I like Fizdale, but based on this years results and what I have seen, it is hard to argue against firing him.
That he hasn't had enough time isn't a really compelling reason.
Curious. MIlls haters will say Mills does this to preserve his job?
Was this Perry's hire?
Has Fiz totally messed up Dennis and Frank? Knicks have a lot of scouts and assistant coaches. If Fiz is a destructive force then he has to go. Does it matter whose fault it is? Of course it is!!! LOL!!!!
Is Fiz getting "Shafted" again??? I know the record is not good, but what don't we know if this report is legit?
franco12 wrote:I like Fizdale, but based on this years results and what I have seen, it is hard to argue against firing him.That he hasn't had enough time isn't a really compelling reason.
Maybe, maybe not. Its a compelling reason but a more compelling question. 12 coaches in 18 years.
If true Knicks must have a hell of a reason to do this with that kind of track record and this early in the season. Is it a panic move or more fundamentally based?
franco12 wrote:I like Fizdale, but based on this years results and what I have seen, it is hard to argue against firing him.That he hasn't had enough time isn't a really compelling reason.
I like Fizdale too and have been rooting for him but he really isn’t a System coach in any form. I understood last year since we were clearly tanking but this year we have let at least 3 games slip away because of bad decisions and having no structure on offense. I’m starting to think that he is simply not a head coach. Might fit best as an assistant again
Nalod wrote:franco12 wrote:I like Fizdale, but based on this years results and what I have seen, it is hard to argue against firing him.That he hasn't had enough time isn't a really compelling reason.
Maybe, maybe not. Its a compelling reason but a more compelling question. 12 coaches in 18 years.
If true Knicks must have a hell of a reason to do this with that kind of track record and this early in the season. Is it a panic move or more fundamentally based?
I don’t know what to believe with Woj’s Knick reporting. He hated Phil that bias always came out in his articles during Phil’s tenure.
It sucks for Fizdale but I don't have a problem with this. The current rotation is slow footed with Morris and Randle but the roster is not. He can relegate either Randle or Morris to the bench and play them at PF. Start Knox or RJ at the 3 spot. Start Trier or Dotson at the 2. Start Mitch at the 5 with Portis and Gibson backing them up. Start Frank and have DSJr back him up.
but NO!!! He has to start Randle and Morris together and play them a lot together with Morris at the 3. Yup. Slow footed.
CrushAlot wrote:Nalod wrote:franco12 wrote:I like Fizdale, but based on this years results and what I have seen, it is hard to argue against firing him.That he hasn't had enough time isn't a really compelling reason.
Maybe, maybe not. Its a compelling reason but a more compelling question. 12 coaches in 18 years.
If true Knicks must have a hell of a reason to do this with that kind of track record and this early in the season. Is it a panic move or more fundamentally based?
I don’t know what to believe with Woj’s Knick reporting. He hated Phil that bias always came out in his articles during Phil’s tenure.
Im in the deductive reasoning camp. If this is true, what can a new coach bring that better damn well improve things beyond an easier schedule and getting players back. What is Fiz doing that he can't change that would cause his dismissal?
CrushAlot wrote:Nalod wrote:franco12 wrote:I like Fizdale, but based on this years results and what I have seen, it is hard to argue against firing him.That he hasn't had enough time isn't a really compelling reason.
Maybe, maybe not. Its a compelling reason but a more compelling question. 12 coaches in 18 years.
If true Knicks must have a hell of a reason to do this with that kind of track record and this early in the season. Is it a panic move or more fundamentally based?
I don’t know what to believe with Woj’s Knick reporting. He hated Phil that bias always came out in his articles during Phil’s tenure.
I'm leary of Woj too. He obviously write with an agenda. That said, he is plugged in. If he says Fix is in the hot seat, it's probably true. It's his conjecture or "sourceless" tie in statements that you have to take with a grain of salt.
Fiz hasn't had enough time orgood enough players but it's hard to see any compelling reason to think things are going to improve under his watch. I think he should still get a decent amount more time -- I mean we're not going to the playoffs. On the other hand are the players getting into bad habits and rhythms with him?
Fiz deserves to be fired
So fire him
If we just fired him, it'd be like ok wow, and then the NBA world would move on quick
By dragging it out with all this drama, we are just welcoming a whole lot of unwanted attention on how weird we are. And that impression will stick, and never be forgotten.
The only person I have ever advocated for the Knicks to fire was Scott Layden. I don't want Fiz to get fired, I want him to make the proper adjustments.
anrst wrote:Fiz deserves to be firedSo fire him
If we just fired him, it'd be like ok wow, and then the NBA world would move on quick
By dragging it out with all this drama, we are just welcoming a whole lot of unwanted attention on how weird we are. And that impression will stick, and never be forgotten.
I agree with this. Very bad look
newyorknewyork wrote:The only person I have ever advocated for the Knicks to fire was Scott Layden. I don't want Fiz to get fired, I want him to make the proper adjustments.
Yeah, but the other side: look at who we brought in to replace Layden. I don't want Fiz to get fired either, but I don't want to see another crazy lineup with Frank at PF, RJ our point guard in the halfcourt and Randle our initiator on the fastbreak.
Its seems as though as Fiz is a likable guy and this is a problem. I don't think he can hold players accountable. They like him and they don't always play hard enough because of that.
Its unreal to me that he complains about ISO and spacing yet continues to play Morris and Randle together! They are the same player!! We don't need both at the same time. Now, this is a FO folly move not necessarily Fiz's fault but he must play the cards dealt to him and he is not doing it right. That is why the press conference yesterday.
I don't like MIlls and I don't like Fiz. I think Perry is OK and I would be OK with him being GM/President. However, I think Fiz is his guy, so that is a worry.
IF Perry is not a fiz guy then I say promtoe hime, fire Mills and FIz and put Mike Malone as head coach. Let him TEACH and run a GD SYSTEM besides Randle bringin up the ball!!!!!!
How many times does Randle have to turn the ball over until Fiz realizes its not working!! OMG!!
Randle or Morris should be on the 2nd unit. I would go with Morris as starter and Randle as a PF off the bench.
The lineup should be:
Frank
RJ
Knox
Morris
Mitch
DSj
Trier
Dotson
Randle
Taj
Let the rest fight for time as needed. Ellington can play if Trier or Dotson are off. Iggy should play if all 3 above are off.
WHere is Portis? Well, until he learns how to use that 7' wing span for Defense, he should sit. Yes, his play in the 2 wins was crucial but the same could be said for the 7 losses. Taj should play more than Portis always.
GoNyGoNyGo wrote:Its seems as though as Fiz is a likable guy and this is a problem. I don't think he can hold players accountable. They like him and they don't always play hard enough because of that. Its unreal to me that he complains about ISO and spacing yet continues to play Morris and Randle together! They are the same player!! We don't need both at the same time. Now, this is a FO folly move not necessarily Fiz's fault but he must play the cards dealt to him and he is not doing it right. That is why the press conference yesterday.
I don't like MIlls and I don't like Fiz. I think Perry is OK and I would be OK with him being GM/President. However, I think Fiz is his guy, so that is a worry.
IF Perry is not a fiz guy then I say promtoe hime, fire Mills and FIz and put Mike Malone as head coach. Let him TEACH and run a GD SYSTEM besides Randle bringin up the ball!!!!!!
How many times does Randle have to turn the ball over until Fiz realizes its not working!! OMG!!
Randle or Morris should be on the 2nd unit. I would go with Morris as starter and Randle as a PF off the bench.
The lineup should be:
Frank
RJ
Knox
Morris
Mitch
DSj
Trier
Dotson
Randle
Taj
Let the rest fight for time as needed. Ellington can play if Trier or Dotson are off. Iggy should play if all 3 above are off.
WHere is Portis? Well, until he learns how to use that 7' wing span for Defense, he should sit. Yes, his play in the 2 wins was crucial but the same could be said for the 7 losses. Taj should play more than Portis always.
I agree about the lineup. Keep Morris in there who can spread the floor and play better D than Randle. Let Randle loose on second units and he should tear it up and get some mojo back. Knox is the ideal 3 as a floor spacer between Barrett and Morris.
The worst organization in all of sports. What coach would come to this team, knowing they'll just be fired in a few years, is beyond me.
Anybody hear Woj on the Michael Kay show? If yes, anything noteworthy?
OK - they fire Fiz...
Or all 3 brothers will be fired by Dolan.
Then what?
The bunch or raw mismatched pieces we have on the roster will suddenly became a world beaters.
Why suddenly fans and all have expectations set so high on this thing?
They cannot win much and will not no matter who will coach or be in the FO.
So what the point?
Once Fiz is fired....everybody on the outside looking in will have 2 words...."Dumpster fire"
Shameless stuff by mills- he chose not to hire Bud (catastrophic mistake), opted for Fiz and assembled a roster that everyone knew in the off-season didn't fit together. Now they sacrifice him to save their own hides.
