NYKBocker wrote:knicks1248 wrote:fitzfarm wrote:I think Miller is going to give Payton starter minutes, and ease him into the starting lineup...I hope frank is taking notes from Payton, when you attack the basket it opens up the whole floor. Payton is a stud, hes always been on the cusp of breaking out, then gets the injury bug. Lets hope he can stay healthy.
We are wasting our time with him in the starting line up..Frank will get mills fired (leading the team in minus the last few games)
Payton will at least give them HOPE
Frank must have done something really bad to you to have so much hate for him. Yeesh.
Wait a minute I thought 1248 “liked” Frank 😂
franco12 wrote:knicks1248 wrote:fitzfarm wrote:I think Miller is going to give Payton starter minutes, and ease him into the starting lineup...I hope frank is taking notes from Payton, when you attack the basket it opens up the whole floor. Payton is a stud, he’s always been on the cusp of breaking out, then gets the injury bug. Let’s hope he can stay healthy.
We are wasting our time with him in the starting line up..
Frank will get mills fired (leading the team in minus the last few games)
Payton will at least give them HOPE
lets over play payton so he gets hurt again and then we can be assured of really losing games. None of this managing thing.
It might be worth giving Kadeem some run. He is a Miller guy and was ready for the moment when he got minutes last year. The only reason I didn't like the Elf signing was because I thought Kadeem was going to be the back up this year.
NYKBocker wrote:knicks1248 wrote:fitzfarm wrote:I think Miller is going to give Payton starter minutes, and ease him into the starting lineup...I hope frank is taking notes from Payton, when you attack the basket it opens up the whole floor. Payton is a stud, hes always been on the cusp of breaking out, then gets the injury bug. Lets hope he can stay healthy.
We are wasting our time with him in the starting line up..Frank will get mills fired (leading the team in minus the last few games)
Payton will at least give them HOPE
Frank must have done something really bad to you to have so much hate for him. Yeesh.
I know. He's even worried about Perry and Mills not having job security. If Frank got Fiz fired, then that's a good thing. Maybe Frank's mojo will work up the food chain and lead to Dolan selling the team. Maybe it will lead to Natasha divorcing Fix and coming back to New York. Heck, it may even lead to Martin caving in a paying Scorebot a liveable wage. I thought slavery ended after the Civil War Martin!
CrushAlot wrote:franco12 wrote:knicks1248 wrote:fitzfarm wrote:I think Miller is going to give Payton starter minutes, and ease him into the starting lineup...I hope frank is taking notes from Payton, when you attack the basket it opens up the whole floor. Payton is a stud, he’s always been on the cusp of breaking out, then gets the injury bug. Let’s hope he can stay healthy.
We are wasting our time with him in the starting line up..
Frank will get mills fired (leading the team in minus the last few games)
Payton will at least give them HOPE
lets over play payton so he gets hurt again and then we can be assured of really losing games. None of this managing thing.
It might be worth giving Kadeem some run. He is a Miller guy and was ready for the moment when he got minutes last year. The only reason I didn't like the Elf signing was because I thought Kadeem was going to be the back up this year.
I'm all for giving Kadeem a chance - heck, bring anyone in to try them out. DSjr not looking good, Frank looking very limited.
StarksEwing1 wrote:NYKBocker wrote:knicks1248 wrote:fitzfarm wrote:I think Miller is going to give Payton starter minutes, and ease him into the starting lineup...I hope frank is taking notes from Payton, when you attack the basket it opens up the whole floor. Payton is a stud, hes always been on the cusp of breaking out, then gets the injury bug. Lets hope he can stay healthy.
We are wasting our time with him in the starting line up..Frank will get mills fired (leading the team in minus the last few games)
Payton will at least give them HOPE
Frank must have done something really bad to you to have so much hate for him. Yeesh.
Wait a minute I thought 1248 “liked” Frank 😂
Just want a few minutes..
StarksEwing1 wrote:NYKBocker wrote:knicks1248 wrote:fitzfarm wrote:I think Miller is going to give Payton starter minutes, and ease him into the starting lineup...I hope frank is taking notes from Payton, when you attack the basket it opens up the whole floor. Payton is a stud, hes always been on the cusp of breaking out, then gets the injury bug. Lets hope he can stay healthy.
We are wasting our time with him in the starting line up..Frank will get mills fired (leading the team in minus the last few games)
Payton will at least give them HOPE
Frank must have done something really bad to you to have so much hate for him. Yeesh.
Wait a minute I thought 1248 “liked” Frank 😂
I love my beautiful girl friend, but that does mean I want her playing PG for the knicks
knicks1248 wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:NYKBocker wrote:knicks1248 wrote:fitzfarm wrote:I think Miller is going to give Payton starter minutes, and ease him into the starting lineup...I hope frank is taking notes from Payton, when you attack the basket it opens up the whole floor. Payton is a stud, hes always been on the cusp of breaking out, then gets the injury bug. Lets hope he can stay healthy.
We are wasting our time with him in the starting line up..Frank will get mills fired (leading the team in minus the last few games)
Payton will at least give them HOPE
Frank must have done something really bad to you to have so much hate for him. Yeesh.
Wait a minute I thought 1248 "liked" Frank
I love my beautiful girl friend, but that does mean I want her playing PG for the knicks
What does that mean? The vitriol you send towards Frank is both comical and scary. I don't get it. That must take a lot of energy to hate somebody that much.
SupremeCommander wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:NYKBocker wrote:knicks1248 wrote:fitzfarm wrote:I think Miller is going to give Payton starter minutes, and ease him into the starting lineup...I hope frank is taking notes from Payton, when you attack the basket it opens up the whole floor. Payton is a stud, hes always been on the cusp of breaking out, then gets the injury bug. Lets hope he can stay healthy.
We are wasting our time with him in the starting line up..Frank will get mills fired (leading the team in minus the last few games)
Payton will at least give them HOPE
Frank must have done something really bad to you to have so much hate for him. Yeesh.
Wait a minute I thought 1248 “liked” Frank 😂
Just want a few minutes..
What a surprise. Fans changing the narrative on replacing a player every two games.
Frank has played better this year. Still just a kid. Do not see the rush to unload young 21 and under draft picks. The book on Frank, Smith, Knox, Trier, Barret etc can only start to be written after 5 years in the NBA. Anything else is just bullshit fan over reaction. Its early but Payton is showing the importance of giving guys some time.
Lets focus on what we are going to do with some of our over paid under achieving FA's.
shinmen wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Knixkik wrote:He can be a really solid backup PG. until Payton gets his wind we have no other options. We badly need to get this right during the draft. A lot of PGs available.
I'm not so sure he's even a back up, his numbers are worse than any guard in the NBA playing his minutes. Some of his back breaking TO's are god awful, and changes the momentum big time.
I disagree. When you watch the game, you can see he has a positive impact on the game despite his stats. Granted, he had an awful game against the warriors. Usually, even if he's not the slash and kick type, he makes simple passes that gives a flow to our offense and his PnR is quite good. I wouldn't mind him coming off the bench provided he plays enough minutes. I reckon that when (if) we have a more talented roster, his impact will rise even more.
Frank is useful but he is in no shape way or form a lead guard. Hit an open shot and defend thats all he has to do. After winning the last 2 games I am now concerned we will once again strike out on the guard we need to finally end this BS. Once again we will end up with a bum like Knox instead of the talent we need
HofstraBBall wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:NYKBocker wrote:knicks1248 wrote:fitzfarm wrote:I think Miller is going to give Payton starter minutes, and ease him into the starting lineup...I hope frank is taking notes from Payton, when you attack the basket it opens up the whole floor. Payton is a stud, hes always been on the cusp of breaking out, then gets the injury bug. Lets hope he can stay healthy.
We are wasting our time with him in the starting line up..Frank will get mills fired (leading the team in minus the last few games)
Payton will at least give them HOPE
Frank must have done something really bad to you to have so much hate for him. Yeesh.
Wait a minute I thought 1248 “liked” Frank 😂
Just want a few minutes..
What a surprise. Fans changing the narrative on replacing a player every two games.
Frank has played better this year. Still just a kid. Do not see the rush to unload young 21 and under draft picks. The book on Frank, Smith, Knox, Trier, Barret etc can only start to be written after 5 years in the NBA. Anything else is just bullshit fan over reaction. Its early but Payton is showing the importance of giving guys some time.
Lets focus on what we are going to do with some of our over paid under achieving FA's.
The roster is under achieving as a whole because of the point guard situation, more minutes for frank has resulted in more losses than last season.
Those under achieving FA don't look so bad when Payton is running the show
fitzfarm wrote:I think Miller is going to give Payton starter minutes, and ease him into the starting lineup...I hope frank is taking notes from Payton, when you attack the basket it opens up the whole floor. Payton is a stud, he’s always been on the cusp of breaking out, then gets the injury bug. Let’s hope he can stay healthy.
A Stud? Seriously? He is comptenet that is all. He is a bad starter/good backup he will never be lead guard on a championship level team.
knicks1248 wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:NYKBocker wrote:knicks1248 wrote:fitzfarm wrote:I think Miller is going to give Payton starter minutes, and ease him into the starting lineup...I hope frank is taking notes from Payton, when you attack the basket it opens up the whole floor. Payton is a stud, hes always been on the cusp of breaking out, then gets the injury bug. Lets hope he can stay healthy.
We are wasting our time with him in the starting line up..Frank will get mills fired (leading the team in minus the last few games)
Payton will at least give them HOPE
Frank must have done something really bad to you to have so much hate for him. Yeesh.
Wait a minute I thought 1248 “liked” Frank 😂
Just want a few minutes..
What a surprise. Fans changing the narrative on replacing a player every two games.
Frank has played better this year. Still just a kid. Do not see the rush to unload young 21 and under draft picks. The book on Frank, Smith, Knox, Trier, Barret etc can only start to be written after 5 years in the NBA. Anything else is just bullshit fan over reaction. Its early but Payton is showing the importance of giving guys some time.
Lets focus on what we are going to do with some of our over paid under achieving FA's.
The roster is under achieving as a whole because of the point guard situation, more minutes for frank has resulted in more losses than last season.
Those under achieving FA don't look so bad when Payton is running the show
this is the most simplistic and dumbest take I've heard since your last one, which wasn't too long ago
martin wrote:knicks1248 wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:NYKBocker wrote:knicks1248 wrote:fitzfarm wrote:I think Miller is going to give Payton starter minutes, and ease him into the starting lineup...I hope frank is taking notes from Payton, when you attack the basket it opens up the whole floor. Payton is a stud, hes always been on the cusp of breaking out, then gets the injury bug. Lets hope he can stay healthy.
We are wasting our time with him in the starting line up..Frank will get mills fired (leading the team in minus the last few games)
Payton will at least give them HOPE
Frank must have done something really bad to you to have so much hate for him. Yeesh.
Wait a minute I thought 1248 “liked” Frank 😂
Just want a few minutes..
What a surprise. Fans changing the narrative on replacing a player every two games.
Frank has played better this year. Still just a kid. Do not see the rush to unload young 21 and under draft picks. The book on Frank, Smith, Knox, Trier, Barret etc can only start to be written after 5 years in the NBA. Anything else is just bullshit fan over reaction. Its early but Payton is showing the importance of giving guys some time.
Lets focus on what we are going to do with some of our over paid under achieving FA's.
The roster is under achieving as a whole because of the point guard situation, more minutes for frank has resulted in more losses than last season.
Those under achieving FA don't look so bad when Payton is running the show
this is the most simplistic and dumbest take I've heard since your last one, which wasn't too long ago
I know its tough for you to understand simple logic.
knicks1248 wrote:martin wrote:knicks1248 wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:NYKBocker wrote:knicks1248 wrote:fitzfarm wrote:I think Miller is going to give Payton starter minutes, and ease him into the starting lineup...I hope frank is taking notes from Payton, when you attack the basket it opens up the whole floor. Payton is a stud, hes always been on the cusp of breaking out, then gets the injury bug. Lets hope he can stay healthy.
We are wasting our time with him in the starting line up..Frank will get mills fired (leading the team in minus the last few games)
Payton will at least give them HOPE
Frank must have done something really bad to you to have so much hate for him. Yeesh.
Wait a minute I thought 1248 “liked” Frank 😂
Just want a few minutes..
What a surprise. Fans changing the narrative on replacing a player every two games.
Frank has played better this year. Still just a kid. Do not see the rush to unload young 21 and under draft picks. The book on Frank, Smith, Knox, Trier, Barret etc can only start to be written after 5 years in the NBA. Anything else is just bullshit fan over reaction. Its early but Payton is showing the importance of giving guys some time.
Lets focus on what we are going to do with some of our over paid under achieving FA's.
The roster is under achieving as a whole because of the point guard situation, more minutes for frank has resulted in more losses than last season.
Those under achieving FA don't look so bad when Payton is running the show
this is the most simplistic and dumbest take I've heard since your last one, which wasn't too long ago
I know its tough for you to understand simple logic.
Your simple logic is well understood by everybody.
Everyone see that it is too simplistic to explain anything. 
ANy simple logic to Franks game last night? I saw his box score which looked good and two high lights on a dunk and pass into paint. I did not see the game last night. Can anyone offer a quick comment to how he played and if they did anything different?
Nalod wrote:ANy simple logic to Franks game last night? I saw his box score which looked good and two high lights on a dunk and pass into paint. I did not see the game last night. Can anyone offer a quick comment to how he played and if they did anything different?
He was fully engaged offensively in the 1st half. He was looking for his shot and setting up people. He took what was given. Defensively he was awesome again. Deflections, steals, pressuring the ball. He is top tier in defense. However, he tried to take a charge and he bounced his head on the floor. Hard. Miller was actually riding him before it happened. He took RJ out for Payton instead of Frank where Frank was the PG. They looked good together.
After the bump, he reverted back to not looking for his shot. However, he was the PG that was in when they made the rally. Miller went with Payton though in the last 5 min of the game.
Nalod wrote:ANy simple logic to Franks game last night? I saw his box score which looked good and two high lights on a dunk and pass into paint. I did not see the game last night. Can anyone offer a quick comment to how he played and if they did anything different?
he took his confidence Vitamins, was more aggressive (you know the games you see and wonder why they are so far and in between) and he had one of the sweetest pick & roll passes to Taj i have seen all season from any player in the league. Makes you scratch your head, like this can't be the norm
NYKBocker wrote:Nalod wrote:ANy simple logic to Franks game last night? I saw his box score which looked good and two high lights on a dunk and pass into paint. I did not see the game last night. Can anyone offer a quick comment to how he played and if they did anything different?
He was fully engaged offensively in the 1st half. He was looking for his shot and setting up people. He took what was given. Defensively he was awesome again. Deflections, steals, pressuring the ball. He is top tier in defense. However, he tried to take a charge and he bounced his head on the floor. Hard. Miller was actually riding him before it happened. He took RJ out for Payton instead of Frank where Frank was the PG. They looked good together.After the bump, he reverted back to not looking for his shot. However, he was the PG that was in when they made the rally. Miller went with Payton though in the last 5 min of the game.
I didn't see the whole game, but I caught the part of the game where Frank sparked the rally for them to come back. He looked like an 8th pick in an NBA draft.
Hopefully he can sustain the play.
Last night was one of those games where you think- hey maybe this kid can become something legit.
Fizdale's knicks lose this game by 20.
NYKBocker wrote:Nalod wrote:ANy simple logic to Franks game last night? I saw his box score which looked good and two high lights on a dunk and pass into paint. I did not see the game last night. Can anyone offer a quick comment to how he played and if they did anything different?
He was fully engaged offensively in the 1st half. He was looking for his shot and setting up people. He took what was given. Defensively he was awesome again. Deflections, steals, pressuring the ball. He is top tier in defense. However, he tried to take a charge and he bounced his head on the floor. Hard. Miller was actually riding him before it happened. He took RJ out for Payton instead of Frank where Frank was the PG. They looked good together.After the bump, he reverted back to not looking for his shot. However, he was the PG that was in when they made the rally. Miller went with Payton though in the last 5 min of the game.
Thanks for the write up. Got wasted after the Giants game and missed it 
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Have been waiting to see Frank paired up with another PG.
knicks1248 wrote:Nalod wrote:ANy simple logic to Franks game last night? I saw his box score which looked good and two high lights on a dunk and pass into paint. I did not see the game last night. Can anyone offer a quick comment to how he played and if they did anything different?
he took his confidence Vitamins, was more aggressive (you know the games you see and wonder why they are so far and in between) and he had one of the sweetest pick & roll passes to Taj i have seen all season from any player in the league. Makes you scratch your head, like this can't be the norm
The last bit of hope is that he was adjusting to Miller and was heisitant because of it. But Miller is coaching him up and he is getting more comfortable.
But there is a very very strong possibility he is an enigma
