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I think adding them both would make this a solid team overall. DSJ seems done with this team and his so-called new shot looks like trash. Don't feel great about Gibson nor Portis long term, so either could go. Not big on Knox so far.
NYStateOfMind wrote:Thoughts on trading for Markieff Morris &/or Isaiah Thomas. What would it take?I think adding them both would make this a solid team overall. DSJ seems done with this team and his so-called new shot looks like trash. Don't feel great about Gibson nor Portis long term, so either could go. Not big on Knox so far.
Think I read on Knicks Fan TV twitter that the Clippers are interested in Morris and would offer this years 1st rounder, plus the expirings of Moe Harkless (Whiteside i think you might be able to trade for second rounder or something) and Patterson. I'd be fine with that
NYStateOfMind wrote:Thoughts on trading for Markieff Morris &/or Isaiah Thomas. What would it take?I think adding them both would make this a solid team overall. DSJ seems done with this team and his so-called new shot looks like trash. Don't feel great about Gibson nor Portis long term, so either could go. Not big on Knox so far.
Believe we have more important needs. Like guards off the bench who can drain a 3. Ellington has not worked out. As disappointed in Smith jr's performance this season as anyone. My concern with trading DSJr is the lack of scoring from the PG position. Frank had a nice scoring game vs. Denver but we havent jumped out to early leads with him running the point. We've tried to keep pace for the most part.
If we do trade DSJr, we need do bring in a starting PG who can score. Thomas would bring some excitement, but I would be concerned about D, and reliability. If they want to move Smith jr. benching him wont help raise his trade value. Miller might be trying to send a message to Dennis. If he is, we'll see how Smith jr responds. Probably his last chance in NY.
There is no clarity with the roster.
Markieff and Isaiah are another pair of stop-gaps.
So what the point - win 5 more games? Who cares?
arkrud wrote:I would wait until the dead line in February.
There is no clarity with the roster.
Markieff and Isaiah are another pair of stop-gaps.
So what the point - win 5 more games? Who cares?
Picking up those 2 plus dumping dead weight or redundant personnel makes for more than 5 games IMO. A true PG who can score and a PF with Marcus toughness. If the Morris brothers play with that passion every night, I think they can be longer-term guys. Isaiah might be short term I agree, but gets assists and puts in buckets.
smackeddog wrote:NYStateOfMind wrote:Thoughts on trading for Markieff Morris &/or Isaiah Thomas. What would it take?I think adding them both would make this a solid team overall. DSJ seems done with this team and his so-called new shot looks like trash. Don't feel great about Gibson nor Portis long term, so either could go. Not big on Knox so far.
Think I read on Knicks Fan TV twitter that the Clippers are interested in Morris and would offer this years 1st rounder, plus the expirings of Moe Harkless (Whiteside i think you might be able to trade for second rounder or something) and Patterson. I'd be fine with that
They have first to give?
newyorknewyork wrote:smackeddog wrote:NYStateOfMind wrote:Thoughts on trading for Markieff Morris &/or Isaiah Thomas. What would it take?I think adding them both would make this a solid team overall. DSJ seems done with this team and his so-called new shot looks like trash. Don't feel great about Gibson nor Portis long term, so either could go. Not big on Knox so far.
Think I read on Knicks Fan TV twitter that the Clippers are interested in Morris and would offer this years 1st rounder, plus the expirings of Moe Harkless (Whiteside i think you might be able to trade for second rounder or something) and Patterson. I'd be fine with that
They have first to give?
Apparently they can trade this years only.
smackeddog wrote:NYStateOfMind wrote:Thoughts on trading for Markieff Morris &/or Isaiah Thomas. What would it take?I think adding them both would make this a solid team overall. DSJ seems done with this team and his so-called new shot looks like trash. Don't feel great about Gibson nor Portis long term, so either could go. Not big on Knox so far.
Think I read on Knicks Fan TV twitter that the Clippers are interested in Morris and would offer this years 1st rounder, plus the expirings of Moe Harkless (Whiteside i think you might be able to trade for second rounder or something) and Patterson. I'd be fine with that
For Markieff or Marcus?
NYStateOfMind wrote:smackeddog wrote:NYStateOfMind wrote:Thoughts on trading for Markieff Morris &/or Isaiah Thomas. What would it take?I think adding them both would make this a solid team overall. DSJ seems done with this team and his so-called new shot looks like trash. Don't feel great about Gibson nor Portis long term, so either could go. Not big on Knox so far.
Think I read on Knicks Fan TV twitter that the Clippers are interested in Morris and would offer this years 1st rounder, plus the expirings of Moe Harkless (Whiteside i think you might be able to trade for second rounder or something) and Patterson. I'd be fine with that
For Markieff or Marcus?
Sorry, I misread NYState of mind's post!- Clippers are reportedly interested in Marcus Morris - they originally thought he was signing a three year deal with them in the offseason, before he went for the Spurs and then came to us.
smackeddog wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:smackeddog wrote:NYStateOfMind wrote:Thoughts on trading for Markieff Morris &/or Isaiah Thomas. What would it take?I think adding them both would make this a solid team overall. DSJ seems done with this team and his so-called new shot looks like trash. Don't feel great about Gibson nor Portis long term, so either could go. Not big on Knox so far.
Think I read on Knicks Fan TV twitter that the Clippers are interested in Morris and would offer this years 1st rounder, plus the expirings of Moe Harkless (Whiteside i think you might be able to trade for second rounder or something) and Patterson. I'd be fine with that
They have first to give?
Apparently they can trade this years only.
The pick is going to be between 25-30. Harkless is averaging 5.9pts per game to Morris 18.7. But of course they will want Morris due to his elite catch and shooting ability, as well as willingness to play defense and toughness. They will need to give up Shamet in the deal.
But do we really want to trade Morris? If Knox was breaking out. Then moving Morris would make more sense as you would want to give Knox those mins and would want to get something in return for Morris before he left as a FA. But we can't depend on Knox, and we can't depend on any upcoming FAs.
newyorknewyork wrote:smackeddog wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:smackeddog wrote:NYStateOfMind wrote:Thoughts on trading for Markieff Morris &/or Isaiah Thomas. What would it take?I think adding them both would make this a solid team overall. DSJ seems done with this team and his so-called new shot looks like trash. Don't feel great about Gibson nor Portis long term, so either could go. Not big on Knox so far.
Think I read on Knicks Fan TV twitter that the Clippers are interested in Morris and would offer this years 1st rounder, plus the expirings of Moe Harkless (Whiteside i think you might be able to trade for second rounder or something) and Patterson. I'd be fine with that
They have first to give?
Apparently they can trade this years only.
The pick is going to be between 25-30. Harkless is averaging 5.9pts per game to Morris 18.7. But of course they will want Morris due to his elite catch and shooting ability, as well as willingness to play defense and toughness. They will need to give up Shamet in the deal.
But do we really want to trade Morris? If Knox was breaking out. Then moving Morris would make more sense as you would want to give Knox those mins and would want to get something in return for Morris before he left as a FA. But we can't depend on Knox, and we can't depend on any upcoming FAs.
I'd trade Morris. He is probably our best player but we are a 0.222 team. I have no interest in locking him to a longterm big money contract. I would rather see Knox in an expanded role and pray he figures his shit out. I would look to trade Morris, Elfrid Payton, Taj Gibson, Wayne Ellington, Reggie Bullock, Alonzo Trier, and Damyean Dotson. i would take a second in 2039 if I had to for some of these guys. Man, I wish we had saved some of that cap space to take salary dumps for first round picks
jskinny35 wrote:I wouldn't be so quick to trade Morris - he'a a pro, sets a good example by playing hard and both sides of the ball. While he's not a star - he is starter material and we really don't have much of that. Knox hasn't shown enough to believe he will supplant Morris anytime soon. We have enough picks, but not enough solid 2-way players. I'd consider resigning Morris unless a team blows us away with a decent player and a pick no higher than 10-15.
I cannot disagree with your argument but my view is this team is 2-3 years away from being anything. Morris is 30 yrs old. If we can get a future first rounder for him, you got to pull the trigger. This would also allow us to give Knox starters minutes and allow Iggy to get some run. I like Iggy a lot and think he might be the future at the 3 if he can play defense.
SupremeCommander wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:smackeddog wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:smackeddog wrote:NYStateOfMind wrote:Thoughts on trading for Markieff Morris &/or Isaiah Thomas. What would it take?I think adding them both would make this a solid team overall. DSJ seems done with this team and his so-called new shot looks like trash. Don't feel great about Gibson nor Portis long term, so either could go. Not big on Knox so far.
Think I read on Knicks Fan TV twitter that the Clippers are interested in Morris and would offer this years 1st rounder, plus the expirings of Moe Harkless (Whiteside i think you might be able to trade for second rounder or something) and Patterson. I'd be fine with that
They have first to give?
Apparently they can trade this years only.
The pick is going to be between 25-30. Harkless is averaging 5.9pts per game to Morris 18.7. But of course they will want Morris due to his elite catch and shooting ability, as well as willingness to play defense and toughness. They will need to give up Shamet in the deal.
But do we really want to trade Morris? If Knox was breaking out. Then moving Morris would make more sense as you would want to give Knox those mins and would want to get something in return for Morris before he left as a FA. But we can't depend on Knox, and we can't depend on any upcoming FAs.
I'd trade Morris. He is probably our best player but we are a 0.222 team. I have no interest in locking him to a longterm big money contract. I would rather see Knox in an expanded role and pray he figures his shit out. I would look to trade Morris, Elfrid Payton, Taj Gibson, Wayne Ellington, Reggie Bullock, Alonzo Trier, and Damyean Dotson. i would take a second in 2039 if I had to for some of these guys. Man, I wish we had saved some of that cap space to take salary dumps for first round picks
So when you do start holding on to quality players so you can start building a quality winning environment, so other quality FA can show interest.
Or are you ok with just drafting low IQ players, and have them brace 50 win losses every season....hows that development process working now?
If I'm trading Morris, it's going to be for player of need now and in the future, not for no draft pick that has the likely capability of being a bust.
We have to start looking at quality players to trades for like INDI did with PG13
There is a process. If we panic because Jimmy does not like being called names on the street then we have issues. Have a plan, stick to it and don't be afraid of the unknown.
In MSG success for the knicks is unknown. Most of us get it wrong. Fans are not influential. That's a good thing!
TheGame wrote:jskinny35 wrote:I wouldn't be so quick to trade Morris - he'a a pro, sets a good example by playing hard and both sides of the ball. While he's not a star - he is starter material and we really don't have much of that. Knox hasn't shown enough to believe he will supplant Morris anytime soon. We have enough picks, but not enough solid 2-way players. I'd consider resigning Morris unless a team blows us away with a decent player and a pick no higher than 10-15.I cannot disagree with your argument but my view is this team is 2-3 years away from being anything. Morris is 30 yrs old. If we can get a future first rounder for him, you got to pull the trigger. This would also allow us to give Knox starters minutes and allow Iggy to get some run. I like Iggy a lot and think he might be the future at the 3 if he can play defense.
So your philosophy is not to let young players like knox earn their minutes, but just giving them playing time and hope they don't develop bad habits in a terrible losing environment like we have been doing for the last 2 or 3 yrs.
Honestly, do you think any of our young players will have more than a 3 yr knick tenure?..
Because Melo was here 6 yrs and that's the 2nd longest tenured player since in EWING in the past 30+ yrs.
knicks1248 wrote:Let's also remember that you have a FO that's hanging on by a thread,the goal of that FO is to show improvement all around, not have fire salesNobody said anything about a fire sale. However if teams are willing to offer a very good return for Morris you have to consider it given the fact that he is a UFA after this year
This team needs a consistent PG, to thin out the PFs to someone more consistent. Barrett needs to plan smarter, heck if this team was better, he could use some g-league time with Knox and Iggy (all SFs).
Robinson has been better of late with foul woes, an improvement, but I don't think he has the bounce he did before he got banged up. There is no true Center behind him depth-wise. We don't need both Gibson and Portis behind Randle, one can go. Frank is a defensive energy off the bench type, I don't see much of an improvement ceiling for him.
Ellington a waste, like Novac who couldn't create his own shot too well, but at least Novocain hit his open 3s consistently. Dotson and when healthy (if not an excuse to keep him in the doghouse) Trier need minutes.
Marcus has been awesome most days, Randle is playing better with spacing and a PG Paton who spreads the floor. Not sure what Allen can offer since he never plays. DSJ needs to go. Those are the facts as I seem them.
StarksEwing1 wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Let's also remember that you have a FO that's hanging on by a thread,the goal of that FO is to show improvement all around, not have fire salesNobody said anything about a fire sale. However if teams are willing to offer a very good return for Morris you have to consider it given the fact that he is a UFA after this year
It always can happen that some opportunity will present itself.
The aforementioned players and late 1st rounders are not attractive at all.
But it can be some other opportunity which really make sense... very rare zo.
SupremeCommander wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:smackeddog wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:smackeddog wrote:NYStateOfMind wrote:Thoughts on trading for Markieff Morris &/or Isaiah Thomas. What would it take?I think adding them both would make this a solid team overall. DSJ seems done with this team and his so-called new shot looks like trash. Don't feel great about Gibson nor Portis long term, so either could go. Not big on Knox so far.
Think I read on Knicks Fan TV twitter that the Clippers are interested in Morris and would offer this years 1st rounder, plus the expirings of Moe Harkless (Whiteside i think you might be able to trade for second rounder or something) and Patterson. I'd be fine with that
They have first to give?
Apparently they can trade this years only.
The pick is going to be between 25-30. Harkless is averaging 5.9pts per game to Morris 18.7. But of course they will want Morris due to his elite catch and shooting ability, as well as willingness to play defense and toughness. They will need to give up Shamet in the deal.
But do we really want to trade Morris? If Knox was breaking out. Then moving Morris would make more sense as you would want to give Knox those mins and would want to get something in return for Morris before he left as a FA. But we can't depend on Knox, and we can't depend on any upcoming FAs.
I'd trade Morris. He is probably our best player but we are a 0.222 team. I have no interest in locking him to a longterm big money contract. I would rather see Knox in an expanded role and pray he figures his shit out. I would look to trade Morris, Elfrid Payton, Taj Gibson, Wayne Ellington, Reggie Bullock, Alonzo Trier, and Damyean Dotson. i would take a second in 2039 if I had to for some of these guys. Man, I wish we had saved some of that cap space to take salary dumps for first round picks
Like anyone else on the team it depends on the return.
But philosophy wise. When we were bare with no young talent or assets etc. Collecting as much assets as possible made a ton of sense even if it sacrificed team building. But we have a good amount of young talent. Granted some will probably not stick and be apart of long term plans. But I think we are at the stage where we should start looking into actually building a team over collecting assets.
I wouldn't mind locking Morris in for a 3 yr deal afterwards if we could convince him of a 2 yr deal even better. Maybe possible if we thrown in a little extra cash. Should also look into a starting calibre center to upgrade from Gibson while keeping Mitch as a high quality backup as he gets more seasoning. PG will depend on the draft if we net Anthony will probably look to keep Payton as the vet. If Edwards who is more of a SG is landed might look at grabbing Dragic or Teague to go with Payton.
Combination of another top 5 lotto pick this upcoming draft, and some solid FAs like the ones mentioned above. While keeping pieces that have worked out so far like Payton and Morris might be the way to go forward.