Knicks · Yes it’s early but here’s the 2020 NBA draft thread. (page 43)

BigDaddyG @ 9/26/2020 2:59 PM
Uptown wrote:
martin wrote:

was just about to post this....If we are looking for a player similar to Hero, look no further than Terry. If we decide to trade back, Terry, has to be considered along with Maxey and perhaps Anthony...


Wow...just saw a picture of Stanford's coach Jerrod Haas. He got fat. I remember when he was running the backcourt with Jason Kids at Cal. I guess the main question with Terry I have is his general playmaking ability. I'm not sure I trust him enough to be a lead ballhandler. Not as a big of an issue if we run the offense through RJ, but a big enough issue for me to keep him out of the top 20. Pick 27 would seem about right.
Uptown @ 9/26/2020 3:50 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
Uptown wrote:
martin wrote:

was just about to post this....If we are looking for a player similar to Hero, look no further than Terry. If we decide to trade back, Terry, has to be considered along with Maxey and perhaps Anthony...


Wow...just saw a picture of Stanford's coach Jerrod Haas. He got fat. I remember when he was running the backcourt with Jason Kids at Cal. I guess the main question with Terry I have is his general playmaking ability. I'm not sure I trust him enough to be a lead ballhandler. Not as a big of an issue if we run the offense through RJ, but a big enough issue for me to keep him out of the top 20. Pick 27 would seem about right.

I disagree. Its a different league than the one me and you grew up watching. Teams no longer rely on a pure pg as the main playmaker, but instead will pack the floor with multiple playmakers and will run the offense through the best playmaker on the floor regardless of position.

Murray is the lead guard but the offense runs through the Joker. Butler is just as good if not a better playmaker than Dragic. Draymond has always been the best playmaker on that Warrior team.
With that said, Terry is a better passer than he is given credit for and this roster is far from complete. We can always add a playmaking wing, etc. Terry brings 2 much needed aspects to this team that is desperately needed: Shooting and IQ. And like I said, he is not a Chris Paul level playmaker, but he can make the right pass.

BigDaddyG @ 9/26/2020 4:02 PM
Uptown wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
Uptown wrote:
martin wrote:

was just about to post this....If we are looking for a player similar to Hero, look no further than Terry. If we decide to trade back, Terry, has to be considered along with Maxey and perhaps Anthony...


Wow...just saw a picture of Stanford's coach Jerrod Haas. He got fat. I remember when he was running the backcourt with Jason Kids at Cal. I guess the main question with Terry I have is his general playmaking ability. I'm not sure I trust him enough to be a lead ballhandler. Not as a big of an issue if we run the offense through RJ, but a big enough issue for me to keep him out of the top 20. Pick 27 would seem about right.

I disagree. Its a different league than the one me and you grew up watching. Teams no longer rely on a pure pg as the main playmaker, but instead will pack the floor with multiple playmakers and will run the offense through the best playmaker on the floor regardless of position.

Murray is the lead guard but the offense runs through the Joker. Butler is just as good if not a better playmaker than Dragic. Draymond has always been the best playmaker on that Warrior team.
With that said, Terry is a better passer than he is given credit for and this roster is far from complete. We can always add a playmaking wing, etc. Terry brings 2 much needed aspects to this team that is desperately needed: Shooting and IQ. And like I said, he is not a Chris Paul level playmaker, but he can make the right pass.

I guess. The difference is Murray is also a driving threat and is bigger. Of course this happened over time. But I'm not holding Terry up to John Stockton's standards. Right now, he profiles as a secondary ball handler who can only guard one position and can get hot from outside. That sounds like the profile of a reserve on a good team. Not saying he can't get better, but I have him firmly behind Cole, Maxey, Kira and Roller. Feel free to pull this thread up in three years ifbthisbtake blows up in my face hahahah

Uptown @ 9/26/2020 6:34 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
Uptown wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
Uptown wrote:
martin wrote:

was just about to post this....If we are looking for a player similar to Hero, look no further than Terry. If we decide to trade back, Terry, has to be considered along with Maxey and perhaps Anthony...


Wow...just saw a picture of Stanford's coach Jerrod Haas. He got fat. I remember when he was running the backcourt with Jason Kids at Cal. I guess the main question with Terry I have is his general playmaking ability. I'm not sure I trust him enough to be a lead ballhandler. Not as a big of an issue if we run the offense through RJ, but a big enough issue for me to keep him out of the top 20. Pick 27 would seem about right.

I disagree. Its a different league than the one me and you grew up watching. Teams no longer rely on a pure pg as the main playmaker, but instead will pack the floor with multiple playmakers and will run the offense through the best playmaker on the floor regardless of position.

Murray is the lead guard but the offense runs through the Joker. Butler is just as good if not a better playmaker than Dragic. Draymond has always been the best playmaker on that Warrior team.
With that said, Terry is a better passer than he is given credit for and this roster is far from complete. We can always add a playmaking wing, etc. Terry brings 2 much needed aspects to this team that is desperately needed: Shooting and IQ. And like I said, he is not a Chris Paul level playmaker, but he can make the right pass.

I guess. The difference is Murray is also a driving threat and is bigger. Of course this happened over time. But I'm not holding Terry up to John Stockton's standards. Right now, he profiles as a secondary ball handler who can only guard one position and can get hot from outside. That sounds like the profile of a reserve on a good team. Not saying he can't get better, but I have him firmly behind Cole, Maxey, Kira and Roller. Feel free to pull this thread up in three years ifbthisbtake blows up in my face hahahah

Lol...this is one of the most difficult drafts to get a good read on....None of these players have truly separated themselves from the pack.

3 yrs from, when we look back, I can see Maxey being one of the top 5 players from this draft so I agree with you on him. I think Anthony is much better than he showed at UNC, so I agree with you on him too. Terry was already one of the best shooters in this draft but my major concern with him was his size or lack thereof. The fact that he was able to add 20lbs shows commitment, and dedication. This improves his draft stock IMO and makes him a strong possibility if we trade back

smackeddog @ 9/27/2020 11:17 AM
KnickDanger @ 9/27/2020 4:19 PM
Well as much as we have jumped about already with projected draft positions, I imagine there will be a lot more when the combine gets going tomorrow.
smackeddog @ 9/27/2020 4:30 PM
KnickDanger wrote:Well as much as we have jumped about already with projected draft positions, I imagine there will be a lot more when the combine gets going tomorrow.

Oh man, I feel like I’ve been stuck in a time loop with this draft- will no doubt go through many more cycles of indecision before we finally get to draft day

Pepper @ 9/28/2020 11:28 AM
Some personal opinions:

1. The Knicks Should not trade up from 8: They will most certainly have to give up Mitch and future draft assets and they should not do either. For years we have wanted them to build through the draft and it seems like with KP trade they are finally planning to do so. There is no reason to bail on that right now. Mitch has barely scratched the surface of his ceiling, IMHO.

2. The Knicks should not trade down from 8: Yes, after the top 3-5 the talent pool definitely gets blurry. However, the Knicks have the 27th pick and an early 2nd rounder. They also have players who clearly aren't part of the future on expiring contracts who they could use as trade bait if they want to move up a few spots for a player they like (lets say from 27 or from their 2nd round pick). Portis, Gibson, Payton. Randle, Smith Jr, Bullock are not on expiring contracts but also not part of the future. Knox and Frank were guys who we all thought were going to be part of the future but they too could be on the chopping block.

Selection at #8:

In general I think the Knicks need to finally address the PG position. However, there are two NON PG prospects that I'm keeping an eye who I expect to be off the board but if they fall to 8 the Knicks should seriously consider taking. D. Avdija and O.Toppin. These would be BAP type selections.

Otherwise the Knicks should be looking at the following PGs (assuming Ball is off the board), in the following order.
-Haliburton
-K.Lewis
-K.Hayes
-C.Anthony

That's it. Those are our options, IMO. I'm not looking at Vassel, I'm not looking at Okoro, I'm not looking a Pat. Williams. The Knicks need a PG.

The case for Haliburton: Haliburton gives the Knicks exactly what they need right now. Stability and a floor general at the PG position. He has good size for a PG, which allows him to see the floor and gives him upside as a defender. Although he will need to get stronger at the next level. He's a great passer. He's great in transition. He's a threat from the 3 point line. He has a solid handle but his one downside is he is not an elite athlete and you would probably not rely on him to create his own shot. However, I think he is able to make plays for others using his frame and passing ability and the fact that he is a good shooter means he can contribute offensively.

The case for K.Lewis: Lewis would give the Knicks some much needed offensive firepower. He can shoot and he can attack the rim to make plays, get fouled or score. He's extremely quick off the dribble and can put up points in bunches. His defense however will be challenged immediately in the NBA. Lewis has a ton of upside. Him and Haliburton are vey different PGs. Do you want the score-first PG or the pass-first PG? I've seen teams succeed and fail with both.

The case for K.Hayes: Hayes would be a great PG for the Knicks if we only knew what we were getting. He's still a mystery and I consider him much more of a developmental player than Haliburton or Lewis. We do know that he has great size, high IQ, pass first mentality and a very solid jump shot. He seems to be developing into a balanced PG who can distribute and score. He's another player with immense upside but he's low on my list because he's a real gamble and he doesn't seem to have the elite athleticism that would make me want to roll the dice.

The case for C.Anthony: I think C.Anthony has a similar game to K.Lewis. They have an aggressive score first mentality but can still make plays for their team and distribute the ball. Anthony is better defensively but he is nowhere near the explosive athlete that Lewis is. The Knicks would be drafting Anthony on potential because we have not seen much from due to COVID. He had an off season on a bad NC team. In fact, it would be fair to say that #8 is a reach for him. But the Knicks need a PG and if they end up hitting on one despite it being a reach then I say who cares.


What to do at 27?

The way the draft prospects are lining up it looks like there will be a lot of talented wings in that late first round range. Despite what I believe has not been enough opportunities, Knox has not shown to be the answer at the SF position. He has been an inconsistent scorer and poor defender. I feel like he will be on the chopping block this offseason and the Knicks will be looking for a scoring wing on the draft.

Here are some options that I think will be great for the Knicks at 27, in no particular order:

-Jaden McDaniels: Although a PF in college, McDaniels has a skinny frame and stretches the floor with his fantastic shooting ability and surprisingly impressive handle. He's not a great defender for a PF and I could def. see him playing SF in the NBA.
-Saddiq Bey: Great 3 and D SF. He is a hard nosed, scrappy defender who is also a really productive 3 point shooter. Not the best athlete but still extremely productive despite that.
-Tyler Bey: Fantastic athlete. Great defender. High motor. 6'7 but with a massive wingspan. He played PF in college but will most likely be a better fit at SF in the NBA. His jump shot is questionable but improving. If he develops a solid 3 pointer he could become a really good player.
-Robert Woodard II: Good athlete, rebounder, defender. Can hit the 3. Does a lot of things well and if he continues to improve on them at the next level that is all you can ask of him. He wouldn't be my top pick at 27 but he would be a option if some of these other guys were gone.

Sidenote- potentially drafting a guard.
*Desmond Bane: Now, this guy is a guard but he is probably my favorite prospect in the draft. Although not the same kind of athlete, he is the second coming of James Harden. He can score from anywhere. He is 215lbs and attacks the rim like a tank. This guys makes the kind of patented skill shots you see from NBA all pros. He's unstoppable in a lot of games. He will be an immediate scoring contributor for the Knicks and can be a good fit when they play a small lineup moving RJ to the SF position. Especially if they end up with a bigger PG from pick #8 like Haliburton.
*Leandro Bolmaro: If you haven't seen this guy play, check out some of his game-tape or at least some highlights, he is fun to watch. He is essentially a 6-7 European PG. Every strength and weakness you put on a player coming out of Europe you can put on him. He's a fantastic passer, high IQ, team oriented player. He can shoot but has difficulty creating his own shot. Despite his size, he needs to get stronger. Not an explosive/above the rim type player but doesn't have to be to be effective. Solid defender against PG due to his size but will struggle in the NBA against SGs.

Now, a lot of these guys my be gone at 27- but certainly not ALL of them. And, like I said, the Knicks could move up a few spots to snag someone they like. It won't const them nearly as much as moving up within the top 10.

smackeddog @ 9/28/2020 12:30 PM
Macri's summary on his newsletter:

-If Obi Toppin is available at eight, I think he will be the pick. One league source I spoke to feels that if he’s there, he is “100%” going to be the choice, but it also seems like he will be off the board, just reading the tea leaves.

-I have no idea how Killian Hayes being available at eight would impact this. I was told by someone a few months back that the Knicks liked Hayes, but haven’t heard anything in regard to their level of interest - for better or for worse - recently. Maybe they’re sure he’ll be gone, or maybe they have no interest. I genuinely have no clue. Sorry.

-I think if Toppin is off the board, it will come down to Tyrese Halliburton, Devin Vassell or Isaac Okoro. I continue to believe Vassell would get the nod, but that’s only because I’m surest about the fact that they have interest in him, as opposed to their level of interest. But they like him, as they should.
I’ve also been told by multiple sources that they have interest in both Cole Anthony and Kira Lewis Jr., but my impression is that these two may be in a tier down at this point. Patrick Williams is someone else they have done their homework on, according to a source.

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smackeddog @ 9/28/2020 12:34 PM

Weird Pat Williams won't be there- thought he'd be aiming to boost his stock, unless he's trying to go to a preferred team by limiting his exposure.

Also surprised in Cole Anthony- the way he's been falling you'd think he'd try and remind people about his athleticism etc

smackeddog @ 9/28/2020 12:40 PM

No Nesmith or Wiseman either- DO NOT tell BRIGGS!

Uptown @ 9/28/2020 12:45 PM
Pepper wrote:Some personal opinions:

1. The Knicks Should not trade up from 8: They will most certainly have to give up Mitch and future draft assets and they should not do either. For years we have wanted them to build through the draft and it seems like with KP trade they are finally planning to do so. There is no reason to bail on that right now. Mitch has barely scratched the surface of his ceiling, IMHO.

2. The Knicks should not trade down from 8: Yes, after the top 3-5 the talent pool definitely gets blurry. However, the Knicks have the 27th pick and an early 2nd rounder. They also have players who clearly aren't part of the future on expiring contracts who they could use as trade bait if they want to move up a few spots for a player they like (lets say from 27 or from their 2nd round pick). Portis, Gibson, Payton. Randle, Smith Jr, Bullock are not on expiring contracts but also not part of the future. Knox and Frank were guys who we all thought were going to be part of the future but they too could be on the chopping block.

Selection at #8:

In general I think the Knicks need to finally address the PG position. However, there are two NON PG prospects that I'm keeping an eye who I expect to be off the board but if they fall to 8 the Knicks should seriously consider taking. D. Avdija and O.Toppin. These would be BAP type selections.

Otherwise the Knicks should be looking at the following PGs (assuming Ball is off the board), in the following order.
-Haliburton
-K.Lewis
-K.Hayes
-C.Anthony

That's it. Those are our options, IMO. I'm not looking at Vassel, I'm not looking at Okoro, I'm not looking a Pat. Williams. The Knicks need a PG.

The case for Haliburton: Haliburton gives the Knicks exactly what they need right now. Stability and a floor general at the PG position. He has good size for a PG, which allows him to see the floor and gives him upside as a defender. Although he will need to get stronger at the next level. He's a great passer. He's great in transition. He's a threat from the 3 point line. He has a solid handle but his one downside is he is not an elite athlete and you would probably not rely on him to create his own shot. However, I think he is able to make plays for others using his frame and passing ability and the fact that he is a good shooter means he can contribute offensively.

The case for K.Lewis: Lewis would give the Knicks some much needed offensive firepower. He can shoot and he can attack the rim to make plays, get fouled or score. He's extremely quick off the dribble and can put up points in bunches. His defense however will be challenged immediately in the NBA. Lewis has a ton of upside. Him and Haliburton are vey different PGs. Do you want the score-first PG or the pass-first PG? I've seen teams succeed and fail with both.

The case for K.Hayes: Hayes would be a great PG for the Knicks if we only knew what we were getting. He's still a mystery and I consider him much more of a developmental player than Haliburton or Lewis. We do know that he has great size, high IQ, pass first mentality and a very solid jump shot. He seems to be developing into a balanced PG who can distribute and score. He's another player with immense upside but he's low on my list because he's a real gamble and he doesn't seem to have the elite athleticism that would make me want to roll the dice.

The case for C.Anthony: I think C.Anthony has a similar game to K.Lewis. They have an aggressive score first mentality but can still make plays for their team and distribute the ball. Anthony is better defensively but he is nowhere near the explosive athlete that Lewis is. The Knicks would be drafting Anthony on potential because we have not seen much from due to COVID. He had an off season on a bad NC team. In fact, it would be fair to say that #8 is a reach for him. But the Knicks need a PG and if they end up hitting on one despite it being a reach then I say who cares.


What to do at 27?

The way the draft prospects are lining up it looks like there will be a lot of talented wings in that late first round range. Despite what I believe has not been enough opportunities, Knox has not shown to be the answer at the SF position. He has been an inconsistent scorer and poor defender. I feel like he will be on the chopping block this offseason and the Knicks will be looking for a scoring wing on the draft.

Here are some options that I think will be great for the Knicks at 27, in no particular order:

-Jaden McDaniels: Although a PF in college, McDaniels has a skinny frame and stretches the floor with his fantastic shooting ability and surprisingly impressive handle. He's not a great defender for a PF and I could def. see him playing SF in the NBA.
-Saddiq Bey: Great 3 and D SF. He is a hard nosed, scrappy defender who is also a really productive 3 point shooter. Not the best athlete but still extremely productive despite that.
-Tyler Bey: Fantastic athlete. Great defender. High motor. 6'7 but with a massive wingspan. He played PF in college but will most likely be a better fit at SF in the NBA. His jump shot is questionable but improving. If he develops a solid 3 pointer he could become a really good player.
-Robert Woodard II: Good athlete, rebounder, defender. Can hit the 3. Does a lot of things well and if he continues to improve on them at the next level that is all you can ask of him. He wouldn't be my top pick at 27 but he would be a option if some of these other guys were gone.

Sidenote- potentially drafting a guard.
*Desmond Bane: Now, this guy is a guard but he is probably my favorite prospect in the draft. Although not the same kind of athlete, he is the second coming of James Harden. He can score from anywhere. He is 215lbs and attacks the rim like a tank. This guys makes the kind of patented skill shots you see from NBA all pros. He's unstoppable in a lot of games. He will be an immediate scoring contributor for the Knicks and can be a good fit when they play a small lineup moving RJ to the SF position. Especially if they end up with a bigger PG from pick #8 like Haliburton.
*Leandro Bolmaro: If you haven't seen this guy play, check out some of his game-tape or at least some highlights, he is fun to watch. He is essentially a 6-7 European PG. Every strength and weakness you put on a player coming out of Europe you can put on him. He's a fantastic passer, high IQ, team oriented player. He can shoot but has difficulty creating his own shot. Despite his size, he needs to get stronger. Not an explosive/above the rim type player but doesn't have to be to be effective. Solid defender against PG due to his size but will struggle in the NBA against SGs.

Now, a lot of these guys my be gone at 27- but certainly not ALL of them. And, like I said, the Knicks could move up a few spots to snag someone they like. It won't const them nearly as much as moving up within the top 10.

Good post! Well thought out and some good info here. With that said, I disagree with the premise that the Knicks need to lock in on a PG @ 8. The cupboard is bare at MSG and we are probably bottom 3 in terms of talent in the NBA. We need a serious injection of skilled players, and if the Knicks brass feel that the best prospect on the board @ 8 is a pg, so be it. But, in no way should we select Haliburton just because we need a pg, and leave a more talented player or a player with more potential like Okoro or Vassell on the board.

Love the potential of McDaniel @ 27 but doubt he will be there. He struggled in his first year, but he has loads of potential. He reminds me of Jonathan Bender, the 6'11 Sf prospect that had his career derailed by injuries.

Bane is definitely on the short list of players we should take a long look at @ 27.

Uptown @ 9/28/2020 12:47 PM
smackeddog wrote:

Weird Pat Williams won't be there- thought he'd be aiming to boost his stock, unless he's trying to go to a preferred team by limiting his exposure.

Also surprised in Cole Anthony- the way he's been falling you'd think he'd try and remind people about his athleticism etc

I'm more excited about this than the finals

BigDaddyG @ 9/28/2020 1:38 PM
smackeddog wrote:

Weird Pat Williams won't be there- thought he'd be aiming to boost his stock, unless he's trying to go to a preferred team by limiting his exposure.

Also surprised in Cole Anthony- the way he's been falling you'd think he'd try and remind people about his athleticism etc

Maybe he already got a promise?

smackeddog @ 9/28/2020 2:29 PM
smackeddog @ 9/28/2020 2:31 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
smackeddog wrote:

Weird Pat Williams won't be there- thought he'd be aiming to boost his stock, unless he's trying to go to a preferred team by limiting his exposure.

Also surprised in Cole Anthony- the way he's been falling you'd think he'd try and remind people about his athleticism etc

Maybe he already got a promise?

Its certainly a strange choice not to take part for any of those players that don’t have a promise. So long has passed since the end of the season, you’d think they’d want to show what kind of shape they’re in

BigDaddyG @ 9/28/2020 3:12 PM
smackeddog wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
smackeddog wrote:

Weird Pat Williams won't be there- thought he'd be aiming to boost his stock, unless he's trying to go to a preferred team by limiting his exposure.

Also surprised in Cole Anthony- the way he's been falling you'd think he'd try and remind people about his athleticism etc

Maybe he already got a promise?

Its certainly a strange choice not to take part for any of those players that don’t have a promise. So long has passed since the end of the season, you’d think they’d want to show what kind of shape they’re in


Yeah, but things happen. Remember the Wilson Chandler, Isaiah Thomas controversy? I think Wilson might've been leaning toward staying at DePaul until IT convinced him to come out during his illegal workouts.
wargames @ 9/28/2020 3:47 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
smackeddog wrote:

Weird Pat Williams won't be there- thought he'd be aiming to boost his stock, unless he's trying to go to a preferred team by limiting his exposure.

Also surprised in Cole Anthony- the way he's been falling you'd think he'd try and remind people about his athleticism etc

Maybe he already got a promise?

Its certainly a strange choice not to take part for any of those players that don’t have a promise. So long has passed since the end of the season, you’d think they’d want to show what kind of shape they’re in


Yeah, but things happen. Remember the Wilson Chandler, Isaiah Thomas controversy? I think Wilson might've been leaning toward staying at DePaul until IT convinced him to come out during his illegal workouts.

Yeah all those guys probably got a promise.


I still think the knicks are going to pull both FSU kids.

smackeddog @ 9/29/2020 3:59 AM
Don't think I've seen such a low intensity work out vid in a while- body language is not inspiring:

BigDaddyG @ 9/29/2020 11:40 AM
smackeddog wrote:Don't think I've seen such a low intensity work out vid in a while- body language is not inspiring:

Form looks revamped. Looks like their slowing it down until he gets more familiar with it.

smackeddog @ 9/29/2020 1:41 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
smackeddog wrote:Don't think I've seen such a low intensity work out vid in a while- body language is not inspiring:

Form looks revamped. Looks like their slowing it down until he gets more familiar with it.

Feel like he needs Woody shouting at him "game speed! game speed!"

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