Knicks · onto a more positive note... Kevin Knox, Mitchell Robinson (page 2)

StarksEwing1 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:I am fan of both these kids. Despite what "certain" people say we have drafted and started to develop some good young players. Knox is still a baby but I love what ive seen from his shooting and his production even off the bench. Next step is his defense. Mitch is probably my first or second favorite right now. Talk about a steal in the 2nd round. Its funny a certain person today said we got NOTHING in the Melo trade lol. anyway when it comes to Mitch obviously he is still raw so he needs to cut down on the fouls and I hope those ankle injuries he has gotten a lot go away as the seasons go on

We basically got a 2nd round pick for melo..Mitch robison, a total project, that may never reach his potential under this regime

The thunder flipped melo a yr later (when is declined was even more evident) for Dennis Schroder and forward Mike Muscala, 2 guys that we could desperately use right now.

If your telling me you prefer frank, DSJ or payton over Dennis Schroder..I would suggest you put down the crack pipe.

Im just glad knox didn't work with keith smart like DSJ did..

You make stuff up bro, and its shit nobody talking about. Atl wanted to dump Schroder. They took Melo's expiring contract and a draft pick. You love garbage players like Burke. The best is you will say Burke is great because PHili signed him and they are competing Who is talking about Dennis Schroder? Atl opted to rebuild rather than keep him around.

If Knox can stay in front of his man he'll be good. I watch him around the ball a lot and he's working hard and getting better. Knox has grown on me. If he keeps shooting well it he's a nice player. His passing and ball handling skills have clearly improved as well. Mitch looks great but both of these guys are gonna take a couple more years

He makes me laugh at this point. He is probably the only Knick fan who think Mitch makes "zero impact" lol. That tells you something

dude was a -24 last night in 18 minutes, that was the worst plus minus of any player in the NBA who played last night...

He has a looong way to go, and he should not be starting with Randle and Marcus, that line up is toooo slow

knicks1248 wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:I am fan of both these kids. Despite what "certain" people say we have drafted and started to develop some good young players. Knox is still a baby but I love what ive seen from his shooting and his production even off the bench. Next step is his defense. Mitch is probably my first or second favorite right now. Talk about a steal in the 2nd round. Its funny a certain person today said we got NOTHING in the Melo trade lol. anyway when it comes to Mitch obviously he is still raw so he needs to cut down on the fouls and I hope those ankle injuries he has gotten a lot go away as the seasons go on

We basically got a 2nd round pick for melo..Mitch robison, a total project, that may never reach his potential under this regime

The thunder flipped melo a yr later (when is declined was even more evident) for Dennis Schroder and forward Mike Muscala, 2 guys that we could desperately use right now.

If your telling me you prefer frank, DSJ or payton over Dennis Schroder..I would suggest you put down the crack pipe.

Im just glad knox didn't work with keith smart like DSJ did..

You make stuff up bro, and its shit nobody talking about. Atl wanted to dump Schroder. They took Melo's expiring contract and a draft pick. You love garbage players like Burke. The best is you will say Burke is great because PHili signed him and they are competing Who is talking about Dennis Schroder? Atl opted to rebuild rather than keep him around.

If Knox can stay in front of his man he'll be good. I watch him around the ball a lot and he's working hard and getting better. Knox has grown on me. If he keeps shooting well it he's a nice player. His passing and ball handling skills have clearly improved as well. Mitch looks great but both of these guys are gonna take a couple more years

He makes me laugh at this point. He is probably the only Knick fan who think Mitch makes "zero impact" lol. That tells you something

dude was a -24 last night in 18 minutes, that was the worst plus minus of any player in the NBA who played last night...

He has a looong way to go, and he should not be starting with Randle and Marcus, that line up is toooo slow

the whole +/- stat is very misleading. He has a impact when he is in there. Last night he had to cover for the other two guys defensively. I agree he isnt a finished product but he is far from a "project". We get it you hate this FO and never give them credit for anything. But nobody else agrees with you so maybe you should reevaluate your stance?

Knicks won the game. Not + or -.
Frank did not score, knicks won the game. Not frank, not Mitch. Knicks.
Knicks are still figuring shyt out with all the new players. Not just Fiz.
You can look at all the peas and carrots one by one or just look at the recipe and know it takes time for it to come together.
More important than Portis hot hand was the clutch passes that Randle made in the paint when he saw the Double coming. Box scores don’t tell clutch or choke.
Just because knicks won don’t mean the problems don’t exist. The Rainman should find his knick balance. Seems like knick win makes you “wrong”? Did you say when Frank came in “Knicks will lose this lead” again to the other people in the room?

StarksEwing1 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:I am fan of both these kids. Despite what "certain" people say we have drafted and started to develop some good young players. Knox is still a baby but I love what ive seen from his shooting and his production even off the bench. Next step is his defense. Mitch is probably my first or second favorite right now. Talk about a steal in the 2nd round. Its funny a certain person today said we got NOTHING in the Melo trade lol. anyway when it comes to Mitch obviously he is still raw so he needs to cut down on the fouls and I hope those ankle injuries he has gotten a lot go away as the seasons go on

We basically got a 2nd round pick for melo..Mitch robison, a total project, that may never reach his potential under this regime

The thunder flipped melo a yr later (when is declined was even more evident) for Dennis Schroder and forward Mike Muscala, 2 guys that we could desperately use right now.

If your telling me you prefer frank, DSJ or payton over Dennis Schroder..I would suggest you put down the crack pipe.

Im just glad knox didn't work with keith smart like DSJ did..

You make stuff up bro, and its shit nobody talking about. Atl wanted to dump Schroder. They took Melo's expiring contract and a draft pick. You love garbage players like Burke. The best is you will say Burke is great because PHili signed him and they are competing Who is talking about Dennis Schroder? Atl opted to rebuild rather than keep him around.

If Knox can stay in front of his man he'll be good. I watch him around the ball a lot and he's working hard and getting better. Knox has grown on me. If he keeps shooting well it he's a nice player. His passing and ball handling skills have clearly improved as well. Mitch looks great but both of these guys are gonna take a couple more years

He makes me laugh at this point. He is probably the only Knick fan who think Mitch makes "zero impact" lol. That tells you something

dude was a -24 last night in 18 minutes, that was the worst plus minus of any player in the NBA who played last night...

He has a looong way to go, and he should not be starting with Randle and Marcus, that line up is toooo slow

the whole +/- stat is very misleading. He has a impact when he is in there. Last night he had to cover for the other two guys defensively. I agree he isnt a finished product but he is far from a "project". We get it you hate this FO and never give them credit for anything. But nobody else agrees with you so maybe you should reevaluate your stance?

Plus minus is misleading when it comes to players you like, if he was a +24 you would make sure to point that out

It's cool though, knick fans overate all of their players not name melo...

I'm not knocking Mitch, he's a solid young pick up, and he's on my 2k roster, but I'm not going to overrate him. I think every role player in the NBA has the potential to be a star if they put in the work, and is put in the right situation.

knicks1248 wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:I am fan of both these kids. Despite what "certain" people say we have drafted and started to develop some good young players. Knox is still a baby but I love what ive seen from his shooting and his production even off the bench. Next step is his defense. Mitch is probably my first or second favorite right now. Talk about a steal in the 2nd round. Its funny a certain person today said we got NOTHING in the Melo trade lol. anyway when it comes to Mitch obviously he is still raw so he needs to cut down on the fouls and I hope those ankle injuries he has gotten a lot go away as the seasons go on

We basically got a 2nd round pick for melo..Mitch robison, a total project, that may never reach his potential under this regime

The thunder flipped melo a yr later (when is declined was even more evident) for Dennis Schroder and forward Mike Muscala, 2 guys that we could desperately use right now.

If your telling me you prefer frank, DSJ or payton over Dennis Schroder..I would suggest you put down the crack pipe.

Im just glad knox didn't work with keith smart like DSJ did..

You make stuff up bro, and its shit nobody talking about. Atl wanted to dump Schroder. They took Melo's expiring contract and a draft pick. You love garbage players like Burke. The best is you will say Burke is great because PHili signed him and they are competing Who is talking about Dennis Schroder? Atl opted to rebuild rather than keep him around.

If Knox can stay in front of his man he'll be good. I watch him around the ball a lot and he's working hard and getting better. Knox has grown on me. If he keeps shooting well it he's a nice player. His passing and ball handling skills have clearly improved as well. Mitch looks great but both of these guys are gonna take a couple more years

He makes me laugh at this point. He is probably the only Knick fan who think Mitch makes "zero impact" lol. That tells you something

dude was a -24 last night in 18 minutes, that was the worst plus minus of any player in the NBA who played last night...

He has a looong way to go, and he should not be starting with Randle and Marcus, that line up is toooo slow

the whole +/- stat is very misleading. He has a impact when he is in there. Last night he had to cover for the other two guys defensively. I agree he isnt a finished product but he is far from a "project". We get it you hate this FO and never give them credit for anything. But nobody else agrees with you so maybe you should reevaluate your stance?

Plus minus is misleading when it comes to players you like, if he was a +24 you would make sure to point that out

It's cool though, knick fans overate all of their players not name melo...

I'm not knocking Mitch, he's a solid young pick up, and he's on my 2k roster, but I'm not going to overrate him. I think every role player in the NBA has the potential to be a star if they put in the work, and is put in the right situation.

Oh stop it. Don't keep stating bullsh^t and Don't start the whole "Underappreciated Melo" stuff again. I never said Mitch was a superstar but he does have an impact on the floor despite all the nonsense you say. His offense has also been improving. Sorry I value defense much more than you but that's what ultimately wins playoff games.

Mitch is number 2 in the league in PER...I'd list more Knicks, but I couldn't find any other names on the first page. Anyone else is free to look.

think about Mitch's free throws from last year to this!!

Or the way KK used to bounce off a defender on any of his drives (he still has room for improvement of course)

Knox has talent, athleticism, nice shooting form, has a great floater and is fluid in movement.

Knox also plays with little energy/hustle, seems almost completely clueless on defense, and doesn't do any of the intangibles.

Knox has a high ceiling but will likely never reach it unless he has a change in mental makeup (or is in a contract year)

He never seemed to learn teamwork, passing, defense and hustling - he was probably so good in college that he just shot and the rest of the team compensated. Last year certainly didn't help as he was allowed to keep chucking and was reinforced with playing time.

At the NBA level and to be a good team - you need guys to play both sides - it's that simple. He's a bench guy unless he wants to start mixing it up. We either need a more disciplined type of coach, Fiz to remember his Riley lessons or Knox won't find his potential unless it's elsewhere.

jskinny35 wrote:Knox has talent, athleticism, nice shooting form, has a great floater and is fluid in movement.

Knox also plays with little energy/hustle, seems almost completely clueless on defense, and doesn't do any of the intangibles.

Knox has a high ceiling but will likely never reach it unless he has a change in mental makeup (or is in a contract year)

He never seemed to learn teamwork, passing, defense and hustling - he was probably so good in college that he just shot and the rest of the team compensated. Last year certainly didn't help as he was allowed to keep chucking and was reinforced with playing time.

At the NBA level and to be a good team - you need guys to play both sides - it's that simple. He's a bench guy unless he wants to start mixing it up. We either need a more disciplined type of coach, Fiz to remember his Riley lessons or Knox won't find his potential unless it's elsewhere.

i think his defense and rebounding have improved. Certainly more work is needed. He's also usually one of the first to dive on the floor for a loose ball along with Frank

Chandler wrote:

jskinny35 wrote:Knox has talent, athleticism, nice shooting form, has a great floater and is fluid in movement.

Knox also plays with little energy/hustle, seems almost completely clueless on defense, and doesn't do any of the intangibles.

Knox has a high ceiling but will likely never reach it unless he has a change in mental makeup (or is in a contract year)

He never seemed to learn teamwork, passing, defense and hustling - he was probably so good in college that he just shot and the rest of the team compensated. Last year certainly didn't help as he was allowed to keep chucking and was reinforced with playing time.

At the NBA level and to be a good team - you need guys to play both sides - it's that simple. He's a bench guy unless he wants to start mixing it up. We either need a more disciplined type of coach, Fiz to remember his Riley lessons or Knox won't find his potential unless it's elsewhere.

i think his defense and rebounding have improved. Certainly more work is needed. He's also usually one of the first to dive on the floor for a loose ball along with Frank

when you go from zero defense to not zero defense, we call that just waking the fuck up, not improved defense

martin wrote:

Chandler wrote:

jskinny35 wrote:Knox has talent, athleticism, nice shooting form, has a great floater and is fluid in movement.

Knox also plays with little energy/hustle, seems almost completely clueless on defense, and doesn't do any of the intangibles.

Knox has a high ceiling but will likely never reach it unless he has a change in mental makeup (or is in a contract year)

He never seemed to learn teamwork, passing, defense and hustling - he was probably so good in college that he just shot and the rest of the team compensated. Last year certainly didn't help as he was allowed to keep chucking and was reinforced with playing time.

At the NBA level and to be a good team - you need guys to play both sides - it's that simple. He's a bench guy unless he wants to start mixing it up. We either need a more disciplined type of coach, Fiz to remember his Riley lessons or Knox won't find his potential unless it's elsewhere.

i think his defense and rebounding have improved. Certainly more work is needed. He's also usually one of the first to dive on the floor for a loose ball along with Frank

when you go from zero defense to not zero defense, we call that just waking the fuck up, not improved defense

The longest journey begins w a single step!

(Kung fu tv show)

MitchRob don't like myself .. don't like the idea of starting me then a few games later, bringing me off the bench. MitchRob wish the coach would have started the season bringing him off the bench.
Knox/DSJ/Dotson/Portis 13 game performance has looked like a project-performance mainly because Fixdale has not FIXED his starter lineup yet!

Kemet wrote:MitchRob don't like myself .. don't like the idea of starting me then a few games later, bringing me off the bench. MitchRob wish the coach would have started the season bringing him off the bench.
Knox/DSJ/Dotson/Portis 13 game performance has looked like a project-performance mainly because Fixdale has not FIXED his starter lineup yet!

Some kind of “low brow Neanderthal” version of paraphrasing what he is thinking?

ON one play last night - the player cut to the basket and KNox just let him go. Did not even TRY to stay with him or block the pass.

Knox should sit until he defends. Tough love time for him. NO play until you defend with 100% effort.

That should be the ONLY thing he talks about in practice and film sessions - oh and that PF's don't handle the ball until its their time.

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:ON one play last night - the player cut to the basket and KNox just let him go. Did not even TRY to stay with him or block the pass.

Knox should sit until he defends. Tough love time for him. NO play until you defend with 100% effort.

That should be the ONLY thing he talks about in practice and film sessions - oh and that PF's don't handle the ball until its their time.

Knox still trying to figure when he should stay or switch on his man.

It not effort nor lazy, these kids "freeze". They are not mentally tough yet or have developed the instinct and are "Thinking". Like frank might be on Offense. When I say "mentally tough" I mean over thinking instead of reacting. Bigdaddy is right.

BigDaddyG wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:ON one play last night - the player cut to the basket and KNox just let him go. Did not even TRY to stay with him or block the pass.

Knox should sit until he defends. Tough love time for him. NO play until you defend with 100% effort.

That should be the ONLY thing he talks about in practice and film sessions - oh and that PF's don't handle the ball until its their time.

Knox still trying to figure when he should stay or switch on his man.

I think Fizz did sit him eventually for poor D

Having said that, I do think KK will come around. He seems to have his head screwed on straight

Chandler wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:ON one play last night - the player cut to the basket and KNox just let him go. Did not even TRY to stay with him or block the pass.

Knox should sit until he defends. Tough love time for him. NO play until you defend with 100% effort.

That should be the ONLY thing he talks about in practice and film sessions - oh and that PF's don't handle the ball until its their time.

Knox still trying to figure when he should stay or switch on his man.

I think Fizz did sit him eventually for poor D

Having said that, I do think KK will come around. He seems to have his head screwed on straight

he did not come back in the game. Fiz is not messing around this year. Knox will get back in the next game.

Both guys are improving. You improve during the off season. I tell my players during the off season, pick something you are weak at and improve on them.

Knox improved on his upper body strength and perimeter shooting. You can see it when he rebounds and his shooting percentage.

Mitch improved on his FT shooting. He looks good and it shows.

These are you guys. Not finished products. 1 had 1 year in college and the other went from HS to working out himself to getting drafted. They are doing well and they will get better

NYKBocker wrote:Both guys are improving. You improve during the off season. I tell my players during the off season, pick something you are weak at and improve on them.

Knox improved on his upper body strength and perimeter shooting. You can see it when he rebounds and his shooting percentage.

Mitch improved on his FT shooting. He looks good and it shows.

These are you guys. Not finished products. 1 had 1 year in college and the other went from HS to working out himself to getting drafted. They are doing well and they will get better

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