ItalianStallion wrote:None of this is true. Had the Knicks not traded KP, they would have easily had the cap space for Randle (or someone else] and THEN could have signed KP to his max contract later. In fact, that was the original plan. It was to add a max player to KP. Not only would that have been superior, but Randle is actually a much better fit with KP. KP and Robinson are also a better fit than Mitch and Randle because KP stretches the floor way better for either Randle or Mitch to operate inside. It was a terrible trade.
Again, KP did not want to be here. Thus, any argument that the team would have been better off keeping KP ignores the facts of the situation. Yes, I would have liked to keep KP, but I also agree that once he said he did not want to be here, the smart move was to trade him and avoid the distraction. Plus, it is highly doubtful we would have signed Randle if we had KP. KP wants to be a PF, not a center. It would have made no sense adding Randle, who would be undersized at center and not quick enough to play SF. Right now, Randle is playing better than KP. In the long run, we might actually have ended up with the better PF (on a much cheaper contract), while also adding two first round picks.
stanleybostitch wrote:GustavBahler wrote:
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/28390...
Nice article. Not sure I want to pay the max for KP in that role however. Per the other thread you can get that kind of production at a much lower cost.
They want to use him as a pure man Mitch with 3-point shot...
You have to be rich with generational PG to afford this for max money.
And they are.
With combination of Mitch and Dot we have same for about nothing.
For Dallas it is all about who will be the 3rd option.
If they will get 3rd star they will be contenders.
Three game winning streak makes it all look better. Im really not so concerned who wins the trade but the knicks succeed. My hope is in three years Dallas is bloody awful giving us good draft picks, but then a great surge and WE BOTH MEET IN THE FINALS!!! Knicks success is all that matters. Mired in misery and KP looking good this season is painful.
TheGame wrote:I was thinking about the fact that it looks like DSJ might not be a starting caliber PG. If that proves to be the case, then we traded KP for two first round picks and whatever we can get for DSJ, which certainly would be less than what you would expect to get for KP. But then I realized, we would not have gotten Randle if KP was here. If you look at KP's stats and Randle's stats, they are fairly comparable. KP is averaging PTS 17.3 REB 9.4 AST 1.5 PER 16.71 and Julius Randle is averaging PTS 18.7 REB 8.8 AST 3.3 PER 17.26. So through this trade, the Knicks replaced KP with a similar player (who actually wants to be here) and who gets paid an average of $20 million per year over the next three years as opposed to KP's average of $29 million, and the Knicks get two additional first round picks. Plus, we still have cap-flexibility. It actually was a genius move when you look at it like this.
this setting the standard for "genius" really low man
I still think its a shit more but certainly one that we can move past from and success. Doesnt have to set us back years but this was in no way good for us... not yet, not with the way Dallas is looking early on
I don't follow the Mavs at all, but how are their fans reacting to KP? I expect they're pretty darn happy with the trade, assuming KP stays healthy. Hardaway has also moved into the starting lineup.
Smith was not a backcourt fit with Donic...Smith needs the ball to be good, and like Donic, is not a great defender. Losing him was no big deal for them, and if they play the way they have so far, their #1 picks will be in the late 1st round, unless they have some serious injury issues.
KP seems to be OK not being top dog and go to player on the team, and they've had a very good season so far despite having a pedestrian roster some recent injuries to Porzingis and Donic, and Hardaway.
We will see if anything comes from the picks, but I can't call the KP trade a "genius move" by any stretch of the imagination.
Porzingis out tonight vs Brooklyn -- 2nd game missed due to "knee soreness." "No timetable" for his return to the lineup. No commentary, just reporting.
Only, KNICKS fans can start a thread sighting the genius of our front office executing a deal giving up our young franchise talent for late round draft picks and guy that’s going to be out of the league shortly, opening up cap space for to sign guys that have led the team to a 10-24 record.
To review, Steve Mills signed THJR while we were searching for a GM (Ron Baker 2 years 9MM), creates a false narrative regarding KP, rushes a trade through to clear space he used, to secure Durant and Irving, who don’t even grant the Knicks a meeting.
After picking the wrong coach, overloading the team with veterans taking away time from Mitchell Robinson.
MS wrote:
Only, KNICKS fans can start a thread sighting the genius of our front office executing a deal giving up our young franchise talent for late round draft picks and guy that’s going to be out of the league shortly, opening up cap space for to sign guys that have led the team to a 10-24 record.To review, Steve Mills signed THJR while we were searching for a GM (Ron Baker 2 years 9MM), creates a false narrative regarding KP, rushes a trade through to clear space he used, to secure Durant and Irving, who don’t even grant the Knicks a meeting.
After picking the wrong coach, overloading the team with veterans taking away time from Mitchell Robinson.
those same veterans you think have hindered Mitchell's growth were actually credited by him for his outstanding performance against the trailblazers:
Apparently, Robinson was still salty about getting romped by his teammates in scrimmages the day prior in practice. He said it became motivation to bury the Blazers since his opportunity for revenge at practice was over.“We played multiple games and they was kicking our ass all day [Tuesday],” Robinson said. “And it was a practice day. So we had to take an ass kicking and go home.”
It wasn’t just the scrimmage defeats that burned Robinson. It was the trash talking.
“They bust our ass. So I was kind of mad because they was talking s--- after,” Robinson said. “So I was like, I’m not going to let that happen again. And then I came in the game and just dominated.”
Knicks forward Marcus Morris confirmed his team — the starters — worked Robinson and the reserves in practice.
“We kicked their ass. But that’s the competitive nature and it’s getting better for us,” he said. “We go in, we damn near kick their ass every day. But they play hard. Like I told him during the game, he’s becoming a hell of a player in this league. I’m excited to be a part of his career.”
https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baske...
fwk00 wrote:MS wrote:-snip-Multiple teams have come out and mentioned they didn’t get a chance to make an offer.
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Oh, I think the FO knew what the offers were and there are probably teams that the Knicks didn't want KP going to. Should they have procrastinated forever awaiting the best deal ever?
I think this is a very good point. I'm sure Boston would've been interested. Sending him West was smart.
ItalianStallion wrote:None of this is true. Had the Knicks not traded KP, they would have easily had the cap space for Randle (or someone else] and THEN could have signed KP to his max contract later. In fact, that was the original plan. It was to add a max player to KP. Not only would that have been superior, but Randle is actually a much better fit with KP. KP and Robinson are also a better fit than Mitch and Randle because KP stretches the floor way better for either Randle or Mitch to operate inside. It was a terrible trade.
When he was here KP was posting up a lot of the time. I don't see him and Randle co-existing. And you don't want to turn Mitchell into a guy who can't see the court because we have to play KP and Randle to justify their money.
Let's just put it this way, previously we would have traded KP for overpaid , over the hill players because we had to always show immediate results. Ariza for Steve Francis was our standard for trades. At least this trade is different. The results will be seen in a few years. But so far they get my vote just for being original and for not trading him to a contender in the East
so many things could have gone differently in so many ways it can make your head spin.
Phil, and then Mills has changed the paradigm of how this franchise is being run.
At the same time found new ways to also screw up and execute badly. KP was a different type of regrettable action. WE draft a unicorn and seemingly it all falls to pieces. "Regrettable". We hire a young coach (Fish) instead of tired retreads and he more interested in chasing skirt. We hire a young Jerry sloan type (Horny) and he offends the unicorn. We oblige and hire a young charismatic coach and rumors of Durant persist. Durant breaks, goes another way and we learn the guy can't really coach.
These are new and different ways all the while we own our picks. In the past, we did not always.
I can't tell you the future is rosy and Dolan won't demand we revert back to the old way in a panic move but for now we have a nice young core. Fans are fatigued by the losing and hope fades with each passing failure.
I long promote the process has changed and it has to produce at some point. Lord knows its not easy.
