few good looks and they were half way down. His defense was pretty bad.
Dennis smith was incredibly bad. He had no lift. Back problems???

I thought he needed to get Frank out. Frank made a lot of big mistakes and was a big part of why the Spurs made their run. I felt like the momentum swing happened when Payton came out. Frank’s turnovers and fouls were a big part of the Spurs run.

The minute he put him in, i told everyone around me we were going to lose the lead, and we did.

I think frank killed the momentum instantly, and DSJ was also useless, trier looked shock that he even started.

Guess you really are Rainman

He is 100% correct but Peyton needs to rest somewhere. DSJ played so bad it was time to give Frank a shot. He played terrible.

frank had 2 turnovers in 3 min which lead to 6 spurs points, which was our lead when he came in

I actually thought It was an awful time to put someone in a game at that point, almost like you were given him garbage minutes and it wasn't garbage time..

Allanfan20 wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Nalod wrote:The quick hook on frank was not cool but coach did what he thought he had to do with the team still having a lead.
Still lost to the game. Maybe Frank would have calmed down. His steal and fast break was good, and a no call on the goal tend took it away. Issue was transition after the no call frank was not in position on defense. Defense leads to fast breaks!!! 3 minutes. The last pass was not good as he sent it to a crowd. Randle might have had a part in it as he did not finish coming to the ball. Bad play.
Trier had a few good looks and they were half way down. His defense was pretty bad.
Dennis smith was incredibly bad. He had no lift. Back problems???

I thought he needed to get Frank out. Frank made a lot of big mistakes and was a big part of why the Spurs made their run. I felt like the momentum swing happened when Payton came out. Frank’s turnovers and fouls were a big part of the Spurs run.

The minute he put him in, i told everyone around me we were going to lose the lead, and we did.

I think frank killed the momentum instantly, and DSJ was also useless, trier looked shock that he even started.

Guess you really are Rainman

He is 100% correct but Peyton needs to rest somewhere. DSJ played so bad it was time to give Frank a shot. He played terrible.

I agree Frank played very bad last night. However I do question the timing of putting him in at that point. I would of put him in after Smith was struggling just for defense. Not saying Frank would of played any better but it was strange to put him in that late in the game.

knicks1248 wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Nalod wrote:The quick hook on frank was not cool but coach did what he thought he had to do with the team still having a lead.
Still lost to the game. Maybe Frank would have calmed down. His steal and fast break was good, and a no call on the goal tend took it away. Issue was transition after the no call frank was not in position on defense. Defense leads to fast breaks!!! 3 minutes. The last pass was not good as he sent it to a crowd. Randle might have had a part in it as he did not finish coming to the ball. Bad play.
Trier had a few good looks and they were half way down. His defense was pretty bad.
Dennis smith was incredibly bad. He had no lift. Back problems???

I thought he needed to get Frank out. Frank made a lot of big mistakes and was a big part of why the Spurs made their run. I felt like the momentum swing happened when Payton came out. Frank’s turnovers and fouls were a big part of the Spurs run.

The minute he put him in, i told everyone around me we were going to lose the lead, and we did.

I think frank killed the momentum instantly, and DSJ was also useless, trier looked shock that he even started.

Guess you really are Rainman

He is 100% correct but Peyton needs to rest somewhere. DSJ played so bad it was time to give Frank a shot. He played terrible.

frank had 2 turnovers in 3 min which lead to 6 spurs points, which was our lead when he came in

I actually thought It was an awful time to put someone in a game at that point, almost like you were given him garbage minutes and it wasn't garbage time..

This is actually a good point. From not playing in the first half and all of last preseason game, he comes in on a big moment all cold.

Not an excuse, though. Peyton came in with the team falling apart and righted the ship.

Dennis is a mess that needs lots of time to get his game together. Frank seems to have reverted to the "deer in the headlights" we so much dread.

But Fiz did NONE of his point guards any help with the way he rotated them.

Nalod wrote:The quick hook on frank was not cool but coach did what he thought he had to do with the team still having a lead.
Still lost to the game. Maybe Frank would have calmed down. His steal and fast break was good, and a no call on the goal tend took it away. Issue was transition after the no call frank was not in position on defense. Defense leads to fast breaks!!! 3 minutes. The last pass was not good as he sent it to a crowd. Randle might have had a part in it as he did not finish coming to the ball. Bad play.
Trier had a few good looks and they were half way down. His defense was pretty bad.
Dennis smith was incredibly bad. He had no lift. Back problems???

Frank had a bad actually really terrible 2 passes. He actually had 2 very good passes that his teammate clanked and Taj blowing the dunk but those 2 passes was CYO level type passes. His defense was good. Had a nice steal but the goal tending no call took that away. He was an afterthought on the game coming in late in the 3rd quarter. Then getting the hook. He is a pro and should be able to handle that but it is understandable that he pressed and looked out of sorts on offense. The quick hook was terrible. Other players got a 2nd reprieve but it is what it is. He has to do better.

Agree on Trier. He needs to keep attacking or he is useless out there.

DSJr was horrible. I really think he is hurt. He needs to get that right because I think he can be really good.

Payton really reminds me of Jarrett Jack without the jumper.

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Nalod wrote:The quick hook on frank was not cool but coach did what he thought he had to do with the team still having a lead.
Still lost to the game. Maybe Frank would have calmed down. His steal and fast break was good, and a no call on the goal tend took it away. Issue was transition after the no call frank was not in position on defense. Defense leads to fast breaks!!! 3 minutes. The last pass was not good as he sent it to a crowd. Randle might have had a part in it as he did not finish coming to the ball. Bad play.
Trier had a few good looks and they were half way down. His defense was pretty bad.
Dennis smith was incredibly bad. He had no lift. Back problems???

I thought he needed to get Frank out. Frank made a lot of big mistakes and was a big part of why the Spurs made their run. I felt like the momentum swing happened when Payton came out. Frank’s turnovers and fouls were a big part of the Spurs run.

The minute he put him in, i told everyone around me we were going to lose the lead, and we did.

I think frank killed the momentum instantly, and DSJ was also useless, trier looked shock that he even started.

Guess you really are Rainman

He is 100% correct but Peyton needs to rest somewhere. DSJ played so bad it was time to give Frank a shot. He played terrible.

I agree Frank played very bad last night. However I do question the timing of putting him in at that point. I would of put him in after Smith was struggling just for defense. Not saying Frank would of played any better but it was strange to put him in that late in the game.

I agree that it was a tough situation for Frank but he is a pro and he needs to step up.

This is on Fiz. You need to put your players where they can succeed. He basically put Frank in the game where everybody has been more than warmed up and Frank being cold as heck. knicks1248 was right in that I also felt they will lose the lead. He was almost set up to fail.

NYKBocker wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Nalod wrote:The quick hook on frank was not cool but coach did what he thought he had to do with the team still having a lead.
Still lost to the game. Maybe Frank would have calmed down. His steal and fast break was good, and a no call on the goal tend took it away. Issue was transition after the no call frank was not in position on defense. Defense leads to fast breaks!!! 3 minutes. The last pass was not good as he sent it to a crowd. Randle might have had a part in it as he did not finish coming to the ball. Bad play.
Trier had a few good looks and they were half way down. His defense was pretty bad.
Dennis smith was incredibly bad. He had no lift. Back problems???

I thought he needed to get Frank out. Frank made a lot of big mistakes and was a big part of why the Spurs made their run. I felt like the momentum swing happened when Payton came out. Frank’s turnovers and fouls were a big part of the Spurs run.

The minute he put him in, i told everyone around me we were going to lose the lead, and we did.

I think frank killed the momentum instantly, and DSJ was also useless, trier looked shock that he even started.

Guess you really are Rainman

He is 100% correct but Peyton needs to rest somewhere. DSJ played so bad it was time to give Frank a shot. He played terrible.

I agree Frank played very bad last night. However I do question the timing of putting him in at that point. I would of put him in after Smith was struggling just for defense. Not saying Frank would of played any better but it was strange to put him in that late in the game.

I agree that it was a tough situation for Frank but he is a pro and he needs to step up.

This is on Fiz. You need to put your players where they can succeed. He basically put Frank in the game where everybody has been more than warmed up and Frank being cold as heck. knicks1248 was right in that I also felt they will lose the lead. He was almost set up to fail.

I agree he needed to step up last night. Maybe just an off night. Before the two terrible passes he had a couple good ones which Taj couldnt finish and had that goaltend non call which i think was a big play in that game. I had no issue with Fiz yanking him quickly thats fine but waiting until halfway through the 3rd when he hasnt had any rhythm kind of set him up to fail like you said

NYKBocker wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Nalod wrote:The quick hook on frank was not cool but coach did what he thought he had to do with the team still having a lead.
Still lost to the game. Maybe Frank would have calmed down. His steal and fast break was good, and a no call on the goal tend took it away. Issue was transition after the no call frank was not in position on defense. Defense leads to fast breaks!!! 3 minutes. The last pass was not good as he sent it to a crowd. Randle might have had a part in it as he did not finish coming to the ball. Bad play.
Trier had a few good looks and they were half way down. His defense was pretty bad.
Dennis smith was incredibly bad. He had no lift. Back problems???

I thought he needed to get Frank out. Frank made a lot of big mistakes and was a big part of why the Spurs made their run. I felt like the momentum swing happened when Payton came out. Frank’s turnovers and fouls were a big part of the Spurs run.

The minute he put him in, i told everyone around me we were going to lose the lead, and we did.

I think frank killed the momentum instantly, and DSJ was also useless, trier looked shock that he even started.

Guess you really are Rainman

He is 100% correct but Peyton needs to rest somewhere. DSJ played so bad it was time to give Frank a shot. He played terrible.

I agree Frank played very bad last night. However I do question the timing of putting him in at that point. I would of put him in after Smith was struggling just for defense. Not saying Frank would of played any better but it was strange to put him in that late in the game.

I agree that it was a tough situation for Frank but he is a pro and he needs to step up.

This is on Fiz. You need to put your players where they can succeed. He basically put Frank in the game where everybody has been more than warmed up and Frank being cold as heck. knicks1248 was right in that I also felt they will lose the lead. He was almost set up to fail.

Elfrid got in foul trouble and Smith was getting cooked. Frank seemed like a logical choice. Just a tough point in the game for Eldridge to have to be taken out vs a tough defensive team that were getting after it.

They need to make a decision on Smith to wait for him to get right. Cuz playing a pulling him while Frank gets sporadic mins won’t work. Either Smith gets those consistent mins or shut him down until he gets on track.

I think Fiz was low on Trier too soon. Him as our PG might not work, but I think he could have offered more than Ellington going down the stretch.

Payton was either gassed or picked up a foul. The knicks made a great run and you can see the momentum about to shift. Payton had to come out. He did his job but he needed a break.

knicks1248 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Nalod wrote:The quick hook on frank was not cool but coach did what he thought he had to do with the team still having a lead.
Still lost to the game. Maybe Frank would have calmed down. His steal and fast break was good, and a no call on the goal tend took it away. Issue was transition after the no call frank was not in position on defense. Defense leads to fast breaks!!! 3 minutes. The last pass was not good as he sent it to a crowd. Randle might have had a part in it as he did not finish coming to the ball. Bad play.
Trier had a few good looks and they were half way down. His defense was pretty bad.
Dennis smith was incredibly bad. He had no lift. Back problems???

I thought he needed to get Frank out. Frank made a lot of big mistakes and was a big part of why the Spurs made their run. I felt like the momentum swing happened when Payton came out. Frank’s turnovers and fouls were a big part of the Spurs run.

The minute he put him in, i told everyone around me we were going to lose the lead, and we did.

I think frank killed the momentum instantly, and DSJ was also useless, trier looked shock that he even started.

Who did you watch the game with?

TPercy wrote:I think Fiz was low on Trier too soon. Him as our PG might not work, but I think he could have offered more than Ellington going down the stretch.

Fiz given guys the quick hook, is going to hurt players more than it will motivate them.

Game 2 of the season will probably result in new starting line up, and if payton come out and has a sub par game, is he going to go with DSJ for game 3.

Ellington is a shooter, but he hasn't gotten the ball in good spots, and barely gets any screens run for him..

IMO Trier look like he didn't know is role in that line up

Yeah, Fizdale's use of his PGs was a little odd. He didn't give Trier/DSJ/Ntilikina second chances to settle in.

Ntilikina had a VERY bad stretch - couldn't do much worse. His lazy telegraphed passes were not good at all - but I think in both instances he picked up his dribble early and put himself in a bad position. Is the NBA released missed calls this season? I'm curious what they'd have to say about that goal tending on Frank's layup. Whether the ball got the ball on the way up or down, the defender also slammed his hand against the backboard before the ball had a chance to clear the basket. That's potential goaltend in 2 ways.

It was clear, however, that the Knicks unit played with the most poise when Elfrid was on the court.

The full court frenetic defense doesn't work when players get tired, so if that's the brand of basketball Fizdale wants, he'll need to find a way to get his other guards on the floor and keep his starters in the low 30 min range so they're able to give max effort.

Hoping that Fizdale learns something from this game.

knicks1248 wrote:

TPercy wrote:I think Fiz was low on Trier too soon. Him as our PG might not work, but I think he could have offered more than Ellington going down the stretch.

Fiz given guys the quick hook, is going to hurt players more than it will motivate them.

Game 2 of the season will probably result in new starting line up, and if payton come out and has a sub par game, is he going to go with DSJ for game 3.

Ellington is a shooter, but he hasn't gotten the ball in good spots, and barely gets any screens run for him..

IMO Trier look like he didn't know is role in that line up

Pop has made a fucking lifelong HOF career doing it

There is a fine line between giving guys a little room for growth and the mistakes that go along with it and lazy, low iq, god-awful basketball that we saw from several players last night.

Dudes gotta step up this year, this isn't last years "growth" year