Knicks · Mitchell Robinson has to stop committing stupid fouls if he wants more playing time? (page 1)

Don't get me wrong i love mitch robinson but man he commits to many stupid fouls on daily bases and its obvious stupid fouls like shoving iman shupert last night he didn't have to do that. Even clyde fraizer and mike breen even said during broadcast last night he has to stop committing these stupid fouls and its not touch fouls, its obvious fouls like grabbing, shoving, and smacking people he has to stop doing it. Its not coach fizdale stop mitch robinson becoming a good player its mitch robinson stop himself becoming a good player with stupid fouls.

He should probably go to the GLeague to get playing time there to figure it out, it'll build his non-fouling confidence

Mitch is a second year player that didn’t play after high school. This is something he will keep working at and suddenly the light bulb will turn on.

martin wrote:He should probably go to the GLeague to get playing time there to figure it out, it'll build his non-fouling confidence

Can we send Randle too to build his ball-handling confidence. Maybe Fiz too, so he can build his end of the game management confidence. I hope Allan Houston has built all the GM confidence he needs so he step in soon.

Mitch robinson has fouled out last 3 out 4 games nets,sixers, and celtics game not good . Mitch robinson played 19 minutes against nets, 29 minutes against sixers, and 20 minutes against celtics last night. Mitch robinson has to stop committing stupid fouls he is his on worst enemy not fizdale.

If we bench him then "He is in the doghouse and Fiz punishing/not developing".
Or,
Bring him off the bench and let him foul the phuch out. He will get it. Welcome to developing thru the draft. Its a long process.
At some point you make trades, but you need chips to trade.

He has open 15 footers. I don't care about hoisting 3pters in the summer, He has to hit that shot!!! First he has to take it. We to assume we know more than the 12 coaches and hours of video?

I know Clyde and Breen put ideas in our heads and no doubt know more than most of us. Clyde tells us what happened. He can tell us what they need to do. Doing it and how is the hard part. When fans say "They should let clyde talk to these guys".........Its not like they are not being told or coached. If you played a sport you know what you do wrong, its doing it the right way INSTINCTIVELY THAT MATTERS. For a guy like Mitch who is still raw, that does not happen over night.
This kid has a great upside which is why he was drafted and is playing in the NBA, not the Gleague.

man, I watch Mitch and see that he was a looooonnnggg way to go. So many fundamentals that are just not there.

Even when he is running back on D he is completely oblivious of what is going on behind him until he fully turns around, head is always looking where he is running and he has no idea about court awareness.

martin wrote:man, I watch Mitch and see that he was a looooonnnggg way to go. So many fundamentals that are just not there.

Even when he is running back on D he is completely oblivious of what is going on behind him until he fully turns around, head is always looking where he is running and he has no idea about court awareness.

This kid was so obviously athletically advanced in highschool one can imagine his dominance at that level.
Why he did not get to college is not known. Its reported he is a smart kid, so was it academics?, Disinterested in academics? Projected he'd go first round so why mess it up in a year in college? Thought he'd go higher? Its all kind of bizarre circumstances.
Its one thing to play pick up and learn fundamentals, its another to play the game in front of 20,000! Why was he not recruited for top schools? Duke, Kentucky, Etc?

martin wrote:man, I watch Mitch and see that he was a looooonnnggg way to go. So many fundamentals that are just not there.

Even when he is running back on D he is completely oblivious of what is going on behind him until he fully turns around, head is always looking where he is running and he has no idea about court awareness.

I just want him to set a pick correctly for once.

I believe they said he fouled out 7 straight games.

If Kevin Knox got benched for not playing defense, then at some point, Fizdale has to send a message. I'd bench him for the game once he picked up his 5th foul. And I'd tell him that before the game.

And then I'd push the fouls he would be allowed back to 4 and then 3. And if his minutes don't go up, he sits.

franco12 wrote:I believe they said he fouled out 7 straight games.

If Kevin Knox got benched for not playing defense, then at some point, Fizdale has to send a message. I'd bench him for the game once he picked up his 5th foul. And I'd tell him that before the game.

And then I'd push the fouls he would be allowed back to 4 and then 3. And if his minutes don't go up, he sits.

Don't see how benching him sends more of a message than actually fouling out?

Think we should just keep working with him and keep him in there so he learns how to set a proper pick? Which is the one area I think he needs to clean up. The concept of giving "Time Outs" to grown men in order to learn is just not well served except for frustrated fans.

Nalod wrote:

martin wrote:man, I watch Mitch and see that he was a looooonnnggg way to go. So many fundamentals that are just not there.

Even when he is running back on D he is completely oblivious of what is going on behind him until he fully turns around, head is always looking where he is running and he has no idea about court awareness.

This kid was so obviously athletically advanced in highschool one can imagine his dominance at that level.
Why he did not get to college is not known. Its reported he is a smart kid, so was it academics?, Disinterested in academics? Projected he'd go first round so why mess it up in a year in college? Thought he'd go higher? Its all kind of bizarre circumstances.
Its one thing to play pick up and learn fundamentals, its another to play the game in front of 20,000! Why was he not recruited for top schools? Duke, Kentucky, Etc?

He's playing exactly how I saw him at the gym, before the draft. But when you are 7ft tall, and the average player in the gym is 6'2 he will dominate on pure natural physical tools. In the NBA, you need more than that. This might be the reason why he decided not to go to college. I think he would've learned a lot, but also would've expose a lot. I'm guessing his agent thought he would get drafted much higher on potential, than on college stats. Just my guess.

When I talked to him, very briefly, he appears to be very book smart and has interest outside of basktball. I think I asked him what would you do, if you didn't play ball.

He's not like us or most NY fans who grew up playing basketball in the park. Basketball, even in my 40s, is still my top exercise. For him, he was just blessed with height and forced to play this game. It's hard to tell if he would eventually develop the passion needed to be a starting caliber NBA center.

For the right price, I would trade him. Otherwise, I would temper my expectations. See him in a backup role. And hope he's not the only 7fter on the team after the trade deadline or prior to next season. Our wins and loses are impacted on whether he fouls out, thats not a good team. He's should be behind other veteran centers.....and I'm not talking about undersized PF's, which is what we have. But a legit center, like we had last year in D.Jordan

The G league will only cause him to use more of his physical tools, and less basketball IQ type moves. He needs to learn the NBA speed and NBA center tendencies to help his growth. But this is just my opinion....I could be wrong.

Gibson is a great mentor for the younger players, but I wish we could have managed to keep Jordan. He was doing a good job showing Mitch the ropes. Their games are similar. Mitch has to stop putting mustard on his screens with that extra bit of contact after planting himself. That shouldnt be too hard to fix. Also has to do a better job of not buying fakes.

No face up jumper is also going to get him pine time. All that talk about him practicing 3's and jumpers.

How many times have you seen him wide open around the FT line, there's not a defender within 8 feet of him, and he gives the ball up to someone heavily guarded..

He's also shooting FT at a 59% clip, I rather have Kornet

knicks1248 wrote:No face up jumper is also going to get him pine time. All that talk about him practicing 3's and jumpers.

How many times have you seen him wide open around the FT line, there's not a defender within 8 feet of him, and he gives the ball up to someone heavily guarded..

He's also shooting FT at a 59% clip, I rather have Kornet

Kornet was toll but not athletic. We need both.
Mitch has all the tools but very little skills.
He is over his head with close to the basket stuff and you want him to try everything?
Big man with his defensive instincts and rim protection skills takes more time to develop but it is incredible asset in NBA.
Even as it is NBA teams will have a bidding war to get him.
This gift of luck for nothing not coming around so often.
And you still want something else.
Can you learn to appreciate what you have and be happy instead of always crave for something you do not have and stay miserable all the time?

Mitch is in his second year and, despite what you're seeing from Luka and Trae, it's common for players to go through a sophomore slump. I haven't been that alarmed. No doubt, he needs to pick it up. But all of this are things that can improve with experience. At least Fix isn't experimenting with him as a point center.

BigDaddyG wrote:Mitch is in his second year and, despite what you're seeing from Luka and Trae, it's common for players to go through a sophomore slump. I haven't been that alarmed. No doubt, he needs to pick it up. But all of this are things that can improve with experience. At least Fix isn't experimenting with him as a point center.

Fiz has a long game with young players.
And for now I see it working just fine.
All our picks are progressing at reasonable pace.
Every project needs time to play out.

martin wrote:man, I watch Mitch and see that he was a looooonnnggg way to go. So many fundamentals that are just not there.

Even when he is running back on D he is completely oblivious of what is going on behind him until he fully turns around, head is always looking where he is running and he has no idea about court awareness.

Agree

I was hoping he would turn out to be the next M. Camby but he is looking more like the next J.Mcgee.

I'll be honest.. I love Robinson as a prospect and think he's our best one. If push comes to shove though, I would draft Wiseman and trade Robinson. He is just so raw. I feel like he has to play behind someone like DeAndre Jordan for a while to learn the ropes. Oh wait

SupremeCommander wrote:I'll be honest.. I love Robinson as a prospect and think he's our best one. If push comes to shove though, I would draft Wiseman and trade Robinson. He is just so raw. I feel like he has to play behind someone like DeAndre Jordan for a while to learn the ropes. Oh wait

Right now he is playing behind Taj, and it seems to me the things he needs to learn are in his head

SupremeCommander wrote:I'll be honest.. I love Robinson as a prospect and think he's our best one. If push comes to shove though, I would draft Wiseman and trade Robinson. He is just so raw. I feel like he has to play behind someone like DeAndre Jordan for a while to learn the ropes. Oh wait

Y would you need to trade Robinson If Wiseman was drafted? Having him be a backup until he forces the Knicks hand with his play would be more ideal. He has a dirt cheap contract as well.