smackeddog wrote:martin wrote:NotInMyHouse wrote:[DELETED - Martin]
The FDA has not approved any off-label use of hydroxychloroquine re COVID-19. FULL STOP. Hydroxychloroquine is a Malaria drug, so far that's it. Trump has made some very misleading statements on these drugs, that's it.
I don't know who Dr. Vladimir Zelenko is and how it relates to usable information but let's err on the side of caution please.
I'd like to make sure we are posting relevant information that is backed up by sources, especially in the above context.
Thanks
Another blunder by Trump- when he comes out and says this stuff before it's even been properly clinically tested, it just leads to scarcity of the product and people panic-using it themselves leading to possible fatalities.
This is terrible. Really important to nip this in the bud. Zelenko is a GP in Rockland County NJ who made some outrageous claims based on 14 patients!!!!! He treated the 9 positives with h-chlor. A percentage recovered. He therefore said 60% of the country must have Covid (based on 9/14 patients) and a percentage were cured with h-chlor therefore I would have cured thousands. It's a complete unethical, bullshit ruse. Ignore ignore ignore. See link.
No-one has approved hydroxychloroquine for use in Covid. That's not to say they won't, That's not to say anything, but for now IT HAS NOT BEEN PROVEN SAFE PLEASE DO NOT USE THIS UNLESS SPECIFICALLY ADVISED TO BY THE CDC OR OVERARCHING MEDICAL GOVERNING BODY OF YOUR COUNTRY.
https://www.lohud.com/story/news/local/r...
Sorry to add this, but Martin would it be possible to delete the OP of this send closk? I really don't want people getting false treatment advice from UK.com
martin wrote:NotInMyHouse wrote:I don't think I saw this mentioned here but very good news - The FDA has approved off label use of hydroxychloroquine use.
If you are not familiar with this drug, it has been used for decades for Malaria.
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The FDA has not approved any off-label use of hydroxychloroquine re COVID-19. FULL STOP. Hydroxychloroquine is a Malaria drug, so far that's it. Trump has made some very misleading statements on these drugs, that's it.
I don't know who Dr. Vladimir Zelenko is and how it relates to usable information but let's err on the side of caution please.
I'd like to make sure we are posting relevant information that is backed up by sources, especially in the above context.
Thanks
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And regarding the safety of hydroxychloroquine, from the WHO:
Snippet - My bold
Common side effects include vomiting, headache, changes in vision and muscle weakness.[2] Severe side effects may include allergic reactions.[2] Although all risk cannot be excluded, it remains a treatment for rheumatic disease during pregnancy.[4] Hydroxychloroquine is in the antimalarial and 4-aminoquinoline families of medication.[2]Hydroxychloroquine was approved for medical use in the United States in 1955.[2] It is on the World Health Organization's List of Essential Medicines, the safest and most effective medicines needed in a health system.[5]
from Wiki
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydroxychl...I'm not trying to get anyone to take anything, just some promising news.
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NotInMyHouse wrote:
That's all very positive and exciting. And I mean that, I'm certainly not against finding a therapeutic regimen for Covid ASAP. But what you have collated above? That is not FDA approval. That is all closely regulated clinical trials. What you're doing is running the risk of people popping the leftover malaria drugs they have at home on say so. It is irresponsible. The FDA will let you know when they're happy. Until then, please stop. You are endangering people.
Thank you.
And apologies it if it sounds like I'm trying to lecture you, I'm really not. But I am working every day here to save lives, and irresponsible dissemination of untrue information does not help. Thanks again.
Notinmyhouse, feel free to edit your post to say, potentially great advances etc etc. But you started with Zelenko, who's a debunked phoney idiot and then continued with unproven clinical trials. Please be clear, because it makes a difference. Thanks
NotInMyHouse, I don't know how to handle this better but I am going to ask you to not post any more information about this topic. If you'd like to discuss offline with me, I'm at martin@ultimateknicks.com
Your sources are not very good and are all over the place with bad information and I don't have the time or energy to counter all of them. I'm of the mind to remove your above posts and I have edited some to remove just blatantly wrong/bad information.
FoxNews and DailyCaller are not even close to reliable sources of information, you should STOP referencing or looking at any of them FYI.
And if you can't find similar information on other outlets, take that as a hint that what you are reading is flat FALSE.
martin wrote:NotInMyHouse, I don't know how to handle this better but I am going to ask you to not post any more information about this topic. If you'd like to discuss offline with me, I'm at martin@ultimateknicks.comYour sources are not very good and are all over the place with bad information and I don't have the time or energy to counter all of them. I'm of the mind to remove your above posts and I have edited some to remove just blatantly wrong/bad information.
FoxNews and DailyCaller are not even close to reliable sources of information, you should STOP referencing or looking at any of them FYI.
And if you can't find similar information on other outlets, take that as a hint that what you are reading is flat FALSE.
Thanks Martin. Ugh now I'm doubly frustrated, having seen that the OP actually used the words "The Chinese Virus". Kill me now.
And if it wasn't already clear to everyone, Trump, Pence and a bunch of others have put out verifiable bad lies in their press conferences. This is a statement of fact. Not everything, but enough that it's just horrible.
We can do better. And if you are unsure, ask about what you are posting or if you don't know too much about or are unfamiliar with, I'll help out if I can.
This is real and is going to last a LONG time. People are dying. Hospitals are overflowing.
Rocky road ahead, and it's a long one. Read whole thread.
Those are tuned to the Prada (Fox) are recieving propoganda.
In any role where I am providing leadership or dispensing advice professoinally I simple tell people I am listing to those with credentialed science back ground and those credentialed in Math. Economic models, virus transmisson models, etc. Its not a given the theories come to fruition, but making it political is not useful.
If this turns around we'll blame the government for putting us in a panic. If we don't protect our people we'll blame our government for not being better prepared.
Mostly we are an ignorant reactive culture were we delfect blame then take responsibility.
Nalod wrote:Those are tuned to the Prada (Fox) are recieving propoganda.
In any role where I am providing leadership or dispensing advice professoinally I simple tell people I am listing to those with credentialed science back ground and those credentialed in Math. Economic models, virus transmisson models, etc. Its not a given the theories come to fruition, but making it political is not useful. If this turns around we'll blame the government for putting us in a panic. If we don't protect our people we'll blame our government for not being better prepared.
Mostly we are an ignorant reactive culture were we delfect blame then take responsibility.
What I don't get about this recent bout of propaganda is that before they could get away with it because reality wasn't going to hit for years. In this situation reality is happening NOW and about to get astronomically worse- what the f*** are they going to say in a week, 2 weeks, a month?!
smackeddog wrote:Nalod wrote:Those are tuned to the Prada (Fox) are recieving propoganda.
In any role where I am providing leadership or dispensing advice professoinally I simple tell people I am listing to those with credentialed science back ground and those credentialed in Math. Economic models, virus transmisson models, etc. Its not a given the theories come to fruition, but making it political is not useful. If this turns around we'll blame the government for putting us in a panic. If we don't protect our people we'll blame our government for not being better prepared.
Mostly we are an ignorant reactive culture were we delfect blame then take responsibility.
What I don't get about this recent bout of propaganda is that before they could get away with it because reality wasn't going to hit for years. In this situation reality is happening NOW and about to get astronomically worse- what the f*** are they going to say in a week, 2 weeks, a month?!
Yesterday admin kind of got its act together and this will go on for about another month. No Easterbunny easter resurrection of the economy. 45 is a clown show whose transparency more evident as this is not abstract. This is not a impeachment hoax. Virus is not Trumps fault. Its not "China's Fault". Its happend. Blame is the game and has been winning.
This is happening all around us. Thread
martin wrote:This is happening all around us. Thread
The most astonishing thing about this pandemics is the level of Human Kind complacency and idiotic believe that we are in control of our life and destiny.
We as civilization are less in control of what we have that any times in human history.
We cannot prevent the pandemics, cannot control the natural disasters, cannot control our own birth rate and the distraction we put on the nature all the way to poisoning and warming our planet.
All we do well is developing a new ways to kill each other with ever grater efficiency and in bigger numbers.
And when we get an opportunity to sit back and reflect on what is really important in our life we get psychotic because our favorite toys are taken away and our freedom is reduced.
All this shiny things, all money and power are equally worthless when attack by tiny little invisible creatures.
Why not to just be grateful for what we have in our family, loved once, and beautiful world given to us to experience for a short moment of our lives?
